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On April 03 2012 14:00 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 13:38 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On April 03 2012 13:22 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 12:04 ecstatica wrote:On April 03 2012 09:17 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 02:50 ecstatica wrote:On April 03 2012 01:13 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 00:28 Azarkon wrote:
For those looking for Asian culture reasons to the suicide rate - mind explaining why Lithuania has a higher suicide rate than South Korea?
Once upon a time, the Soviet Union collapsed, leading into heavy economic depression, chaos, and societal problems in the former Soviet states. Lithuania, to say the least, has many, many issues. It comes as no surprise there would be a high suicide rate. There's of course many reasons for the high suicide rate in Korea. I'll add a minor possible reason, in that the kpop culture sorta influences guys to be pretty... effeminate. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing, but having thin skin like that for a guy can make you not as able to bear stressful things. Lithuania doing great compared to former soviet republics. That is absolutely the opposite of what you wrote. I would also like you to list "many issues" that Lithuania has derived directly from the downfall of USSR. Real curious here! I called you out on posting bs previously, you also need to stop being a racist fuck and taking stabs at asians, or "orientals" as you call them. This is not the first time for you, you're always kind of slimy and elusive by not being direct but it is still pretty obvious. Yes, I remember when you "called me out" (if calling someone out means immaturely slandering them), and I completely shut you down and you slinked back into the hole you crawled out of. I guess you're still asshurt. Get over it. As far as being a racist fuck? HAHAHA!! No idea how it's racist to say shit's tough in Lithuania. That's a fact. Thanks for trolling kthxbai. Don't pull shit out of your ass, grow up, kid, and stop the slander. Slimy and elusive? What the heck? XD I think I'm pretty damn straight-forward hahaha. Oh god, people like you are seriously off their rocker. "I don't like this guy's post despite it being true so I'll flame him to make my non-existent esteem better". So let me guess, Lithuania is a fucking utopia to live in, best country in the world, etc. That's what you're saying? HAHA! Come on kid, make me laugh some more XD. If all you're doing is looking at a GDP figure (which isn't very good anyways), then you have no case at all. When you've known people who've lived in Lithuania, when you've known people who have worked there, when you've read about it, etc., then come talk to me. It isn't a great place to live in comparing to many other developed countries.  It's not something I like, especially because I love slavic folks, but it's the way it is . And if you're curious, yes, the suicide rate actually rose dramatically with the USSR's collapse, reaching as high as 46 per 100,000 during the mid-late 1990s, so the fact that you're denying statistical information shows how desperate you are to dig yourself out of that deep trench you fell into the last time you aggressively attacked me. Like with Russia (and other former Soviet countries), the 1990s was really, really tough economically and politically. Life got tougher. The economy basically nosedived and it was pretty chaotic. Crime and alcoholism and other things were on the rise bigtime. You had a hugely rising business oligarchic group in many of these former republics eating up a lot of the wealth while everyone else got shit on much worse than during the Soviet period. As previously mentioned, as a result of everything going shitty, suicides went way up. The suicide rate has come down somewhat by now, but obviously Lithuania is still on top of the world when it comes to that sort of thing. Since the turn of the millennium, things have been improving but it's still a long way to go. But yes, it is tougher social conditions, poverty, and other things in Lithuania that's basically caused the suicide rate to be that high during the 90s, and having the world's highest even to this day. If life was fine and dandy there, the suicide rate wouldn't be so high. Put it this way, if the US economy crashed, as in several times worse than the Great Depression, and things didn't even start getting better for a decade, I dare you to honestly tell me things would be so rosy lol. Sucks to have your ass handed to you again, doesn't it? Don't pick fights you can't win. Word of advice: Listen to some Metallica, preferably something from the Ride the Lightning or Master of Puppets albums (my faves), and chill out bro.  \m/>_<\m/ I'm not going to argue with a demented person that pisses all over himself every time he gets called out on the ridiculous incomprehensive shit that he posts. I'll just point a few things out and hope to never read your filth again. Lithuanians make more on average or are at least on par with every other former soviet republic. If you actually went to Russia and then to Lithuania you would be shocked by a contrast. Lithuania does actually look like Europe. I know you "read a lot and know peepz" but I assure you - it is exactly the way I said it. How do I know? I lived in the region for 19 years and went to Lithuania multiple times. It might shock you but lithuanians are not slavs. The conversation should be over after that statement really. The only slavs that live there are ethnic russians. But I'm sure you know all of this. You attributed suicides to the collapse of communist governments but in fact no one even tries to claim this with any degree of certainty, especially since Hungary posted steadily decreasing suicide rates since the collapse. The number you provided for mid 1990s makes zero sense in this regard since Lithuania was doing a lot better economically back then compared to recently. And you also have every other soviet republic with worse economy yet lower suicide rates. Doesn't really compute. Throw Switzerland, Japan and SK in the mix. Even Finland is high on the list. Explain that purely through economics and youre a genius. Thanks for your shitty attempt at a history lesson - even as someone who lived there through all those years I wouldn't have said anything if it was remotely accurate (not even hard nowadays given wikipedia and google) but you couldn't even do that. You know what I meant by calling you out on being a racist, just like I did previously. Don't pretend to be an idiot, you don't even have to ffs. Go type up another adventure story about you hooking up with "oriental" girls of korean origin lmao. Someone sounds jealous  . Also, all I said was that I've dated Asian girls when I was attacked for not liking Asians, by you I think it was, because I said kpop culture can sometimes be lolwtf. I didn't know a simple statement was writing adventure stories, but if you interpreted it that way, then whatever. In any case, I'm sorry I even mentioned I've dated Asian girls. It seems to have made you particularly angry XD! No wonder why you're so messed up and aggressive with me. I guess there was something else making you mad besides the fact I've thrown you in a bottomless pit two out of two times you've aggressively attacked me  . I was just talking about Lithuania, not anywhere else btw. Since you had absolutely nothing to counter my point, you wrote a wall of text just to prove what a tryhard failure you are. XD. Oh boy, I love good entertainment. I won't lie. I also love the fact that I've said nothing racist and yet you're still raging like a dim-witted, mad drunk slandering me and calling me racist with no basis at all. Yeah, apparently it's racist to say the 1990s were a really shitty time in Lithuania. And let me guess, you would also say that it's racist to eat sushi and not be Japanese. LOL! Someone is seriously asshurt XD. You're so asshurt you're not even making sense  . Btw, if apparently the US sucks so bad since we're referring to our first conversation now, why did you move from "Europe"? For your information, Europe isn't a country. Usually when you say you moved from somewhere, you say the country or state/province or city, not the continent. I guess you think Europe is a country though? LOL! That said, some Swedish dude already called you out on your bullshit in one of your posts (surprised not all of them), so it's all good. I'll just assume you're some 12 year-old kid and leave it at that. I'm actually looking at it optimistically, because no one in their late teens or 20s or older can possibly be as idiotic as you're acting like now without having some serious mental issue. I seriously suggest you chill out. Judging by your behavior, you probably go batshit insane raging when you lose a game in SC. That's not good, dude. My opinion of this squabble is that you are very condescending and you should have quit while you were ahead several posts ago. The post to which you replied is my third post in this thread. Several back would be in the negative. You know what they say. "When you're ahead, get more ahead." However, my main interest is in how entertaining this guy is. I missed Funday Monday, but this is almost as good. I can't say I'm that condescending, though. Putting a flaming, aggressive kid in his place after attacking me isn't condescending. I admit my tone came across that way given what I'm dealing with, but this guy's been terribly entertaining. I have suggested twice for him to chill out. Let's see if he keeps on going . I don't expect him to, and I'd sincerely like him to chill the fuck out, but she's got some serious beef with me. I mean, he attacked me once again when the last ordeal was a few weeks ago. He holds quite a grudge . I guess shutting him down hurt him deep last time. Tbh, I have no ire against him because I'm a chill guy and forgive and forget, but this guy's hating. + Show Spoiler +Now I'm not saying I'm perfect (far from it), but to call me very condescending is imo quite baseless, and makes me scratch my head a bit. You know, including kinda awkward people in on things despite getting questioning from my friends on why the heck I brought them along isn't condescending.. Helping druggies/depressives/etc. I've known turn their life around when practically everyone gave up on them isn't condescending. Helping Bronze players improve their skills and see what they need to be working on isn't condescending. Volunteering at homeless shelters helping people who have it worse than anyone isn't that sort of thing. And yes I fucking care about all these sorts of people, or else I wouldn't have bothered. And trust me, I didn't get anything in return for having done any of it. I could go on all night, but if you're claiming that I'm "very condescending" because I got some 5-star entertainment value out of hard-countering a guy who is attacking me for no rational reason at all, then I'd suggest you rethink that claim . Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 13:12 Golgotha wrote:north korea is not why we are sad. the true reason lies within the strict and conformist culture we have and how it pervades into our politics, economics, and social structure. but to be honest...Korea is like the BEST place for sad folks. Seriously, you can drink the night away, eat mind blowing good food, club hopping, karaoke with friends, more drinking, smoking (beware of doing drugs in korea, it can get fked up for you ) and of course PC BANG! so much to do folks. so if u are depressed go there and have wicked fun. Sounds pretty cool, but America's Finest City is sick too. I gotta say, as far as drinking the night away goes, soju is pretty fucking awesome. During my spring break, I bought some Jinro, drank it, and hit parties/clubs and it was a hell of a lot of fun. I'd say I like soju almost as much as vodka as far as taste and strength go, and how much more awesome and fun parties get. Thank you Koreans for soju .
may i interrupt, but this is getting hilarious, as well as that discussion about lithuania before ;O
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On April 03 2012 14:21 Artok wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 14:00 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 13:38 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On April 03 2012 13:22 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 12:04 ecstatica wrote:On April 03 2012 09:17 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 02:50 ecstatica wrote:On April 03 2012 01:13 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 00:28 Azarkon wrote:
For those looking for Asian culture reasons to the suicide rate - mind explaining why Lithuania has a higher suicide rate than South Korea?
