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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP.

If you make an uninformed post, or one that isn't relevant to the discussion, you will be moderated. If in doubt, don't post.
AdamBanks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada996 Posts
July 05 2013 20:02 GMT
#5561
is a little early to call gg here?
I wrote a song once.
Taidanii
Profile Joined April 2012
United States77 Posts
July 05 2013 20:02 GMT
#5562
On July 06 2013 05:01 stevarius wrote:
LOL this guy. This is gonna be terrible to listen to.



I really hope it's not as long as O'Mara's. O'mara was a lot easier to listen to
I love the only good Zerg girl, Scarlett. I also love Stephano. I'm not gay.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 05 2013 20:02 GMT
#5563
I feel bad for this DA who is arguing for the state. I would hate to have to argue that there's sufficient evidence to sustain a 2nd degree murder charge with a straight face.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23932 Posts
July 05 2013 20:03 GMT
#5564
On July 06 2013 04:58 Taidanii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 04:54 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:51 Taidanii wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:40 Taidanii wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:32 Taidanii wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:29 dAPhREAk wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:29 GreenHorizons wrote:
Did O'Mara just suggest that just punching GZ in the nose was enough for GZ to shoot Trayvon?

no

So when he said "I believe that act alone( in reference to the confrontation and the first blow) would be enough to justify the use of deadly force" He was misspeaking?


Under Florida state law that alone is indeed enough to warrant the use of deadly force.



Outside of this case for clarity sake, are you saying according to Florida law, if one instigates a fight, then only gets punched in the face, they are now potentially legally entitled to use deadly force?


You are speaking about scenarios in which the person getting punched in the face was the instigator of the conflict.

These hypothetical situations are not relevant to THIS case as all evidence would indicate Trayvon is the one that instigated the conflict.


Just to be clear there is evidence otherwise. RJ's testimony is contrary to GZ's assertions of the events, you don't have to believe it but the evidence does exist.


The girl that doesn't know what racism is? The girl that stated "I dont think thats racist" when speaking about "creepy ass cracker"?

Also, she was simply on the phone with him. If she truly thought someone was about to kill her friend she would have called the police.


First off, there are reams of thought that will tell you that statement isn't racist. (this could be a result of different operating understandings of what 'racism' is).

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with non-white culture but it is very common in minority communities for the thought of calling the police for 'help' to be the last thing you would do.

Merely testifying in a case like this could come with significant social consequences righteous or not.


I am not white. I think it's cute that you simply assumed that just because of my statements. "cracker" is a racial slur. The fact that an individual truly thinks the only racist comments are those that are directed at their race alone (presumably what RJ believes as to her knowledge of racial slurs) gives them no credibility. She can't read, she has no clear definition of racism, so how can she testify to the belief of racial profiling? She has no credibility, and was not present for the conflict. All of it is circumstantial and leaves reasonable doubt


Didn't say you were white. And the reason one would make a statement that the "cracker" comment was not racist has very little to nothing to do with the race of the person making that statement and every thing to do with the race that has institutional power to reinforce ones prejudices.

She can read and actually speaks 3 languages. She does however, not read cursive.

She was an ear witness and her testimony is valid as such.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Taidanii
Profile Joined April 2012
United States77 Posts
July 05 2013 20:03 GMT
#5565
He's not outlining actual evidence to persuade the judge to disregard O'Mara's motion.
I love the only good Zerg girl, Scarlett. I also love Stephano. I'm not gay.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 05 2013 20:04 GMT
#5566
"he didnt know trayvon martin like he thought he did."

well, he thought trayvon was a burglar, and technically, trayvon previously was "suspended" for burglary. so, maybe, zimmerman did know trayvon.
Junichi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1056 Posts
July 05 2013 20:06 GMT
#5567
Wasn't able to follow today. How are things looking? By skimming through the thread I got the feeling the prosecution is not bringing up enough evidence to justify 2nd degree murder?
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 05 2013 20:06 GMT
#5568
"The defense isn't even contesting that Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin." Well no shit, sherlock.
Taidanii
Profile Joined April 2012
United States77 Posts
July 05 2013 20:07 GMT
#5569
On July 06 2013 05:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 04:58 Taidanii wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:54 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:51 Taidanii wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:40 Taidanii wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:32 Taidanii wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:29 dAPhREAk wrote:
[quote]
no

So when he said "I believe that act alone( in reference to the confrontation and the first blow) would be enough to justify the use of deadly force" He was misspeaking?


