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RancidTurnip
Profile Joined August 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 12:33:32
April 02 2012 12:32 GMT
#81
My notions are absurd? ... This coming from a guy looking to single out white and black in a gray scale world...

I'm done arguing here.
targ
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Malaysia445 Posts
April 02 2012 12:32 GMT
#82
Maybe one factor to consider is that Sweden has plenty of land and natural resources in comparison to their population, while Korea... not so much.
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DSDSDS
Profile Joined December 2011
Burma18 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 12:35:40
April 02 2012 12:35 GMT
#83
that's a cultural problem
SpeaKEaSY
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1070 Posts
April 02 2012 12:36 GMT
#84
Wow, they're taking the closing of MBCGame pretty hard over in Korea...
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Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 12:42:27
April 02 2012 12:37 GMT
#85
On April 02 2012 21:23 oldgregg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 21:18 TurtleNinja wrote:
On April 02 2012 21:13 oldgregg wrote:
On April 02 2012 21:11 Crushinator wrote:
On April 02 2012 21:10 oldgregg wrote:
On April 02 2012 21:08 RancidTurnip wrote:
On April 02 2012 21:04 oldgregg wrote:
On April 02 2012 20:59 poorcloud wrote:
On April 02 2012 20:56 oldgregg wrote:
On April 02 2012 20:53 RancidTurnip wrote:
[quote]

There are no proven "facts" when it comes to economics, there are merely theories on how the economy should react to certain stimuli.


What so no one can be right and no one can be wrong in economics? So it's just a whole lot of armchair discussioning? That doesn't sound like a very worthwhile subject to me


There can be right and wrong in economics. Economics is just simply a way to describe/theorise about events that happens in real life, like many other subjects. Theories are formed from what actually happens then disproved/proved/built on from there.

In our complex world, there are millions of statistics one can pull to support one's argument. Its hard to tell whose wrong/right sometimes.


How can there be right and wrong when one is dealing with theories and not facts? And I disagree with you about the statistics, as long as tests are carried out scientifically and are peer reviewed then the only thing that the statistics will tell you is the truth. It's bad experimentation that causes bad statistics. By your logic nobody would use statistics because 'You never know, they could be wrong!'


I think you're misunderstanding the word theory.


No I think you are. Theories can't be right or wrong, they are just ideas. If a theory is proven to be right then it ceases to be a theory and becomes a fact


Nope. Wrong.


Haha, care to explain how?

If you understand degrees of certainty than you'd understand that theories have a greater probability of being true than say an unjustified belief. They aren't just ideas.


Nice first post. Ok sure but the basis for your degrees of certainty is based on how many facts support each theory, and the guy I was originally arguing with was saying that there are no facts in economics, just theories. I was just pointing out the absurdity of such a notion


I don't usually like to encourage such incredible intellectual laziness but I'm going to give you a hint: The opposite of fact is not theory. Please try to educate yourself atleast a little bit before you spread such horrible misconceptions. The nature of scientific theories is explained in numerous places on the internet, look it up.
stylz
Profile Joined April 2012
Australia28 Posts
April 02 2012 12:39 GMT
#86
This article annoys me to no end. Classic case of assuming correlation implies causation to suit a polictical/economic ideology. I'd like to point the major fallacy to this guys argument (deregulation screwed south korea), Hungary. Hungary scored lower than South Korea yet has an economic model much closer to what this guy is espousing. Of course this doesn't suit his agenda so it's not even mentioned.

I personally don't like these happiness survey's as happiness is so subjective and almost impossible to measure. The high suicide rate is startling but from a recent documentary I saw it would be much easier explained by the obsession of young people to look like their celebrity k-pop idols, cosmetic plastic surgery is all the rave.
nebula.
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Sweden1431 Posts
April 02 2012 12:48 GMT
#87
On April 02 2012 18:41 Plexa wrote:
Im glad Baezzi isn't around anymore ...


who was he? i googled and only found some articles but too tired to read them through since he writes in korean alot. was he a korean with alot of paranoia towards japanese or am i totally off here?


On April 02 2012 18:22 Ectrid wrote:
And that's why capitalistic systems like this work so good. You don't need any physical pressure like a whip, all you need to do is install a system were people have to life in fear and out of fear they work their asses off.

I call that slavery.


this is actually quite true. don't want to start a debate about that here but obviously this has gone too far (atleast that's how most of us 'westerners' feel about it). can't be healthy in any way.. ( T-T )
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Vinnesta
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Singapore285 Posts
April 02 2012 12:51 GMT
#88
On April 02 2012 21:39 stylz wrote:
This article annoys me to no end. Classic case of assuming correlation implies causation to suit a polictical/economic ideology. I'd like to point the major fallacy to this guys argument (deregulation screwed south korea), Hungary. Hungary scored lower than South Korea yet has an economic model much closer to what this guy is espousing. Of course this doesn't suit his agenda so it's not even mentioned.

I personally don't like these happiness survey's as happiness is so subjective and almost impossible to measure. The high suicide rate is startling but from a recent documentary I saw it would be much easier explained by the obsession of young people to look like their celebrity k-pop idols, cosmetic plastic surgery is all the rave.


Yes, exactly. We have to keep in mind that this is an article from Guardian, a left-leaning publication, that paints a poor light on capitalism and freer markets. The author's point about international companies pushing down investment does not even make sense. It is extremely disappointing that a popular media source such as the Guardian can publish such falsehood.
Same difference is not an oxymoron!
RelZo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hungary397 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 13:05:26
April 02 2012 12:51 GMT
#89
According to a recent World Values Survey, Koreans are the second unhappiest people (after Hungary)...