Once upon a time, the Soviet Union collapsed, leading into heavy economic depression, chaos, and societal problems in the former Soviet states. Lithuania, to say the least, has many, many issues. It comes as no surprise there would be a high suicide rate. There's of course many reasons for the high suicide rate in Korea. I'll add a minor possible reason, in that the kpop culture sorta influences guys to be pretty... effeminate. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing, but having thin skin like that for a guy can make you not as able to bear stressful things. Lithuania doing great compared to former soviet republics. That is absolutely the opposite of what you wrote. I would also like you to list "many issues" that Lithuania has derived directly from the downfall of USSR. Real curious here! I called you out on posting bs previously, you also need to stop being a racist fuck and taking stabs at asians, or "orientals" as you call them. This is not the first time for you, you're always kind of slimy and elusive by not being direct but it is still pretty obvious. Yes, I remember when you "called me out" (if calling someone out means immaturely slandering them), and I completely shut you down and you slinked back into the hole you crawled out of. I guess you're still asshurt. Get over it. As far as being a racist fuck? HAHAHA!! No idea how it's racist to say shit's tough in Lithuania. That's a fact. Thanks for trolling kthxbai. Don't pull shit out of your ass, grow up, kid, and stop the slander. Slimy and elusive? What the heck? XD I think I'm pretty damn straight-forward hahaha. Oh god, people like you are seriously off their rocker. "I don't like this guy's post despite it being true so I'll flame him to make my non-existent esteem better". So let me guess, Lithuania is a fucking utopia to live in, best country in the world, etc. That's what you're saying? HAHA! Come on kid, make me laugh some more XD. If all you're doing is looking at a GDP figure (which isn't very good anyways), then you have no case at all. When you've known people who've lived in Lithuania, when you've known people who have worked there, when you've read about it, etc., then come talk to me. It isn't a great place to live in comparing to many other developed countries. It's not something I like, especially because I love slavic folks, but it's the way it is . And if you're curious, yes, the suicide rate actually rose dramatically with the USSR's collapse, reaching as high as 46 per 100,000 during the mid-late 1990s, so the fact that you're denying statistical information shows how desperate you are to dig yourself out of that deep trench you fell into the last time you aggressively attacked me. Like with Russia (and other former Soviet countries), the 1990s was really, really tough economically and politically. Life got tougher. The economy basically nosedived and it was pretty chaotic. Crime and alcoholism and other things were on the rise bigtime. You had a hugely rising business oligarchic group in many of these former republics eating up a lot of the wealth while everyone else got shit on much worse than during the Soviet period. As previously mentioned, as a result of everything going shitty, suicides went way up. The suicide rate has come down somewhat by now, but obviously Lithuania is still on top of the world when it comes to that sort of thing. Since the turn of the millennium, things have been improving but it's still a long way to go. But yes, it is tougher social conditions, poverty, and other things in Lithuania that's basically caused the suicide rate to be that high during the 90s, and having the world's highest even to this day. If life was fine and dandy there, the suicide rate wouldn't be so high. Put it this way, if the US economy crashed, as in several times worse than the Great Depression, and things didn't even start getting better for a decade, I dare you to honestly tell me things would be so rosy lol. Sucks to have your ass handed to you again, doesn't it? Don't pick fights you can't win. Word of advice: Listen to some Metallica, preferably something from the Ride the Lightning or Master of Puppets albums (my faves), and chill out bro. \m/>_<\m/ I'm not going to argue with a demented person that pisses all over himself every time he gets called out on the ridiculous incomprehensive shit that he posts. I'll just point a few things out and hope to never read your filth again. Lithuanians make more on average or are at least on par with every other former soviet republic. If you actually went to Russia and then to Lithuania you would be shocked by a contrast. Lithuania does actually look like Europe. I know you "read a lot and know peepz" but I assure you - it is exactly the way I said it. How do I know? I lived in the region for 19 years and went to Lithuania multiple times. It might shock you but lithuanians are not slavs. The conversation should be over after that statement really. The only slavs that live there are ethnic russians. But I'm sure you know all of this. You attributed suicides to the collapse of communist governments but in fact no one even tries to claim this with any degree of certainty, especially since Hungary posted steadily decreasing suicide rates since the collapse. The number you provided for mid 1990s makes zero sense in this regard since Lithuania was doing a lot better economically back then compared to recently. And you also have every other soviet republic with worse economy yet lower suicide rates. Doesn't really compute. Throw Switzerland, Japan and SK in the mix. Even Finland is high on the list. Explain that purely through economics and youre a genius. Thanks for your shitty attempt at a history lesson - even as someone who lived there through all those years I wouldn't have said anything if it was remotely accurate (not even hard nowadays given wikipedia and google) but you couldn't even do that. You know what I meant by calling you out on being a racist, just like I did previously. Don't pretend to be an idiot, you don't even have to ffs. Go type up another adventure story about you hooking up with "oriental" girls of korean origin lmao. Someone sounds jealous . Also, all I said was that I've dated Asian girls when I was attacked for not liking Asians, by you I think it was, because I said kpop culture can sometimes be lolwtf. I didn't know a simple statement was writing adventure stories, but if you interpreted it that way, then whatever. In any case, I'm sorry I even mentioned I've dated Asian girls. It seems to have made you particularly angry XD! No wonder why you're so messed up and aggressive with me. I guess there was something else making you mad besides the fact I've thrown you in a bottomless pit two out of two times you've aggressively attacked me . I was just talking about Lithuania, not anywhere else btw. Since you had absolutely nothing to counter my point, you wrote a wall of text just to prove what a tryhard failure you are. XD. Oh boy, I love good entertainment. I won't lie. I also love the fact that I've said nothing racist and yet you're still raging like a dim-witted, mad drunk slandering me and calling me racist with no basis at all. Yeah, apparently it's racist to say the 1990s were a really shitty time in Lithuania. And let me guess, you would also say that it's racist to eat sushi and not be Japanese. LOL! Someone is seriously asshurt XD. You're so asshurt you're not even making sense . Btw, if apparently the US sucks so bad since we're referring to our first conversation now, why did you move from "Europe"? For your information, Europe isn't a country. Usually when you say you moved from somewhere, you say the country or state/province or city, not the continent. I guess you think Europe is a country though? LOL! That said, some Swedish dude already called you out on your bullshit in one of your posts (surprised not all of them), so it's all good. I'll just assume you're some 12 year-old kid and leave it at that. I'm actually looking at it optimistically, because no one in their late teens or 20s or older can possibly be as idiotic as you're acting like now without having some serious mental issue. I seriously suggest you chill out. Judging by your behavior, you probably go batshit insane raging when you lose a game in SC. That's not good, dude. My opinion of this squabble is that you are very condescending and you should have quit while you were ahead several posts ago. The post to which you replied is my third post in this thread. Several back would be in the negative. You know what they say. "When you're ahead, get more ahead." However, my main interest is in how entertaining this guy is. I missed Funday Monday, but this is almost as good. I can't say I'm that condescending, though. Putting a flaming, aggressive kid in his place after attacking me isn't condescending. I admit my tone came across that way given what I'm dealing with, but this guy's been terribly entertaining. I have suggested twice for him to chill out. Let's see if he keeps on going . I don't expect him to, and I'd sincerely like him to chill the fuck out, but she's got some serious beef with me. I mean, he attacked me once again when the last ordeal was a few weeks ago. He holds quite a grudge . I guess shutting him down hurt him deep last time. Tbh, I have no ire against him because I'm a chill guy and forgive and forget, but this guy's hating. + Show Spoiler +Now I'm not saying I'm perfect (far from it), but to call me very condescending is imo quite baseless, and makes me scratch my head a bit. You know, including kinda awkward people in on things despite getting questioning from my friends on why the heck I brought them along isn't condescending.. Helping druggies/depressives/etc. I've known turn their life around when practically everyone gave up on them isn't condescending. Helping Bronze players improve their skills and see what they need to be working on isn't condescending. Volunteering at homeless shelters helping people who have it worse than anyone isn't that sort of thing. And yes I fucking care about all these sorts of people, or else I wouldn't have bothered. And trust me, I didn't get anything in return for having done any of it. I could go on all night, but if you're claiming that I'm "very condescending" because I got some 5-star entertainment value out of hard-countering a guy who is attacking me for no rational reason at all, then I'd suggest you rethink that claim . On April 03 2012 13:12 Golgotha wrote:north korea is not why we are sad. the true reason lies within the strict and conformist culture we have and how it pervades into our politics, economics, and social structure. but to be honest...Korea is like the BEST place for sad folks. Seriously, you can drink the night away, eat mind blowing good food, club hopping, karaoke with friends, more drinking, smoking (beware of doing drugs in korea, it can get fked up for you ) and of course PC BANG! so much to do folks. so if u are depressed go there and have wicked fun. Sounds pretty cool, but America's Finest City is sick too. I gotta say, as far as drinking the night away goes, soju is pretty fucking awesome. During my spring break, I bought some Jinro, drank it, and hit parties/clubs and it was a hell of a lot of fun. I'd say I like soju almost as much as vodka as far as taste and strength go, and how much more awesome and fun parties get. Thank you Koreans for soju . may i interrupt, but this is getting hilarious, as well as that discussion about lithuania before ;O
I'm having fun. No harm in that amirite.
But finally. A Lithuanian. Now, can you shed some first-hand light on how things are over there? By that I mean living conditions of the general populace, societal issues, that sort of thing, that is contributing to a rather high suicide rate? My original point was the statistical fact that suicide rates hit extreme highs following the Soviet collapse, and while it has improved since the 90s, it is, well, still the highest in the world . Now, if you know about some of the related issues and if you could shed some light on them, that would be great for the discussion.
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On April 03 2012 11:09 jellyjello wrote:
Korea is the perfect case of rich getting richer (no wonder people are unhappy). The government does very little to protect small businesses that have the potential to grow. The end result is that these businesses stay stagnant instead of being invested and expanding further. Any surplus that these shop owners make, instead, goes to the real state (if not savings account) due to the heavy involvement of the Korean government in the land development (this is a whole another topic).
I want to quote this just because of how true I believe it to be. Small businesses ,which do a large part in the growth of the economy, jobs, and production, are becoming downtrodden in the economic stagnation. This, in turn, only serves to exasperate the problem. When the majority of workers are working for the same corporations, there is no competition among employers, and the employees have less job security, less pay, and more hours.
The only people that are winning in the stagnation of small business, are the people running the corporations.
Not the whole picture, but it's a big cause of the increasing wealth disparity between those on top and those at the bottom.
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On April 03 2012 14:33 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 14:21 Artok wrote:On April 03 2012 14:00 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 13:38 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On April 03 2012 13:22 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 12:04 ecstatica wrote:On April 03 2012 09:17 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 02:50 ecstatica wrote:On April 03 2012 01:13 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 00:28 Azarkon wrote:
For those looking for Asian culture reasons to the suicide rate - mind explaining why Lithuania has a higher suicide rate than South Korea?
Once upon a time, the Soviet Union collapsed, leading into heavy economic depression, chaos, and societal problems in the former Soviet states. Lithuania, to say the least, has many, many issues. It comes as no surprise there would be a high suicide rate. There's of course many reasons for the high suicide rate in Korea. I'll add a minor possible reason, in that the kpop culture sorta influences guys to be pretty... effeminate. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing, but having thin skin like that for a guy can make you not as able to bear stressful things. Lithuania doing great compared to former soviet republics. That is absolutely the opposite of what you wrote. I would also like you to list "many issues" that Lithuania has derived directly from the downfall of USSR. Real curious here! I called you out on posting bs previously, you also need to stop being a racist fuck and taking stabs at asians, or "orientals" as you call them. This is not the first time for you, you're always kind of slimy and elusive by not being direct but it is still pretty obvious. Yes, I remember when you "called me out" (if calling someone out means immaturely slandering them), and I completely shut you down and you slinked back into the hole you crawled out of. I guess you're still asshurt. Get over it. As far as being a racist fuck? HAHAHA!! No idea how it's racist to say shit's tough in Lithuania. That's a fact. Thanks for trolling kthxbai. Don't pull shit out of your ass, grow up, kid, and stop the slander. Slimy and elusive? What the heck? XD I think I'm pretty damn straight-forward hahaha. Oh god, people like you are seriously off their rocker. "I don't like this guy's post despite it being true so I'll flame him to make my non-existent esteem better". So let me guess, Lithuania is a fucking utopia to live in, best country in the world, etc. That's what you're saying? HAHA! Come on kid, make me laugh some more XD. If all you're doing is looking at a GDP figure (which isn't very good anyways), then you have no case at all. When you've known people who've lived in Lithuania, when you've known people who have worked there, when you've read about it, etc., then come talk to me. It isn't a great place to live in comparing to many other developed countries. It's not something I like, especially because I love slavic folks, but it's the way it is . And if you're curious, yes, the suicide rate actually rose dramatically with the USSR's collapse, reaching as high as 46 per 100,000 during the mid-late 1990s, so the fact that you're denying statistical information shows how desperate you are to dig yourself out of that deep trench you fell into the last time you aggressively attacked me. Like with Russia (and other former Soviet countries), the 1990s was really, really tough economically and politically. Life got tougher. The economy basically nosedived and it was pretty chaotic. Crime and alcoholism and other things were on the rise bigtime. You had a hugely rising business oligarchic group in many of these former republics eating up a lot of the wealth while everyone else got shit on much worse than during the Soviet period. As previously mentioned, as a result of everything going shitty, suicides went way up. The suicide rate has come down somewhat by now, but obviously Lithuania is still on top of the world when it comes to that sort of thing. Since the turn of the millennium, things have been improving but it's still a long way to go. But yes, it is tougher social conditions, poverty, and other things in Lithuania that's basically caused the suicide rate to be that high during the 90s, and having the world's highest even to this day. If life was fine and dandy there, the suicide rate wouldn't be so high. Put it this way, if the US economy crashed, as in several times worse than the Great Depression, and things didn't even start getting better for a decade, I dare you to honestly tell me things would be so rosy lol. Sucks to have your ass handed to you again, doesn't it? Don't pick fights you can't win. Word of advice: Listen to some Metallica, preferably something from the Ride the Lightning or Master of Puppets albums (my faves), and chill out bro. \m/>_<\m/ I'm not going to argue with a demented person that pisses all over himself every time he gets called out on the ridiculous incomprehensive shit that he posts. I'll just point a few things out and hope to never read your filth again. Lithuanians make more on average or are at least on par with every other former soviet republic. If you actually went to Russia and then to Lithuania you would be shocked by a contrast. Lithuania does actually look like Europe. I know you "read a lot and know peepz" but I assure you - it is exactly the way I said it. How do I know? I lived in the region for 19 years and went to Lithuania multiple times. It might shock you but lithuanians are not slavs. The conversation should be over after that statement really. The only slavs that live there are ethnic russians. But I'm sure you know all of this. You attributed suicides to the collapse of communist governments but in fact no one even tries to claim this with any degree of certainty, especially since Hungary posted steadily decreasing suicide rates since the collapse. The number you provided for mid 1990s makes zero sense in this regard since Lithuania was doing a lot better economically back then compared to recently. And you also have every other soviet republic with worse economy yet lower suicide rates. Doesn't really compute. Throw Switzerland, Japan and SK in the mix. Even Finland is high on the list. Explain that purely through economics and youre a genius. Thanks for your shitty attempt at a history lesson - even as someone who lived there through all those years I wouldn't have said anything if it was remotely accurate (not even hard nowadays given wikipedia and google) but you couldn't even do that. You know what I meant by calling you out on being a racist, just like I did previously. Don't pretend to be an idiot, you don't even have to ffs. Go type up another adventure story about you hooking up with "oriental" girls of korean origin lmao. Someone sounds jealous . Also, all I said was that I've dated Asian girls when I was attacked for not liking Asians, by you I think it was, because I said kpop culture can sometimes be lolwtf. I didn't know a simple statement was writing adventure stories, but if you interpreted it that way, then whatever. In any case, I'm sorry I even mentioned I've dated Asian girls. It seems to have made you particularly angry XD! No wonder why you're so messed up and aggressive with me. I guess there was something else making you mad besides the fact I've thrown you in a bottomless pit two out of two times you've aggressively attacked me . I was just talking about Lithuania, not anywhere else btw. Since you had absolutely nothing to counter my point, you wrote a wall of text just to prove what a tryhard failure you are. XD. Oh boy, I love good entertainment. I won't lie. I also love the fact that I've said nothing racist and yet you're still raging like a dim-witted, mad drunk slandering me and calling me racist with no basis at all. Yeah, apparently it's racist to say the 1990s were a really shitty time in Lithuania. And let me guess, you would also say that it's racist to eat sushi and not be Japanese. LOL! Someone is seriously asshurt XD. You're so asshurt you're not even making sense . Btw, if apparently the US sucks so bad since we're referring to our first conversation now, why did you move from "Europe"? For your information, Europe isn't a country. Usually when you say you moved from somewhere, you say the country or state/province or city, not the continent. I guess you think Europe is a country though? LOL! That said, some Swedish dude already called you out on your bullshit in one of your posts (surprised not all of them), so it's all good. I'll just assume you're some 12 year-old kid and leave it at that. I'm actually looking at it optimistically, because no one in their late teens or 20s or older can possibly be as idiotic as you're acting like now without having some serious mental issue. I seriously suggest you chill out. Judging by your behavior, you probably go batshit insane raging when you lose a game in SC. That's not good, dude. My opinion of this squabble is that you are very condescending and you should have quit while you were ahead several posts ago. The post to which you replied is my third post in this thread. Several back would be in the negative. You know what they say. "When you're ahead, get more ahead." However, my main interest is in how entertaining this guy is. I missed Funday Monday, but this is almost as good. I can't say I'm that condescending, though. Putting a flaming, aggressive kid in his place after attacking me isn't condescending. I admit my tone came across that way given what I'm dealing with, but this guy's been terribly entertaining. I have suggested twice for him to chill out. Let's see if he keeps on going . I don't expect him to, and I'd sincerely like him to chill the fuck out, but she's got some serious beef with me. I mean, he attacked me once again when the last ordeal was a few weeks ago. He holds quite a grudge . I guess shutting him down hurt him deep last time. Tbh, I have no ire against him because I'm a chill guy and forgive and forget, but this guy's hating. + Show Spoiler +Now I'm not saying I'm perfect (far from it), but to call me very condescending is imo quite baseless, and makes me scratch my head a bit. You know, including kinda awkward people in on things despite getting questioning from my friends on why the heck I brought them along isn't condescending.. Helping druggies/depressives/etc. I've known turn their life around when practically everyone gave up on them isn't condescending. Helping Bronze players improve their skills and see what they need to be working on isn't condescending. Volunteering at homeless shelters helping people who have it worse than anyone isn't that sort of thing. And yes I fucking care about all these sorts of people, or else I wouldn't have bothered. And trust me, I didn't get anything in return for having done any of it. I could go on all night, but if you're claiming that I'm "very condescending" because I got some 5-star entertainment value out of hard-countering a guy who is attacking me for no rational reason at all, then I'd suggest you rethink that claim . On April 03 2012 13:12 Golgotha wrote:north korea is not why we are sad. the true reason lies within the strict and conformist culture we have and how it pervades into our politics, economics, and social structure. but to be honest...Korea is like the BEST place for sad folks. Seriously, you can drink the night away, eat mind blowing good food, club hopping, karaoke with friends, more drinking, smoking (beware of doing drugs in korea, it can get fked up for you ) and of course PC BANG! so much to do folks. so if u are depressed go there and have wicked fun. Sounds pretty cool, but America's Finest City is sick too. I gotta say, as far as drinking the night away goes, soju is pretty fucking awesome. During my spring break, I bought some Jinro, drank it, and hit parties/clubs and it was a hell of a lot of fun. I'd say I like soju almost as much as vodka as far as taste and strength go, and how much more awesome and fun parties get. Thank you Koreans for soju . may i interrupt, but this is getting hilarious, as well as that discussion about lithuania before ;O I'm having fun. No harm in that amirite. But finally. A Lithuanian. Now, can you shed some first-hand light on how things are over there? By that I mean living conditions of the general populace, societal issues, that sort of thing, that is contributing to a rather high suicide rate? My original point was the statistical fact that suicide rates hit extreme highs following the Soviet collapse, and while it has improved since the 90s, it is, well, still the highest in the world . Now, if you know about some of the related issues and if you could shed some light on them, that would be great for the discussion.
