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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP.

If you make an uninformed post, or one that isn't relevant to the discussion, you will be moderated. If in doubt, don't post.
Knighthawkbro
Profile Joined August 2011
United States183 Posts
July 01 2013 16:25 GMT
#4321
On July 02 2013 01:21 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 01:19 Knighthawkbro wrote:
Man, is there an update page with text about the case? There was one for the ACA but it manned by a lawyer who updated it.

I wish there was a steganographer who update to a central website with what is going on because I can't watch it at work.

Watch the twitter feed at www.legalinsurrection.com.


I got the actually twitter feed here
https://twitter.com/LegInsurrection/zimmerman-trial
"I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -George Carlin
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 01 2013 16:26 GMT
#4322
On July 02 2013 01:25 Knighthawkbro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 01:21 xDaunt wrote:
On July 02 2013 01:19 Knighthawkbro wrote:
Man, is there an update page with text about the case? There was one for the ACA but it manned by a lawyer who updated it.

I wish there was a steganographer who update to a central website with what is going on because I can't watch it at work.

Watch the twitter feed at www.legalinsurrection.com.


I got the actually twitter feed here
https://twitter.com/LegInsurrection/zimmerman-trial

I suck at twitter. But yes, that's the same feed.
Knighthawkbro
Profile Joined August 2011
United States183 Posts
July 01 2013 16:32 GMT
#4323
On July 02 2013 01:26 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 01:25 Knighthawkbro wrote:
On July 02 2013 01:21 xDaunt wrote:
On July 02 2013 01:19 Knighthawkbro wrote:
Man, is there an update page with text about the case? There was one for the ACA but it manned by a lawyer who updated it.

I wish there was a steganographer who update to a central website with what is going on because I can't watch it at work.

Watch the twitter feed at www.legalinsurrection.com.


I got the actually twitter feed here
https://twitter.com/LegInsurrection/zimmerman-trial

I suck at twitter. But yes, that's the same feed.


And a chrome extension for hand's free updating. Think I accomplished my part as an american today.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/refresh-for-twitter/hdpiilkeoldobfomlhipnnfanmgfllmp?hl=en-US
"I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -George Carlin
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
July 01 2013 16:33 GMT
#4324
Did the state mean for the officer to answer yes to that last question?
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 01 2013 16:33 GMT
#4325
I wish you could restate the question, as I don't remember.
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 16:44:25
July 01 2013 16:43 GMT
#4326
When the state was driving home the fact that Zimmerman used the word suspect, at the end he ask the officer, (and I can't remember the question exactly, but it was along the lines of "would cops have called Martin a suspect", and she answered yes, if we thought he might if committed a crime.

I was only half listening, that's why I'm asking if I heard it right.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
July 01 2013 16:47 GMT
#4327
On July 02 2013 01:43 woody60707 wrote:
When the state was driving home the fact that Zimmerman used the word suspect, at the end he ask the officer, (and I can't remember the question exactly, but it was along the lines of "would cops have called Martin a suspect", and she answered yes, if we thought he might if committed a crime.

I was only half listening, that's why I'm asking if I heard it right.



No you did not hear it right. She was asked if "suspect" is how LEO's would describe someone they presumed to be a suspect in a crime
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 01 2013 16:51 GMT
#4328
Is there not a way to get TL to show post timestamps in my local time instead of Korea time ?
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
July 01 2013 16:51 GMT
#4329
On July 02 2013 01:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 01:43 woody60707 wrote:
When the state was driving home the fact that Zimmerman used the word suspect, at the end he ask the officer, (and I can't remember the question exactly, but it was along the lines of "would cops have called Martin a suspect", and she answered yes, if we thought he might if committed a crime.

I was only half listening, that's why I'm asking if I heard it right.



No you did not hear it right. She was asked if "suspect" is how LEO's would describe someone they presumed to be a suspect in a crime


Ah. ok thank you.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 01 2013 16:57 GMT
#4330
I keep waiting for the State to put on something that even remotely resembles compelling evidence, but it just hasn't come yet. The takeaway from the admission of Zimmerman's statements so far is that they are entirely consistent with eyewitness testimony -- particularly the testimony of Good.
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
July 01 2013 17:00 GMT
#4331
On July 02 2013 01:51 Kaitlin wrote:
Is there not a way to get TL to show post timestamps in my local time instead of Korea time ?

