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Too many words, it's really simple. We live our lives in the pursuit of happine$$.
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On April 02 2012 20:53 RancidTurnip wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 20:47 oldgregg wrote:
I just love it how nobody is arguing the facts here. It's all just arguments about theoretical things! Some people will go to such lengths to ignore facts, it's kinda scary There are no proven "facts" when it comes to economics, there are merely theories on how the economy should react to certain stimuli.
What so no one can be right and no one can be wrong in economics? So it's just a whole lot of armchair discussioning? That doesn't sound like a very worthwhile subject to me
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On April 02 2012 20:56 oldgregg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 20:53 RancidTurnip wrote:On April 02 2012 20:47 oldgregg wrote:
I just love it how nobody is arguing the facts here. It's all just arguments about theoretical things! Some people will go to such lengths to ignore facts, it's kinda scary There are no proven "facts" when it comes to economics, there are merely theories on how the economy should react to certain stimuli. What so no one can be right and no one can be wrong in economics? So it's just a whole lot of armchair discussioning? That doesn't sound like a very worthwhile subject to me
There can be right and wrong in economics. Economics is just simply a way to describe/theorise about events that happens in real life, like many other subjects. Theories are formed from what actually happens then disproved/proved/built on from there.
In our complex world, there are millions of statistics one can pull to support one's argument. Its hard to tell whose wrong/right sometimes.
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1. please don't carelessly throw around the term slavery. working a minimum wage job in south korea still gives you a higher standard of living than most of the world. it isn't even close to being a slave.
2. the author is taking south korean unhappiness and applying his or her economic views to be the cause. there are many different angles you can use to explain the unhappiness. one of them is the korean culture's emphasis on superficial things in life.
3. while the author is right that korean capitalistic views are causing income inequality, those same views are the reason south korea has risen in status in an extremely short period. most asian countries view it was a necessary evil to catch up to europe and america before the first world countries enact policies to bring them down.
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On April 02 2012 20:56 oldgregg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 20:53 RancidTurnip wrote:On April 02 2012 20:47 oldgregg wrote:
I just love it how nobody is arguing the facts here. It's all just arguments about theoretical things! Some people will go to such lengths to ignore facts, it's kinda scary There are no proven "facts" when it comes to economics, there are merely theories on how the economy should react to certain stimuli. What so no one can be right and no one can be wrong in economics? So it's just a whole lot of armchair discussioning? That doesn't sound like a very worthwhile subject to me
Nobody can be definitively right, but people can definitely be wrong. Shouldn't the topics with the most difficult answers be discussed the most extensively?
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On April 02 2012 20:59 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 20:56 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 20:53 RancidTurnip wrote:On April 02 2012 20:47 oldgregg wrote:
I just love it how nobody is arguing the facts here. It's all just arguments about theoretical things! Some people will go to such lengths to ignore facts, it's kinda scary There are no proven "facts" when it comes to economics, there are merely theories on how the economy should react to certain stimuli. What so no one can be right and no one can be wrong in economics? So it's just a whole lot of armchair discussioning? That doesn't sound like a very worthwhile subject to me There can be right and wrong in economics. Economics is just simply a way to describe/theorise about events that happens in real life, like many other subjects. Theories are formed from what actually happens then disproved/proved/built on from there. In our complex world, there are millions of statistics one can pull to support one's argument. Its hard to tell whose wrong/right sometimes.
How can there be right and wrong when one is dealing with theories and not facts? And I disagree with you about the statistics, as long as tests are carried out scientifically and are peer reviewed then the only thing that the statistics will tell you is the truth. It's bad experimentation that causes bad statistics. By your logic nobody would use statistics because 'You never know, they could be wrong!'
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I would be happy if i lived in South-Korea. Would gladly live there for a couple of years. Would help to know the language first ofcourse. ^^
I don't really know if you can rate wich countries are the "most happy" or "most unhappy". Seems a bit silly honestly.
