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On March 14 2012 06:56 BoX wrote:
Everyone knows that Bacon contains a ridiculously high amount of fats.
A strip of bacon, once a week, is not bad for you. In fact, it's potentially HEALTHY for you, if you are otherwise not getting that kind of fatty nutrition in your diet.
If you're a dumbass and you're shoveling a ton of fat into your gullet on a daily basis, yes, you're in trouble.
It would be nice if these essays were perfectly clear on nutrition, instead of throwing out shit like this without the whole story. BRB, ORANGE JUICE IS BAD FOR YOU BECAUSE TOO MUCH VITAMIN C WILL GIVE YOU KIDNEY STONES.
Orange juice actually is ridiculously bad for you lol.
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On March 14 2012 07:36 PHILtheTANK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 06:56 BoX wrote:
Everyone knows that Bacon contains a ridiculously high amount of fats.
A strip of bacon, once a week, is not bad for you. In fact, it's potentially HEALTHY for you, if you are otherwise not getting that kind of fatty nutrition in your diet.
If you're a dumbass and you're shoveling a ton of fat into your gullet on a daily basis, yes, you're in trouble.
It would be nice if these essays were perfectly clear on nutrition, instead of throwing out shit like this without the whole story. BRB, ORANGE JUICE IS BAD FOR YOU BECAUSE TOO MUCH VITAMIN C WILL GIVE YOU KIDNEY STONES. Orange juice actually is ridiculously bad for you lol.
The way Tropicana and Minute Maid make OJ isn't much more appealing than the way bacon is made either. :| Real OJ is fine though, since it still has fiber.
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On March 14 2012 06:27 kidd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 05:57 Slithe wrote:On March 14 2012 05:46 tuho12345 wrote:
lol those guys from Epic Meal Time are all fucked rofl.
BTW Bacon is good when you eat just a few, I can't understand why some ppl can eat that every day, it makes you fatttt No it doesn't. Eating too much makes you fat. What you eat has very little to do with it. I hope you're trolling or you clearly know nothing about nutrition. While it's true that eating too much of anything will increase your weight, what you eat makes a HUGE difference - almost in every part of your being. Does anyone else think this article/research/study is pointless? It's like NEWSFLASH: unhealthy food is bad for you and healthier foods are better for you!
I'm curious, what is your level of knowledge on nutrition? Which of the below options describes you best?
1) A nutrionist or some other specialist that gives you deeper insight into this subject.
2) A regular person who's knowledge of nutrition largely stems from their education in K-12.
3) A casual enthusiast of nutrition who has read some studies here and there, and have come to some conclusion about how nutrition works.
Anyway, the only point I'm making is that the primary determining factor of weight gain/loss is calories consumed vs calories burned. Bacon calories are not somehow magically more fat-inducing than other calories. As long as you're maintaining your calories properly, you will not get fat even if you eat bacon. This is why I do not like generic statements like "(X) makes you fat".
You could argue that you're more likely to eat too much bacon, whereas it's very hard to overeat vegetables, but that's a different argument altogether.
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On March 14 2012 07:38 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 07:36 PHILtheTANK wrote:On March 14 2012 06:56 BoX wrote:
Everyone knows that Bacon contains a ridiculously high amount of fats.
A strip of bacon, once a week, is not bad for you. In fact, it's potentially HEALTHY for you, if you are otherwise not getting that kind of fatty nutrition in your diet.
If you're a dumbass and you're shoveling a ton of fat into your gullet on a daily basis, yes, you're in trouble.
It would be nice if these essays were perfectly clear on nutrition, instead of throwing out shit like this without the whole story. BRB, ORANGE JUICE IS BAD FOR YOU BECAUSE TOO MUCH VITAMIN C WILL GIVE YOU KIDNEY STONES. Orange juice actually is ridiculously bad for you lol. The way Tropicana and Minute Maid make OJ isn't much more appealing than the way bacon is made either. :| Real OJ is fine though, since it still has fiber.
Agreed. Especially with all this recent crap that has come out about OJ and those "flavor packets" I can't see it being any less appealing.
