EPTI feel that the people who don't want to "accept" this fact that LoL is becoming #1 Esport are just too biased. Riot worked hard for this and they deserve the spot.
LoL takes #1 E-sport spot in Korea - Page 18
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XiGua
Sweden3085 Posts
I feel that the people who don't want to "accept" this fact that LoL is becoming #1 Esport are just too biased. Riot worked hard for this and they deserve the spot. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
1) Low skill entry 2) Free 3) Team play What other huge sports sounds similar? Oh right, soccer. These will get you the audience and the player base. Being fun is subjective (I personally enjoy dota more, but that's a whole another issue), but these are what's pulling in the audience in korea and it's working pretty damn well. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On March 14 2012 22:58 InFdude wrote: Lol go see how much views the dota 2 trailer got and how much views each champion spotlight in LoL gets and then talk about how dota 2 is going to overtake LoL. On topic as BW proleague fan I'm kinda sad to hear about this but I very much prefer LoL taking over , over SC2. I consider myself as an avid BW fans. LoL and BW is at the opposite polar side of the same planetary space. BW have epitomized itself as "chess on crack" with the hardest gameplay while LoL is catered around the casual market. I feel that SC2 have tried to satisfied both market and now its putting itself into a very awkward position. You either go full hardcore or full casual. In which my stance for LoL is rather amicable because of its ease of accessibility and the better management | ||
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Anachromy
United States194 Posts
Basketball Didn't Kill Hockey. LoL Won't kill SC2/BW For E-Sports to truly Cultivate itself, it needs added exposure. additional games that people can rally behind is a good thing. Why can't some people understand this? | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
And man is that difficult. | ||
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Jiiks
Finland487 Posts
On March 14 2012 22:58 InFdude wrote: Lol go see how much views the dota 2 trailer got and how much views each champion spotlight in LoL gets and then talk about how dota 2 is going to overtake LoL. On topic as BW proleague fan I'm kinda sad to hear about this but I very much prefer LoL taking over , over SC2. According to youtube dota 2 trailer has more views than any lol champion spotlight? Anyways i don't care about those games, bw/sc2 are the only games i'd prob ever watch. | ||
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THM
Bulgaria1131 Posts
On March 14 2012 22:48 Squeegy wrote: I find it funny that the new kids on TL who were so adamant on claiming that SC2 is not easier than BW are now calling LoL a joke compared to SC2. I find it funny indeed. That is because it is true, LoL is a joke compared to SC2. And 2 times more of a joke compared to BW. In terms of skill ceiling that is. And I don't know who in their right mind would say that SC2 is not easier than BW. It's way easier, but still way way harder than LoL or DotA. | ||
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
On March 14 2012 23:05 BluzMan wrote: Geez, I'm so unhappy with the way this discussion is going. People try to use strange words like "skill ceiling" (that effectively should mean that you can't get better. Well wtf, there's no such thing) or LoL being "easier" than SC2. Wtf is that, really? It's equally hard to be good at anything provided there's competition. If winning at LoL takes you 6 hours of training per day, it only means that there's noone who practices 10 hours yet. It's not about being easy or hard. SC2 is not easy compared to SC, SC2 is bad compared to SC. The only thing about those two games is that SC is much more fun to play and watch. And shit like MBS, automine or whatever other 'killer feature' don't mean anything, it's just the badly designed units, badly implemented pathfinding and a bad storyline stripped of 2/3 of the game's races to get more money with "expansions" that never saw the light of day. That in turn limits the influx of new players etc. LoL's immense playerbase and recent growth proves that it's fun. It's more fun than SC2 to play and recently with the increase of the average skill level among top players it's become rather fun to watch. It's a better game. And please throw away all that bullshit about easiness. V are people wharious activities may have different entry levels (the amount of effort required to feel generally in control), but pushing anything to it's limit is equally hard. Just because pushing something to the limit means working as hard as possible. Progamerso push games to their limits, that easy. And, if anything, a low entry level is a good thing for the game, not bad, because it attracts audiences. Bitching about that is nothing but arrogance. When it comes to player base, you can't compare a f2p-game with one that costs like 40-50 euro. Ofc there's not a "skill ceiling" if you dumb it down, you can always micro just a bit better or macro just a tiny bit better. The skill ceiling more refers to the fact that if player X practices for 2 hours/day and player Y practices for 8 hours/day and they are still comparable in skill (provided they have the same potential regarding RTS-games) then yes, there is a pretty low skill ceiling. Consider Quake where a 75-80% hit rate with railgun is considered amazing, the fact that there is still 20-25% to improve on there means that the skill ceiling is high. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 14 2012 23:09 THM wrote: That is because it is true, LoL is a joke compared to SC2. And 2 times more of a joke compared to BW. In terms of skill ceiling that is. And I don't know who in their right mind would say that SC2 is not easier than BW. It's way easier, but still way way harder than LoL or DotA. Do you have any idea what "skill ceiling" means? | ||
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
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MaV_gGSC
Canada1345 Posts
On March 14 2012 23:08 Anachromy wrote: Football Didn't Kill Baseball. Basketball Didn't Kill Hockey. LoL Won't kill SC2/BW For E-Sports to truly Cultivate itself, it needs added exposure. additional games that people can rally behind is a good thing. Why can't some people understand this? Wow, well put. I think it's just the elitism that exists within sc/sc2 scene. It seems that BW players have always bashed the sc2 and now sc2 players look at LoL in the same eyes as BW fans see sc2 | ||