If you find a way, tell me.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 01 2013 17:08 GMT
#4332
I just heard HLN discussing the upcoming testimony of the lead detective who said he was pressured into a murder 2 charge, even though he felt they didn't have evidence sufficient for such a charge. The dumb blonde bitch mentioned that it could be used to entice a plea to manslaughter. That's fucking illegal as hell to threaten prosecution for a charge not supported by evidence. Unbelievable. I know it happens all the time, but it's one of the things entirely fucked up about how prosecutors operate.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 01 2013 17:12 GMT
#4333
On July 02 2013 02:08 Kaitlin wrote:
I just heard HLN discussing the upcoming testimony of the lead detective who said he was pressured into a murder 2 charge, even though he felt they didn't have evidence sufficient for such a charge. The dumb blonde bitch mentioned that it could be used to entice a plea to manslaughter. That's fucking illegal as hell to threaten prosecution for a charge not supported by evidence. Unbelievable. I know it happens all the time, but it's one of the things entirely fucked up about how prosecutors operate.

That's the kind of evidence that could support a Zimmerman lawsuit against the State and DA.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 01 2013 17:16 GMT
#4334
On July 02 2013 02:08 Kaitlin wrote:
I just heard HLN discussing the upcoming testimony of the lead detective who said he was pressured into a murder 2 charge, even though he felt they didn't have evidence sufficient for such a charge. The dumb blonde bitch mentioned that it could be used to entice a plea to manslaughter. That's fucking illegal as hell to threaten prosecution for a charge not supported by evidence. Unbelievable. I know it happens all the time, but it's one of the things entirely fucked up about how prosecutors operate.


First degree, second degree murder and manslaughter are all degrees of similar crimes. If you kill someone and it can't be proven that it is self defense or an accident(with no negligence on your part), you can be charged with one of those three crimes. His self defense claim is really questionable, since he can't prove he didn't instigate the event by following Treyvon. Even in Florida.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
July 01 2013 17:16 GMT
#4335
On July 02 2013 01:57 xDaunt wrote:
I keep waiting for the State to put on something that even remotely resembles compelling evidence, but it just hasn't come yet. The takeaway from the admission of Zimmerman's statements so far is that they are entirely consistent with eyewitness testimony -- particularly the testimony of Good.



With the inconsistencies in GZ's various accounts and the lack of reliability of eye witnesses (especially considering the conditions of the night in question), the door is definitely wide open for the prosecution to chip away at GZ's reasonable doubt.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 01 2013 17:21 GMT
#4336
On July 02 2013 02:16 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 02:08 Kaitlin wrote:
I just heard HLN discussing the upcoming testimony of the lead detective who said he was pressured into a murder 2 charge, even though he felt they didn't have evidence sufficient for such a charge. The dumb blonde bitch mentioned that it could be used to entice a plea to manslaughter. That's fucking illegal as hell to threaten prosecution for a charge not supported by evidence. Unbelievable. I know it happens all the time, but it's one of the things entirely fucked up about how prosecutors operate.


First degree, second degree murder and manslaughter are all degrees of similar crimes. If you kill someone and it can't be proven that it is self defense or an accident(with no negligence on your part), you can be charged with one of those three crimes. His self defense claim is really questionable, since he can't prove he didn't instigate the event by following Treyvon. Even in Florida.

Florida puts the burden on the prosecutor even for self defense. Zimmerman doesnt have to prove anything.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 01 2013 17:21 GMT
#4337
On July 02 2013 02:16 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 01:57 xDaunt wrote:
I keep waiting for the State to put on something that even remotely resembles compelling evidence, but it just hasn't come yet. The takeaway from the admission of Zimmerman's statements so far is that they are entirely consistent with eyewitness testimony -- particularly the testimony of Good.



With the inconsistencies in GZ's various accounts and the lack of reliability of eye witnesses (especially considering the conditions of the night in question), the door is definitely wide open for the prosecution to chip away at GZ's reasonable doubt.

