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I've got a story to add.
When I was younger me and my friends used to go to Reading Festival every year (It's a big rock festival, in a city called Reading, pronounced "Redding", nothing to do with the act of reading). Every sunday night at the end of the festival people used to get a bit crazy, and set their tents on fire (so they don't have to take it down and bring it home), make big fires, group up in big groups and dance, stuff like that. Of course, in these scenarios you always have a minority who don't share the same good will sentiments. Some people try to set other peoples tents alight, or get in fights.
So year on year they got stricter and a myth arose of sunday night "riots", when in fact they were not riots in my experience, except for a few isolated instances of violence (coke heads). Some people on the Reading Festival facebook page were talking about the "riots" and how they're cracking down on them, and my friend then comes in and says "Oh yeah the riots are my favourite part they're the only reason I go, I'm definitely going to knife someone". Totally in jest as a joke.
Then the next thing he knows the police come around his house and search his house for knives, and find none. Then tell him he has had his festival ticket removed and is not allowed to purchase another. After a day on the phone he managed to contact a sympathetic festival employee who managed to get him in, under the condition that he was a volunteer at a charity tent. So whilst we were all watching music he was spending half the day giving out charity pamphlets to people.
To me, it's pretty ridiculous. If someone was a terrorist do you think they would tweet about it?
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Also, on an SC2 related note, I know a lot of players etc have had trouble getting into the USA. I seem to recall TotalBiscuit also got stopped at an airport when he went to cast Blizzcon and they wouldn't release him.
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On February 01 2012 03:34 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 03:31 SolHeiM wrote:On February 01 2012 03:29 danielrosca wrote:On February 01 2012 03:25 r.Evo wrote:On February 01 2012 03:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 01 2012 03:04 Mordanis wrote:For all of the people who are not educated about America's relation with terrorism, I'd like you to read this post and then think about the tweet about "destroying America" First off, many people in this thread seem to be assuming that every terrorist will be an Arabian Muslim with a big beard. America has only had one experience with terrorism performed by this "group", and countless from other types of people. Look at the Oklahoma City Bombing for instance. It was done by an American who used to be in our military. Also look at Jared Laughner, who killed six people including a federal judge and injured several more including US Representative Gabrielle Giffords. He was born and raised in America, and he just happened to be insane. There is no reason why Bryan should have been given a free pass because of his ethnicity or country of origin. Another complaint I've been hearing is that no real terrorist would announce his plans ahead of time on the internet. Just a few weeks ago there was a case where a couple in Arizona released Youtube videos of their plans to lure police (and SWAT teams) into their home and then detonate a bomb to kill them. The couple named individual officers in the video and described exactly what they planned to happen. Jared Laughner, who killed several people and injured many more, also released a video in which he burned a flag and "warned" Giffords. There are precedents of people doing this type of thing, and therefore the Homeland Security agents had every right (and mandate) to detain and probably deport this guy based on what he wrote. The only discussion I can really see with this issue is whether they should have detained him while checking to see if he really had any plans to harm anyone or let him go back home immediately. Also I think it is totally reasonable for security agents in this line of work to not use their sense of humor when the lives of hundreds of people could be on the line. Voice of reason. Great explanations. Thank you for this. If someone wants some form of attention he's more likely to blow up stuff close to his home, if someone wants to spread terror at a certain place... he's more likely to travel there. Top notch profiling right there. He's got all 6 seasons of Criminal Minds on DVD, which makes him an expert in the field of profiling terrorists and criminals. Actually I used my brain and the power of statistics. Please use google the next time before you try to denounce someone who worked with psychologists who deal with this type of stuff on a daily basis the next time. Thank you very much.
Maybe next time use the power of statistics with someone else's brain.
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'I kept saying to them they had got the wrong meaning from my tweet but they just told me "you've really f***** up with that tweet boy".
'When I was in the van I was handcuffed and put in a cage. I had a panic attack but the worse was yet to come.
'When we arrived at the prison I was shoved in a cell on my own but after an hour two huge Mexican men covered in tattoos came in and started asking me who I was.
'They told me they'd been arrested for taking cocaine over the border.
'When the food arrived on the tray they took it all and just left me with a carton of apple juice.'
Sounds like our 'brothers' in america treat them well.
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On February 01 2012 03:35 Deadeight wrote:
Also, on an SC2 related note, I know a lot of players etc have had trouble getting into the USA. I seem to recall TotalBiscuit also got stopped at an airport when he went to cast Blizzcon and they wouldn't release him.
