2012 French Presidential Election - Page 66

On May 07 2012 21:17 Boblion wrote:

You are wrong (again lol).

http://www.franceinter.fr/depeche-hortefeux-relaxe-en-appel-pour-des-propos-sur-un-maghrebin


You are constantly lying and i'm the one "hiding behind rhetorics and cheap arguments" ?
LOL

On May 07 2012 19:42 Boblion wrote:

Nope, i don't hate rich people and i'm not butthurt because Le Pen got 18% and Melenchon only 11.

Also i'm not calling people nazis because they don't agree with me :D

Georges Bidault, le successeur de Jean Moulin à la tête du CNR, ancien Président du Conseil et Ministre des Affaires étrangères du GPRF et de la Quatrième République, ayant rompu avec l'attachement à de Gaulle au moment de la guerre d'Algérie, alors chef du Mouvement pour la justice et la liberté, partira presque immédiatement le 12 octobre 1972 tout en conservant des relations d'amitié avec la plupart des nationalistes ;

Pierre Bousquet, secrétaire général du Parti de l'Unité Française et ancien de la division SS Charlemagne. Il partira en 1981

François Brigneau, ancien milicien, condamné pour collaboration avec les nazis, puis à Ordre nouveau, journaliste à Minute et au Crapouillot, cofondateur avec Antoine Blondin et Pierre Boutang de nombreux journaux comme La Dernière lanterne qui deviendra La Fronde et enfin Rivarol, ancien des Comités Tixier1

Dominique Chaboche, ancien de Occident

François Duprat, journaliste et ancien de Ordre nouveau, diffuseur du négationnisme, assassiné en 1978. Les auteurs du crime n'ont jamais été retrouvés

Roland Gaucher, ancien collaborateur, historien du communisme et romancier engagé dans la dénonciation de la dictature dans les démocraties populaires, journaliste à Minute, Initiative nationale Itinéraires, L'Auto-Journal, avec Barthélemy et Brigneau la personnalité la plus influente et la plus décisive sur le nationalisme recomposé de la seconde moitié du XXe siècle

Léon Gaultier, ancien proche collaborateur du Secrétaire général à l'Information du gouvernement du Maréchal Pierre Marion, un des fondateurs de la Milice, il a combattu sous l'uniforme allemand de la Waffen-SS sur le Front de l'Est durant l'été 19442, il a travaillé après sa libération pour l'agence Havas, et a été l'un des cofondateurs avec son ami Jean-Marie Le Pen de la SERP : s'il n'est pas directement un fondateur du parti, il y participera après dans la traversée du désert mais sera progressivement écarté du cercle des amis de Jean-Marie Le Pen au début des années 1980

Roger Holeindre, ancien résistant, ancien de l’OAS, alors président du Parti de l'Unité Française

Alain Robert, pour Ordre nouveau et le GUD.

On May 07 2012 21:22 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Oh well i guess France will just go bankrupt sooner.Thats what the markets seem to be showing anyhow.
Reducing retirement age from 62 to 60? i mean come on.Socialists have no idea about economics.....

On May 07 2012 21:08 Macpo wrote:


Well to a certain extent, it is precisely because racist statements are illegal that right and far right parties tend to be racist indirectly, instead of doing it openly. But this, though, doesn't prevent racist outbursts. Should I remind you that Brice Hortefeux was found guilty of racism. He is not even far right supposedly. He was just a member of the UMP goverment in office at the time...

On May 07 2012 20:38 Macpo wrote:Second, do you know what does hallal means? it just means it was killed a certain traditional way, which doesn't affect food, but symbolically, for those believing it.

On May 07 2012 21:32 Oshuy wrote:


Now you're blaming them of being racist because they do not make racist statements, but you believe there are racist beliefs hidden somewhere behind it all the same ? And what is the link between the fine payed by some random politician and the views of a party he's not even a member of ? That just makes no sense.

On May 07 2012 21:32 Oshuy wrote:


Now you're blaming them of being racist because they do not make racist statements, but you believe there are racist beliefs hidden somewhere behind it all the same ? And what is the link between the fine payed by some random politician and the views of a party he's not even a member of ? That just makes no sense.

On May 07 2012 21:29 MilesTeg wrote:
Of course the FN is still a xenophobic party. The only difference is that since UMP members started to use the same vocabulary, it's now considered politically correct to be xenophobic apparently.

But this whole immigration issue is just a massive paranoia, an irrational fear present in sick frustrated people who want to blame their own shortcomings on people who are different. If people were rational it would be a non issue really.

On May 07 2012 21:38 Biff The Understudy wrote:

If I say "There are definitly too many jews in France. That's why the country is sinking. They want to invade us with their culture. And they are not real French. They also are the number one reason for insecurity. And they just want to enjoy our social services"

... am I an antisemite?

Yes of course.

... replace jews by arabs, and you have exactly what Marine Le Pen is saying. She might be clever enough to stay in legality, it's not even the point. Blaming foreigners, arabs and muslim for all the evil in France is just as racist as it was antisemite in the 30's to rant agaist the jews that were the cause of all problems.

On May 07 2012 21:32 MilesTeg wrote:


Yeah, I mean what does this Krugman guy know about economics anyway? Surely iPlaY.NettleS knows better.

On May 07 2012 21:44 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:

ok , you tell me how lowering the retirement age from 62 to 60 will help the french debt issue?

On May 07 2012 21:44 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:

ok , you tell me how lowering the retirement age from 62 to 60 will help the french deficit?

On May 07 2012 21:45 Velr wrote:


It won't but it, theoretically (i'm not for it), would do something against "young" unemployement which is eventually worse than going deeper into debt.

On May 07 2012 21:28 Biff The Understudy wrote:

I'm sure you can make the difference between hating rich people and hating a political ideology that tends to favor richs becoming richer and poor becoming poorer. And blame the second ones for being lazy and claim they deserve their fate.

If you can't that's a pity. Every FdG voter I have met, and they are a shitload of them around me, make it very clearly. As did Marx, that being said.

Now your hatred on "lefties" really does smell resentment, but maybe I'm misinterpreting. And once again, comparing "lefties" and the left to a xenophobic party founded by OAS nostalgic and ex from La Milice, that is one of the most rooted in fascism in all Europe is sickening.

There have always been people who were more scared by socialists than by fascists. Nothing new there. "Mieux vaut Hitler que le Front Populaire" was a famous slogan in late 30's. And, although Le Pen is not Hitler, the comparison applies perfectly. She represents the same hatred and the same fears.




http://www.cozanne.net/le-bon-sens/944-rappel-la-fondation-du-front-national

No reason to compare these people with nazis you are right. They were just working with them.