You have it ass backwards. The State has to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt is a good thing for Zimmerman. The existence of reasonable doubt means he walks. Pointing out inconsistencies in Zimmerman's statements (which appear very minor so far) doesn't really get the State anywhere. It's helpful to the extent that it undermines Zimmerman's credibility. However, it is no where near enough to secure a conviction, because the end result is that all it does is create more reasonable doubt.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 17:26:57
July 01 2013 17:25 GMT
#4338
On July 02 2013 02:21 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 02:16 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 02 2013 01:57 xDaunt wrote:
I keep waiting for the State to put on something that even remotely resembles compelling evidence, but it just hasn't come yet. The takeaway from the admission of Zimmerman's statements so far is that they are entirely consistent with eyewitness testimony -- particularly the testimony of Good.



With the inconsistencies in GZ's various accounts and the lack of reliability of eye witnesses (especially considering the conditions of the night in question), the door is definitely wide open for the prosecution to chip away at GZ's reasonable doubt.

You have it ass backwards. The State has to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt is a good thing for Zimmerman. The existence of reasonable doubt means he walks. Pointing out inconsistencies in Zimmerman's statements (which appear very minor so far) doesn't really get the State anywhere. It's helpful to the extent that it undermines Zimmerman's credibility. However, it is no where near enough to secure a conviction, because the end result is that all it does is create more reasonable doubt.



I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that the reasonable doubt GZ needs to be found not guilty is still vulnerable due to his inconsistent statements (See Breakdown on Pg 216), and the lack of reliability of eye witnesses to correctly identify someone.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 17:31:08
July 01 2013 17:30 GMT
#4339
On July 02 2013 02:21 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 02:16 Plansix wrote:
On July 02 2013 02:08 Kaitlin wrote:
I just heard HLN discussing the upcoming testimony of the lead detective who said he was pressured into a murder 2 charge, even though he felt they didn't have evidence sufficient for such a charge. The dumb blonde bitch mentioned that it could be used to entice a plea to manslaughter. That's fucking illegal as hell to threaten prosecution for a charge not supported by evidence. Unbelievable. I know it happens all the time, but it's one of the things entirely fucked up about how prosecutors operate.


First degree, second degree murder and manslaughter are all degrees of similar crimes. If you kill someone and it can't be proven that it is self defense or an accident(with no negligence on your part), you can be charged with one of those three crimes. His self defense claim is really questionable, since he can't prove he didn't instigate the event by following Treyvon. Even in Florida.

Florida puts the burden on the prosecutor even for self defense. Zimmerman doesnt have to prove anything.


With self defense, Zimmerman has to prove he didn't instigate the event as well. The law does not allow people to pick fights and then shoot people in response. He also has to show that he had a reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm, which also might be a challenge to prove. The "reasonable" threshold is the hardest part to avoid, since the jury get a lot of room to decide what is "reasonable".
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
July 01 2013 17:31 GMT
#4340
On July 02 2013 02:25 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 02:21 xDaunt wrote:
On July 02 2013 02:16 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 02 2013 01:57 xDaunt wrote:
I keep waiting for the State to put on something that even remotely resembles compelling evidence, but it just hasn't come yet. The takeaway from the admission of Zimmerman's statements so far is that they are entirely consistent with eyewitness testimony -- particularly the testimony of Good.



With the inconsistencies in GZ's various accounts and the lack of reliability of eye witnesses (especially considering the conditions of the night in question), the door is definitely wide open for the prosecution to chip away at GZ's reasonable doubt.

You have it ass backwards. The State has to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt is a good thing for Zimmerman. The existence of reasonable doubt means he walks. Pointing out inconsistencies in Zimmerman's statements (which appear very minor so far) doesn't really get the State anywhere. It's helpful to the extent that it undermines Zimmerman's credibility. However, it is no where near enough to secure a conviction, because the end result is that all it does is create more reasonable doubt.



I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that the reasonable doubt GZ needs to be found not guilty is still vulnerable due to his inconsistent statements (See Breakdown on Pg 216), and the lack of reliability of eye witnesses to correctly identify someone.

The defense seems to have been doing just fine without relying on Zimmerman's account so far.
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