But... I mean... just look at Total Biscuit. Guy looks like Total Terrorist to me... haha
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Most Americans don't get British humor. At all. You can show them a Monty Python marathon and it would be considered worse than waterboarding. Just completely over their heads, the point is missed, nothing gets through, they can't get over the accent, its all a big babbling mess to them. So when an American mistakes a British joke on Twitter, its not that surprising. In fact we should be glad they didn't interpret this as an act of war, and nuke Great Britain.
Why is anyone surprised at all? We get a story like this every other day, although the primaries are giving 24 hour news stations most of the necessary content to stay afloat in America right now. I could read this thread an post some argument, but I'd rather watch some Proleague, so lets end this rant.
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Lesson learned? Maybe people will start to think and filter what they say and publish on social medias. I cant blame either party, policies and threat assessments have to be objective and strict. Their tweet altough harmless (yet provocative) raised a red flag and they got punished for it.
Way too many derails in this thread (and every other lately..)
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The funny thing is, the muslim people aren't as bad as you think they are. You just think that you could assume that they're terrorists just because the media has given that bias off. And if you believe the Osama Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11, you need to be pistol whipped. Im not going to go into all of that though, im just going to say the I, as an american citizen, find this to be ridiculous. Almost ridiculous as the C.I.A (whoops. did I say that?)
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I'm fine with it. Really.
What, because they are British it's okay to ignore a threat? If they were Saudi Arabian, would it be justified then? Maybe we'd have screamed racist if that was the case, and this thread would have even worse condemnation of America.
Good god, imagine if they did blow something up. Can you imagine a report after the attack "US Homeland security detected the threat, but declines to act because they were white and British"?
It's a bit ridiculous, but so is posting 'destroy' followed by ANY country and then immediately going to THAT country. You needed to explain British slang to the Americans? Did you know destroy, in all English speaking countries, still also means the literal "destroy"?
It's fine. They eventually determined they were no threat, but you gotta be careful. I don't want my country ignoring threats because they come from white people.
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On January 31 2012 19:23 Nallen wrote:
American political system uses fear!
It's super effective!
I think this pretty much sums up my thoughts on this. Man, my government needs to learn to chill out just a little bit.
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On February 01 2012 03:40 AeroEffect wrote:
The funny thing is, the muslim people aren't as bad as you think they are. You just think that you could assume that they're terrorists just because the media has given that bias off. And if you believe the Osama Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11, you need to be pistol whipped. Im not going to go into all of that though, im just going to say the I, as an american citizen, find this to be ridiculous. Almost ridiculous as the C.I.A (whoops. did I say that?)
Be careful what you say about your government, wouldn't be suprised if they were monitoring this site too, if a van comes to collect you within a few days don't worry it's just your government! 
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On February 01 2012 03:39 AeroGear wrote:
Lesson learned? Maybe people will start to think and filter what they say and publish on social medias. I cant blame either party, policies and threat assessments have to be objective and strict. Their tweet altough harmless (yet provocative) raised a red flag and they got punished for it.
Way too many derails in this thread (and every other lately..)
I'd never put you in a cell with two cocaine smugglers for posting a Family Guy quote on Twitter.\
On February 01 2012 03:39 AeroGear wrote:
Way too many derails in this thread (and every other lately..)
I have to ironically ask whether you know what derailing is. Every post I've read here has been about the topic of the thread. Some are diplomatic, like yours, and others have interesting opinions.
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On February 01 2012 03:41 Crisium wrote:
I'm fine with it. Really.
What, because they are British it's okay to ignore a threat? If they were Saudi Arabian, would it be justified then? Maybe we'd have screamed racist if that was the case, and this thread would have even worse condemnation of America.
Good god, imagine if they did blow something up. Can you imagine a report after the attack "US Homeland security detected the threat, but declines to act because they were white and British"?
It's a bit ridiculous, but so is posting 'destroy' followed by ANY country and then immediately going to THAT country. You needed to explain British slang to the Americans? Did you know destroy, in all English speaking countries, still also means the literal "destroy"?
It's fine. They eventually determined they were no threat, but you gotta be careful. I don't want my country ignoring threats because they come from white people.
Well since they were as drastic to detain them, send them to jail, and then kick them out of the country, maybe, just maybe they would have checked up on British slang? Or would that make too much sense to them? Probably.