Under Florida state law that alone is indeed enough to warrant the use of deadly force.



Outside of this case for clarity sake, are you saying according to Florida law, if one instigates a fight, then only gets punched in the face, they are now potentially legally entitled to use deadly force?


You are speaking about scenarios in which the person getting punched in the face was the instigator of the conflict.

These hypothetical situations are not relevant to THIS case as all evidence would indicate Trayvon is the one that instigated the conflict.


Just to be clear there is evidence otherwise. RJ's testimony is contrary to GZ's assertions of the events, you don't have to believe it but the evidence does exist.


The girl that doesn't know what racism is? The girl that stated "I dont think thats racist" when speaking about "creepy ass cracker"?

Also, she was simply on the phone with him. If she truly thought someone was about to kill her friend she would have called the police.


First off, there are reams of thought that will tell you that statement isn't racist. (this could be a result of different operating understandings of what 'racism' is).

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with non-white culture but it is very common in minority communities for the thought of calling the police for 'help' to be the last thing you would do.

Merely testifying in a case like this could come with significant social consequences righteous or not.


I am not white. I think it's cute that you simply assumed that just because of my statements. "cracker" is a racial slur. The fact that an individual truly thinks the only racist comments are those that are directed at their race alone (presumably what RJ believes as to her knowledge of racial slurs) gives them no credibility. She can't read, she has no clear definition of racism, so how can she testify to the belief of racial profiling? She has no credibility, and was not present for the conflict. All of it is circumstantial and leaves reasonable doubt


Didn't say you were white. And the reason one would make a statement that the "cracker" comment was not racist has very little to nothing to do with the race of the person making that statement and every thing to do with the race that has institutional power to reinforce ones prejudices.

She can read and actually speaks 3 languages. She does however, not read cursive.

She was an ear witness and her testimony is valid as such.



You said I have no knowledge of non-white culture. That can only mean I have knowledge of just white culture. How can it be that with those statements you believe I am anything other than white?

3 languages? Really? Which languages are those? English, Broken English, and ebonics?

I don't know anyone that can't tell what cursive words actually say. Not recognizing that "creepy ass cracker" is a racial comment in and of itself leaves absolutely no credibility in deciding what is racist and what is not racist.

We have an eye witness placing Martin on top of Zimmerman. That goes much further than a girl on the phone that has no idea of what "racism" is thinking she heard GZ start the conflict.

User was temp banned for this post.
I love the only good Zerg girl, Scarlett. I also love Stephano. I'm not gay.
Taidanii
Profile Joined April 2012
United States77 Posts
July 05 2013 20:10 GMT
#5570
"Excellent argument for not proceeding with 2nd degree murder. How does this compare? There may be argument about the law like in Texas, but as this one stands, going forward with this is based on outside pressure, in my opinion."

Good comment by a blogger from Fox News about O'mara's statement
I love the only good Zerg girl, Scarlett. I also love Stephano. I'm not gay.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 05 2013 20:10 GMT
#5571
This a really bad argument. I'd be objecting if I were the defense, because so much of it isn't grounded in fact.
Taidanii
Profile Joined April 2012
United States77 Posts
July 05 2013 20:11 GMT
#5572
On July 06 2013 05:10 xDaunt wrote:
This a really bad argument. I'd be objecting if I were the defense, because so much of it isn't grounded in fact.


He is using ONLY circumstantial evidence to argue against this motion, which is what the motion is based on. WTF
I love the only good Zerg girl, Scarlett. I also love Stephano. I'm not gay.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 05 2013 20:11 GMT
#5573
On July 06 2013 05:06 xDaunt wrote:
"The defense isn't even contesting that Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin." Well no shit, sherlock.

"he claims to know all his neighbors, but his neighbors dont know him!!" puffs up chest and allows a moment for that brilliant fact to sit in.
Junichi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1056 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-05 20:12:33
July 05 2013 20:12 GMT
#5574
On July 06 2013 05:10 xDaunt wrote:
This a really bad argument. I'd be objecting if I were the defense, because so much of it isn't grounded in fact.


Well, bringing up the contradictions is good imo.
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 05 2013 20:13 GMT
#5575
On July 06 2013 05:12 Junichi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 05:10 xDaunt wrote:
This a really bad argument. I'd be objecting if I were the defense, because so much of it isn't grounded in fact.


