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Scientists making attempt to Clone a Woolly Mammoth - Page 3
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Sandtrout
243 Posts
Also: Imagine how cute a baby woolly mammoth would be ^_^ | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On March 15 2012 23:18 -_-Quails wrote: Or, when understanding of genes, proteins and how they create organisms is developed enough, we could attempt to engineer organisms phenotypically identical to dinosaur species. Assuming that actual dinosaur DNA remains as scarce as I have been lead to believe. Haha yeah... It's actually not even as nuts as it sounds! I like your thinking. And much more practically, when we can do that, we'll be able to do things like organ and tissue engineering. Imagine having limitless skin with which to administer skin grafts to burn victims? | ||
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
On March 15 2012 22:14 Plexa wrote: Screw ethics, I want to see mammoths in my lifetime Pretty much. Good luck to them! | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On March 15 2012 23:43 zezamer wrote: I think it's really sad that talented scientists are working on cloning a zoo-animal instead of doing something real. You mean like cloning a lawyer or an engineer? | ||
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Bazzyrick
United Kingdom361 Posts
On March 15 2012 23:43 zezamer wrote: I think it's really sad that talented scientists are working on cloning a zoo-animal instead of doing something real. You obviously don't understand the wider benefits that experimenting with cloning can do, the benefits it can bring in other areas of Science. I believe someone mentioned already that cloning organs for transplants would be a good use to help combat waiting lists. "Something real". I would certainly call this something real. Think more broadly instead of being so narrow minded, they aren't just cloning a Woolly Mammoth because they want a spectacular Zoo exhibition. | ||
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nbaker
United States1341 Posts
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On March 15 2012 22:14 Plexa wrote: Screw ethics, I want to see mammoths in my lifetime This so much. I hope it actually works. | ||
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Miyoshino
314 Posts
Of course here of course they don't have a nucleus. Somehow they need to scrape the DNA together, arrange it in proper chromosomes and then somehow rely on I guess elephant organelles to get an actual nucleus. This is actually complex since you need to do complex things and not just something crude that just sometimes magically works because of chance. As for ethics. A huge number of mammals are slaughered every year. They live miserable lives and then are killed off. This happens by the millions every year. The number gets even more insane if you add in chickens. I don't know how one can object to cloning 1 extinct species to do actual science.when factory farming is completely moral and acceptable. | ||
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ccJroy
United States483 Posts
To be honest, i wouldn't even call it cloning at this stage of the process due to the nature of the Wooly mammoth. I believe it should be more, regenerative process of the species or some other method of describing this. | ||
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Bazzyrick
United Kingdom361 Posts
On March 15 2012 23:58 ccJroy wrote: I took a Bioethics course and this was one of the topics. The well preserved remains was due to the flash freeze if im not mistaken (ice age) and the controversy was if it could actually live after it was cloned and other factors that go into cloning. To be honest, i wouldn't even call it cloning at this stage of the process due to the nature of the Wooly mammoth. I believe it should be more, regenerative process of the species or some other method of describing this. I don't understand how anyone could call this unethical, there is no harmful treatment to animals. The only people who are likely to object are fanatically Religious people probably, flaming us for "playing God" or some shit. Science is whats allowed these people to live longer than 30 years so technically we have been "playing God" for centuries. Bring on the Woolly Mammoths. Edit: If the controversy was over whether it would survive living in our time or not, it would likely be kept in very carefully controlled conditions, not released into the Wild. It would likely be one of the most well looked after animals on the Planet. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On March 15 2012 23:53 Miyoshino wrote: The problem with cloning is not complexity. It is just that the method used is crude. You do a lot of damage to the egg cell by removing the original nucleus and then transplanting in the new one. They have no special progress to make this work. Most of the time it just doesn't. Sometimes it does. It's not like with a heart or some other organ transplant where you have to do a lot of stuff to make it work. As for ethics. A huge number of mammals are slaughered every year. They live miserable lives and then are killed off. This happens by the millions every year. The number gets even more insane if you add in chickens. I don't know how one can object to cloning 1 extinct species to do actual science.when factory farming is completely moral and acceptable. The thing with Factory Farming, it's basically like cloning. They altered the genes of those animals only to live a certain number of weeks so they can provide the quota. So either way, they're only growing them for them to die. I agree with how inhumane they kill them sometimes, but what can I do? They have already been doing this for plenty of years. Now, with cloning this Mammoth? If they can do this, that means, any kind of extinct animal can be brought back and we can study their methods and learn more from our past. It will be huge discovery and findings. I also agree with the clone farming for organs. Make a replicate of yourself, keep them cryogenically frozen, till you have a problem with one of your organs and bam, no wait list, but I'm pretty sure this is for people that have some money. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
On March 15 2012 23:46 Tristran wrote: You obviously don't understand the wider benefits that experimenting with cloning can do, the benefits it can bring in other areas of Science. I believe someone mentioned already that cloning organs for transplants would be a good use to help combat waiting lists. "Something real". I would certainly call this something real. Think more broadly instead of being so narrow minded, they aren't just cloning a Woolly Mammoth because they want a spectacular Zoo exhibition. Organs are grown from pluripotent stem cells. Cloning is just a way to get them. There's no reason to do it anymore since you can reprogram adult stem cells to become stem cells that act like pluripotent. Ton of guys who have worked on research that gets stem cells from cloning haven ditched it because of that. More efficient, no ethical problems. Working on cloning a mammoth is just waste of these guys talent. They could be working on stem cell research but yeah.. | ||
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fumikey
Canada58 Posts
On March 15 2012 21:55 Felnarion wrote: Well it wouldn't be a REAL mammoth if the mother is an Indian Elephant. But still kind of cool. Realistically though, it will probably live a painful, short, life, riddled with diseases and defects. Unfortunately, this is the way of scientific progress. | ||
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Bazzyrick
United Kingdom361 Posts
On March 16 2012 00:06 zezamer wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2012 23:46 Tristran wrote: You obviously don't understand the wider benefits that experimenting with cloning can do, the benefits it can bring in other areas of Science. I believe someone mentioned already that cloning organs for transplants would be a good use to help combat waiting lists. "Something real". I would certainly call this something real. Think more broadly instead of being so narrow minded, they aren't just cloning a Woolly Mammoth because they want a spectacular Zoo exhibition. Organs are grown from pluripotent stem cells. Cloning is just a way to get them. There's no reason to do it anymore since you can reprogram adult stem cells to become stem cells that act like pluripotent. Ton of guys who have worked on research that gets stem cells from cloning haven ditched it because of that. Working on cloning a mammoth is just waste of these guys talent. They could be working on stem cell research but yeah.. They are still 2 different fields of science. It isn't ONLY to learn how to clone human organs (it might not be at all, its just a possible use), it has all kinds of other uses as well. The study of Earth's History for a start. Who even said these scientists are the right kind of scientists to work on stem cells? Would you like EVERY scientist on Earth to study stem cells? Narrow minded thinking man, what did I say. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
On March 16 2012 00:09 Tristran wrote: They are still 2 different fields of science. It isn't ONLY to learn how to clone human organs (it might not be at all, its just a possible use), it has all kinds of other uses as well. The study of Earth's History for a start. Who even said these scientists are the right kind of scientists to work on stem cells? Would you like EVERY scientist on Earth to study stem cells? Narrow minded thinking man, what did I say. No, not everyone one of course... | ||
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sushichef
Scotland48 Posts
On March 15 2012 22:01 Ryuhou)aS( wrote: Didn't the swedes clone a sheep like 20 years ago? How is this a New thing now? meaning, why hasn't cloning been more common in science? Just the medical implications alone are staggering. Imagine a world where you can get an organ flash cloned and instead of waiting on a donor list for 10 years for a replacement, you can have your own cloned. Not Swedes but Scots (or rather a team in Scotland). Wooly mammoths are cool and all but aren't they just hairy elephants? I'm holding out for a dinosaur in the next 10-20 years. | ||
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Bazzyrick
United Kingdom361 Posts
Well then stop crapping on the thread and admit you'd be excited to see a living breathing Woolly Mammoth. If the cute-ness factor doesn't get you then the sheer amazement at Science should. I love Science <3 | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On March 15 2012 22:14 Plexa wrote: Screw ethics, I want to see mammoths in my lifetime This should be added to the OP. | ||
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