Hmm, since i'm living in capital i can't really talk about smaller cities/villages, but i will write about what i noticed so far ;D Most of the suicide cases that i know of were because of alcoholism, debts or just because of life traumas. Alcoholism is actually caused by the "drink to be cool" mentality that came from soviet union and is still pretty big here, especially is smaller villages. Then debts and such can be associated with the collapse, because after that happened there were a lot of frauds and corruption, which led to massive debts and such, since now country is getting more and more stable, suicides because of this reason are becoming extinct. Then the 3rd reason that i mentioned is in no way affected by the collapse, ofcourse you could say that school bullying has been affected by the lifestyle that was "inspired" by soviet union, as in stronger is superior and smart doesn't mean anything, but i don't really know, on top of that some suicides are really silly, for example guy exploding himself because of his lover leaving him <.< To be fair, i don't even know why are people here loving suiciding, never thought too much about it, maybe im just being a bit ignorant.
EDIT: oh yeah, sry for the bad quality of post, but i haven't slept whole night and im too tired to even bother fixing it ;/
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On April 03 2012 14:39 RancidTurnip wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 11:09 jellyjello wrote:
Korea is the perfect case of rich getting richer (no wonder people are unhappy). The government does very little to protect small businesses that have the potential to grow. The end result is that these businesses stay stagnant instead of being invested and expanding further. Any surplus that these shop owners make, instead, goes to the real state (if not savings account) due to the heavy involvement of the Korean government in the land development (this is a whole another topic).
I want to quote this just because of how true I believe it to be. Small businesses ,which do a large part in the growth of the economy, jobs, and production, are becoming downtrodden in the economic stagnation. This, in turn, only serves to exasperate the problem. When the majority of workers are working for the same corporations, there is no competition among employers, and the employees have less job security, less pay, and more hours. The only people that are winning in the stagnation of small business, are the people running the corporations. Not the whole picture, but it's a big cause of the increasing wealth disparity between those on top and those at the bottom.
Did internship with Korean Education Ministry and this sentiment is widespread. The government knows this is an issue and they are actually trying to make amends. One specific thing they are trying to do is lessen the stranglehold that Samsung has over Korean economics. Recently, there was an outrage that Samsung was spreading into every damn market in Korea, such as bakeries....kinda hard to compete with a multi-billion dollar bakery...
HOWEVER, samsung has so many lobbyists and politicians waiting to do their bidding....they ain't gonna take this easily.
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On April 03 2012 14:46 Artok wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 14:33 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 14:21 Artok wrote:On April 03 2012 14:00 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 13:38 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On April 03 2012 13:22 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 12:04 ecstatica wrote:On April 03 2012 09:17 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 02:50 ecstatica wrote:On April 03 2012 01:13 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
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Once upon a time, the Soviet Union collapsed, leading into heavy economic depression, chaos, and societal problems in the former Soviet states. Lithuania, to say the least, has many, many issues. It comes as no surprise there would be a high suicide rate.
There's of course many reasons for the high suicide rate in Korea. I'll add a minor possible reason, in that the kpop culture sorta influences guys to be pretty... effeminate. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing, but having thin skin like that for a guy can make you not as able to bear stressful things. Lithuania doing great compared to former soviet republics. That is absolutely the opposite of what you wrote. I would also like you to list "many issues" that Lithuania has derived directly from the downfall of USSR. Real curious here! I called you out on posting bs previously, you also need to stop being a racist fuck and taking stabs at asians, or "orientals" as you call them. This is not the first time for you, you're always kind of slimy and elusive by not being direct but it is still pretty obvious. Yes, I remember when you "called me out" (if calling someone out means immaturely slandering them), and I completely shut you down and you slinked back into the hole you crawled out of. I guess you're still asshurt. Get over it. As far as being a racist fuck? HAHAHA!! No idea how it's racist to say shit's tough in Lithuania. That's a fact. Thanks for trolling kthxbai. Don't pull shit out of your ass, grow up, kid, and stop the slander. Slimy and elusive? What the heck? XD I think I'm pretty damn straight-forward hahaha. Oh god, people like you are seriously off their rocker. "I don't like this guy's post despite it being true so I'll flame him to make my non-existent esteem better". So let me guess, Lithuania is a fucking utopia to live in, best country in the world, etc. That's what you're saying? HAHA! Come on kid, make me laugh some more XD. If all you're doing is looking at a GDP figure (which isn't very good anyways), then you have no case at all. When you've known people who've lived in Lithuania, when you've known people who have worked there, when you've read about it, etc., then come talk to me. It isn't a great place to live in comparing to many other developed countries. It's not something I like, especially because I love slavic folks, but it's the way it is . And if you're curious, yes, the suicide rate actually rose dramatically with the USSR's collapse, reaching as high as 46 per 100,000 during the mid-late 1990s, so the fact that you're denying statistical information shows how desperate you are to dig yourself out of that deep trench you fell into the last time you aggressively attacked me. Like with Russia (and other former Soviet countries), the 1990s was really, really tough economically and politically. Life got tougher. The economy basically nosedived and it was pretty chaotic. Crime and alcoholism and other things were on the rise bigtime. You had a hugely rising business oligarchic group in many of these former republics eating up a lot of the wealth while everyone else got shit on much worse than during the Soviet period. As previously mentioned, as a result of everything going shitty, suicides went way up. The suicide rate has come down somewhat by now, but obviously Lithuania is still on top of the world when it comes to that sort of thing. Since the turn of the millennium, things have been improving but it's still a long way to go. But yes, it is tougher social conditions, poverty, and other things in Lithuania that's basically caused the suicide rate to be that high during the 90s, and having the world's highest even to this day. If life was fine and dandy there, the suicide rate wouldn't be so high. Put it this way, if the US economy crashed, as in several times worse than the Great Depression, and things didn't even start getting better for a decade, I dare you to honestly tell me things would be so rosy lol. Sucks to have your ass handed to you again, doesn't it? Don't pick fights you can't win. Word of advice: Listen to some Metallica, preferably something from the Ride the Lightning or Master of Puppets albums (my faves), and chill out bro. \m/>_<\m/ I'm not going to argue with a demented person that pisses all over himself every time he gets called out on the ridiculous incomprehensive shit that he posts. I'll just point a few things out and hope to never read your filth again. Lithuanians make more on average or are at least on par with every other former soviet republic. If you actually went to Russia and then to Lithuania you would be shocked by a contrast. Lithuania does actually look like Europe. I know you "read a lot and know peepz" but I assure you - it is exactly the way I said it. How do I know? I lived in the region for 19 years and went to Lithuania multiple times. It might shock you but lithuanians are not slavs. The conversation should be over after that statement really. The only slavs that live there are ethnic russians. But I'm sure you know all of this. You attributed suicides to the collapse of communist governments but in fact no one even tries to claim this with any degree of certainty, especially since Hungary posted steadily decreasing suicide rates since the collapse. The number you provided for mid 1990s makes zero sense in this regard since Lithuania was doing a lot better economically back then compared to recently. And you also have every other soviet republic with worse economy yet lower suicide rates. Doesn't really compute. Throw Switzerland, Japan and SK in the mix. Even Finland is high on the list. Explain that purely through economics and youre a genius. Thanks for your shitty attempt at a history lesson - even as someone who lived there through all those years I wouldn't have said anything if it was remotely accurate (not even hard nowadays given wikipedia and google) but you couldn't even do that. You know what I meant by calling you out on being a racist, just like I did previously. Don't pretend to be an idiot, you don't even have to ffs. Go type up another adventure story about you hooking up with "oriental" girls of korean origin lmao. Someone sounds jealous . Also, all I said was that I've dated Asian girls when I was attacked for not liking Asians, by you I think it was, because I said kpop culture can sometimes be lolwtf. I didn't know a simple statement was writing adventure stories, but if you interpreted it that way, then whatever. In any case, I'm sorry I even mentioned I've dated Asian girls. It seems to have made you particularly angry XD! No wonder why you're so messed up and aggressive with me. I guess there was something else making you mad besides the fact I've thrown you in a bottomless pit two out of two times you've aggressively attacked me . I was just talking about Lithuania, not anywhere else btw. Since you had absolutely nothing to counter my point, you wrote a wall of text just to prove what a tryhard failure you are. XD. Oh boy, I love good entertainment. I won't lie. I also love the fact that I've said nothing racist and yet you're still raging like a dim-witted, mad drunk slandering me and calling me racist with no basis at all. Yeah, apparently it's racist to say the 1990s were a really shitty time in Lithuania. And let me guess, you would also say that it's racist to eat sushi and not be Japanese. LOL! Someone is seriously asshurt XD. You're so asshurt you're not even making sense . Btw, if apparently the US sucks so bad since we're referring to our first conversation now, why did you move from "Europe"? For your information, Europe isn't a country. Usually when you say you moved from somewhere, you say the country or state/province or city, not the continent. I guess you think Europe is a country though? LOL! That said, some Swedish dude already called you out on your bullshit in one of your posts (surprised not all of them), so it's all good. I'll just assume you're some 12 year-old kid and leave it at that. I'm actually looking at it optimistically, because no one in their late teens or 20s or older can possibly be as idiotic as you're acting like now without having some serious mental issue. I seriously suggest you chill out. Judging by your behavior, you probably go batshit insane raging when you lose a game in SC. That's not good, dude. My opinion of this squabble is that you are very condescending and you should have quit while you were ahead several posts ago. The post to which you replied is my third post in this thread. Several back would be in the negative. You know what they say. "When you're ahead, get more ahead." However, my main interest is in how entertaining this guy is. I missed Funday Monday, but this is almost as good. I can't say I'm that condescending, though. Putting a flaming, aggressive kid in his place after attacking me isn't condescending. I admit my tone came across that way given what I'm dealing with, but this guy's been terribly entertaining. I have suggested twice for him to chill out. Let's see if he keeps on going . I don't expect him to, and I'd sincerely like him to chill the fuck out, but she's got some serious beef with me. I mean, he attacked me once again when the last ordeal was a few weeks ago. He holds quite a grudge . I guess shutting him down hurt him deep last time. Tbh, I have no ire against him because I'm a chill guy and forgive and forget, but this guy's hating. + Show Spoiler +Now I'm not saying I'm perfect (far from it), but to call me very condescending is imo quite baseless, and makes me scratch my head a bit. You know, including kinda awkward people in on things despite getting questioning from my friends on why the heck I brought them along isn't condescending.. Helping druggies/depressives/etc. I've known turn their life around when practically everyone gave up on them isn't condescending. Helping Bronze players improve their skills and see what they need to be working on isn't condescending. Volunteering at homeless shelters helping people who have it worse than anyone isn't that sort of thing. And yes I fucking care about all these sorts of people, or else I wouldn't have bothered. And trust me, I didn't get anything in return for having done any of it. I could go on all night, but if you're claiming that I'm "very condescending" because I got some 5-star entertainment value out of hard-countering a guy who is attacking me for no rational reason at all, then I'd suggest you rethink that claim . On April 03 2012 13:12 Golgotha wrote:north korea is not why we are sad. the true reason lies within the strict and conformist culture we have and how it pervades into our politics, economics, and social structure. but to be honest...Korea is like the BEST place for sad folks. Seriously, you can drink the night away, eat mind blowing good food, club hopping, karaoke with friends, more drinking, smoking (beware of doing drugs in korea, it can get fked up for you ) and of course PC BANG! so much to do folks. so if u are depressed go there and have wicked fun. Sounds pretty cool, but America's Finest City is sick too. I gotta say, as far as drinking the night away goes, soju is pretty fucking awesome. During my spring break, I bought some Jinro, drank it, and hit parties/clubs and it was a hell of a lot of fun. I'd say I like soju almost as much as vodka as far as taste and strength go, and how much more awesome and fun parties get. Thank you Koreans for soju . may i interrupt, but this is getting hilarious, as well as that discussion about lithuania before ;O I'm having fun. No harm in that amirite. But finally. A Lithuanian. Now, can you shed some first-hand light on how things are over there? By that I mean living conditions of the general populace, societal issues, that sort of thing, that is contributing to a rather high suicide rate? My original point was the statistical fact that suicide rates hit extreme highs following the Soviet collapse, and while it has improved since the 90s, it is, well, still the highest in the world . Now, if you know about some of the related issues and if you could shed some light on them, that would be great for the discussion. Hmm, since i'm living in capital i can't really talk about smaller cities/villages, but i will write about what i noticed so far ;D Most of the suicide cases that i know of were because of alcoholism, debts or just because of life traumas. Alcoholism is actually caused by the "drink to be cool" mentality that came from soviet union and is still pretty big here, especially is smaller villages. Then debts and such can be associated with the collapse, because after that happened there were a lot of frauds and corruption, which led to massive debts and such, since now country is getting more and more stable, suicides because of this reason are becoming extinct. Then the 3rd reason that i mentioned is in no way affected by the collapse, ofcourse you could say that school bullying has been affected by the lifestyle that was "inspired" by soviet union, as in stronger is superior and smart doesn't mean anything, but i don't really know, on top of that some suicides are really silly, for example guy exploding himself because of his lover leaving him <.< To be fair, i don't even know why are people here loving suiciding, never thought too much about it, maybe im just being a bit ignorant. EDIT: oh yeah, sry for the bad quality of post, but i haven't slept whole night and im too tired to even bother fixing it ;/
Sad to hear . Well, hopefully with improving quality of life will come a further reduction in suicides, and that people who have suicidal tendencies learn to see more of the bright side of life. And with relevance to the thread, same goes with regard to Korea.