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On February 01 2012 03:35 danielrosca wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 03:34 r.Evo wrote:On February 01 2012 03:31 SolHeiM wrote:On February 01 2012 03:29 danielrosca wrote:On February 01 2012 03:25 r.Evo wrote:On February 01 2012 03:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 01 2012 03:04 Mordanis wrote:For all of the people who are not educated about America's relation with terrorism, I'd like you to read this post and then think about the tweet about "destroying America" First off, many people in this thread seem to be assuming that every terrorist will be an Arabian Muslim with a big beard. America has only had one experience with terrorism performed by this "group", and countless from other types of people. Look at the Oklahoma City Bombing for instance. It was done by an American who used to be in our military. Also look at Jared Laughner, who killed six people including a federal judge and injured several more including US Representative Gabrielle Giffords. He was born and raised in America, and he just happened to be insane. There is no reason why Bryan should have been given a free pass because of his ethnicity or country of origin. Another complaint I've been hearing is that no real terrorist would announce his plans ahead of time on the internet. Just a few weeks ago there was a case where a couple in Arizona released Youtube videos of their plans to lure police (and SWAT teams) into their home and then detonate a bomb to kill them. The couple named individual officers in the video and described exactly what they planned to happen. Jared Laughner, who killed several people and injured many more, also released a video in which he burned a flag and "warned" Giffords. There are precedents of people doing this type of thing, and therefore the Homeland Security agents had every right (and mandate) to detain and probably deport this guy based on what he wrote. The only discussion I can really see with this issue is whether they should have detained him while checking to see if he really had any plans to harm anyone or let him go back home immediately. Also I think it is totally reasonable for security agents in this line of work to not use their sense of humor when the lives of hundreds of people could be on the line. Voice of reason. Great explanations. Thank you for this. If someone wants some form of attention he's more likely to blow up stuff close to his home, if someone wants to spread terror at a certain place... he's more likely to travel there. Top notch profiling right there. He's got all 6 seasons of Criminal Minds on DVD, which makes him an expert in the field of profiling terrorists and criminals. Actually I used my brain and the power of statistics. Please use google the next time before you try to denounce someone who worked with psychologists who deal with this type of stuff on a daily basis the next time. Thank you very much. Maybe next time use the power of statistics with someone else's brain.
Throwing out random insults really help your case.
Terrorism refers to the act of killing civilians by non-gouvernment groups to create a media spectacle. Terror is systematic. It is most likely politcally motivated.
Someone running Amok is a single person who just "clicks" out of personal reasons and decides to give "pay back" to those people who caused their problems. This is more likely to occur in their personal environment (hint: a place close to where they live).
Someone who wants to spread terror is looking for a place where he can create a media spectacle. This also includes travelling to a certain symbol of their "holy crusade" and blowing it up. Therefore it is more likely to occur at a place that is NOT the home of the terrorist.
PS: Penis != brain.
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On February 01 2012 03:42 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 03:39 AeroGear wrote:
Lesson learned? Maybe people will start to think and filter what they say and publish on social medias. I cant blame either party, policies and threat assessments have to be objective and strict. Their tweet altough harmless (yet provocative) raised a red flag and they got punished for it.
Way too many derails in this thread (and every other lately..) I'd never put you in a cell with two cocaine smugglers for posting a Family Guy quote on Twitter.
We better get on training HLS on family guy episodes.
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On February 01 2012 03:25 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 03:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 01 2012 03:04 Mordanis wrote:For all of the people who are not educated about America's relation with terrorism, I'd like you to read this post and then think about the tweet about "destroying America" First off, many people in this thread seem to be assuming that every terrorist will be an Arabian Muslim with a big beard. America has only had one experience with terrorism performed by this "group", and countless from other types of people. Look at the Oklahoma City Bombing for instance. It was done by an American who used to be in our military. Also look at Jared Laughner, who killed six people including a federal judge and injured several more including US Representative Gabrielle Giffords. He was born and raised in America, and he just happened to be insane. There is no reason why Bryan should have been given a free pass because of his ethnicity or country of origin. Another complaint I've been hearing is that no real terrorist would announce his plans ahead of time on the internet. Just a few weeks ago there was a case where a couple in Arizona released Youtube videos of their plans to lure police (and SWAT teams) into their home and then detonate a bomb to kill them. The couple named individual officers in the video and described exactly what they planned to happen. Jared Laughner, who killed several people and injured many more, also released a video in which he burned a flag and "warned" Giffords. There are precedents of people doing this type of thing, and therefore the Homeland Security agents had every right (and mandate) to detain and probably deport this guy based on what he wrote. The only discussion I can really see with this issue is whether they should have detained him while checking to see if he really had any plans to harm anyone or let him go back home immediately. Also I think it is totally reasonable for security agents in this line of work to not use their sense of humor when the lives of hundreds of people could be on the line. Voice of reason. Great explanations. Thank you for this. No it's not. He's talking about threats from within the country while the topic is about threats from the outside. If someone wants some form of attention he's more likely to blow up stuff close to his home, if someone wants to spread terror at a certain place... he's more likely to travel there. Homeland security assumed a foreign threat targetting american soil based on a twitter message. ... And, therefore the original argument is still valid: No real terrorist who wants to actually accomplish spreading terror would announce his plans ahead of time. None of the cases mentioned above has got anything to do with foreign terrorists posting announcements about their planned deed on twitter.How the fuck can you even compare a video of a couple ANNOUNCING NAMES and DESCRIBING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO to someone posting what the british couple did?
