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LoL takes #1 E-sport spot in Korea - Page 16
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00Visor
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good for esports, a bit sad this could have been the spot for sc2 | ||
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Littlemuff
United Kingdom301 Posts
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On March 14 2012 22:39 Two_DoWn wrote: Open challenge to anyone in this thread who thinks lol is easy: I will give you as long as you want to train and put a team together. You will then play against a group of people I can get together from the LoL community here on TL. And then you will get crushed. Why don't you make that challenge to some active pro DotA/HoN team instead, hotshot. I bet they would rape you after some times practice. EDIT: Don't even need to be pro team for that matter. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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bruteMax
Canada339 Posts
On March 14 2012 22:32 HazMat wrote: The biggest thing I don't understand about most of the posts in here is how people assume that any one can become professional at Lol. Do you follow the pro-scene at all? CLG has been the best team in NA since the inception of competetive LoL. I highly doubt they'd be the best team in NA for so long if anyone could become pro. Look at the other teams, too. TSM and EG have been the top 3 NA teams since the first WCG where LoL was played. Hell, almost all of the players on these teams have been playing since beta or close to that. It took them 3 years to become the best and no grandmaster SC2 player will match them. From an individual point of view, the skill ceiling of a MOBA is not the barrier to entry to the pro scene. Being team games, the barrier to entry is the organization required to find and stick with 4 other like-minded people. The time required to develop the communication and coordination required to become a good team is the real barrier to the pro MOBA scene. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 14 2012 22:44 Gosi wrote: Why don't you make that challenge to some active pro DotA/HoN team instead, hotshot. I bet they would rape you after some times practice. Because Im not a pro player. If you think you can get a Dota/hon team to try it, Ill go see if I can get CLG or M5 and make it fair. | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On March 14 2012 22:44 Hapahauli wrote: Why is everyone taking a Kotaku opinion blog so seriously? It's internet after all. What do you expect when there's people who said SC2 is dead because LoL has huge prize pool? lol | ||
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blae000
Norway1640 Posts
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
On March 14 2012 22:44 Gosi wrote: Why don't you make that challenge to some active pro DotA/HoN team instead, hotshot. I bet they would rape you after some times practice. Because he's challenging TL posters that dissing LoL? Why would he challenge dota/hon team that have nothing to do with this lol. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 14 2012 22:44 Gosi wrote: Why don't you make that challenge to some active pro DotA/HoN team instead, hotshot. I bet they would rape you after some times practice. EDIT: Don't even need to be pro team for that matter. You know what kind of a LoL team teamliquid can make? The pro DotA or HoN team would need to practice like half a year to stand a chance if they have no previous LoL experience. | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On March 14 2012 22:48 Squeegy wrote: I find it funny that the new kids on TL who were so adamant on claiming that SC2 is not easier than BW are now calling LoL a joke compared to SC2. I find it funny indeed. people get all pansy when they hear the uncomfortable truth | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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bruteMax
Canada339 Posts
On March 14 2012 22:39 Two_DoWn wrote: Open challenge to anyone in this thread who thinks lol is easy: I will give you as long as you want to train and put a team together. You will then play against a group of people I can get together from the LoL community here on TL. And then you will get crushed. That doesn't prove anything. You are posing a challenge as an individual, and then saying "I can find 4 other friends and we can beat you and your friends". That doesn't change the fact that MOBAs are more accessible than an RTS like SC. A better challenge would be if you never played a game of SC2 before and were given a period of time to train, and an SC2 player who's never played LoL before had the same time to train. 1v1 each other in both games and see who has the better score overall. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
On March 14 2012 20:22 oGoZenob wrote: Word. This is like stopping competitive chess to support competitve connect 4 A bit harsh.....yet blunt. I agree, there is no need to beat around the bush. I know most of us always want challenging competitive games in general, but the era of truly awesome games seems to be dying to the newbreed of mass casual games. It's actually depressing, very very depressing. On March 14 2012 21:36 Shikyo wrote: A videogame getting more views than a game has ever before = death of esports? Shikyo, I find it ironic how you outcasted the idea of people just coming in here to rant about LoL being insufficient, yet all you've been doing THIS ENTIRE THREAD is posting biased LoL defense posts. Half of which are flame-baits. Just stop, people are going to rant, stop taking it upon yourself to be the police. | ||
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rkarhu
Finland570 Posts
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
On March 14 2012 22:28 red_ wrote: People keep saying LoL has a low skill ceiling as if it's gospel because you type it. It does perhaps have a low SKILL FLOOR, because the entry level is quite easy indeed; its skill ceiling however is potentially infinite(like any real time event between two humans, because you will constantly attempt to one up eachother and do unexpected things). Just because the game can be played mechanically to perfection with something like 100APM, does not mean the skill required overall(skill is not just mechanical ability) is low. Does Flash have the highest consistent APM of BW pros?(that's a rhetorical question, but for those who don't know the implied answer is no, yet he is still 'god') The problem is once you remove mechanical skills from any game, those games tend to promote decision-making. Also other types of skills that can't be "taken to a whole new level", map awareness, situational awareness, reflexes in certain situations etc. Because seriously how will you actually train your decision making? It's just massing the game and hoping all kinds of random factors that are inside your head form up a solid way to think in game. I've played LoL for about ~800 hours, DotA2 for ~400 hours just for perspective, and I think that the closer you get to being "pro" in LoL the more stale it gets, you're mostly relying on the opponent making a mistake and you capitalizing on that(ofc all games work like that but in LoL it's evidently seen more). When two pros face off in LoL there's not going much, there's the decision making and the mind games but without mechanical skill it's really really hard to say who's better. You brought up Flash, and people always quote him for not being known for his mechanics-- the mechanics are still a key here, in connection with his other more mind-related skills. The main problem I have with games that require low mechanical skill is that if you put two equally skilled people to play 1vs1 you won't see much deviation from their playstyle. ~All a big IMO~ | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On March 14 2012 22:23 cozzE wrote: I've seen a fair share of average posts on TL, but this one has to be close to topping the lot. You didn't raise any coherent or even semi-valid points. The point which most are expressing (which is COMPLETELY different to that of the SC2/BW debate) is that LoL has significantly lower skill ceiling and thus allows for great entry for new players. This is without considering that the game is F2P. Sure it's great that it's getting esports out there but it's kind of a smack to the face for players across all games that have grinded many hours playing very hard to learn games; especially when the professional (yuck) LoL players make so much cash so easily via streams and over-paid tournaments. Skill ceiling != entry barrier. Durp. If League tournaments would be that easy to win and that over-paid as you describe every single professional gamer would be all over them. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On March 14 2012 22:49 konadora wrote: people get all pansy when they hear the uncomfortable truth I think the best part is that they NEVER acknowledge this point. Everyone just derps around it and compares apples and oranges. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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