On April 03 2012 14:47 Golgotha wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 14:39 RancidTurnip wrote:On April 03 2012 11:09 jellyjello wrote:
Korea is the perfect case of rich getting richer (no wonder people are unhappy). The government does very little to protect small businesses that have the potential to grow. The end result is that these businesses stay stagnant instead of being invested and expanding further. Any surplus that these shop owners make, instead, goes to the real state (if not savings account) due to the heavy involvement of the Korean government in the land development (this is a whole another topic).
I want to quote this just because of how true I believe it to be. Small businesses ,which do a large part in the growth of the economy, jobs, and production, are becoming downtrodden in the economic stagnation. This, in turn, only serves to exasperate the problem. When the majority of workers are working for the same corporations, there is no competition among employers, and the employees have less job security, less pay, and more hours. The only people that are winning in the stagnation of small business, are the people running the corporations. Not the whole picture, but it's a big cause of the increasing wealth disparity between those on top and those at the bottom. Did internship with Korean Education Ministry and this sentiment is widespread. The government knows this is an issue and they are actually trying to make amends. One specific thing they are trying to do is lessen the stranglehold that Samsung has over Korean economics. Recently, there was an outrage that Samsung was spreading into every damn market in Korea, such as bakeries....kinda hard to compete with a multi-billion dollar bakery... HOWEVER, samsung has so many lobbyists and politicians waiting to do their bidding....they ain't gonna take this easily.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Korean conglomerates run an overwhelming part of the economy? How can the govt. beat that kind of power? Heck, even in the US we have tons of corporations and tons of business of all sizes, and yet we still have a lobbying problem :s. How is it over in Korea (besides what you already commented on)? Because if the conglomerates run the show, what can the govt. do?
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On April 03 2012 14:53 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 14:46 Artok wrote:On April 03 2012 14:33 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 14:21 Artok wrote:On April 03 2012 14:00 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 13:38 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On April 03 2012 13:22 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 12:04 ecstatica wrote:On April 03 2012 09:17 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 02:50 ecstatica wrote:
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Lithuania doing great compared to former soviet republics. That is absolutely the opposite of what you wrote. I would also like you to list "many issues" that Lithuania has derived directly from the downfall of USSR. Real curious here!
I called you out on posting bs previously, you also need to stop being a racist fuck and taking stabs at asians, or "orientals" as you call them. This is not the first time for you, you're always kind of slimy and elusive by not being direct but it is still pretty obvious. Yes, I remember when you "called me out" (if calling someone out means immaturely slandering them), and I completely shut you down and you slinked back into the hole you crawled out of. I guess you're still asshurt. Get over it. As far as being a racist fuck? HAHAHA!! No idea how it's racist to say shit's tough in Lithuania. That's a fact. Thanks for trolling kthxbai. Don't pull shit out of your ass, grow up, kid, and stop the slander. Slimy and elusive? What the heck? XD I think I'm pretty damn straight-forward hahaha. Oh god, people like you are seriously off their rocker. "I don't like this guy's post despite it being true so I'll flame him to make my non-existent esteem better". So let me guess, Lithuania is a fucking utopia to live in, best country in the world, etc. That's what you're saying? HAHA! Come on kid, make me laugh some more XD. If all you're doing is looking at a GDP figure (which isn't very good anyways), then you have no case at all. When you've known people who've lived in Lithuania, when you've known people who have worked there, when you've read about it, etc., then come talk to me. It isn't a great place to live in comparing to many other developed countries. It's not something I like, especially because I love slavic folks, but it's the way it is . And if you're curious, yes, the suicide rate actually rose dramatically with the USSR's collapse, reaching as high as 46 per 100,000 during the mid-late 1990s, so the fact that you're denying statistical information shows how desperate you are to dig yourself out of that deep trench you fell into the last time you aggressively attacked me. Like with Russia (and other former Soviet countries), the 1990s was really, really tough economically and politically. Life got tougher. The economy basically nosedived and it was pretty chaotic. Crime and alcoholism and other things were on the rise bigtime. You had a hugely rising business oligarchic group in many of these former republics eating up a lot of the wealth while everyone else got shit on much worse than during the Soviet period. As previously mentioned, as a result of everything going shitty, suicides went way up. The suicide rate has come down somewhat by now, but obviously Lithuania is still on top of the world when it comes to that sort of thing. Since the turn of the millennium, things have been improving but it's still a long way to go. But yes, it is tougher social conditions, poverty, and other things in Lithuania that's basically caused the suicide rate to be that high during the 90s, and having the world's highest even to this day. If life was fine and dandy there, the suicide rate wouldn't be so high. Put it this way, if the US economy crashed, as in several times worse than the Great Depression, and things didn't even start getting better for a decade, I dare you to honestly tell me things would be so rosy lol. Sucks to have your ass handed to you again, doesn't it? Don't pick fights you can't win. Word of advice: Listen to some Metallica, preferably something from the Ride the Lightning or Master of Puppets albums (my faves), and chill out bro. \m/>_<\m/ I'm not going to argue with a demented person that pisses all over himself every time he gets called out on the ridiculous incomprehensive shit that he posts. I'll just point a few things out and hope to never read your filth again. Lithuanians make more on average or are at least on par with every other former soviet republic. If you actually went to Russia and then to Lithuania you would be shocked by a contrast. Lithuania does actually look like Europe. I know you "read a lot and know peepz" but I assure you - it is exactly the way I said it. How do I know? I lived in the region for 19 years and went to Lithuania multiple times. It might shock you but lithuanians are not slavs. The conversation should be over after that statement really. The only slavs that live there are ethnic russians. But I'm sure you know all of this. You attributed suicides to the collapse of communist governments but in fact no one even tries to claim this with any degree of certainty, especially since Hungary posted steadily decreasing suicide rates since the collapse. The number you provided for mid 1990s makes zero sense in this regard since Lithuania was doing a lot better economically back then compared to recently. And you also have every other soviet republic with worse economy yet lower suicide rates. Doesn't really compute. Throw Switzerland, Japan and SK in the mix. Even Finland is high on the list. Explain that purely through economics and youre a genius. Thanks for your shitty attempt at a history lesson - even as someone who lived there through all those years I wouldn't have said anything if it was remotely accurate (not even hard nowadays given wikipedia and google) but you couldn't even do that. You know what I meant by calling you out on being a racist, just like I did previously. Don't pretend to be an idiot, you don't even have to ffs. Go type up another adventure story about you hooking up with "oriental" girls of korean origin lmao. Someone sounds jealous . Also, all I said was that I've dated Asian girls when I was attacked for not liking Asians, by you I think it was, because I said kpop culture can sometimes be lolwtf. I didn't know a simple statement was writing adventure stories, but if you interpreted it that way, then whatever. In any case, I'm sorry I even mentioned I've dated Asian girls. It seems to have made you particularly angry XD! No wonder why you're so messed up and aggressive with me. I guess there was something else making you mad besides the fact I've thrown you in a bottomless pit two out of two times you've aggressively attacked me . I was just talking about Lithuania, not anywhere else btw. Since you had absolutely nothing to counter my point, you wrote a wall of text just to prove what a tryhard failure you are. XD. Oh boy, I love good entertainment. I won't lie. I also love the fact that I've said nothing racist and yet you're still raging like a dim-witted, mad drunk slandering me and calling me racist with no basis at all. Yeah, apparently it's racist to say the 1990s were a really shitty time in Lithuania. And let me guess, you would also say that it's racist to eat sushi and not be Japanese. LOL! Someone is seriously asshurt XD. You're so asshurt you're not even making sense . Btw, if apparently the US sucks so bad since we're referring to our first conversation now, why did you move from "Europe"? For your information, Europe isn't a country. Usually when you say you moved from somewhere, you say the country or state/province or city, not the continent. I guess you think Europe is a country though? LOL! That said, some Swedish dude already called you out on your bullshit in one of your posts (surprised not all of them), so it's all good. I'll just assume you're some 12 year-old kid and leave it at that. I'm actually looking at it optimistically, because no one in their late teens or 20s or older can possibly be as idiotic as you're acting like now without having some serious mental issue. I seriously suggest you chill out. Judging by your behavior, you probably go batshit insane raging when you lose a game in SC. That's not good, dude. My opinion of this squabble is that you are very condescending and you should have quit while you were ahead several posts ago. The post to which you replied is my third post in this thread. Several back would be in the negative. You know what they say. "When you're ahead, get more ahead." However, my main interest is in how entertaining this guy is. I missed Funday Monday, but this is almost as good. I can't say I'm that condescending, though. Putting a flaming, aggressive kid in his place after attacking me isn't condescending. I admit my tone came across that way given what I'm dealing with, but this guy's been terribly entertaining. I have suggested twice for him to chill out. Let's see if he keeps on going . I don't expect him to, and I'd sincerely like him to chill the fuck out, but she's got some serious beef with me. I mean, he attacked me once again when the last ordeal was a few weeks ago. He holds quite a grudge . I guess shutting him down hurt him deep last time. Tbh, I have no ire against him because I'm a chill guy and forgive and forget, but this guy's hating. + Show Spoiler +Now I'm not saying I'm perfect (far from it), but to call me very condescending is imo quite baseless, and makes me scratch my head a bit. You know, including kinda awkward people in on things despite getting questioning from my friends on why the heck I brought them along isn't condescending.. Helping druggies/depressives/etc. I've known turn their life around when practically everyone gave up on them isn't condescending. Helping Bronze players improve their skills and see what they need to be working on isn't condescending. Volunteering at homeless shelters helping people who have it worse than anyone isn't that sort of thing. And yes I fucking care about all these sorts of people, or else I wouldn't have bothered. And trust me, I didn't get anything in return for having done any of it. I could go on all night, but if you're claiming that I'm "very condescending" because I got some 5-star entertainment value out of hard-countering a guy who is attacking me for no rational reason at all, then I'd suggest you rethink that claim . On April 03 2012 13:12 Golgotha wrote:north korea is not why we are sad. the true reason lies within the strict and conformist culture we have and how it pervades into our politics, economics, and social structure. but to be honest...Korea is like the BEST place for sad folks. Seriously, you can drink the night away, eat mind blowing good food, club hopping, karaoke with friends, more drinking, smoking (beware of doing drugs in korea, it can get fked up for you ) and of course PC BANG! so much to do folks. so if u are depressed go there and have wicked fun. Sounds pretty cool, but America's Finest City is sick too. I gotta say, as far as drinking the night away goes, soju is pretty fucking awesome. During my spring break, I bought some Jinro, drank it, and hit parties/clubs and it was a hell of a lot of fun. I'd say I like soju almost as much as vodka as far as taste and strength go, and how much more awesome and fun parties get. Thank you Koreans for soju . may i interrupt, but this is getting hilarious, as well as that discussion about lithuania before ;O I'm having fun. No harm in that amirite. But finally. A Lithuanian. Now, can you shed some first-hand light on how things are over there? By that I mean living conditions of the general populace, societal issues, that sort of thing, that is contributing to a rather high suicide rate? My original point was the statistical fact that suicide rates hit extreme highs following the Soviet collapse, and while it has improved since the 90s, it is, well, still the highest in the world . Now, if you know about some of the related issues and if you could shed some light on them, that would be great for the discussion. Hmm, since i'm living in capital i can't really talk about smaller cities/villages, but i will write about what i noticed so far ;D Most of the suicide cases that i know of were because of alcoholism, debts or just because of life traumas. Alcoholism is actually caused by the "drink to be cool" mentality that came from soviet union and is still pretty big here, especially is smaller villages. Then debts and such can be associated with the collapse, because after that happened there were a lot of frauds and corruption, which led to massive debts and such, since now country is getting more and more stable, suicides because of this reason are becoming extinct. Then the 3rd reason that i mentioned is in no way affected by the collapse, ofcourse you could say that school bullying has been affected by the lifestyle that was "inspired" by soviet union, as in stronger is superior and smart doesn't mean anything, but i don't really know, on top of that some suicides are really silly, for example guy exploding himself because of his lover leaving him <.< To be fair, i don't even know why are people here loving suiciding, never thought too much about it, maybe im just being a bit ignorant. EDIT: oh yeah, sry for the bad quality of post, but i haven't slept whole night and im too tired to even bother fixing it ;/ Sad to hear . Well, hopefully with improving quality of life will come a further reduction in suicides, and that people who have suicidal tendencies learn to see more of the bright side of life. And with relevance to the thread, same goes with regard to Korea.