The examples he listed were just to show you that these things are possible. Just because he doesn't have an example from someone foreign doesn't mean it can't happen. There's a first time for everything, why take the risk if they seem even slightly suspicious? That's their job. Do you think if someone was the first person to ever post a video on YouTube saying how they'll go shoot down a school that the police would be like :
"Oh, no one is that stupid to post it on Youtube, it's never happened before! So silly!"
No, they'd obviously wouldn't just let that slip. Anyways, what I'm saying is that it's their job to keep their country safe from ANYTHING that can harm them. Just because no one has posted on twitter some terrorist plan, it doesn't mean it will never happen.
I'm requoting this paragraph again so more people can see it. I agree strongly with what it says.
On February 01 2012 03:04 Mordanis wrote:For all of the people who are not educated about America's relation with terrorism, I'd like you to read this post and then think about the tweet about "destroying America" First off, many people in this thread seem to be assuming that every terrorist will be an Arabian Muslim with a big beard. America has only had one experience with terrorism performed by this "group", and countless from other types of people. Look at the Oklahoma City Bombing for instance. It was done by an American who used to be in our military. Also look at Jared Laughner, who killed six people including a federal judge and injured several more including US Representative Gabrielle Giffords. He was born and raised in America, and he just happened to be insane. There is no reason why Bryan should have been given a free pass because of his ethnicity or country of origin. Another complaint I've been hearing is that no real terrorist would announce his plans ahead of time on the internet. Just a few weeks ago there was a case where a couple in Arizona released Youtube videos of their plans to lure police (and SWAT teams) into their home and then detonate a bomb to kill them. The couple named individual officers in the video and described exactly what they planned to happen. Jared Laughner, who killed several people and injured many more, also released a video in which he burned a flag and "warned" Giffords. There are precedents of people doing this type of thing, and therefore the Homeland Security agents had every right (and mandate) to detain and probably deport this guy based on what he wrote. The only discussion I can really see with this issue is whether they should have detained him while checking to see if he really had any plans to harm anyone or let him go back home immediately. Also I think it is totally reasonable for security agents in this line of work to not use their sense of humor when the lives of hundreds of people could be on the line.
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Destroy as a slang for party? As in, "everyone there was destroyed"? If so, that's not even British slang, but used in Southern California all the time...
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On February 01 2012 03:44 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 03:42 oBlade wrote:On February 01 2012 03:39 AeroGear wrote:
Lesson learned? Maybe people will start to think and filter what they say and publish on social medias. I cant blame either party, policies and threat assessments have to be objective and strict. Their tweet altough harmless (yet provocative) raised a red flag and they got punished for it.
Way too many derails in this thread (and every other lately..) I'd never put you in a cell with two cocaine smugglers for posting a Family Guy quote on Twitter. We better get on training HLS on family guy episodes.
If they know how to look up a Twitter message, it shouldn't be beyond them to Google the quote when the guy told them it was from Family Guy. Then at that point they could have done things like not put him in a cell and not ship them back to Britain. If they can't notice when they're wrong, what's the point of the organization existing?
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On February 01 2012 03:46 FabledIntegral wrote:
Destroy as a slang for party? As in, "everyone there was destroyed"? If so, that's not even British slang, but used in Southern California all the time...
But they didn't' say "I'm gonna go get destroyed in America" they said "destroy America". It just seems off. I know they meant the slang, obviously, but why phrase it that way?
A comment in the news article said it best:
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On February 01 2012 03:46 FabledIntegral wrote:
Destroy as a slang for party? As in, "everyone there was destroyed"? If so, that's not even British slang, but used in Southern California all the time...
Yes, it's kind of the same as 'I'm gunna get wrecked', not sure if you heard/know of that too, or maybe 'I'm gunna get smashed!', you see (refering to others not the person i'm quoting), destroy/smash/wreck all mean the same thing.
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