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On June 28 2013 08:43 dotHead wrote:
The Officer who arrived and did cpr said his wound was bubbling, and making bubbling sounds. Most likely the wound punctured his lung, and he was bleeding mostly internally. He also said he had him on his back, and in a sitting position trying to revive him.
One of the close up pictures in that link of his clothing is zoomed in on some holes, and says they are indeed the exit wound, dunno who to believe.
That does appear to be the back of a sweatshirt, not the front. I think it's more likely they missed the exit wound at the scene. I don't know the odds of them not finding the bullet if he was on the ground when he was shot, but they seem fairly low to me.
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On June 28 2013 08:46 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 08:43 dotHead wrote:
The Officer who arrived and did cpr said his wound was bubbling, and making bubbling sounds. Most likely the wound punctured his lung, and he was bleeding mostly internally. He also said he had him on his back, and in a sitting position trying to revive him.
One of the close up pictures in that link of his clothing is zoomed in on some holes, and says they are indeed the exit wound, dunno who to believe. That does appear to be the back of a sweatshirt, not the front. I think it's more likely they missed the exit wound at the scene. I don't know the odds of them not finding the bullet if he was on the ground when he was shot, but they seem fairly low to me.
autopsy report says no exit wound; bullet found in lung (?).
edit: it does appear to have gone through part of the heart.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/trayvon-martin-autopsy_n_1525763.html
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On June 28 2013 08:46 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 08:46 SKC wrote:On June 28 2013 08:43 dotHead wrote:
The Officer who arrived and did cpr said his wound was bubbling, and making bubbling sounds. Most likely the wound punctured his lung, and he was bleeding mostly internally. He also said he had him on his back, and in a sitting position trying to revive him.
One of the close up pictures in that link of his clothing is zoomed in on some holes, and says they are indeed the exit wound, dunno who to believe. That does appear to be the back of a sweatshirt, not the front. I think it's more likely they missed the exit wound at the scene. I don't know the odds of them not finding the bullet if he was on the ground when he was shot, but they seem fairly low to me. autopsy report says no exit wound; bullet found in lung (?).
How can they not explain that better then? I have no idea how that "plothole" wasn't explored more clearly, if I'm not missing something.
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How many shots did he fire? So many conflicting stories on shots. I hear one on the 911 tape, yet the one crazy lady suggests she heard 3 pops. I also hear it refereed to as the "shot" yet some sites refer to shots.
What was it?
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On June 28 2013 08:48 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 08:46 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 28 2013 08:46 SKC wrote:On June 28 2013 08:43 dotHead wrote:
The Officer who arrived and did cpr said his wound was bubbling, and making bubbling sounds. Most likely the wound punctured his lung, and he was bleeding mostly internally. He also said he had him on his back, and in a sitting position trying to revive him.
One of the close up pictures in that link of his clothing is zoomed in on some holes, and says they are indeed the exit wound, dunno who to believe. That does appear to be the back of a sweatshirt, not the front. I think it's more likely they missed the exit wound at the scene. I don't know the odds of them not finding the bullet if he was on the ground when he was shot, but they seem fairly low to me. autopsy report says no exit wound; bullet found in lung (?). How can they not explain that better then? I have no idea how that "plothole" wasn't explored more clearly, if I'm not missing something.
I would expect more of that type of evidence on defense's turn.
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On June 28 2013 08:50 jeremycafe wrote:
How many shots did he fire? So many conflicting stories on shots. I hear one on the 911 tape, yet the one crazy lady suggests she heard 3 pops. I also hear it refereed to as the "shot" yet some sites refer to shots.
What was it?
One bullet was found in Martin, one shot is assumed.
I don't know how many bullets were fired from the gun? Is that something that can be figured out?
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On June 28 2013 08:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 08:50 jeremycafe wrote:
How many shots did he fire? So many conflicting stories on shots. I hear one on the 911 tape, yet the one crazy lady suggests she heard 3 pops. I also hear it refereed to as the "shot" yet some sites refer to shots.
What was it? One bullet was found in Martin, one shot is assumed. I don't know how many bullets were fired from the gun? Is that something that can be figured out?
Anyone have a link to the 911 video where you hear the shot? That would answer the question. I only recall one, but I couldn't hear well at the time.
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On June 28 2013 08:53 jeremycafe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 08:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 28 2013 08:50 jeremycafe wrote:
How many shots did he fire? So many conflicting stories on shots. I hear one on the 911 tape, yet the one crazy lady suggests she heard 3 pops. I also hear it refereed to as the "shot" yet some sites refer to shots.