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TigerKarl
1757 Posts
I also think that the essence of pro play can't be transported via E-Sports: Team strategies and communication stay largely hidden, so i've really not enjoyed the few events i watched. Also huge parts of the LoL community are unbearable. I can count the number of respectful games without flaming and hatred by the fingers of one hand, whereas i hardly ever find the same amount of ignorance in a game of Starcraft. So for me it's sad that LoL might become the big horse of E-Sports, i'd really prefer to see Starcraft in that position. | ||
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MutaDoom
Canada1163 Posts
On March 14 2012 23:08 Anachromy wrote: Football Didn't Kill Baseball. Basketball Didn't Kill Hockey. LoL Won't kill SC2/BW For E-Sports to truly Cultivate itself, it needs added exposure. additional games that people can rally behind is a good thing. Why can't some people understand this? Lol I am fairly certain that hockey ratings recently have started to overshadow basketball in the American market, so quite the opposite actually. BW has been dwindling guys (Team 8 lol), it is time to accept the new wave ? /rant Edit: eSports can never succeed unless we stop being elitists and all get on the same page. BW is harder than WoL, WoL is harder than LoL. This allows a wider audience, not everyone has been gaming since they were 3. Sports like bball and soccer have a gentle learning curve and are immensely difficult to master, maybe games will end up that way too. However, we will never know if we, one of the largest supporters of eSports on the internet, bash our own thing. Stop looking from a SC point of view and start looking from a general eSports POV /rant | ||
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OopsOopsBaby
Singapore3425 Posts
On March 14 2012 23:09 THM wrote: That is because it is true, LoL is a joke compared to SC2. And 2 times more of a joke compared to BW. In terms of skill ceiling that is. And I don't know who in their right mind would say that SC2 is not easier than BW. It's way easier, but still way way harder than LoL or DotA. what is the skill ceiling of sc2 and lol? and what is skill ceiling? | ||
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Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
On March 14 2012 23:12 Xcobidoo wrote: When it comes to player base, you can't compare a f2p-game with one that costs like 40-50 euro. Ofc there's not a "skill ceiling" if you dumb it down, you can always micro just a bit better or macro just a tiny bit better. The skill ceiling more refers to the fact that if player X practices for 2 hours/day and player Y practices for 8 hours/day and they are still comparable in skill (provided they have the same potential regarding RTS-games) then yes, there is a pretty low skill ceiling. Consider Quake where a 75-80% hit rate with railgun is considered amazing, the fact that there is still 20-25% to improve on there means that the skill ceiling is high. So it took me less time to reach the top 2% in starcraft then it did for me to reach the top 10% in LoL. Does this mean LoL has a higher skillceiling? | ||
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Tal
United Kingdom1015 Posts
On March 14 2012 23:08 Xiphos wrote: I consider myself as an avid BW fans. LoL and BW is at the opposite polar side of the same planetary space. BW have epitomized itself as "chess on crack" with the hardest gameplay while LoL is catered around the casual market. I feel that SC2 have tried to satisfied both market and now its putting itself into a very awkward position. You either go full hardcore or full casual. In which my stance for LoL is rather amicable because of its ease of accessibility and the better management I'm in the same boat. If I'm looking for a game based around mastery of mechanics I certainly won't go to SC2 - I'll go to BW. LoL's mechanics are relatively easy, but that just lets you focus on the other parts of gameplay. Reacting to 9 other peoples' every move is quite a challenge. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On March 14 2012 23:14 Klipsys wrote: Sigh, so many hipster nerds mad because sc2 isn't the second coming of esports....LoL is a great game, it's insanely popular, and it's the only game right now that has a chance of having worldwide success far past any other game ever made competitively . It’s vomit inducing how many fake esports fans we have here on TL. It seems most are only sc or sc2 esports fans, all other games be dammed. Straight up i like BW. I don't give a rats arse about esports lol. Edit: Downloading LoL right now lmao. | ||
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doktorfrost
Germany63 Posts
i tried it last year and i found it too boring to even play more then 5 minutes.. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 14 2012 23:16 MutaDoom wrote: Lol I am fairly certain that hockey ratings recently have started to overshadow basketball in the American market, so quite the opposite actually. BW has been dwindling guys (Team 8 lol), it is time to accept the new wave Funny, that's what people said about SC2. And now the SC2 guys are all unhappy about LoL taking over. On March 14 2012 23:17 ShadeR wrote: Straight up i like BW. I don't give a rats arse about esports lol. Personally, I have no qualms if you're frank and honest about that. It's just the hypocrisy of a lot of SC2 fans that's both amusing and irritating at the same time. | ||
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shalafi
394 Posts
On March 14 2012 23:08 Anachromy wrote: Football Didn't Kill Baseball. Basketball Didn't Kill Hockey. LoL Won't kill SC2/BW For E-Sports to truly Cultivate itself, it needs added exposure. additional games that people can rally behind is a good thing. Why can't some people understand this? To be honest, LoL is going to take a lot of the workforce, spotlight and investment that other games have been enjoying. It might not kill them (I wouldn't be surprised if it did, though) but it will lower the quality for sure. Just look at how the most famous BW caster (Kim Carrier) is now a LoL walking advertisement. Or many BW players are now LoL advertisements/ "team coaches": It's pretty obvious that Tencent (owner of ~93% of Riot) is doing a great job, putting the money where it matters to get popular. Tough luck for all of us that don't really like LoL, but there's nothing we can do about it. | ||
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