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I'm just gonna say whoever says says red meat (or bacon) is bad for you is delusional or has an agenda. I don't feel qualified to explain why this particular study is inacurate, but I'm sure if anyone interested posts on the paleo diet thread he'll get a proper answer.
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On March 14 2012 07:38 Slithe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 06:27 kidd wrote:On March 14 2012 05:57 Slithe wrote:On March 14 2012 05:46 tuho12345 wrote:
lol those guys from Epic Meal Time are all fucked rofl.
BTW Bacon is good when you eat just a few, I can't understand why some ppl can eat that every day, it makes you fatttt No it doesn't. Eating too much makes you fat. What you eat has very little to do with it. I hope you're trolling or you clearly know nothing about nutrition. While it's true that eating too much of anything will increase your weight, what you eat makes a HUGE difference - almost in every part of your being. Does anyone else think this article/research/study is pointless? It's like NEWSFLASH: unhealthy food is bad for you and healthier foods are better for you! I'm curious, what is your level of knowledge on nutrition? Which of the below options describes you best? 1) A nutrionist or some other specialist that gives you deeper insight into this subject. 2) A regular person who's knowledge of nutrition largely stems from their education in K-12. 3) A casual enthusiast of nutrition who has read some studies here and there, and have come to some conclusion about how nutrition works. Anyway, the only point I'm making is that the primary determining factor of weight gain/loss is calories consumed vs calories burned. Bacon calories are not somehow magically more fat-inducing than other calories. As long as you're maintaining your calories properly, you will not get fat even if you eat bacon. This is why I do not like generic statements like "(X) makes you fat". You could argue that you're more likely to eat too much bacon, whereas it's very hard to overeat vegetables, but that's a different argument altogether.
I don't know, I wonder what 2 people that eat exactly the same amount of calories with no exercise ( or just exactly same amount of calorie burning), but one gets his calories from garbage and the other from healthy foods will look like.
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Ugh. So sad. I love bacon.  And red meat.
However, I typically don't like sausages....and don't even eat bacon that often, so its not too bad. However, not sure if I can or want to cut out red meat completely.
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On March 14 2012 07:41 GoTuNk! wrote:
I'm just gonna say whoever says says red meat (or bacon) is bad for you is delusional or has an agenda. I don't feel qualified to explain why this particular study is inacurate, but I'm sure if anyone interested posts on the paleo diet thread he'll get a proper answer.
"i think you're wrong, but i have no support for saying you are wrong and no qualifications to say you are wrong."
the paleo diet is not based on processed meat, which is what is the focus of these studies. indeed, processed meat would totally go against the paleo diet, which is supposed to be based on pre-industrialization diet.
edit: well, the main focus is on how bad processed meat is, but it also is negative towards non-processed meat as well.
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On March 14 2012 07:39 PHILtheTANK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 07:38 Jibba wrote:On March 14 2012 07:36 PHILtheTANK wrote:On March 14 2012 06:56 BoX wrote:
Everyone knows that Bacon contains a ridiculously high amount of fats.
A strip of bacon, once a week, is not bad for you. In fact, it's potentially HEALTHY for you, if you are otherwise not getting that kind of fatty nutrition in your diet.
If you're a dumbass and you're shoveling a ton of fat into your gullet on a daily basis, yes, you're in trouble.
It would be nice if these essays were perfectly clear on nutrition, instead of throwing out shit like this without the whole story. BRB, ORANGE JUICE IS BAD FOR YOU BECAUSE TOO MUCH VITAMIN C WILL GIVE YOU KIDNEY STONES. Orange juice actually is ridiculously bad for you lol. The way Tropicana and Minute Maid make OJ isn't much more appealing than the way bacon is made either. :| Real OJ is fine though, since it still has fiber. Agreed. Especially with all this recent crap that has come out about OJ and those "flavor packets" I can't see it being any less appealing.
What??? You don't like artificially created "natural" compounds which, when added to flavorless deaerated juice that had been sitting in a vat for a year, creates millions of gallons of an exact tasting replica of a chemical compound chosen by business executives for branding purposes?
All the parts came from nature, just like Frankenstein.