Well, bringing up the contradictions is good imo.

Yes, that's good and appropriate. However, he's arguing a lot of bullshit rather than sticking to the testimony and evidence like he should be.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 05 2013 20:14 GMT
#5576
By the way. I'd hate to play poker against Zimmerman now. That guy has a great poker face. I don't think that I'd be able mask what I was thinking so well were I in his position.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 05 2013 20:15 GMT
#5577
Wait. Who saw a pursuit and a struggle while they were upright?
ConGee
Profile Joined May 2012
318 Posts
July 05 2013 20:15 GMT
#5578
Which witness(es) claimed that they saw the two chasing each other and upright?
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 05 2013 20:16 GMT
#5579
On July 06 2013 05:15 ConGee wrote:
Which witness(es) claimed that they saw the two chasing each other and upright?

was wondering the same thing.

i think the chase is the left to right mvoement behind the fence. but i dont recall anything about upright.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23932 Posts
July 05 2013 20:16 GMT
#5580
On July 06 2013 05:07 Taidanii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 05:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:58 Taidanii wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:54 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:51 Taidanii wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:40 Taidanii wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:32 Taidanii wrote:
On July 06 2013 04:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
[quote]
So when he said "I believe that act alone( in reference to the confrontation and the first blow) would be enough to justify the use of deadly force" He was misspeaking?


Under Florida state law that alone is indeed enough to warrant the use of deadly force.



Outside of this case for clarity sake, are you saying according to Florida law, if one instigates a fight, then only gets punched in the face, they are now potentially legally entitled to use deadly force?


You are speaking about scenarios in which the person getting punched in the face was the instigator of the conflict.

These hypothetical situations are not relevant to THIS case as all evidence would indicate Trayvon is the one that instigated the conflict.


Just to be clear there is evidence otherwise. RJ's testimony is contrary to GZ's assertions of the events, you don't have to believe it but the evidence does exist.


The girl that doesn't know what racism is? The girl that stated "I dont think thats racist" when speaking about "creepy ass cracker"?

Also, she was simply on the phone with him. If she truly thought someone was about to kill her friend she would have called the police.


First off, there are reams of thought that will tell you that statement isn't racist. (this could be a result of different operating understandings of what 'racism' is).

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with non-white culture but it is very common in minority communities for the thought of calling the police for 'help' to be the last thing you would do.

Merely testifying in a case like this could come with significant social consequences righteous or not.


I am not white. I think it's cute that you simply assumed that just because of my statements. "cracker" is a racial slur. The fact that an individual truly thinks the only racist comments are those that are directed at their race alone (presumably what RJ believes as to her knowledge of racial slurs) gives them no credibility. She can't read, she has no clear definition of racism, so how can she testify to the belief of racial profiling? She has no credibility, and was not present for the conflict. All of it is circumstantial and leaves reasonable doubt


Didn't say you were white. And the reason one would make a statement that the "cracker" comment was not racist has very little to nothing to do with the race of the person making that statement and every thing to do with the race that has institutional power to reinforce ones prejudices.

She can read and actually speaks 3 languages. She does however, not read cursive.

She was an ear witness and her testimony is valid as such.



You said I have no knowledge of non-white culture. That can only mean I have knowledge of just white culture. How can it be that with those statements you believe I am anything other than white?

3 languages? Really? Which languages are those? English, Broken English, and ebonics?

I don't know anyone that can't tell what cursive words actually say. Not recognizing that "creepy ass cracker" is a racial comment in and of itself leaves absolutely no credibility in deciding what is racist and what is not racist.

We have an eye witness placing Martin on top of Zimmerman. That goes much further than a girl on the phone that has no idea of what "racism" is thinking she heard GZ start the conflict.


"Perhaps you are unfamiliar with non-white culture" presuming you understand what those words mean it is clear your first statement is woefully inaccurate.

English, Spanish, and Creole actually, this statement demonstrates your bigotry.

Plenty of people who deal with handwriting on a daily basis would tell you not being able to read cursive writing is incredibly common (one of the reasons you have to print on most important documents.)

Again there are common operating understandings of racism in which the "cracker" comment can logically and reasonably be demonstrated to not be racist.

Finally the eye witness has no relevant testimony regarding the initiation of combat.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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