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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
And it gives a nice bit of background into the culture in which young Korean people grow up, so I thought it might of interest on TL. It makes the decision to become a pro-gamer look even more risky than it first appears. Actually, I think that can partly explain why Koreans are more willing to give up their youths to become progamers. If you don't have much to look forward to then why not give progaming a shot? Quite the interesting article. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
Korea is the perfect case of rich getting richer (no wonder people are unhappy). The government does very little to protect small businesses that have the potential to grow. The end result is that these businesses stay stagnant instead of being invested and expanding further. Any surplus that these shop owners make, instead, goes to the real state (if not savings account) due to the heavy involvement of the Korean government in the land development (this is a whole another topic). There is a general feeling in the population that if they are experiencing a problem, there is nothing that can be done to fix it. For example, the big issue here recently is the schoo violence by so called "bullies" (however, these aren't just normal bullies like Nelson from Simpsons; these are actual gangs members). There have been several students who commited suicides over this. | ||
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kevinthemighty
United States134 Posts
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ecstatica
United States542 Posts
On April 03 2012 09:17 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Yes, I remember when you "called me out" (if calling someone out means immaturely slandering them), and I completely shut you down and you slinked back into the hole you crawled out of. I guess you're still asshurt. Get over it. As far as being a racist fuck? HAHAHA!! No idea how it's racist to say shit's tough in Lithuania. That's a fact. Thanks for trolling kthxbai. Don't pull shit out of your ass, grow up, kid, and stop the slander. Slimy and elusive? What the heck? XD I think I'm pretty damn straight-forward hahaha. Oh god, people like you are seriously off their rocker. "I don't like this guy's post despite it being true so I'll flame him to make my non-existent esteem better". So let me guess, Lithuania is a fucking utopia to live in, best country in the world, etc. That's what you're saying? HAHA! Come on kid, make me laugh some more XD. If all you're doing is looking at a GDP figure (which isn't very good anyways), then you have no case at all. When you've known people who've lived in Lithuania, when you've known people who have worked there, when you've read about it, etc., then come talk to me. It isn't a great place to live in comparing to many other developed countries.  It's not something I like, especially because I love slavic folks, but it's the way it is .And if you're curious, yes, the suicide rate actually rose dramatically with the USSR's collapse, reaching as high as 46 per 100,000 during the mid-late 1990s, so the fact that you're denying statistical information shows how desperate you are to dig yourself out of that deep trench you fell into the last time you aggressively attacked me. Like with Russia (and other former Soviet countries), the 1990s was really, really tough economically and politically. Life got tougher. The economy basically nosedived and it was pretty chaotic. Crime and alcoholism and other things were on the rise bigtime. You had a hugely rising business oligarchic group in many of these former republics eating up a lot of the wealth while everyone else got shit on much worse than during the Soviet period. As previously mentioned, as a result of everything going shitty, suicides went way up. The suicide rate has come down somewhat by now, but obviously Lithuania is still on top of the world when it comes to that sort of thing. Since the turn of the millennium, things have been improving but it's still a long way to go. But yes, it is tougher social conditions, poverty, and other things in Lithuania that's basically caused the suicide rate to be that high during the 90s, and having the world's highest even to this day. If life was fine and dandy there, the suicide rate wouldn't be so high. Put it this way, if the US economy crashed, as in several times worse than the Great Depression, and things didn't even start getting better for a decade, I dare you to honestly tell me things would be so rosy lol. Sucks to have your ass handed to you again, doesn't it? Don't pick fights you can't win. Word of advice: Listen to some Metallica, preferably something from the Ride the Lightning or Master of Puppets albums (my faves), and chill out bro.  \m/>_<\m/I'm not going to argue with a demented person that pisses all over himself every time he gets called out on the ridiculous incomprehensive shit that he posts. I'll just point a few things out and hope to never read your filth again. Lithuanians make more on average or are at least on par with every other former soviet republic. If you actually went to Russia and then to Lithuania you would be shocked by a contrast. Lithuania does actually look like Europe. I know you "read a lot and know peepz" but I assure you - it is exactly the way I said it. How do I know? I lived in the region for 19 years and went to Lithuania multiple times. It might shock you but lithuanians are not slavs. The conversation should be over after that statement really. The only slavs that live there are ethnic russians. But I'm sure you know all of this. You attributed suicides to the collapse of communist governments but in fact no one even tries to claim this with any degree of certainty, especially since Hungary posted steadily decreasing suicide rates since the collapse. The number you provided for mid 1990s makes zero sense in this regard since Lithuania was doing a lot better economically back then compared to recently. And you also have every other soviet republic with worse economy yet lower suicide rates. Doesn't really compute. Throw Switzerland, Japan and SK in the mix. Even Finland is high on the list. Explain that purely through economics and youre a genius. Thanks for your shitty attempt at a history lesson - even as someone who lived there through all those years I wouldn't have said anything if it was remotely accurate (not even hard nowadays given wikipedia and google) but you couldn't even do that. You know what I meant by calling you out on being a racist, just like I did previously. Don't pretend to be an idiot, you don't even have to ffs. Go type up another adventure story about you hooking up with "oriental" girls of korean origin lmao. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
Edit: Oh shi- read the title wrong. | ||
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jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
On April 03 2012 12:01 kevinthemighty wrote: The real question is what Asian country IS happy? Lol, the fact that I had to think about that question made me smirk... I'm not too sure .. sadly.. =( | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On April 03 2012 12:11 jjun212 wrote: Lol, the fact that I had to think about that question made me smirk... I'm not too sure .. sadly.. =( I would love to live in Russia actually. Despite the publicity on Putin that he is reshaping the country back to its Soviet root, I still think highly of his charisma and the fact that he is constantly improving the living condition of the citizen. Plus Russian woman gloat an aura of lady-like quality that the North American city girls lack. In Canada, as for now all we got are spoiled brats. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On April 03 2012 12:11 jjun212 wrote: Lol, the fact that I had to think about that question made me smirk... I'm not too sure .. sadly.. =( Brueni has the fifth highest GDP per capita of any country in the world and seems like an excellent place to live from all reports. ....their population is only 400k though >.< edit: Uh-oh, apparentely their government limits any real opposing points of view by the media. Crap | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
*EDIT* Oh yeah and one of my wife's close friends killed them self by slitting her wrist. So yeah the suicide rate is definitely up there. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10342 Posts
On April 02 2012 19:53 goldenwitch wrote: Clearly an economist finds non-cultural reasons for unhappiness. If it's a free market that is making koreans unhappy, why is the rest of the western world which is also on a free market not unhappy?. Other than the fact that no market is truly free, please show me your source that other "first world nations" or western nations are "happy," however it is arbitrarily defined (in America media articles, I notice a strong emphasis over GDP per capita over much else. Surprise! That's what we're told to value here). | ||
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Spieltor
327 Posts
On April 02 2012 18:22 Ectrid wrote: And that's why capitalistic systems like this work so good. You don't need any physical pressure like a whip, all you need to do is install a system were people have to life in fear and out of fear they work their asses off. I call that slavery. I agree with that, in fact there's a video called "the paradox of choice" which shows that happiness is inversely proportional to how much freedom you have, or at least, how much freedom you believe you have. One more reason Fate or Religions are so enticing to people. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
the true reason lies within the strict and conformist culture we have and how it pervades into our politics, economics, and social structure. but to be honest...Korea is like the BEST place for sad folks. Seriously, you can drink the night away, eat mind blowing good food, club hopping, karaoke with friends, more drinking, smoking (beware of doing drugs in korea, it can get fked up for you  ) and of course PC BANG! so much to do folks. so if u are depressed go there and have wicked fun. | ||
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Sephy90
United States1785 Posts