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According to a recent World Values Survey, Koreans are the second unhappiest people (after Hungary) among the citizens of the 32 OECD countries studied.
This makes me so happy. ^.^
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On April 02 2012 21:04 oldgregg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 20:59 poorcloud wrote:On April 02 2012 20:56 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 20:53 RancidTurnip wrote:On April 02 2012 20:47 oldgregg wrote:
I just love it how nobody is arguing the facts here. It's all just arguments about theoretical things! Some people will go to such lengths to ignore facts, it's kinda scary There are no proven "facts" when it comes to economics, there are merely theories on how the economy should react to certain stimuli. What so no one can be right and no one can be wrong in economics? So it's just a whole lot of armchair discussioning? That doesn't sound like a very worthwhile subject to me There can be right and wrong in economics. Economics is just simply a way to describe/theorise about events that happens in real life, like many other subjects. Theories are formed from what actually happens then disproved/proved/built on from there. In our complex world, there are millions of statistics one can pull to support one's argument. Its hard to tell whose wrong/right sometimes. How can there be right and wrong when one is dealing with theories and not facts? And I disagree with you about the statistics, as long as tests are carried out scientifically and are peer reviewed then the only thing that the statistics will tell you is the truth. It's bad experimentation that causes bad statistics. By your logic nobody would use statistics because 'You never know, they could be wrong!'
I think you're misunderstanding the word theory.
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On April 02 2012 21:04 oldgregg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 20:59 poorcloud wrote:On April 02 2012 20:56 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 20:53 RancidTurnip wrote:On April 02 2012 20:47 oldgregg wrote:
I just love it how nobody is arguing the facts here. It's all just arguments about theoretical things! Some people will go to such lengths to ignore facts, it's kinda scary There are no proven "facts" when it comes to economics, there are merely theories on how the economy should react to certain stimuli. What so no one can be right and no one can be wrong in economics? So it's just a whole lot of armchair discussioning? That doesn't sound like a very worthwhile subject to me There can be right and wrong in economics. Economics is just simply a way to describe/theorise about events that happens in real life, like many other subjects. Theories are formed from what actually happens then disproved/proved/built on from there. In our complex world, there are millions of statistics one can pull to support one's argument. Its hard to tell whose wrong/right sometimes. How can there be right and wrong when one is dealing with theories and not facts? And I disagree with you about the statistics, as long as tests are carried out scientifically and are peer reviewed then the only thing that the statistics will tell you is the truth. It's bad experimentation that causes bad statistics. By your logic nobody would use statistics because 'You never know, they could be wrong!'
First of all you seem to lack a fundamental understanding of what a theory is in science. Second, statistics always come with a degree of uncertainty, no exceptions, denial of this fact is incredibly stupid.
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On April 02 2012 21:08 RancidTurnip wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 21:04 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 20:59 poorcloud wrote:On April 02 2012 20:56 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 20:53 RancidTurnip wrote:On April 02 2012 20:47 oldgregg wrote:
I just love it how nobody is arguing the facts here. It's all just arguments about theoretical things! Some people will go to such lengths to ignore facts, it's kinda scary There are no proven "facts" when it comes to economics, there are merely theories on how the economy should react to certain stimuli. What so no one can be right and no one can be wrong in economics? So it's just a whole lot of armchair discussioning? That doesn't sound like a very worthwhile subject to me There can be right and wrong in economics. Economics is just simply a way to describe/theorise about events that happens in real life, like many other subjects. Theories are formed from what actually happens then disproved/proved/built on from there. In our complex world, there are millions of statistics one can pull to support one's argument. Its hard to tell whose wrong/right sometimes. How can there be right and wrong when one is dealing with theories and not facts? And I disagree with you about the statistics, as long as tests are carried out scientifically and are peer reviewed then the only thing that the statistics will tell you is the truth. It's bad experimentation that causes bad statistics. By your logic nobody would use statistics because 'You never know, they could be wrong!' I think you're misunderstanding the word theory.