oh ye, after thinking a bit more, a lot suicide folks that i know of were 40-50 years old, maybe mid age crysis and the difference between growing up in soviet regime and living at the vastly different modern Lithuania hits people really hard, but then time should fix this as well and tbh this is totally offtopic, since im pretty sure reasons for suicide between lithuanians and koreans are quite different.
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On April 03 2012 14:56 Artok wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 14:53 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 14:46 Artok wrote:On April 03 2012 14:33 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 14:21 Artok wrote:On April 03 2012 14:00 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 13:38 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On April 03 2012 13:22 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 12:04 ecstatica wrote:On April 03 2012 09:17 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:[quote] Yes, I remember when you "called me out" (if calling someone out means immaturely slandering them), and I completely shut you down and you slinked back into the hole you crawled out of. I guess you're still asshurt. Get over it. As far as being a racist fuck? HAHAHA!! No idea how it's racist to say shit's tough in Lithuania. That's a fact. Thanks for trolling kthxbai. Don't pull shit out of your ass, grow up, kid, and stop the slander. Slimy and elusive? What the heck? XD I think I'm pretty damn straight-forward hahaha. Oh god, people like you are seriously off their rocker. "I don't like this guy's post despite it being true so I'll flame him to make my non-existent esteem better". So let me guess, Lithuania is a fucking utopia to live in, best country in the world, etc. That's what you're saying? HAHA! Come on kid, make me laugh some more XD. If all you're doing is looking at a GDP figure (which isn't very good anyways), then you have no case at all. When you've known people who've lived in Lithuania, when you've known people who have worked there, when you've read about it, etc., then come talk to me. It isn't a great place to live in comparing to many other developed countries. It's not something I like, especially because I love slavic folks, but it's the way it is . And if you're curious, yes, the suicide rate actually rose dramatically with the USSR's collapse, reaching as high as 46 per 100,000 during the mid-late 1990s, so the fact that you're denying statistical information shows how desperate you are to dig yourself out of that deep trench you fell into the last time you aggressively attacked me. Like with Russia (and other former Soviet countries), the 1990s was really, really tough economically and politically. Life got tougher. The economy basically nosedived and it was pretty chaotic. Crime and alcoholism and other things were on the rise bigtime. You had a hugely rising business oligarchic group in many of these former republics eating up a lot of the wealth while everyone else got shit on much worse than during the Soviet period. As previously mentioned, as a result of everything going shitty, suicides went way up. The suicide rate has come down somewhat by now, but obviously Lithuania is still on top of the world when it comes to that sort of thing. Since the turn of the millennium, things have been improving but it's still a long way to go. But yes, it is tougher social conditions, poverty, and other things in Lithuania that's basically caused the suicide rate to be that high during the 90s, and having the world's highest even to this day. If life was fine and dandy there, the suicide rate wouldn't be so high. Put it this way, if the US economy crashed, as in several times worse than the Great Depression, and things didn't even start getting better for a decade, I dare you to honestly tell me things would be so rosy lol. Sucks to have your ass handed to you again, doesn't it? Don't pick fights you can't win. Word of advice: Listen to some Metallica, preferably something from the Ride the Lightning or Master of Puppets albums (my faves), and chill out bro. \m/>_<\m/ I'm not going to argue with a demented person that pisses all over himself every time he gets called out on the ridiculous incomprehensive shit that he posts. I'll just point a few things out and hope to never read your filth again. Lithuanians make more on average or are at least on par with every other former soviet republic. If you actually went to Russia and then to Lithuania you would be shocked by a contrast. Lithuania does actually look like Europe. I know you "read a lot and know peepz" but I assure you - it is exactly the way I said it. How do I know? I lived in the region for 19 years and went to Lithuania multiple times. It might shock you but lithuanians are not slavs. The conversation should be over after that statement really. The only slavs that live there are ethnic russians. But I'm sure you know all of this. You attributed suicides to the collapse of communist governments but in fact no one even tries to claim this with any degree of certainty, especially since Hungary posted steadily decreasing suicide rates since the collapse. The number you provided for mid 1990s makes zero sense in this regard since Lithuania was doing a lot better economically back then compared to recently. And you also have every other soviet republic with worse economy yet lower suicide rates. Doesn't really compute. Throw Switzerland, Japan and SK in the mix. Even Finland is high on the list. Explain that purely through economics and youre a genius. Thanks for your shitty attempt at a history lesson - even as someone who lived there through all those years I wouldn't have said anything if it was remotely accurate (not even hard nowadays given wikipedia and google) but you couldn't even do that. You know what I meant by calling you out on being a racist, just like I did previously. Don't pretend to be an idiot, you don't even have to ffs. Go type up another adventure story about you hooking up with "oriental" girls of korean origin lmao. Someone sounds jealous . Also, all I said was that I've dated Asian girls when I was attacked for not liking Asians, by you I think it was, because I said kpop culture can sometimes be lolwtf. I didn't know a simple statement was writing adventure stories, but if you interpreted it that way, then whatever. In any case, I'm sorry I even mentioned I've dated Asian girls. It seems to have made you particularly angry XD! No wonder why you're so messed up and aggressive with me. I guess there was something else making you mad besides the fact I've thrown you in a bottomless pit two out of two times you've aggressively attacked me . I was just talking about Lithuania, not anywhere else btw. Since you had absolutely nothing to counter my point, you wrote a wall of text just to prove what a tryhard failure you are. XD. Oh boy, I love good entertainment. I won't lie. I also love the fact that I've said nothing racist and yet you're still raging like a dim-witted, mad drunk slandering me and calling me racist with no basis at all. Yeah, apparently it's racist to say the 1990s were a really shitty time in Lithuania. And let me guess, you would also say that it's racist to eat sushi and not be Japanese. LOL! Someone is seriously asshurt XD. You're so asshurt you're not even making sense . Btw, if apparently the US sucks so bad since we're referring to our first conversation now, why did you move from "Europe"? For your information, Europe isn't a country. Usually when you say you moved from somewhere, you say the country or state/province or city, not the continent. I guess you think Europe is a country though? LOL! That said, some Swedish dude already called you out on your bullshit in one of your posts (surprised not all of them), so it's all good. I'll just assume you're some 12 year-old kid and leave it at that. I'm actually looking at it optimistically, because no one in their late teens or 20s or older can possibly be as idiotic as you're acting like now without having some serious mental issue. I seriously suggest you chill out. Judging by your behavior, you probably go batshit insane raging when you lose a game in SC. That's not good, dude. My opinion of this squabble is that you are very condescending and you should have quit while you were ahead several posts ago. The post to which you replied is my third post in this thread. Several back would be in the negative. You know what they say. "When you're ahead, get more ahead." However, my main interest is in how entertaining this guy is. I missed Funday Monday, but this is almost as good. I can't say I'm that condescending, though. Putting a flaming, aggressive kid in his place after attacking me isn't condescending. I admit my tone came across that way given what I'm dealing with, but this guy's been terribly entertaining. I have suggested twice for him to chill out. Let's see if he keeps on going . I don't expect him to, and I'd sincerely like him to chill the fuck out, but she's got some serious beef with me. I mean, he attacked me once again when the last ordeal was a few weeks ago. He holds quite a grudge . I guess shutting him down hurt him deep last time. Tbh, I have no ire against him because I'm a chill guy and forgive and forget, but this guy's hating. + Show Spoiler +Now I'm not saying I'm perfect (far from it), but to call me very condescending is imo quite baseless, and makes me scratch my head a bit. You know, including kinda awkward people in on things despite getting questioning from my friends on why the heck I brought them along isn't condescending.. Helping druggies/depressives/etc. I've known turn their life around when practically everyone gave up on them isn't condescending. Helping Bronze players improve their skills and see what they need to be working on isn't condescending. Volunteering at homeless shelters helping people who have it worse than anyone isn't that sort of thing. And yes I fucking care about all these sorts of people, or else I wouldn't have bothered. And trust me, I didn't get anything in return for having done any of it. I could go on all night, but if you're claiming that I'm "very condescending" because I got some 5-star entertainment value out of hard-countering a guy who is attacking me for no rational reason at all, then I'd suggest you rethink that claim . On April 03 2012 13:12 Golgotha wrote:north korea is not why we are sad. the true reason lies within the strict and conformist culture we have and how it pervades into our politics, economics, and social structure. but to be honest...Korea is like the BEST place for sad folks. Seriously, you can drink the night away, eat mind blowing good food, club hopping, karaoke with friends, more drinking, smoking (beware of doing drugs in korea, it can get fked up for you ) and of course PC BANG! so much to do folks. so if u are depressed go there and have wicked fun. Sounds pretty cool, but America's Finest City is sick too. I gotta say, as far as drinking the night away goes, soju is pretty fucking awesome. During my spring break, I bought some Jinro, drank it, and hit parties/clubs and it was a hell of a lot of fun. I'd say I like soju almost as much as vodka as far as taste and strength go, and how much more awesome and fun parties get. Thank you Koreans for soju . may i interrupt, but this is getting hilarious, as well as that discussion about lithuania before ;O I'm having fun. No harm in that amirite. But finally. A Lithuanian. Now, can you shed some first-hand light on how things are over there? By that I mean living conditions of the general populace, societal issues, that sort of thing, that is contributing to a rather high suicide rate? My original point was the statistical fact that suicide rates hit extreme highs following the Soviet collapse, and while it has improved since the 90s, it is, well, still the highest in the world . Now, if you know about some of the related issues and if you could shed some light on them, that would be great for the discussion. Hmm, since i'm living in capital i can't really talk about smaller cities/villages, but i will write about what i noticed so far ;D Most of the suicide cases that i know of were because of alcoholism, debts or just because of life traumas. Alcoholism is actually caused by the "drink to be cool" mentality that came from soviet union and is still pretty big here, especially is smaller villages. Then debts and such can be associated with the collapse, because after that happened there were a lot of frauds and corruption, which led to massive debts and such, since now country is getting more and more stable, suicides because of this reason are becoming extinct. Then the 3rd reason that i mentioned is in no way affected by the collapse, ofcourse you could say that school bullying has been affected by the lifestyle that was "inspired" by soviet union, as in stronger is superior and smart doesn't mean anything, but i don't really know, on top of that some suicides are really silly, for example guy exploding himself because of his lover leaving him <.< To be fair, i don't even know why are people here loving suiciding, never thought too much about it, maybe im just being a bit ignorant. EDIT: oh yeah, sry for the bad quality of post, but i haven't slept whole night and im too tired to even bother fixing it ;/ Sad to hear . Well, hopefully with improving quality of life will come a further reduction in suicides, and that people who have suicidal tendencies learn to see more of the bright side of life. And with relevance to the thread, same goes with regard to Korea. oh ye, after thinking a bit more, a lot suicide folks that i know of were 40-50 years old, maybe mid age crysis and the difference between growing up in soviet regime and living at the vastly different modern Lithuania hits people really hard, but then time should fix this as well and tbh this is totally offtopic, since im pretty sure reasons for suicide between lithuanians and koreans are quite different.