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On March 14 2012 07:42 solidbebe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 07:38 Slithe wrote:On March 14 2012 06:27 kidd wrote:On March 14 2012 05:57 Slithe wrote:On March 14 2012 05:46 tuho12345 wrote:
lol those guys from Epic Meal Time are all fucked rofl.
BTW Bacon is good when you eat just a few, I can't understand why some ppl can eat that every day, it makes you fatttt No it doesn't. Eating too much makes you fat. What you eat has very little to do with it. I hope you're trolling or you clearly know nothing about nutrition. While it's true that eating too much of anything will increase your weight, what you eat makes a HUGE difference - almost in every part of your being. Does anyone else think this article/research/study is pointless? It's like NEWSFLASH: unhealthy food is bad for you and healthier foods are better for you! I'm curious, what is your level of knowledge on nutrition? Which of the below options describes you best? 1) A nutrionist or some other specialist that gives you deeper insight into this subject. 2) A regular person who's knowledge of nutrition largely stems from their education in K-12. 3) A casual enthusiast of nutrition who has read some studies here and there, and have come to some conclusion about how nutrition works. Anyway, the only point I'm making is that the primary determining factor of weight gain/loss is calories consumed vs calories burned. Bacon calories are not somehow magically more fat-inducing than other calories. As long as you're maintaining your calories properly, you will not get fat even if you eat bacon. This is why I do not like generic statements like "(X) makes you fat". You could argue that you're more likely to eat too much bacon, whereas it's very hard to overeat vegetables, but that's a different argument altogether. I don't know, I wonder what 2 people that eat exactly the same amount of calories with no exercise ( or just exactly same amount of calorie burning), but one gets his calories from garbage and the other from healthy foods will look like.
I'm sure the garbage-eater will have deplorable health, but he still won't be fat.
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On March 14 2012 07:36 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 07:17 Tektos wrote:
Eating bacon or disgusting processed hotdogs EVERY DAY is bad for you? Gosh who knew!!
The study doesn't use common sense. If someone eats hot dogs on a frequent basis they're probably not the most active and healthy people in other aspects of their life. Labelling the study as "red meat is bad for you" is very misleading.
Having the occasional steak is not bad for you. You think that you're smarter than the researchers who did this study? They adjusted for BMI, age, physical activity, smoking, drinking amount, hormone use, menopausal status, and a ton more stuff when they did their calculations for hazard ratios and dose response relationships. You can argue over whether or not their statistical analysis was done correctly but you should probably know what you're talking about before you say anything. Read: Show nested quote +We used time-dependent Cox proportional hazards regression models to assess the association of red meat consumption with cause-specific and total mortality risks during follow-up. We conducted analyses separately for each cohort. In multivariate analysis, we simultaneously controlled for intakes of total energy, whole grains, fruits, and vegetables (all in quintiles) and for other potential nondietary confounding variables with updated information at each 2- or 4-year questionnaire cycle. These variables included age; body mass index (calculated as weight in kilograms divided by height in meters squared) (<23.0, 23.0-24.9, 25.0-29.9, 30.0-34.9, or 35.0); race (white or nonwhite); smoking status (never, past, or current [1-14, 15-24, or 25 cigarettes per day]); alcohol intake (0, 0.1-4.9, 5.0-14.9, or 15.0 g/d in women; 0, 0.1-4.9, 5.0-29.9, or 30.0 g/d in men); physical activity level (<3.0, 3.0-8.9, 9.0-17.9, 18.0-26.9, or 27.0 hours of metabolic equivalent tasks per week); multivitamin use (yes or no); aspirin use (yes or no); family history of diabetes mellitus, myocardial infarction, or cancer; and baseline history of diabetes mellitus, hypertension, or hypercholesterolemia. In women, we also adjusted for postmenopausal status and menopausal hormone use.
Its a self-assessment questionnaire updated every 4 years. Do you not see ANY issue with that at all?
And if it wasn't known to you already, why is the correlation of eating bacon daily and increased mortality rate a surprise to you?
I'm not at all claiming to be smarter than the people who did this study, and yes I'm aware that they took those factors into account. Thanks for your smug post though. However, all they have proven is a correlation between eating unhealthy food and mortality rate.
