EPTShooting of Trayvon Martin - Page 216
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Crownlol
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woody60707
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On July 01 2013 23:57 Crownlol wrote: Man, my opinion on this trial keeps changing. From Jeantel's testimony, it appears Zimmerman was still pursuing Trayvon a full two minutes after he said he went back to his car in his own testimony. She also testified that Trayvon was freaked out by being followed, and who wouldn't be? The deep racial issues brought forth by Jeantel's cross-examination really shed a lot of light on this case, but it's starting to look to me like Trayvon lashed out at Zimmerman in his OWN self defense from being stalked at night, and Zimmerman saw that as a "get out of jail free" card to shoot Trayvon. If Zimmerman hadn't been stalking Trayvon with a gun, nobody gets shot that night. Did you read this thread. Do you know stalking isn't the right term to use? | ||
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On July 02 2013 01:15 Kaitlin wrote: I thought Zimmerman had gone a little bit down the T to see if he could locate Trayvon, but that's not what I'm watching this officer recount. Was that never part of the account ? Well, there are other statements that are coming. We'll see how they differ. Still, this first statement is fantastic for the defense. | ||
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Knighthawkbro
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I wish there was a steganographer who update to a central website with what is going on because I can't watch it at work. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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7:11:59 — In reply to the dispatcher's question, "Are you following him?" Zimmerman says, "Yes." Dispatcher states, "OK, we don't need you to do that." Zimmerman replies, "OK." 7:12:00 - 7:12:59 — The girl calls Martin again at some point during this minute. 7:13:10 — Zimmerman says he does not know where Martin is. 7:13:41 — Zimmerman's call to Sanford police ends. 7:16:00 - 7:16:59 — Martin's call from the girl goes dead during this minute According to the 911 call and Zimmerman's reenactment it takes GZ approxamately 7-8 seconds to get from his car to the T in the path and then according to GZ another 1m:30s to get from the T to his street. (The timing is difficult here because other than on Hannity, GZ claims the last thing he told the operator before hanging up was to meet him at his truck. He neglects to mention the last 25 seconds or so of the call in either his reenactment or his interrogation). Breakdown Continued... + Show Spoiler + Now outside of his vehicle for 1m:40s GZ claims he is returning to his vehicle. According to GZ the fight starts "less than 30 seconds later" (after hanging up) This puts the confrontation starting at 7:14:21 (indicating it took GZ less than 30 seconds to make it from his street back to the T.) the fight according to GZ lasts from the seconds after the confrontation until 7:16:55 [the gunshot] (approximately 2m:40s) According to GZ the same distance took him both about 37 seconds to traverse and over a 100+ seconds. so during one of those trips he had to be traveling at almost 3x the rate as the other. This shows by GZ's own admission he must of been running/jogging at some point. (despite his statements which claim he was walking) If you watch the GZ reenactment while he describes the fight, the entire description takes less time than he says the fight lasted. This might not be a problem if the explanation was not significantly elongated by the questions and the relatively slow pace of the explanation. With reasonable analysis of the timeline and GZ's multiple and inconsistent accounts of the events it is clear he has left out/ misled about some of the most critical moments in the timeline. This leads one to wonder what is he hiding? What part of the story is he leaving out and why? What is he not saying about the approximately 2 minutes he was outside of his car before the confrontation. What's missing from the 2m:40s fight that's not in the GZ version? Why was Trayvon's body found significantly closer to where he was staying than where GZ indicates the fight took place? Why did GZ never get the address he was looking for? What happened between when GZ's description of the call ending and the 25 seconds where he was still talking to the operator? Why does he say he was walking when his own descriptions when matched with his call show otherwise? There are more inconsistencies and so forth but I found these to be some of the more clearly indicative ones of critical missing parts of GZ's story that simply don't add up to the audio from his call or his various descriptions of the events Simply put GZ's stories don't pass the smell test. If these questions have come up what kind of answers have resulted? If not what is being presumed by people who think his stories are complete and accurate? | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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On July 01 2013 23:44 xDaunt wrote: The prosecution called him to testify that the best person to identify the screaming voice on the 911 call would be someone who knew the screaming person very well, like a family member. The goal is to set the stage for Trayvon's mom to get on the stand and say that it was her son screaming. lol wait you can do that? That sounds ridiculously biasing. Obviously the grieving mother who wants "justice" is going to think its her son on the recording, but when no other human being on earth can attest to that, and science can't prove it one way or the other then why would her word matter at all? Would the judge even allow that? | ||
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xDaunt
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On July 02 2013 01:19 Knighthawkbro wrote: Man, is there an update page with text about the case? There was one for the ACA but it manned by a lawyer who updated it. I wish there was a steganographer who update to a central website with what is going on because I can't watch it at work. Watch the twitter feed at www.legalinsurrection.com. | ||
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Kaitlin
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On July 02 2013 01:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: lol wait you can do that? That sounds ridiculously biasing. Obviously the grieving mother who wants "justice" is going to think its her son on the recording, but when no other human being on earth can attest to that, and science can't prove it one way or the other then why would her word matter at all? Would the judge even allow that? George's parents can testify to the exact opposite. Not to mention, Trayvon's father has already said it was NOT Trayvon, so not biased. Anyways, I think we're about to get yet another lesson in why you don't talk to the police, as far as being a potential defendant. Pretty much, in all cases, there will be inconsistencies in your account which are later exploited to your detriment. | ||
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xDaunt
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On July 02 2013 01:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: lol wait you can do that? That sounds ridiculously biasing. Obviously the grieving mother who wants "justice" is going to think its her son on the recording, but when no other human being on earth can attest to that, and science can't prove it one way or the other then why would her word matter at all? Would the judge even allow that? They can. It's just a matter of how convincing to the jury that it is. If you listen to the expert's testimony closely, what he says is that it is basically impossible to identify a screaming voice with any degree of certainty. There are just too many variables. I definitely don't think that his testimony "endorses" having the mom testify about who was screaming. | ||
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Kaitlin
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/sarcasm | ||
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