Yeah, that's true. But suicide is suicide, and whatever the reason, it's usually takes a depressed and downtrodden person to do that sort of thing. What matters at the core is alleviating the issues causing high suicide rates. The main thing is inspiring people. If people can look more on the bright side of things, it doesn't get so bad to the point of suicide, no matter the ordeals. That's what matters. With will and hope, it can be overcome. Easier said than done (true story), but killing one's self is just tragic. It should not happen, for their sake and for their lives.
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On April 03 2012 15:05 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 14:56 Artok wrote:On April 03 2012 14:53 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 14:46 Artok wrote:On April 03 2012 14:33 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 14:21 Artok wrote:On April 03 2012 14:00 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 13:38 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On April 03 2012 13:22 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 12:04 ecstatica wrote:
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I'm not going to argue with a demented person that pisses all over himself every time he gets called out on the ridiculous incomprehensive shit that he posts. I'll just point a few things out and hope to never read your filth again.
Lithuanians make more on average or are at least on par with every other former soviet republic. If you actually went to Russia and then to Lithuania you would be shocked by a contrast. Lithuania does actually look like Europe. I know you "read a lot and know peepz" but I assure you - it is exactly the way I said it. How do I know? I lived in the region for 19 years and went to Lithuania multiple times.
It might shock you but lithuanians are not slavs. The conversation should be over after that statement really. The only slavs that live there are ethnic russians. But I'm sure you know all of this.
You attributed suicides to the collapse of communist governments but in fact no one even tries to claim this with any degree of certainty, especially since Hungary posted steadily decreasing suicide rates since the collapse. The number you provided for mid 1990s makes zero sense in this regard since Lithuania was doing a lot better economically back then compared to recently. And you also have every other soviet republic with worse economy yet lower suicide rates. Doesn't really compute. Throw Switzerland, Japan and SK in the mix. Even Finland is high on the list. Explain that purely through economics and youre a genius.
Thanks for your shitty attempt at a history lesson - even as someone who lived there through all those years I wouldn't have said anything if it was remotely accurate (not even hard nowadays given wikipedia and google) but you couldn't even do that.
You know what I meant by calling you out on being a racist, just like I did previously. Don't pretend to be an idiot, you don't even have to ffs. Go type up another adventure story about you hooking up with "oriental" girls of korean origin lmao.
Someone sounds jealous . Also, all I said was that I've dated Asian girls when I was attacked for not liking Asians, by you I think it was, because I said kpop culture can sometimes be lolwtf. I didn't know a simple statement was writing adventure stories, but if you interpreted it that way, then whatever. In any case, I'm sorry I even mentioned I've dated Asian girls. It seems to have made you particularly angry XD! No wonder why you're so messed up and aggressive with me. I guess there was something else making you mad besides the fact I've thrown you in a bottomless pit two out of two times you've aggressively attacked me . I was just talking about Lithuania, not anywhere else btw. Since you had absolutely nothing to counter my point, you wrote a wall of text just to prove what a tryhard failure you are. XD. Oh boy, I love good entertainment. I won't lie. I also love the fact that I've said nothing racist and yet you're still raging like a dim-witted, mad drunk slandering me and calling me racist with no basis at all. Yeah, apparently it's racist to say the 1990s were a really shitty time in Lithuania. And let me guess, you would also say that it's racist to eat sushi and not be Japanese. LOL! Someone is seriously asshurt XD. You're so asshurt you're not even making sense . Btw, if apparently the US sucks so bad since we're referring to our first conversation now, why did you move from "Europe"? For your information, Europe isn't a country. Usually when you say you moved from somewhere, you say the country or state/province or city, not the continent. I guess you think Europe is a country though? LOL! That said, some Swedish dude already called you out on your bullshit in one of your posts (surprised not all of them), so it's all good. I'll just assume you're some 12 year-old kid and leave it at that. I'm actually looking at it optimistically, because no one in their late teens or 20s or older can possibly be as idiotic as you're acting like now without having some serious mental issue. I seriously suggest you chill out. Judging by your behavior, you probably go batshit insane raging when you lose a game in SC. That's not good, dude. My opinion of this squabble is that you are very condescending and you should have quit while you were ahead several posts ago. The post to which you replied is my third post in this thread. Several back would be in the negative. You know what they say. "When you're ahead, get more ahead." However, my main interest is in how entertaining this guy is. I missed Funday Monday, but this is almost as good. I can't say I'm that condescending, though. Putting a flaming, aggressive kid in his place after attacking me isn't condescending. I admit my tone came across that way given what I'm dealing with, but this guy's been terribly entertaining. I have suggested twice for him to chill out. Let's see if he keeps on going . I don't expect him to, and I'd sincerely like him to chill the fuck out, but she's got some serious beef with me. I mean, he attacked me once again when the last ordeal was a few weeks ago. He holds quite a grudge . I guess shutting him down hurt him deep last time. Tbh, I have no ire against him because I'm a chill guy and forgive and forget, but this guy's hating. + Show Spoiler +Now I'm not saying I'm perfect (far from it), but to call me very condescending is imo quite baseless, and makes me scratch my head a bit. You know, including kinda awkward people in on things despite getting questioning from my friends on why the heck I brought them along isn't condescending.. Helping druggies/depressives/etc. I've known turn their life around when practically everyone gave up on them isn't condescending. Helping Bronze players improve their skills and see what they need to be working on isn't condescending. Volunteering at homeless shelters helping people who have it worse than anyone isn't that sort of thing. And yes I fucking care about all these sorts of people, or else I wouldn't have bothered. And trust me, I didn't get anything in return for having done any of it. I could go on all night, but if you're claiming that I'm "very condescending" because I got some 5-star entertainment value out of hard-countering a guy who is attacking me for no rational reason at all, then I'd suggest you rethink that claim . On April 03 2012 13:12 Golgotha wrote:north korea is not why we are sad. the true reason lies within the strict and conformist culture we have and how it pervades into our politics, economics, and social structure. but to be honest...Korea is like the BEST place for sad folks. Seriously, you can drink the night away, eat mind blowing good food, club hopping, karaoke with friends, more drinking, smoking (beware of doing drugs in korea, it can get fked up for you ) and of course PC BANG! so much to do folks. so if u are depressed go there and have wicked fun. Sounds pretty cool, but America's Finest City is sick too. I gotta say, as far as drinking the night away goes, soju is pretty fucking awesome. During my spring break, I bought some Jinro, drank it, and hit parties/clubs and it was a hell of a lot of fun. I'd say I like soju almost as much as vodka as far as taste and strength go, and how much more awesome and fun parties get. Thank you Koreans for soju . may i interrupt, but this is getting hilarious, as well as that discussion about lithuania before ;O I'm having fun. No harm in that amirite. But finally. A Lithuanian. Now, can you shed some first-hand light on how things are over there? By that I mean living conditions of the general populace, societal issues, that sort of thing, that is contributing to a rather high suicide rate? My original point was the statistical fact that suicide rates hit extreme highs following the Soviet collapse, and while it has improved since the 90s, it is, well, still the highest in the world . Now, if you know about some of the related issues and if you could shed some light on them, that would be great for the discussion. Hmm, since i'm living in capital i can't really talk about smaller cities/villages, but i will write about what i noticed so far ;D Most of the suicide cases that i know of were because of alcoholism, debts or just because of life traumas. Alcoholism is actually caused by the "drink to be cool" mentality that came from soviet union and is still pretty big here, especially is smaller villages. Then debts and such can be associated with the collapse, because after that happened there were a lot of frauds and corruption, which led to massive debts and such, since now country is getting more and more stable, suicides because of this reason are becoming extinct. Then the 3rd reason that i mentioned is in no way affected by the collapse, ofcourse you could say that school bullying has been affected by the lifestyle that was "inspired" by soviet union, as in stronger is superior and smart doesn't mean anything, but i don't really know, on top of that some suicides are really silly, for example guy exploding himself because of his lover leaving him <.< To be fair, i don't even know why are people here loving suiciding, never thought too much about it, maybe im just being a bit ignorant. EDIT: oh yeah, sry for the bad quality of post, but i haven't slept whole night and im too tired to even bother fixing it ;/ Sad to hear . Well, hopefully with improving quality of life will come a further reduction in suicides, and that people who have suicidal tendencies learn to see more of the bright side of life. And with relevance to the thread, same goes with regard to Korea. oh ye, after thinking a bit more, a lot suicide folks that i know of were 40-50 years old, maybe mid age crysis and the difference between growing up in soviet regime and living at the vastly different modern Lithuania hits people really hard, but then time should fix this as well and tbh this is totally offtopic, since im pretty sure reasons for suicide between lithuanians and koreans are quite different. Yeah, that's true. But suicide is suicide, and whatever the reason, it's usually takes a depressed and downtrodden person to do that sort of thing. What matters at the core is alleviating the issues causing high suicide rates. The main thing is inspiring people. If people can look more on the bright side of things, it doesn't get so bad to the point of suicide, no matter the ordeals. That's what matters. With will and hope, it can be overcome. Easier said than done (true story), but killing one's self is just tragic. It should not happen, for their sake and for their lives.
one of reasons may as well be media, which does so many shows about huge suicide rate etc, people see others suiciding, something sad happens and they start seeing suicide as a normal course of actions.
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On April 03 2012 14:53 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 14:46 Artok wrote:On April 03 2012 14:33 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 14:21 Artok wrote:On April 03 2012 14:00 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 13:38 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On April 03 2012 13:22 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 12:04 ecstatica wrote:On April 03 2012 09:17 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 02:50 ecstatica wrote:
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Lithuania doing great compared to former soviet republics. That is absolutely the opposite of what you wrote. I would also like you to list "many issues" that Lithuania has derived directly from the downfall of USSR. Real curious here!