This type of study gets misconstrued into "RED MEAT WILL KILL YOU" which is completely and utterly false - that was my point.
On March 14 2012 07:50 Slithe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 07:42 solidbebe wrote:On March 14 2012 07:38 Slithe wrote:On March 14 2012 06:27 kidd wrote:On March 14 2012 05:57 Slithe wrote:On March 14 2012 05:46 tuho12345 wrote:
lol those guys from Epic Meal Time are all fucked rofl.
BTW Bacon is good when you eat just a few, I can't understand why some ppl can eat that every day, it makes you fatttt No it doesn't. Eating too much makes you fat. What you eat has very little to do with it. I hope you're trolling or you clearly know nothing about nutrition. While it's true that eating too much of anything will increase your weight, what you eat makes a HUGE difference - almost in every part of your being. Does anyone else think this article/research/study is pointless? It's like NEWSFLASH: unhealthy food is bad for you and healthier foods are better for you! I'm curious, what is your level of knowledge on nutrition? Which of the below options describes you best? 1) A nutrionist or some other specialist that gives you deeper insight into this subject. 2) A regular person who's knowledge of nutrition largely stems from their education in K-12. 3) A casual enthusiast of nutrition who has read some studies here and there, and have come to some conclusion about how nutrition works. Anyway, the only point I'm making is that the primary determining factor of weight gain/loss is calories consumed vs calories burned. Bacon calories are not somehow magically more fat-inducing than other calories. As long as you're maintaining your calories properly, you will not get fat even if you eat bacon. This is why I do not like generic statements like "(X) makes you fat". You could argue that you're more likely to eat too much bacon, whereas it's very hard to overeat vegetables, but that's a different argument altogether. I don't know, I wonder what 2 people that eat exactly the same amount of calories with no exercise ( or just exactly same amount of calorie burning), but one gets his calories from garbage and the other from healthy foods will look like. I'm sure the garbage-eater will have deplorable health, but he still won't be fat.
This all started with the claim that "bacon makes you fat". People feel full based on quantity of food consumed, not calories consumed.
Eating 500g of bacon will make you fatter than if you eat 500g of lettuce.
So the original claim is true, is it not?
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On March 14 2012 07:38 Slithe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 06:27 kidd wrote:On March 14 2012 05:57 Slithe wrote:On March 14 2012 05:46 tuho12345 wrote:
lol those guys from Epic Meal Time are all fucked rofl.
BTW Bacon is good when you eat just a few, I can't understand why some ppl can eat that every day, it makes you fatttt No it doesn't. Eating too much makes you fat. What you eat has very little to do with it. I hope you're trolling or you clearly know nothing about nutrition. While it's true that eating too much of anything will increase your weight, what you eat makes a HUGE difference - almost in every part of your being. Does anyone else think this article/research/study is pointless? It's like NEWSFLASH: unhealthy food is bad for you and healthier foods are better for you! I'm curious, what is your level of knowledge on nutrition? Which of the below options describes you best? 1) A nutrionist or some other specialist that gives you deeper insight into this subject. 2) A regular person who's knowledge of nutrition largely stems from their education in K-12. 3) A casual enthusiast of nutrition who has read some studies here and there, and have come to some conclusion about how nutrition works. Anyway, the only point I'm making is that the primary determining factor of weight gain/loss is calories consumed vs calories burned. Bacon calories are not somehow magically more fat-inducing than other calories. As long as you're maintaining your calories properly, you will not get fat even if you eat bacon. This is why I do not like generic statements like "(X) makes you fat". You could argue that you're more likely to eat too much bacon, whereas it's very hard to overeat vegetables, but that's a different argument altogether.
foods that are high in glycemic index will cause an insulin spike afterward, triggering your body to store all those calories it consumed as fat. so it totally makes a difference what you eat. If it was just about calories in vs calories out, then assume you are currently staying at the same weight. if what you said were true, that means you are consuming exactly an equal # of calories in as you are expanding. that means something as trivial as eating an additional piece of candy every day would cause you to get morbidly obese in a few years. but that's not really how it works.
can't find the article on it, but read it somewhere on a nutrition thread
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On March 14 2012 07:49 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 07:39 PHILtheTANK wrote:On March 14 2012 07:38 Jibba wrote:On March 14 2012 07:36 PHILtheTANK wrote:On March 14 2012 06:56 BoX wrote:
Everyone knows that Bacon contains a ridiculously high amount of fats.