Meh, why am I not suprised.
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
April 02 2012 12:53 GMT
#90
On April 02 2012 18:41 Plexa wrote:
Im glad Baezzi isn't around anymore ...

Oh god...the main point of the article would have flown way over his head...
Hello
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13241 Posts
April 02 2012 13:04 GMT
#91
On April 02 2012 18:41 Plexa wrote:
Im glad Baezzi isn't around anymore ...


Blame Japan IMO.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
cristo1122
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia505 Posts
April 02 2012 13:06 GMT
#92
mainly 2 things there is a bad northen neigbour that requires large military expenditure to confront, it is not viable to do this and have a welfare state unless u have significantly higher taxes (talking 70-80s) which in turn stunts development vicious cycle..
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SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
April 02 2012 13:20 GMT
#93
On April 02 2012 21:51 RelZo wrote:
Show nested quote +
According to a recent World Values Survey, Koreans are the second unhappiest people (after Hungary)...


Meh, why am I not suprised.


The replies from the hungarians in this thread are golden.
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RavenLoud
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1100 Posts
April 02 2012 13:20 GMT
#94
...making them increase short-term profits by minimising investments. The ability of smaller, unlisted companies to invest was severely curtailed by a dramatic reduction in credit availability. Deregulation allowed banks to rush into more lucrative consumer loan markets, reducing the share of loans to business.

The resulting dramatic fall in investments has led to a substantial fall in economic growth from 6%-7% (in per capita terms) per year to under 4%...


This is the real problem from what I understand. We are now slave to a restrictive and short sighted economic system enamored for immediate profit. Rather than using money as a tool for the people, people are tools for money.

Everything else is just a consequence of this.

This is a mentality/education thing that requires a lot of courage and time to change, not really a matter of welfare state vs. austerity.

Yenticha
Profile Joined July 2010
257 Posts
April 02 2012 13:34 GMT
#95
On April 02 2012 21:51 Vinnesta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 21:39 stylz wrote:
This article annoys me to no end. Classic case of assuming correlation implies causation to suit a polictical/economic ideology. I'd like to point the major fallacy to this guys argument (deregulation screwed south korea), Hungary. Hungary scored lower than South Korea yet has an economic model much closer to what this guy is espousing. Of course this doesn't suit his agenda so it's not even mentioned.

I personally don't like these happiness survey's as happiness is so subjective and almost impossible to measure. The high suicide rate is startling but from a recent documentary I saw it would be much easier explained by the obsession of young people to look like their celebrity k-pop idols, cosmetic plastic surgery is all the rave.


Yes, exactly. We have to keep in mind that this is an article from Guardian, a left-leaning publication, that paints a poor light on capitalism and freer markets. The author's point about international companies pushing down investment does not even make sense. It is extremely disappointing that a popular media source such as the Guardian can publish such falsehood.


hell yeah. The Guardian cares about suicide rates. Damn left wing newspapers, they would write about anything these days...
zdfgucker
Profile Joined August 2011
China594 Posts
April 02 2012 13:37 GMT
#96
I fail to see the problem. You can always go abroad if you visited a good university and can't find an adequate job (safe, well paid, etc) in your country. It may not solve the problem per se, but that seems to be better than being unhappy and borderline suicidal.
fLDm
nebula.
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Sweden1431 Posts
April 02 2012 13:38 GMT
#97

hell yeah. The Guardian cares about suicide rates. Damn left wing newspapers, they would write about anything these days...


and yet this has nothing whatsoever to do with this topic so why even bother posting?
I miss you July ~~~ I was in PonyTales #7 wooho!
white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
April 02 2012 13:44 GMT
#98
It's a cultural and social problem. South korea is really small but packed with people, making society ultra-competitive. You really have to grind your ass in order to get into good schools and get good jobs. The bad side is that people are a lot less happier than they could be because life is so competitive and hectic and because there is tremendous pressure to become "successful". The good side is that this is the reason why south korea is an economic giant and the world leader in shipbuilding, electronics, steel, LCD TV, and of course, gaming. big neighbors like china or russia have that much more natural resources and size of population but they don't even come close in a lot of industries.
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Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
April 02 2012 13:44 GMT
#99
I hope no one's taking the article at face value, because it's so full of judgment values without any shred of supporting evidence it gives me a headache. Bank deregulation and opening the stock market lead to South Korea being one of the unhappiest countries in the world? Then why has nothing of the sort happened with other developed countries which have taken similar steps?

I get the article's main argument: small amounts of welfare benefits have bad consequences for the country as a whole. But without any supporting evidence other than spurious linking to the country's happiness, I call bullshit. You want to claim correlation between the two? Make a graph and list all of the OECD countries, their level of happiness and welfare spending as a percentage of GDP. Even then you wouldn't show causality. Instead, the article relies on feel-good anecdotal evidence, to reach a conclusion... the conclusion being, from a left-leaning UK newspaper, that the UK shouldn't cut welfare spending.

Give me a break.
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Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
April 02 2012 13:46 GMT
#100
On April 02 2012 21:51 RelZo wrote:
Show nested quote +
According to a recent World Values Survey, Koreans are the second unhappiest people (after Hungary)...


Meh, why am I not suprised.

u guys have the best foreigner Sziky, u should be more happy
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