No I think you are. Theories can't be right or wrong, they are just ideas. If a theory is proven to be right then it ceases to be a theory and becomes a fact
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On April 02 2012 21:10 oldgregg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 21:08 RancidTurnip wrote:On April 02 2012 21:04 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 20:59 poorcloud wrote:On April 02 2012 20:56 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 20:53 RancidTurnip wrote:On April 02 2012 20:47 oldgregg wrote:
I just love it how nobody is arguing the facts here. It's all just arguments about theoretical things! Some people will go to such lengths to ignore facts, it's kinda scary There are no proven "facts" when it comes to economics, there are merely theories on how the economy should react to certain stimuli. What so no one can be right and no one can be wrong in economics? So it's just a whole lot of armchair discussioning? That doesn't sound like a very worthwhile subject to me There can be right and wrong in economics. Economics is just simply a way to describe/theorise about events that happens in real life, like many other subjects. Theories are formed from what actually happens then disproved/proved/built on from there. In our complex world, there are millions of statistics one can pull to support one's argument. Its hard to tell whose wrong/right sometimes. How can there be right and wrong when one is dealing with theories and not facts? And I disagree with you about the statistics, as long as tests are carried out scientifically and are peer reviewed then the only thing that the statistics will tell you is the truth. It's bad experimentation that causes bad statistics. By your logic nobody would use statistics because 'You never know, they could be wrong!' I think you're misunderstanding the word theory. No I think you are. Theories can't be right or wrong, they are just ideas. If a theory is proven to be right then it ceases to be a theory and becomes a fact
Nope. Wrong.
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On April 02 2012 21:11 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 21:10 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 21:08 RancidTurnip wrote:On April 02 2012 21:04 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 20:59 poorcloud wrote:On April 02 2012 20:56 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 20:53 RancidTurnip wrote:On April 02 2012 20:47 oldgregg wrote:
I just love it how nobody is arguing the facts here. It's all just arguments about theoretical things! Some people will go to such lengths to ignore facts, it's kinda scary There are no proven "facts" when it comes to economics, there are merely theories on how the economy should react to certain stimuli. What so no one can be right and no one can be wrong in economics? So it's just a whole lot of armchair discussioning? That doesn't sound like a very worthwhile subject to me There can be right and wrong in economics. Economics is just simply a way to describe/theorise about events that happens in real life, like many other subjects. Theories are formed from what actually happens then disproved/proved/built on from there. In our complex world, there are millions of statistics one can pull to support one's argument. Its hard to tell whose wrong/right sometimes. How can there be right and wrong when one is dealing with theories and not facts? And I disagree with you about the statistics, as long as tests are carried out scientifically and are peer reviewed then the only thing that the statistics will tell you is the truth. It's bad experimentation that causes bad statistics. By your logic nobody would use statistics because 'You never know, they could be wrong!' I think you're misunderstanding the word theory. No I think you are. Theories can't be right or wrong, they are just ideas. If a theory is proven to be right then it ceases to be a theory and becomes a fact Nope. Wrong.
Haha, care to explain how?
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nice article but the conclusions drawn are a bit off. Children dont study hard because the employment market is hard, they do it because: a) it's a cultural thing, b) their parents drive them to. And though both can be shown to be influenced by the employment market the connection is too weak to be taken as a major contributor. The whole mess is up because the suicide rate increased, which is thought to show the unhappiness ratio. It only shows that some few people become extremely unhappy but tells little of the overall nation happiness.