A strip of bacon, once a week, is not bad for you. In fact, it's potentially HEALTHY for you, if you are otherwise not getting that kind of fatty nutrition in your diet.
If you're a dumbass and you're shoveling a ton of fat into your gullet on a daily basis, yes, you're in trouble.
It would be nice if these essays were perfectly clear on nutrition, instead of throwing out shit like this without the whole story. BRB, ORANGE JUICE IS BAD FOR YOU BECAUSE TOO MUCH VITAMIN C WILL GIVE YOU KIDNEY STONES. Orange juice actually is ridiculously bad for you lol. The way Tropicana and Minute Maid make OJ isn't much more appealing than the way bacon is made either. :| Real OJ is fine though, since it still has fiber. Agreed. Especially with all this recent crap that has come out about OJ and those "flavor packets" I can't see it being any less appealing. What??? You don't like artificially created "natural" compounds which, when added to flavorless deaerated juice that had been sitting in a vat for a year, creates millions of gallons of an exact tasting replica of a chemical compound chosen by executives? All the parts came from nature, just like Frankenstein.
Chosen by executives is where your point went way the fuck down hill.
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On March 14 2012 07:49 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 07:39 PHILtheTANK wrote:On March 14 2012 07:38 Jibba wrote:On March 14 2012 07:36 PHILtheTANK wrote:On March 14 2012 06:56 BoX wrote:
Everyone knows that Bacon contains a ridiculously high amount of fats.
A strip of bacon, once a week, is not bad for you. In fact, it's potentially HEALTHY for you, if you are otherwise not getting that kind of fatty nutrition in your diet.
If you're a dumbass and you're shoveling a ton of fat into your gullet on a daily basis, yes, you're in trouble.
It would be nice if these essays were perfectly clear on nutrition, instead of throwing out shit like this without the whole story. BRB, ORANGE JUICE IS BAD FOR YOU BECAUSE TOO MUCH VITAMIN C WILL GIVE YOU KIDNEY STONES. Orange juice actually is ridiculously bad for you lol. The way Tropicana and Minute Maid make OJ isn't much more appealing than the way bacon is made either. :| Real OJ is fine though, since it still has fiber. Agreed. Especially with all this recent crap that has come out about OJ and those "flavor packets" I can't see it being any less appealing. What??? You don't like artificially created "natural" compounds which, when added to flavorless deaerated juice that had been sitting in a vat for a year, creates millions of gallons of an exact tasting replica of a chemical compound chosen by executives? All the parts came from nature, just like Frankenstein.
But bro, if they didn't do this my OJ wouldn have that signature Tropicana taste. I wouldn't want it to taste like that years orange crop.
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On March 14 2012 07:51 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 07:49 Jibba wrote:On March 14 2012 07:39 PHILtheTANK wrote:On March 14 2012 07:38 Jibba wrote:On March 14 2012 07:36 PHILtheTANK wrote:On March 14 2012 06:56 BoX wrote:
Everyone knows that Bacon contains a ridiculously high amount of fats.
A strip of bacon, once a week, is not bad for you. In fact, it's potentially HEALTHY for you, if you are otherwise not getting that kind of fatty nutrition in your diet.
If you're a dumbass and you're shoveling a ton of fat into your gullet on a daily basis, yes, you're in trouble.
It would be nice if these essays were perfectly clear on nutrition, instead of throwing out shit like this without the whole story. BRB, ORANGE JUICE IS BAD FOR YOU BECAUSE TOO MUCH VITAMIN C WILL GIVE YOU KIDNEY STONES. Orange juice actually is ridiculously bad for you lol. The way Tropicana and Minute Maid make OJ isn't much more appealing than the way bacon is made either. :| Real OJ is fine though, since it still has fiber. Agreed. Especially with all this recent crap that has come out about OJ and those "flavor packets" I can't see it being any less appealing. What??? You don't like artificially created "natural" compounds which, when added to flavorless deaerated juice that had been sitting in a vat for a year, creates millions of gallons of an exact tasting replica of a chemical compound chosen by executives? All the parts came from nature, just like Frankenstein. Chosen by executives is where your point went way the fuck down hill. Why?
