EPT2012 French Presidential Election - Page 23
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
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VyingsP
France174 Posts
On April 23 2012 07:16 kamikami wrote: Why don't we have a party of geeks and gamers ? Voting for those "noobs" is too boring for me lol. You mean this ? http://legislatives.partipirate.org/2012/ | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On April 23 2012 07:16 kamikami wrote: Why don't we have a party of geeks and gamers ? Voting for those "noobs" is too boring for me lol. I bet they're not even silver league | ||
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chuky500
France473 Posts
On April 23 2012 07:16 kamikami wrote: Why don't we have a party of geeks and gamers ? Voting for those "noobs" is too boring for me lol. Eva Joly's video clip music is from Final Fantasy X Original version : | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
The inheritance tax is one of the most unfair taxes in the whole system. People are actually taxed twice, first when they pay their income tax (wich already takes 50%) and then when they die whatever they have build up is taxed once more for the inheritance tax. It also has more effect on poor people then on rich people, truly rich people dont pay this tax as they have so manny means to avoid it with trustfunds or whatever fiscal structure they need. Its the poor people who inherit only a little that suffer the most from this tax. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On April 23 2012 07:24 chuky500 wrote: Eva Joly's video clip music is from Final Fantasy X http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpQALLzqufg Original version : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgCrwvHPw-M Oh god that was painful to watch. My GF was all like "hey my brother said she used the music of Final Fantasy whatever, let's look!" Boy her campaign was bad. | ||
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Heweree
United Kingdom497 Posts
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Jago
Finland390 Posts
On April 23 2012 07:06 VyingsP wrote: On the other hand, Hollande has some good measures, such as the ineligibility for 10 years of the politicians convinced with corruption, or the increase of the inheritance tax (which is only fair, if you consider that being rich should be deserved and not inherited). WTF? Inheritance tax is one of the most retarded taxations in existence. So if I work my ass off to build a nestegg for my wife and children, pay my taxes throughout the decades, then I die and then... they have to pay taxes AGAIN? | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
On April 23 2012 07:24 chuky500 wrote: Eva Joly's video clip music is from Final Fantasy X http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpQALLzqufg Original version : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgCrwvHPw-M Lol I don't think she even knows that music is from FFX. Seriously she and her party want to "protect the planet" but they don't have a clue how to do it lol. The only way to protect the planet is to use the white materia to summon Holy ! | ||
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VyingsP
France174 Posts
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On April 23 2012 07:49 Shiragaku wrote: How the hell does the National Front have so many votes? Holy crap is that scary. Years and years of exciting people against strangers, discriminating them, while "fighting criminality and discrimination"... There was a good post about that a few pages ago. I agree there are extremists, and deliquants, but the more you talk about them, the more it artificially inflates the problem, and brings people to adher to their ideas. Plus, FN vote was always used as a contestation vote. Add to that all the right wing people who despise Sarkozy and didn't want to vote for him. Marine is much smarter than her father, too, and actually managed to improve the reputation of her party these last few years. But this is fucking scary indeed. Sigh. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On April 23 2012 07:32 Jago wrote: WTF? Inheritance tax is one of the most retarded taxations in existence. So if I work my ass off to build a nestegg for my wife and children, pay my taxes throughout the decades, then I die and then... they have to pay taxes AGAIN? Why should the money someone earns by inheritance be taxed at a lower rate than the money someone earns by working hard? Watch Anthony Weiner (I miss this guy SO much) completely demolish Megyn Kelly and Mike Huckabee on that precise topic: vs Megyn Kelly vs Mike Huckabee The fallacy that opponents of the estate tax use is the idea that the person who's dead has gotten taxed twice. That is NOT the case. That person got taxed once, when he earned his money. The person inheriting the money also gets taxed once, when receiving the money. | ||
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Heweree
United Kingdom497 Posts
On April 23 2012 07:49 Shiragaku wrote: How the hell does the National Front have so many votes? Holy crap is that scary. Actually the FN has no racist propositions in its program. Marine Lepen often said that she considers equal all French people whatever their race, religion etc.So on an official stance the FN can not be consider a racist party. Which was not the case during Jean-Marie Lepen. Not saying the party hasn't solid racist roots, just my explanation of their high score. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On April 23 2012 09:06 kwizach wrote: Why should the money someone earns by inheritance be taxed at a lower rate than the money someone earns by working hard? Alright, I'm going to go at this from a different angle. Well I understand the reasonings behind a high income tax, I must question if it's really worth it. I'll have to read up on the bill, but I imagine a lot of income taxes can simply be subverted by moving somewhere else/prior gifts/non-monetarial possesions, etc. Won't this bill just encourage rich people to change their assets, or even leave the country? (And by that, you wouldn't be able to tax anything.) | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On April 23 2012 09:16 1Eris1 wrote: The money's already been taxed before though. Inheritance taxes are always extra taxes on money, not the sole tax. See my edit in my previous post for clarification. The two people earning money (one through his work, the other through inheritance) get taxed once each, which is perfectly legitimate. There is no reason why someone who earns his money through inheritance should be taxed at a lower rate than someone who earns his money through hard work. edit: ok you just edited your post after seeing my initial edit :p I'll use this space to reply to your newly edited post. edit2: I feel that your new post moves beyond the discussion we were having on estate tax, and discussing the specific bill that was mentioned by A. Weiner would pretty much amount to derailing this thread which is about French elections, so it's probably best to stop here... We can continue this via PM if you want, but basically my position is that a higher income tax for the richest people (or at least removing the tax breaks they're currently enjoying) would result in increased revenue for the state. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On April 23 2012 09:06 kwizach wrote: Why should the money someone earns by inheritance be taxed at a lower rate than the money someone earns by working hard? Watch Anthony Weiner (I miss this guy SO much) completely demolish Megyn Kelly and Mike Huckabee on that precise topic: vs Megyn Kelly vs Mike Huckabee The fallacy that opponents of the estate tax use is the idea that the person who's dead has gotten taxed twice. That is NOT the case. That person got taxed once, when he earned his money. The person inheriting the money also gets taxed once, when receiving the money. Why should you have to pay in order to give your child something? That's a pretty twisted idea in its own. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On April 23 2012 09:43 BlackJack wrote: Why should you have to pay in order to give your child something? That's a pretty twisted idea in its own. You can donate money to each, and a child can receive from each family member up to around 30k€ every 10 years without paying taxes. That seems fine and enough to me. You can also give 150k€ in housing, or stocks, to your children, without paying taxes (double that for a couple) More looks okay to tax to me. "Hey, let's give our child 1 million !!" ......... Inheritance is another problem, explained in previous posts. It's a kind of revenue, as sad as it looks like. | ||
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Jago
Finland390 Posts
On April 23 2012 09:43 BlackJack wrote: Why should you have to pay in order to give your child something? That's a pretty twisted idea in its own. My country actually has a gift tax, I kid you not  Try to wrap your head around that one. | ||
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