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On April 02 2012 21:13 oldgregg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 21:11 Crushinator wrote:On April 02 2012 21:10 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 21:08 RancidTurnip wrote:On April 02 2012 21:04 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 20:59 poorcloud wrote:On April 02 2012 20:56 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 20:53 RancidTurnip wrote:On April 02 2012 20:47 oldgregg wrote:
I just love it how nobody is arguing the facts here. It's all just arguments about theoretical things! Some people will go to such lengths to ignore facts, it's kinda scary There are no proven "facts" when it comes to economics, there are merely theories on how the economy should react to certain stimuli. What so no one can be right and no one can be wrong in economics? So it's just a whole lot of armchair discussioning? That doesn't sound like a very worthwhile subject to me There can be right and wrong in economics. Economics is just simply a way to describe/theorise about events that happens in real life, like many other subjects. Theories are formed from what actually happens then disproved/proved/built on from there. In our complex world, there are millions of statistics one can pull to support one's argument. Its hard to tell whose wrong/right sometimes. How can there be right and wrong when one is dealing with theories and not facts? And I disagree with you about the statistics, as long as tests are carried out scientifically and are peer reviewed then the only thing that the statistics will tell you is the truth. It's bad experimentation that causes bad statistics. By your logic nobody would use statistics because 'You never know, they could be wrong!' I think you're misunderstanding the word theory. No I think you are. Theories can't be right or wrong, they are just ideas. If a theory is proven to be right then it ceases to be a theory and becomes a fact Nope. Wrong. Haha, care to explain how?
If you understand degrees of certainty than you'd understand that theories have a greater probability of being true than say an unjustified belief. They aren't just ideas.
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On April 02 2012 21:17 Cheerio wrote:
nice article but the conclusions drawn are a bit off. Children dont study hard because the employment market is hard, they do it because: a) it's a cultural thing, b) their parents drive them to. And though both can be shown to be influenced by the employment market the connection is too weak to be taken as a major contributor. The whole mess is up because the suicide rate increased, which is thought to show the unhappiness ratio. It only shows that some few people become extremely unhappy but tells little of the overall nation happiness.
... You forgot to ask the most important question of A) why is it a cultural thing? and B) Why do their parents drive them to? If you ask those questions you'd see that it is about the employment market. How do i know this? I teach middle school and high school students in Korea. i talk to the parents as well as the korean teachers there.
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On April 02 2012 19:55 opisska wrote:
Oh my god, these "slavery" arguments are so bad, how comes that people buy them over and over?
The only source of unhappiness is desire. People are unhappy, because they believe (either becuase they are weak enough to have this belief installed, on stupid enough to create it on their own) that they need X, Y and Z to be happy and if they do not have that, they are unhappy. I can hardly cooment on Korea, with no knowledge on the actual situation over there, but the same kind of complaints is heard everywhere in the developed world, including my country. Everybody is crying, because they are now so "poor", the "crisis" is so "bad" that they cannot afford to have their own house, two cars and spend $2000 a month on nonsense.
People just want too much for too little and that is the dowfall of our society. If you stop wasting you money on whatever is hip, stop thinking that if you see someone having something shiny, you need it as well, you will quickly realise that you are so, so very happy to live in this "capitalistic slavery", when compared to many other places on the Earth.
The nail in the coffin is the general inability of people to save money (crowned by the monumental idiocy of byuing stuff on loans). I do not need a bloody job security to be happy, I have saved enough money to live for several years if I happen to not have a job - and I am STILL a student, never had a full-time job in my life! Most of the people in Europe could probably put aside half of their income and still do not suffer from anything gruesome. Oh, wait, but they couldn't have a new car every two years, if they did that, could they?
The whole "social welfare" is just taking money from succesfull and hard working people to cater for the masss of idiots who cannot take care of themselves, yet they cannot withstand to look at others who have better stuff. The state should take care of the seriously ill and the seriously disabled (becuase - aside of, say, hard smokers with cancer - are just unlucky and not responsible for not being able to look after themselves) and that is about it. Anyhing else is just immoral.
You are not enslaved by the capitalism. If you are enslaved, it is only by your stupidity. Learn to live with that or shut up.
You don't have kids, I wager?