I called you out on posting bs previously, you also need to stop being a racist fuck and taking stabs at asians, or "orientals" as you call them. This is not the first time for you, you're always kind of slimy and elusive by not being direct but it is still pretty obvious. Yes, I remember when you "called me out" (if calling someone out means immaturely slandering them), and I completely shut you down and you slinked back into the hole you crawled out of. I guess you're still asshurt. Get over it. As far as being a racist fuck? HAHAHA!! No idea how it's racist to say shit's tough in Lithuania. That's a fact. Thanks for trolling kthxbai. Don't pull shit out of your ass, grow up, kid, and stop the slander. Slimy and elusive? What the heck? XD I think I'm pretty damn straight-forward hahaha. Oh god, people like you are seriously off their rocker. "I don't like this guy's post despite it being true so I'll flame him to make my non-existent esteem better". So let me guess, Lithuania is a fucking utopia to live in, best country in the world, etc. That's what you're saying? HAHA! Come on kid, make me laugh some more XD. If all you're doing is looking at a GDP figure (which isn't very good anyways), then you have no case at all. When you've known people who've lived in Lithuania, when you've known people who have worked there, when you've read about it, etc., then come talk to me. It isn't a great place to live in comparing to many other developed countries. It's not something I like, especially because I love slavic folks, but it's the way it is . And if you're curious, yes, the suicide rate actually rose dramatically with the USSR's collapse, reaching as high as 46 per 100,000 during the mid-late 1990s, so the fact that you're denying statistical information shows how desperate you are to dig yourself out of that deep trench you fell into the last time you aggressively attacked me. Like with Russia (and other former Soviet countries), the 1990s was really, really tough economically and politically. Life got tougher. The economy basically nosedived and it was pretty chaotic. Crime and alcoholism and other things were on the rise bigtime. You had a hugely rising business oligarchic group in many of these former republics eating up a lot of the wealth while everyone else got shit on much worse than during the Soviet period. As previously mentioned, as a result of everything going shitty, suicides went way up. The suicide rate has come down somewhat by now, but obviously Lithuania is still on top of the world when it comes to that sort of thing. Since the turn of the millennium, things have been improving but it's still a long way to go. But yes, it is tougher social conditions, poverty, and other things in Lithuania that's basically caused the suicide rate to be that high during the 90s, and having the world's highest even to this day. If life was fine and dandy there, the suicide rate wouldn't be so high. Put it this way, if the US economy crashed, as in several times worse than the Great Depression, and things didn't even start getting better for a decade, I dare you to honestly tell me things would be so rosy lol. Sucks to have your ass handed to you again, doesn't it? Don't pick fights you can't win. Word of advice: Listen to some Metallica, preferably something from the Ride the Lightning or Master of Puppets albums (my faves), and chill out bro. \m/>_<\m/ I'm not going to argue with a demented person that pisses all over himself every time he gets called out on the ridiculous incomprehensive shit that he posts. I'll just point a few things out and hope to never read your filth again. Lithuanians make more on average or are at least on par with every other former soviet republic. If you actually went to Russia and then to Lithuania you would be shocked by a contrast. Lithuania does actually look like Europe. I know you "read a lot and know peepz" but I assure you - it is exactly the way I said it. How do I know? I lived in the region for 19 years and went to Lithuania multiple times. It might shock you but lithuanians are not slavs. The conversation should be over after that statement really. The only slavs that live there are ethnic russians. But I'm sure you know all of this. You attributed suicides to the collapse of communist governments but in fact no one even tries to claim this with any degree of certainty, especially since Hungary posted steadily decreasing suicide rates since the collapse. The number you provided for mid 1990s makes zero sense in this regard since Lithuania was doing a lot better economically back then compared to recently. And you also have every other soviet republic with worse economy yet lower suicide rates. Doesn't really compute. Throw Switzerland, Japan and SK in the mix. Even Finland is high on the list. Explain that purely through economics and youre a genius. Thanks for your shitty attempt at a history lesson - even as someone who lived there through all those years I wouldn't have said anything if it was remotely accurate (not even hard nowadays given wikipedia and google) but you couldn't even do that. You know what I meant by calling you out on being a racist, just like I did previously. Don't pretend to be an idiot, you don't even have to ffs. Go type up another adventure story about you hooking up with "oriental" girls of korean origin lmao. Someone sounds jealous . Also, all I said was that I've dated Asian girls when I was attacked for not liking Asians, by you I think it was, because I said kpop culture can sometimes be lolwtf. I didn't know a simple statement was writing adventure stories, but if you interpreted it that way, then whatever. In any case, I'm sorry I even mentioned I've dated Asian girls. It seems to have made you particularly angry XD! No wonder why you're so messed up and aggressive with me. I guess there was something else making you mad besides the fact I've thrown you in a bottomless pit two out of two times you've aggressively attacked me . I was just talking about Lithuania, not anywhere else btw. Since you had absolutely nothing to counter my point, you wrote a wall of text just to prove what a tryhard failure you are. XD. Oh boy, I love good entertainment. I won't lie. I also love the fact that I've said nothing racist and yet you're still raging like a dim-witted, mad drunk slandering me and calling me racist with no basis at all. Yeah, apparently it's racist to say the 1990s were a really shitty time in Lithuania. And let me guess, you would also say that it's racist to eat sushi and not be Japanese. LOL! Someone is seriously asshurt XD. You're so asshurt you're not even making sense . Btw, if apparently the US sucks so bad since we're referring to our first conversation now, why did you move from "Europe"? For your information, Europe isn't a country. Usually when you say you moved from somewhere, you say the country or state/province or city, not the continent. I guess you think Europe is a country though? LOL! That said, some Swedish dude already called you out on your bullshit in one of your posts (surprised not all of them), so it's all good. I'll just assume you're some 12 year-old kid and leave it at that. I'm actually looking at it optimistically, because no one in their late teens or 20s or older can possibly be as idiotic as you're acting like now without having some serious mental issue. I seriously suggest you chill out. Judging by your behavior, you probably go batshit insane raging when you lose a game in SC. That's not good, dude. My opinion of this squabble is that you are very condescending and you should have quit while you were ahead several posts ago. The post to which you replied is my third post in this thread. Several back would be in the negative. You know what they say. "When you're ahead, get more ahead." However, my main interest is in how entertaining this guy is. I missed Funday Monday, but this is almost as good. I can't say I'm that condescending, though. Putting a flaming, aggressive kid in his place after attacking me isn't condescending. I admit my tone came across that way given what I'm dealing with, but this guy's been terribly entertaining. I have suggested twice for him to chill out. Let's see if he keeps on going . I don't expect him to, and I'd sincerely like him to chill the fuck out, but she's got some serious beef with me. I mean, he attacked me once again when the last ordeal was a few weeks ago. He holds quite a grudge . I guess shutting him down hurt him deep last time. Tbh, I have no ire against him because I'm a chill guy and forgive and forget, but this guy's hating. + Show Spoiler +Now I'm not saying I'm perfect (far from it), but to call me very condescending is imo quite baseless, and makes me scratch my head a bit. You know, including kinda awkward people in on things despite getting questioning from my friends on why the heck I brought them along isn't condescending.. Helping druggies/depressives/etc. I've known turn their life around when practically everyone gave up on them isn't condescending. Helping Bronze players improve their skills and see what they need to be working on isn't condescending. Volunteering at homeless shelters helping people who have it worse than anyone isn't that sort of thing. And yes I fucking care about all these sorts of people, or else I wouldn't have bothered. And trust me, I didn't get anything in return for having done any of it. I could go on all night, but if you're claiming that I'm "very condescending" because I got some 5-star entertainment value out of hard-countering a guy who is attacking me for no rational reason at all, then I'd suggest you rethink that claim . On April 03 2012 13:12 Golgotha wrote:north korea is not why we are sad. the true reason lies within the strict and conformist culture we have and how it pervades into our politics, economics, and social structure. but to be honest...Korea is like the BEST place for sad folks. Seriously, you can drink the night away, eat mind blowing good food, club hopping, karaoke with friends, more drinking, smoking (beware of doing drugs in korea, it can get fked up for you ) and of course PC BANG! so much to do folks. so if u are depressed go there and have wicked fun. Sounds pretty cool, but America's Finest City is sick too. I gotta say, as far as drinking the night away goes, soju is pretty fucking awesome. During my spring break, I bought some Jinro, drank it, and hit parties/clubs and it was a hell of a lot of fun. I'd say I like soju almost as much as vodka as far as taste and strength go, and how much more awesome and fun parties get. Thank you Koreans for soju . may i interrupt, but this is getting hilarious, as well as that discussion about lithuania before ;O I'm having fun. No harm in that amirite. But finally. A Lithuanian. Now, can you shed some first-hand light on how things are over there? By that I mean living conditions of the general populace, societal issues, that sort of thing, that is contributing to a rather high suicide rate? My original point was the statistical fact that suicide rates hit extreme highs following the Soviet collapse, and while it has improved since the 90s, it is, well, still the highest in the world . Now, if you know about some of the related issues and if you could shed some light on them, that would be great for the discussion. Hmm, since i'm living in capital i can't really talk about smaller cities/villages, but i will write about what i noticed so far ;D Most of the suicide cases that i know of were because of alcoholism, debts or just because of life traumas. Alcoholism is actually caused by the "drink to be cool" mentality that came from soviet union and is still pretty big here, especially is smaller villages. Then debts and such can be associated with the collapse, because after that happened there were a lot of frauds and corruption, which led to massive debts and such, since now country is getting more and more stable, suicides because of this reason are becoming extinct. Then the 3rd reason that i mentioned is in no way affected by the collapse, ofcourse you could say that school bullying has been affected by the lifestyle that was "inspired" by soviet union, as in stronger is superior and smart doesn't mean anything, but i don't really know, on top of that some suicides are really silly, for example guy exploding himself because of his lover leaving him <.< To be fair, i don't even know why are people here loving suiciding, never thought too much about it, maybe im just being a bit ignorant. EDIT: oh yeah, sry for the bad quality of post, but i haven't slept whole night and im too tired to even bother fixing it ;/ Sad to hear . Well, hopefully with improving quality of life will come a further reduction in suicides, and that people who have suicidal tendencies learn to see more of the bright side of life. And with relevance to the thread, same goes with regard to Korea. Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 14:47 Golgotha wrote:On April 03 2012 14:39 RancidTurnip wrote:On April 03 2012 11:09 jellyjello wrote:
Korea is the perfect case of rich getting richer (no wonder people are unhappy). The government does very little to protect small businesses that have the potential to grow. The end result is that these businesses stay stagnant instead of being invested and expanding further. Any surplus that these shop owners make, instead, goes to the real state (if not savings account) due to the heavy involvement of the Korean government in the land development (this is a whole another topic).
I want to quote this just because of how true I believe it to be. Small businesses ,which do a large part in the growth of the economy, jobs, and production, are becoming downtrodden in the economic stagnation. This, in turn, only serves to exasperate the problem. When the majority of workers are working for the same corporations, there is no competition among employers, and the employees have less job security, less pay, and more hours. The only people that are winning in the stagnation of small business, are the people running the corporations. Not the whole picture, but it's a big cause of the increasing wealth disparity between those on top and those at the bottom. Did internship with Korean Education Ministry and this sentiment is widespread. The government knows this is an issue and they are actually trying to make amends. One specific thing they are trying to do is lessen the stranglehold that Samsung has over Korean economics. Recently, there was an outrage that Samsung was spreading into every damn market in Korea, such as bakeries....kinda hard to compete with a multi-billion dollar bakery... HOWEVER, samsung has so many lobbyists and politicians waiting to do their bidding....they ain't gonna take this easily. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Korean conglomerates run an overwhelming part of the economy? How can the govt. beat that kind of power? Heck, even in the US we have tons of corporations and tons of business of all sizes, and yet we still have a lobbying problem :s. How is it over in Korea (besides what you already commented on)? Because if the conglomerates run the show, what can the govt. do?
Korean government has a lot of power; they just choose to not exercise it. The corruption is still a part of the problem, but ultimately it comes down to the lack of interest in the political scene from everyone. Only recently it's been picking up. Korea has now entered into what I'd call "Second generation" era, meaning those who experienced the highs of Korean growth (such as 1988 Olympics) are now entering their middle age. This is going to be a very interest next few years in the Korean politics. Media are already adapting to the new change; they are focusing more on the politics, TV news stations are holding more debates, more media coverages on cracking down dubious policies or lawmakers using hidden cameras.
Comparing US politic to Korean politic is like comparing Iphone4 to first generation cordless phone.
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On April 03 2012 14:53 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 14:46 Artok wrote:On April 03 2012 14:33 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 14:21 Artok wrote:On April 03 2012 14:00 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 13:38 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On April 03 2012 13:22 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 12:04 ecstatica wrote:On April 03 2012 09:17 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On April 03 2012 02:50 ecstatica wrote:
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Lithuania doing great compared to former soviet republics. That is absolutely the opposite of what you wrote. I would also like you to list "many issues" that Lithuania has derived directly from the downfall of USSR. Real curious here!
I called you out on posting bs previously, you also need to stop being a racist fuck and taking stabs at asians, or "orientals" as you call them. This is not the first time for you, you're always kind of slimy and elusive by not being direct but it is still pretty obvious. Yes, I remember when you "called me out" (if calling someone out means immaturely slandering them), and I completely shut you down and you slinked back into the hole you crawled out of. I guess you're still asshurt. Get over it. As far as being a racist fuck? HAHAHA!! No idea how it's racist to say shit's tough in Lithuania. That's a fact. Thanks for trolling kthxbai. Don't pull shit out of your ass, grow up, kid, and stop the slander. Slimy and elusive? What the heck? XD I think I'm pretty damn straight-forward hahaha. Oh god, people like you are seriously off their rocker. "I don't like this guy's post despite it being true so I'll flame him to make my non-existent esteem better". So let me guess, Lithuania is a fucking utopia to live in, best country in the world, etc. That's what you're saying? HAHA! Come on kid, make me laugh some more XD. If all you're doing is looking at a GDP figure (which isn't very good anyways), then you have no case at all. When you've known people who've lived in Lithuania, when you've known people who have worked there, when you've read about it, etc., then come talk to me. It isn't a great place to live in comparing to many other developed countries. It's not something I like, especially because I love slavic folks, but it's the way it is . And if you're curious, yes, the suicide rate actually rose dramatically with the USSR's collapse, reaching as high as 46 per 100,000 during the mid-late 1990s, so the fact that you're denying statistical information shows how desperate you are to dig yourself out of that deep trench you fell into the last time you aggressively attacked me. Like with Russia (and other former Soviet countries), the 1990s was really, really tough economically and politically. Life got tougher. The economy basically nosedived and it was pretty chaotic. Crime and alcoholism and other things were on the rise bigtime. You had a hugely rising business oligarchic group in many of these former republics eating up a lot of the wealth while everyone else got shit on much worse than during the Soviet period. As previously mentioned, as a result of everything going shitty, suicides went way up. The suicide rate has come down somewhat by now, but obviously Lithuania is still on top of the world when it comes to that sort of thing. Since the turn of the millennium, things have been improving but it's still a long way to go. But yes, it is tougher social conditions, poverty, and other things in Lithuania that's basically caused the suicide rate to be that high during the 90s, and having the world's highest even to this day. If life was fine and dandy there, the suicide rate wouldn't be so high. Put it this way, if the US economy crashed, as in several times worse than the Great Depression, and things didn't even start getting better for a decade, I dare you to honestly tell me things would be so rosy lol. Sucks to have your ass handed to you again, doesn't it? Don't pick fights you can't win. Word of advice: Listen to some Metallica, preferably something from the Ride the Lightning or Master of Puppets albums (my faves), and chill out bro. \m/>_<\m/ I'm not going to argue with a demented