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On March 14 2012 07:51 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 07:36 ZeaL. wrote:On March 14 2012 07:17 Tektos wrote:
Eating bacon or disgusting processed hotdogs EVERY DAY is bad for you? Gosh who knew!!
The study doesn't use common sense. If someone eats hot dogs on a frequent basis they're probably not the most active and healthy people in other aspects of their life. Labelling the study as "red meat is bad for you" is very misleading.
Having the occasional steak is not bad for you. You think that you're smarter than the researchers who did this study? They adjusted for BMI, age, physical activity, smoking, drinking amount, hormone use, menopausal status, and a ton more stuff when they did their calculations for hazard ratios and dose response relationships. You can argue over whether or not their statistical analysis was done correctly but you should probably know what you're talking about before you say anything. Read: We used time-dependent Cox proportional hazards regression models to assess the association of red meat consumption with cause-specific and total mortality risks during follow-up. We conducted analyses separately for each cohort. In multivariate analysis, we simultaneously controlled for intakes of total energy, whole grains, fruits, and vegetables (all in quintiles) and for other potential nondietary confounding variables with updated information at each 2- or 4-year questionnaire cycle. These variables included age; body mass index (calculated as weight in kilograms divided by height in meters squared) (<23.0, 23.0-24.9, 25.0-29.9, 30.0-34.9, or 35.0); race (white or nonwhite); smoking status (never, past, or current [1-14, 15-24, or 25 cigarettes per day]); alcohol intake (0, 0.1-4.9, 5.0-14.9, or 15.0 g/d in women; 0, 0.1-4.9, 5.0-29.9, or 30.0 g/d in men); physical activity level (<3.0, 3.0-8.9, 9.0-17.9, 18.0-26.9, or 27.0 hours of metabolic equivalent tasks per week); multivitamin use (yes or no); aspirin use (yes or no); family history of diabetes mellitus, myocardial infarction, or cancer; and baseline history of diabetes mellitus, hypertension, or hypercholesterolemia. In women, we also adjusted for postmenopausal status and menopausal hormone use. Its a self-assessment questionnaire updated every 4 years. Do you not see ANY issue with that at all? And if it wasn't known to you already, why is the correlation of eating bacon daily and increased mortality rate a surprise to you? I'm not at all claiming to be smarter than the people who did this study, and yes I'm aware that they took those factors into account. Thanks for your smug post though. However, all they have proven is a correlation between eating unhealthy food and mortality rate. This type of study gets misconstrued into "RED MEAT WILL KILL YOU" which is completely and utterly false - that was my point.
how do you know it "is completely and utterly false?" have you done your own study, or know of a study that says that? you can critique the Harvard studies all you want (legitimately or not), but saying their study is bad doesn't prove the opposite of the study.
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On March 14 2012 07:51 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 07:36 ZeaL. wrote:On March 14 2012 07:17 Tektos wrote:
Eating bacon or disgusting processed hotdogs EVERY DAY is bad for you? Gosh who knew!!
The study doesn't use common sense. If someone eats hot dogs on a frequent basis they're probably not the most active and healthy people in other aspects of their life. Labelling the study as "red meat is bad for you" is very misleading.