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On April 02 2012 21:18 TurtleNinja wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 21:13 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 21:11 Crushinator wrote:On April 02 2012 21:10 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 21:08 RancidTurnip wrote:On April 02 2012 21:04 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 20:59 poorcloud wrote:On April 02 2012 20:56 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 20:53 RancidTurnip wrote:On April 02 2012 20:47 oldgregg wrote:
I just love it how nobody is arguing the facts here. It's all just arguments about theoretical things! Some people will go to such lengths to ignore facts, it's kinda scary There are no proven "facts" when it comes to economics, there are merely theories on how the economy should react to certain stimuli. What so no one can be right and no one can be wrong in economics? So it's just a whole lot of armchair discussioning? That doesn't sound like a very worthwhile subject to me There can be right and wrong in economics. Economics is just simply a way to describe/theorise about events that happens in real life, like many other subjects. Theories are formed from what actually happens then disproved/proved/built on from there. In our complex world, there are millions of statistics one can pull to support one's argument. Its hard to tell whose wrong/right sometimes. How can there be right and wrong when one is dealing with theories and not facts? And I disagree with you about the statistics, as long as tests are carried out scientifically and are peer reviewed then the only thing that the statistics will tell you is the truth. It's bad experimentation that causes bad statistics. By your logic nobody would use statistics because 'You never know, they could be wrong!' I think you're misunderstanding the word theory. No I think you are. Theories can't be right or wrong, they are just ideas. If a theory is proven to be right then it ceases to be a theory and becomes a fact Nope. Wrong. Haha, care to explain how? If you understand degrees of certainty than you'd understand that theories have a greater probability of being true than say an unjustified belief. They aren't just ideas.
Nice first post. Ok sure but the basis for your degrees of certainty is based on how many facts support each theory, and the guy I was originally arguing with was saying that there are no facts in economics, just theories. I was just pointing out the absurdity of such a notion
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On April 02 2012 21:23 oldgregg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 21:18 TurtleNinja wrote:On April 02 2012 21:13 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 21:11 Crushinator wrote:On April 02 2012 21:10 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 21:08 RancidTurnip wrote:On April 02 2012 21:04 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 20:59 poorcloud wrote:On April 02 2012 20:56 oldgregg wrote:On April 02 2012 20:53 RancidTurnip wrote:
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There are no proven "facts" when it comes to economics, there are merely theories on how the economy should react to certain stimuli. What so no one can be right and no one can be wrong in economics? So it's just a whole lot of armchair discussioning? That doesn't sound like a very worthwhile subject to me There can be right and wrong in economics. Economics is just simply a way to describe/theorise about events that happens in real life, like many other subjects. Theories are formed from what actually happens then disproved/proved/built on from there. In our complex world, there are millions of statistics one can pull to support one's argument. Its hard to tell whose wrong/right sometimes. How can there be right and wrong when one is dealing with theories and not facts? And I disagree with you about the statistics, as long as tests are carried out scientifically and are peer reviewed then the only thing that the statistics will tell you is the truth. It's bad experimentation that causes bad statistics. By your logic nobody would use statistics because 'You never know, they could be wrong!' I think you're misunderstanding the word theory. No I think you are. Theories can't be right or wrong, they are just ideas. If a theory is proven to be right then it ceases to be a theory and becomes a fact Nope. Wrong. Haha, care to explain how? If you understand degrees of certainty than you'd understand that theories have a greater probability of being true than say an unjustified belief. They aren't just ideas. Nice first post. Ok sure but the basis for your degrees of certainty is based on how many facts support each theory, and the guy I was originally arguing with was saying that there are no facts in economics, just theories. I was just pointing out the absurdity of such a notion
I mean, would you go on to name some facts? I've been trying to think of some, but I'm pretty convinced that Economics is really just all theory. (i.e "true beyond a reasonable doubt" is what I was taught)
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thats why koreans work so hard in starcraft they are used to it
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