On April 03 2012 13:12 Golgotha wrote: north korea is not why we are sad. the true reason lies within the strict and conformist culture we have and how it pervades into our politics, economics, and social structure. but to be honest...Korea is like the BEST place for sad folks. Seriously, you can drink the night away, eat mind blowing good food, club hopping, karaoke with friends, more drinking, smoking (beware of doing drugs in korea, it can get fked up for you ) and of course PC BANG! so much to do folks. so if u are depressed go there and have wicked fun. Well at least there are temporary things like this in Korea that helps when people are so unhappy | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
On April 03 2012 13:12 Golgotha wrote: north korea is not why we are sad. the true reason lies within the strict and conformist culture we have and how it pervades into our politics, economics, and social structure. but to be honest...Korea is like the BEST place for sad folks. Seriously, you can drink the night away, eat mind blowing good food, club hopping, karaoke with friends, more drinking, smoking (beware of doing drugs in korea, it can get fked up for you ) and of course PC BANG! so much to do folks. so if u are depressed go there and have wicked fun. I'm pretty sure a depressed alcoholic can find a bar / restaurant in any country. EDIT: You seem to assume that these people are sad and still have money for partying. Part of their sadness may be the failure of their ambitions has lead them to a state of financial disparity. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On April 03 2012 12:04 ecstatica wrote: I'm not going to argue with a demented person that pisses all over himself every time he gets called out on the ridiculous incomprehensive shit that he posts. I'll just point a few things out and hope to never read your filth again. Lithuanians make more on average or are at least on par with every other former soviet republic. If you actually went to Russia and then to Lithuania you would be shocked by a contrast. Lithuania does actually look like Europe. I know you "read a lot and know peepz" but I assure you - it is exactly the way I said it. How do I know? I lived in the region for 19 years and went to Lithuania multiple times. It might shock you but lithuanians are not slavs. The conversation should be over after that statement really. The only slavs that live there are ethnic russians. But I'm sure you know all of this. You attributed suicides to the collapse of communist governments but in fact no one even tries to claim this with any degree of certainty, especially since Hungary posted steadily decreasing suicide rates since the collapse. The number you provided for mid 1990s makes zero sense in this regard since Lithuania was doing a lot better economically back then compared to recently. And you also have every other soviet republic with worse economy yet lower suicide rates. Doesn't really compute. Throw Switzerland, Japan and SK in the mix. Even Finland is high on the list. Explain that purely through economics and youre a genius. Thanks for your shitty attempt at a history lesson - even as someone who lived there through all those years I wouldn't have said anything if it was remotely accurate (not even hard nowadays given wikipedia and google) but you couldn't even do that. You know what I meant by calling you out on being a racist, just like I did previously. Don't pretend to be an idiot, you don't even have to ffs. Go type up another adventure story about you hooking up with "oriental" girls of korean origin lmao. Someone sounds jealous  . Also, all I said was that I've dated Asian girls, and other things, when I was attacked and accused of not liking Asians, by you I think it was, because I said kpop culture can sometimes be lolwtf. I didn't know a simple statement was writing adventure stories, but if you interpreted it that way, then whatever. In any case, I'm sorry I even mentioned it in the first place. It seems to have made you particularly angry XD! No wonder why you're so messed up and aggressive with me. I guess there was something else making you mad besides the fact I've thrown you in a bottomless pit two out of two times you've aggressively attacked me  . I was just talking about Lithuania, not anywhere else btw. Since you had absolutely nothing to counter my point, you wrote a wall of text just to prove what a tryhard you are. . Oh boy, I love good entertainment. I won't lie. I also love the fact that I've said nothing racist and yet you're still raging like a dim-witted, mad drunk slandering me and calling me racist with no basis at all. Yeah, apparently it's racist to say the 1990s were a really shitty time in Lithuania. And let me guess, you would also say that it's racist to eat sushi and not be Japanese. LOL! Someone is seriously asshurt XD. You're so asshurt you're not even making sense .Btw, if apparently the US sucks so bad since we're referring to our conversation in that other thread now, why did you move from "Europe"? For your information, Europe isn't a country. Usually when you say you moved from somewhere, you say the country or state/province or city, not the continent. I guess you think Europe is a country though? LOL! That said, some Swedish dude already called you out on your bullshit in one of your posts (surprised not all of them), so it's all good. I'll just assume you're some 12 year-old kid and leave it at that. I'm actually looking at it optimistically, because no one in their late teens or 20s or older can possibly be as idiotic as you're acting right now without having some serious mental issue. I seriously suggest you chill out. Drink a bit of scotch, watch a movie, and go to bed. No use in being angry because someone shut down your silly slandering and attacks. Judging by your behavior, you probably go batshit insane raging when you lose a game in SC. That's not good, dude. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On April 03 2012 13:20 dUTtrOACh wrote: I'm pretty sure a depressed alcoholic can find a bar / restaurant in any country. EDIT: You seem to assume that these people are sad and still have money for partying. Part of their sadness may be the failure of their ambitions has lead them to a state of financial disparity. ah no, this is not what I meant. indeed, the statistics show that this "sadness" cannot be simply remedied with simple pleasures. however, I would like to point out that certain pleasures in korea are easier to find, cheaper and more accessible (everything can be found within a short walk in Seoul). but again you are right that their sadness can have deeper and multiple issues that cannot be easily fixed. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10342 Posts
On April 03 2012 13:22 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Someone sounds jealous . Also, all I said was that I've dated Asian girls when I was attacked for not liking Asians, by you I think it was, because I said kpop culture can sometimes be lolwtf. I didn't know a simple statement was writing adventure stories, but if you interpreted it that way, then whatever. In any case, I'm sorry I even mentioned I've dated Asian girls. It seems to have made you particularly angry XD! No wonder why you're so messed up and aggressive with me. I guess there was something else making you mad besides the fact I've thrown you in a bottomless pit two out of two times you've aggressively attacked me . I was just talking about Lithuania, not anywhere else btw. Since you had absolutely nothing to counter my point, you wrote a wall of text just to prove what a tryhard failure you are. XD. Oh boy, I love good entertainment. I won't lie. I also love the fact that I've said nothing racist and yet you're still raging like a dim-witted, mad drunk slandering me and calling me racist with no basis at all. Yeah, apparently it's racist to say the 1990s were a really shitty time in Lithuania. And let me guess, you would also say that it's racist to eat sushi and not be Japanese. LOL! Someone is seriously asshurt XD. You're so asshurt you're not even making sense .Btw, if apparently the US sucks so bad since we're referring to our first conversation now, why did you move from "Europe"? For your information, Europe isn't a country. Usually when you say you moved from somewhere, you say the country or state/province or city, not the continent. I guess you think Europe is a country though? LOL! That said, some Swedish dude already called you out on your bullshit in one of your posts (surprised not all of them), so it's all good. I'll just assume you're some 12 year-old kid and leave it at that. I'm actually looking at it optimistically, because no one in their late teens or 20s or older can possibly be as idiotic as you're acting like now without having some serious mental issue. I seriously suggest you chill out. Judging by your behavior, you probably go batshit insane raging when you lose a game in SC. That's not good, dude. My opinion of this squabble is that you are very condescending and you should have quit while you were ahead several posts ago. | ||
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Akta
447 Posts
On April 03 2012 13:05 Spieltor wrote: There are many studies on choice, was thinking of bringing it up in a previous post to illustrate the complexity of so called happiness. I agree with that, in fact there's a video called "the paradox of choice" which shows that happiness is inversely proportional to how much freedom you have, or at least, how much freedom you believe you have. One more reason Fate or Religions are so enticing to people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO6XEQIsCoM&feature=relmfu Can add another we tend to relate to happiness, income. Don't remember the study without looking it up(think it was on 300.000 Americans, perhaps someone knows what study that is)but a professor basically said that according to the study there is a very strong correlation between low income and unhappiness, unlike the correlation between high income and happiness. Happiness isn't a simple as most people might think. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On April 03 2012 13:38 MountainDewJunkie wrote: My opinion of this squabble is that you are very condescending and you should have quit while you were ahead several posts ago. The post to which you replied is my third post in this thread. Several back would be in the negative. :s Anyways, you know what they say. "When you're ahead, get more ahead." However, my main interest is in how entertaining this guy is. I missed Funday Monday, but this is almost as good. I can't say I'm that condescending, though. Putting a flaming, aggressive kid in his place after attacking me isn't condescending. I admit my tone came across that way given what I'm dealing with, but this guy's been terribly entertaining. I have suggested twice for him to chill out. Let's see if he keeps on going . I don't expect him to, and I'd sincerely like him to chill the fuck out, but she's got some serious beef with me. I mean, he attacked me once again when the last ordeal was a few weeks ago. He holds quite a grudge . I guess shutting him down hurt him deep last time. Tbh, I have no ire against him because I'm a chill guy and forgive and forget, but this guy's hating.+ Show Spoiler + Now I'm not saying I'm perfect (far from it), but to call me very condescending is imo quite baseless, and makes me scratch my head a bit. You know, including kinda awkward people in on things despite getting questioning from my friends on why the heck I brought them along isn't condescending.. Helping druggies/depressives/etc. I've known turn their life around when practically everyone gave up on them isn't condescending. Helping Bronze players improve their skills and see what they need to be working on isn't condescending. Volunteering at homeless shelters helping people who have it worse than anyone isn't that sort of thing. And yes I fucking care about all these sorts of people, or else I wouldn't have bothered. And trust me, I didn't get anything in return for having done any of it. I could go on all night, but if you're claiming that I'm "very condescending" because I got some 5-star entertainment value out of hard-countering a guy who is attacking me for no rational reason at all, then I'd suggest you rethink that claim .On April 03 2012 13:12 Golgotha wrote: north korea is not why we are sad. the true reason lies within the strict and conformist culture we have and how it pervades into our politics, economics, and social structure. but to be honest...Korea is like the BEST place for sad folks. Seriously, you can drink the night away, eat mind blowing good food, club hopping, karaoke with friends, more drinking, smoking (beware of doing drugs in korea, it can get fked up for you ) and of course PC BANG! so much to do folks. so if u are depressed go there and have wicked fun. Sounds pretty cool, but America's Finest City is sick too. I gotta say, as far as drinking the night away goes, soju is pretty fucking awesome. During my spring break, I bought some Jinro, drank it, and hit parties/clubs and it was a hell of a lot of fun. I'd say I like soju almost as much as vodka as far as taste and strength go, and how much more awesome and fun parties get. Thank you Koreans for soju .Ehh, here's to wishing there's less conformism in Korean society. Loosening up a bit and promoting more individuality tends to make people happier. On April 03 2012 12:24 Xiphos wrote: I would love to live in Russia actually. Despite the publicity on Putin that he is reshaping the country back to its Soviet root, I still think highly of his charisma and the fact that he is constantly improving the living condition of the citizen. Plus Russian woman gloat an aura of lady-like quality that the North American city girls lack. In Canada, as for now all we got are spoiled brats. No, you do not want to live in Russia. I agree, at least in my opinion, that Russia would be an awesome place to visit and tour and I'm a bit of a Russophile, and I agree about the part about the govt. improving the economy and living conditions and stuff, but it's not like it's great today to live in. It still has a long way to go. When you've met some Russian immigrants who defend the country to the hilt and will still tell you it's not great living there, yeah.. you tend to not want to live there a whole lot. I've also had a couple relatives work there on long-term business assignments. Comparing to other countries in Europe they've worked in, it didn't rank too well. :s I know I like Russia a bit, maybe you like Russia, but fact of the matter is that it's probably better for you to stay in Canada than going and living in Russia. I mean I really wish it improves dramatically like in the next decade or so, but as it stands now, I can't help but question why you would want to live there. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On April 03 2012 12:24 Xiphos wrote: I would love to live in Russia actually. Despite the publicity on Putin that he is reshaping the country back to its Soviet root, I still think highly of his charisma and the fact that he is constantly improving the living condition of the citizen. Plus Russian woman gloat an aura of lady-like quality that the North American city girls lack. In Canada, as for now all we got are spoiled brats. LOL. Thanks, needed a good laugh. | ||
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