What was it? One bullet was found in Martin, one shot is assumed. I don't know how many bullets were fired from the gun? Is that something that can be figured out? Anyone have a link to the 911 video where you hear the shot? That would answer the question. I only recall one, but I couldn't hear well at the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin#cite_note-MiamiHerald-0
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On June 28 2013 08:53 jeremycafe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 08:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 28 2013 08:50 jeremycafe wrote:
How many shots did he fire? So many conflicting stories on shots. I hear one on the 911 tape, yet the one crazy lady suggests she heard 3 pops. I also hear it refereed to as the "shot" yet some sites refer to shots.
What was it? One bullet was found in Martin, one shot is assumed. I don't know how many bullets were fired from the gun? Is that something that can be figured out? Anyone have a link to the 911 video where you hear the shot? That would answer the question. I only recall one, but I couldn't hear well at the time.
My assumption is one. Because unless Zimmerman shot towards the sky, there was enough random buildings to cause a stir if he fired two away from Travyon.
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Seriously people, read page 3 of the autopsy report. All your questions are answered there concerning exit wounds, lack of blood and where the bullet was recovered from.
Bleeding was internal.
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The Autopsy report speaks of a "gunshot wound" not "wounds"
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On June 28 2013 08:56 Ghostcom wrote:
Seriously people, read page 3 of the autopsy report. All your questions are answered there concerning exit wounds, lack of blood and where the bullet was recovered from.
Bleeding was internal.
That's the issue. The report says a single wound and no exit wound. Other information show an exit wound. You would think the other information would then be proved wrong, but it doesn't look wrong.
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On June 28 2013 08:56 plgElwood wrote:
The Autopsy report speaks of a "gunshot wound" not "wounds"
If there was only 1 gunshot wound but 3 gun shots it would be easy to assume that Zimmerman fired multiple times at Trayvon, missing twice and hitting once. I don't think that is the case--but I don't actually "know."
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On June 28 2013 08:58 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 08:56 plgElwood wrote:
The Autopsy report speaks of a "gunshot wound" not "wounds" If there was only 1 gunshot wound but 3 gun shots it would be easy to assume that Zimmerman fired multiple times at Trayvon, missing twice and hitting once. I don't think that is the case--but I don't actually "know."
Listen to the tape. There is only one shot, which the witness confirms. That one crazy lady is just, crazy.
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On June 28 2013 08:57 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 08:56 Ghostcom wrote:
Seriously people, read page 3 of the autopsy report. All your questions are answered there concerning exit wounds, lack of blood and where the bullet was recovered from.
Bleeding was internal. That's the issue. The report says a single wound and not exit wound. Other information show an exit wound. You would think the other information would then be wrong, the issue was that it doesn't look wrong.
On one hand you have an official document. On the other you have unreliable sources.
Are you honestly suggesting that the doctor performing the autopsy was so inept that he overlooked an exit wound? And how then do you explain the fragments of the bullet (accounting for the entire bullet according to the report) being recovered inside the body?
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On June 28 2013 09:00 jeremycafe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 08:58 Thieving Magpie wrote:On June 28 2013 08:56 plgElwood wrote:
The Autopsy report speaks of a "gunshot wound" not "wounds" If there was only 1 gunshot wound but 3 gun shots it would be easy to assume that Zimmerman fired multiple times at Trayvon, missing twice and hitting once. I don't think that is the case--but I don't actually "know." Listen to the tape. There is only one shot, which the witness confirms. That one crazy lady is just, crazy.
And I'm assuming all shots were fired only when the tape was playing and none were fired prior to it?
I honestly believe its one shot, I'm just not certain.
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There is a single shot on tape, also the "exitwound" comes from a wrong caption on some website. It shows the Clothes of Martin, the hole in it is clearly next to the small "FRONT Nike-logo"
Martin was shot one time, in the chest from close distance. The bullet split, possibly on his ribs, hurting lung and heart.
There was no exit wounds. Part of a single projectile were secured within his body.
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George said he had a 7 round magazine and 1 in the chamber, when they retrieved the weapon, there were 7 rounds left. One shot was fired.
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On June 28 2013 09:06 dotHead wrote:
George said he had a 7 round magazine and 1 in the chamber, when they retrieved the weapon, there were 7 rounds left. One shot was fired.
Thank you. I was pounding my head in anticipation of posting this as I scrolled through all the swings and misses. However, ignoring George, the responding officer testified as such, one of the investigators. Only one round was missing from a fully loaded weapon.
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