person that pisses all over himself every time he gets called out on the ridiculous incomprehensive shit that he posts. I'll just point a few things out and hope to never read your filth again. Lithuanians make more on average or are at least on par with every other former soviet republic. If you actually went to Russia and then to Lithuania you would be shocked by a contrast. Lithuania does actually look like Europe. I know you "read a lot and know peepz" but I assure you - it is exactly the way I said it. How do I know? I lived in the region for 19 years and went to Lithuania multiple times. It might shock you but lithuanians are not slavs. The conversation should be over after that statement really. The only slavs that live there are ethnic russians. But I'm sure you know all of this. You attributed suicides to the collapse of communist governments but in fact no one even tries to claim this with any degree of certainty, especially since Hungary posted steadily decreasing suicide rates since the collapse. The number you provided for mid 1990s makes zero sense in this regard since Lithuania was doing a lot better economically back then compared to recently. And you also have every other soviet republic with worse economy yet lower suicide rates. Doesn't really compute. Throw Switzerland, Japan and SK in the mix. Even Finland is high on the list. Explain that purely through economics and youre a genius. Thanks for your shitty attempt at a history lesson - even as someone who lived there through all those years I wouldn't have said anything if it was remotely accurate (not even hard nowadays given wikipedia and google) but you couldn't even do that. You know what I meant by calling you out on being a racist, just like I did previously. Don't pretend to be an idiot, you don't even have to ffs. Go type up another adventure story about you hooking up with "oriental" girls of korean origin lmao. Someone sounds jealous . Also, all I said was that I've dated Asian girls when I was attacked for not liking Asians, by you I think it was, because I said kpop culture can sometimes be lolwtf. I didn't know a simple statement was writing adventure stories, but if you interpreted it that way, then whatever. In any case, I'm sorry I even mentioned I've dated Asian girls. It seems to have made you particularly angry XD! No wonder why you're so messed up and aggressive with me. I guess there was something else making you mad besides the fact I've thrown you in a bottomless pit two out of two times you've aggressively attacked me . I was just talking about Lithuania, not anywhere else btw. Since you had absolutely nothing to counter my point, you wrote a wall of text just to prove what a tryhard failure you are. XD. Oh boy, I love good entertainment. I won't lie. I also love the fact that I've said nothing racist and yet you're still raging like a dim-witted, mad drunk slandering me and calling me racist with no basis at all. Yeah, apparently it's racist to say the 1990s were a really shitty time in Lithuania. And let me guess, you would also say that it's racist to eat sushi and not be Japanese. LOL! Someone is seriously asshurt XD. You're so asshurt you're not even making sense . Btw, if apparently the US sucks so bad since we're referring to our first conversation now, why did you move from "Europe"? For your information, Europe isn't a country. Usually when you say you moved from somewhere, you say the country or state/province or city, not the continent. I guess you think Europe is a country though? LOL! That said, some Swedish dude already called you out on your bullshit in one of your posts (surprised not all of them), so it's all good. I'll just assume you're some 12 year-old kid and leave it at that. I'm actually looking at it optimistically, because no one in their late teens or 20s or older can possibly be as idiotic as you're acting like now without having some serious mental issue. I seriously suggest you chill out. Judging by your behavior, you probably go batshit insane raging when you lose a game in SC. That's not good, dude. My opinion of this squabble is that you are very condescending and you should have quit while you were ahead several posts ago. The post to which you replied is my third post in this thread. Several back would be in the negative. You know what they say. "When you're ahead, get more ahead." However, my main interest is in how entertaining this guy is. I missed Funday Monday, but this is almost as good. I can't say I'm that condescending, though. Putting a flaming, aggressive kid in his place after attacking me isn't condescending. I admit my tone came across that way given what I'm dealing with, but this guy's been terribly entertaining. I have suggested twice for him to chill out. Let's see if he keeps on going . I don't expect him to, and I'd sincerely like him to chill the fuck out, but she's got some serious beef with me. I mean, he attacked me once again when the last ordeal was a few weeks ago. He holds quite a grudge . I guess shutting him down hurt him deep last time. Tbh, I have no ire against him because I'm a chill guy and forgive and forget, but this guy's hating. + Show Spoiler +Now I'm not saying I'm perfect (far from it), but to call me very condescending is imo quite baseless, and makes me scratch my head a bit. You know, including kinda awkward people in on things despite getting questioning from my friends on why the heck I brought them along isn't condescending.. Helping druggies/depressives/etc. I've known turn their life around when practically everyone gave up on them isn't condescending. Helping Bronze players improve their skills and see what they need to be working on isn't condescending. Volunteering at homeless shelters helping people who have it worse than anyone isn't that sort of thing. And yes I fucking care about all these sorts of people, or else I wouldn't have bothered. And trust me, I didn't get anything in return for having done any of it. I could go on all night, but if you're claiming that I'm "very condescending" because I got some 5-star entertainment value out of hard-countering a guy who is attacking me for no rational reason at all, then I'd suggest you rethink that claim . On April 03 2012 13:12 Golgotha wrote:north korea is not why we are sad. the true reason lies within the strict and conformist culture we have and how it pervades into our politics, economics, and social structure. but to be honest...Korea is like the BEST place for sad folks. Seriously, you can drink the night away, eat mind blowing good food, club hopping, karaoke with friends, more drinking, smoking (beware of doing drugs in korea, it can get fked up for you ) and of course PC BANG! so much to do folks. so if u are depressed go there and have wicked fun. Sounds pretty cool, but America's Finest City is sick too. I gotta say, as far as drinking the night away goes, soju is pretty fucking awesome. During my spring break, I bought some Jinro, drank it, and hit parties/clubs and it was a hell of a lot of fun. I'd say I like soju almost as much as vodka as far as taste and strength go, and how much more awesome and fun parties get. Thank you Koreans for soju . may i interrupt, but this is getting hilarious, as well as that discussion about lithuania before ;O I'm having fun. No harm in that amirite. But finally. A Lithuanian. Now, can you shed some first-hand light on how things are over there? By that I mean living conditions of the general populace, societal issues, that sort of thing, that is contributing to a rather high suicide rate? My original point was the statistical fact that suicide rates hit extreme highs following the Soviet collapse, and while it has improved since the 90s, it is, well, still the highest in the world . Now, if you know about some of the related issues and if you could shed some light on them, that would be great for the discussion. Hmm, since i'm living in capital i can't really talk about smaller cities/villages, but i will write about what i noticed so far ;D Most of the suicide cases that i know of were because of alcoholism, debts or just because of life traumas. Alcoholism is actually caused by the "drink to be cool" mentality that came from soviet union and is still pretty big here, especially is smaller villages. Then debts and such can be associated with the collapse, because after that happened there were a lot of frauds and corruption, which led to massive debts and such, since now country is getting more and more stable, suicides because of this reason are becoming extinct. Then the 3rd reason that i mentioned is in no way affected by the collapse, ofcourse you could say that school bullying has been affected by the lifestyle that was "inspired" by soviet union, as in stronger is superior and smart doesn't mean anything, but i don't really know, on top of that some suicides are really silly, for example guy exploding himself because of his lover leaving him <.< To be fair, i don't even know why are people here loving suiciding, never thought too much about it, maybe im just being a bit ignorant. EDIT: oh yeah, sry for the bad quality of post, but i haven't slept whole night and im too tired to even bother fixing it ;/ Sad to hear . Well, hopefully with improving quality of life will come a further reduction in suicides, and that people who have suicidal tendencies learn to see more of the bright side of life. And with relevance to the thread, same goes with regard to Korea. Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 14:47 Golgotha wrote:On April 03 2012 14:39 RancidTurnip wrote:On April 03 2012 11:09 jellyjello wrote:
Korea is the perfect case of rich getting richer (no wonder people are unhappy). The government does very little to protect small businesses that have the potential to grow. The end result is that these businesses stay stagnant instead of being invested and expanding further. Any surplus that these shop owners make, instead, goes to the real state (if not savings account) due to the heavy involvement of the Korean government in the land development (this is a whole another topic).
I want to quote this just because of how true I believe it to be. Small businesses ,which do a large part in the growth of the economy, jobs, and production, are becoming downtrodden in the economic stagnation. This, in turn, only serves to exasperate the problem. When the majority of workers are working for the same corporations, there is no competition among employers, and the employees have less job security, less pay, and more hours. The only people that are winning in the stagnation of small business, are the people running the corporations. Not the whole picture, but it's a big cause of the increasing wealth disparity between those on top and those at the bottom. Did internship with Korean Education Ministry and this sentiment is widespread. The government knows this is an issue and they are actually trying to make amends. One specific thing they are trying to do is lessen the stranglehold that Samsung has over Korean economics. Recently, there was an outrage that Samsung was spreading into every damn market in Korea, such as bakeries....kinda hard to compete with a multi-billion dollar bakery... HOWEVER, samsung has so many lobbyists and politicians waiting to do their bidding....they ain't gonna take this easily. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Korean conglomerates run an overwhelming part of the economy? How can the govt. beat that kind of power? Heck, even in the US we have tons of corporations and tons of business of all sizes, and yet we still have a lobbying problem :s. How is it over in Korea (besides what you already commented on)? Because if the conglomerates run the show, what can the govt. do?
yup exactly what I am talking about. well, like I said it's gonna be fking tough. HOWEVER, the public is starting to become more aware of this situation and more and more are backing the government. This gives them some leverage over the conglomerates. Also, technical wise, they will TRY to reform the structure of these conglomerates so that one man (especially the CEO of Samsung) is not allowed to hold so much power in multiple markets. Currently, the Samsung CEO only has small shares in various sectors of his corporation and businesses, bypassing the problem of being a monopoly. However, in actuality he runs the whole damn show and everyone knows he is the big boss. That is why Samsung can be everywhere and yet not appear to be everywhere.
oh and subsidies for small businesses are a big thing to make it a more level playing field. hoped this helped and I am sorry I do not know more!
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First off, lol at the topic starter's name being "optimism" :D.
Moving on, I'd like to give a bit of anecdotal evidence of the economic problems in Korea. I don't know too much about them and I haven't really done my research, but there are families that come over from Korea when the parents are as old as 50 to 60 years old in order to find new careers. At that age, its very scary to think that they need to begin all over again with no pension, no securities, can't speak the language, etc. But they honestly have no choice. At the age of 50 or so, these men (with children in their late teens) lose their jobs to younger employees and are often left with no retirement money back in Korea. It's impossible for them to survive in Korea, and despite the fact that they have such a minimal chance in finding a job in America (some of these families are illegal immigrants mind you), they still believe they have a better chance in America than in their home country.
As for the youth, I also believe that their school hours and their cultural disposition towards senseless overworking is causing massive issues in terms of their happiness. My father (back in the 1970's) attended one of the best high schools in Seoul. He said that the competition was insane. Everyone had to study non-stop. He said that if a student were to stop studying for 1 week, that student could drop from the top 10 or so into absolute oblivion. When I was in high school, I probably could've stopped studying for a month straight and my rank would've dropped at most 1 or 2 places. Today, the students have to study just as much, but if it is true that they still have barely a chance at finding a job, I can see why they would hate their lives. No security despite overworking themselves.
Lastly, and this is a strongly opinionated thought, I hate the shallow modern culture of Korea (I'm American with Korean immigrant parents). I've once read an article saying that in America, the people who are the hardest working at what they do aren't doctors, lawyers, politicians, etc, but instead "popular" high school students. American high school students invest the most amount of energy, time and money into becoming popular that it becomes obsessive. Although I will admit that this may be a bit exaggerated, this mindset has sprouted up in Korea in the recent 10 or so years. With all the plastic surgery and concern about every minute physical detail of their bodies, Korean students don't only have to worry about their studies, but also about their looks. I won't go to far into this, as there has been a lot of discussion over in the recent blog on this topic, but I believe that this mindset does not help the rising stress problems for the South Korean students. In fact, I would not doubt if this is a result of the pressure, as students who cannot keep up in studies (or maybe even are just status quo) seek new means of separating themselves from the packs.
Personally, I think Korea's accelerated success and flaws in their culture make for very unhappy people. Until they learn to change their mindset, they will continue to drill themselves into a worse and worse position until only drastic change will correct their situation.
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I thought the article was a great read and highly correlative with a lot of other media I've come upon. I've noticed the TL community houses a fair number of people who regard korea as a type of gaming utopia and tend to idolize anything Korean. Hopefully this article gives them a more open glimpse into the real situation.
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On April 02 2012 18:53 Maitolasi wrote:
Korean children study twice as many hours as Finnish children? What the hell? Do they have 12 hour days in school?
I can't see how having no hobbies or time with friends is in any way healthy for children.
Yes... yes they do. My parents tell me how the went to school in the morning and came back after it was dark then studied late every day
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I think this article is a bit over the top. It makes Korea to sound like a slave driven hell hole. In my experience Korea is made so great by the Koreans themselves. Everyone is friendly and there is a hard to describe sense of innocence that made me love living there. Violent crime and robbery to a large extent just don’t exist and most shops keep stock unguarded outside without fear of people stealing it. I had to explain to my Korean friend why I find that amazing and she wouldn’t believe me. I told her people would just steal stuff if shops left goods outside in England and she thought I was exaggerating or making it up.
The Korean medical system gets a bit of slamming in this article and it is true there is no social welfare support system like my country England has. However the service provided is amazing (you have to wait for months to get anything in England) and the cost is ridiculously cheap compared to other countries that don’t have welfare programmes (All my American friends agree).
I know I was in a quite privileged position probably been paid quite a bit more than average lower level worker in Korea and I am fully aware of how image based and competitive society it is. These are issues I don’t have to deal with been a foreigner but can understand might be very pressuring if I was native.
Life’s largely what you make of it and maybe I was just lucky but all the Koreans I associated with took me in under their wings and we had a lot of fun. I’m going back as soon as my legs better.
I get the general impression the writer was trying to make a point about British social and political policies and thus writing with an agenda which required making Korea out to be a hell whole which just largely isn’t true.
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I worked in a Korean school and the kids obviously don't have 12 hour school days. But they do work really hard and go to Hagwons (academys) after school for to make up about that kind of time. They normally get sent to camps and things all summer and winter to they have so little free time. Poor things.
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Working in Korea as a foriegner is absolutely nothing comparable to actually living in Korea as a Korean. You're paid more than the average korean, you have your own place, you're completely free of the Korean social pressures (this is a huge issue) that exist, and your job is easy-peasy compared what many Koreans have to do.
Korea may just be the best place to live as a foreigner, because you have access to all the good aspects of Korea and avoid all the negative aspects.
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I heard the suicide rate is up at a specific time of the year because when they turn a certain age, they take a test that basically determines their future. Mainly cause of the anxiety or fear of not passing? :s
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I've worked and lived here for the last 2~ ish years, it's completely different from a foreigner who comes here to teach English and an actual Korean perspective. While I never taught English (worked for Samsung), working brutal hours, having cultural pressures put on you is absolutely awful. Even going to a SKY school - it's hard to get anything anymore.
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It's because apparently every single korean listens to the same kpop songs over and over and over and over no exceptions bar none. I would be unhappy too.
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