Having the occasional steak is not bad for you. You think that you're smarter than the researchers who did this study? They adjusted for BMI, age, physical activity, smoking, drinking amount, hormone use, menopausal status, and a ton more stuff when they did their calculations for hazard ratios and dose response relationships. You can argue over whether or not their statistical analysis was done correctly but you should probably know what you're talking about before you say anything. Read: We used time-dependent Cox proportional hazards regression models to assess the association of red meat consumption with cause-specific and total mortality risks during follow-up. We conducted analyses separately for each cohort. In multivariate analysis, we simultaneously controlled for intakes of total energy, whole grains, fruits, and vegetables (all in quintiles) and for other potential nondietary confounding variables with updated information at each 2- or 4-year questionnaire cycle. These variables included age; body mass index (calculated as weight in kilograms divided by height in meters squared) (<23.0, 23.0-24.9, 25.0-29.9, 30.0-34.9, or 35.0); race (white or nonwhite); smoking status (never, past, or current [1-14, 15-24, or 25 cigarettes per day]); alcohol intake (0, 0.1-4.9, 5.0-14.9, or 15.0 g/d in women; 0, 0.1-4.9, 5.0-29.9, or 30.0 g/d in men); physical activity level (<3.0, 3.0-8.9, 9.0-17.9, 18.0-26.9, or 27.0 hours of metabolic equivalent tasks per week); multivitamin use (yes or no); aspirin use (yes or no); family history of diabetes mellitus, myocardial infarction, or cancer; and baseline history of diabetes mellitus, hypertension, or hypercholesterolemia. In women, we also adjusted for postmenopausal status and menopausal hormone use. Its a self-assessment questionnaire updated every 4 years. Do you not see ANY issue with that at all? And if it wasn't known to you already, why is the correlation of eating bacon daily and increased mortality rate a surprise to you? I'm not at all claiming to be smarter than the people who did this study, and yes I'm aware that they took those factors into account. Thanks for your smug post though. However, all they have proven is a correlation between eating unhealthy food and mortality rate. This type of study gets misconstrued into "RED MEAT WILL KILL YOU" which is completely and utterly false - that was my point. Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 07:50 Slithe wrote:On March 14 2012 07:42 solidbebe wrote:On March 14 2012 07:38 Slithe wrote:On March 14 2012 06:27 kidd wrote:On March 14 2012 05:57 Slithe wrote:On March 14 2012 05:46 tuho12345 wrote:
lol those guys from Epic Meal Time are all fucked rofl.
BTW Bacon is good when you eat just a few, I can't understand why some ppl can eat that every day, it makes you fatttt No it doesn't. Eating too much makes you fat. What you eat has very little to do with it. I hope you're trolling or you clearly know nothing about nutrition. While it's true that eating too much of anything will increase your weight, what you eat makes a HUGE difference - almost in every part of your being. Does anyone else think this article/research/study is pointless? It's like NEWSFLASH: unhealthy food is bad for you and healthier foods are better for you! I'm curious, what is your level of knowledge on nutrition? Which of the below options describes you best? 1) A nutrionist or some other specialist that gives you deeper insight into this subject. 2) A regular person who's knowledge of nutrition largely stems from their education in K-12. 3) A casual enthusiast of nutrition who has read some studies here and there, and have come to some conclusion about how nutrition works. Anyway, the only point I'm making is that the primary determining factor of weight gain/loss is calories consumed vs calories burned. Bacon calories are not somehow magically more fat-inducing than other calories. As long as you're maintaining your calories properly, you will not get fat even if you eat bacon. This is why I do not like generic statements like "(X) makes you fat". You could argue that you're more likely to eat too much bacon, whereas it's very hard to overeat vegetables, but that's a different argument altogether. I don't know, I wonder what 2 people that eat exactly the same amount of calories with no exercise ( or just exactly same amount of calorie burning), but one gets his calories from garbage and the other from healthy foods will look like. I'm sure the garbage-eater will have deplorable health, but he still won't be fat. This all started with the claim that "bacon makes you fat". People feel full based on quantity of food consumed, not calories consumed. Eating 500g of bacon will make you fatter than if you eat 500g of lettuce. So the original claim is true, is it not?
lol you honestly think eating 500g of bacon will satieate you the same way than 500g of lettuce?
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I'd rather die than limit my bacon consumption.
Literally.
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Well I guess I'll be gone soon then eating meat twice a day. Also strong correlation = causality.
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On March 14 2012 03:58 brain_ wrote:
alla them fancy Harvard "scienteests" can go shuv it. i aint givin up my triple bacon baconator with bacon just cuzza some fancy words on a page.
Amen to that!
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