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On February 01 2012 02:06 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 01:45 Kazeyonoma wrote:On February 01 2012 01:00 Redox wrote:On February 01 2012 00:56 liberal wrote:
"Hahahahahaha look at the paranoid US! LOL! Only in America."
Am I doing this thread right guys? This topic is not a joke, but a serious problem for many that like to travel. For some the extreme security measures are a reason to not travel to the US. It is a serious problem, because it's their job to make sure no one ever repeats what happened on 9/11. You think they don't realize they're being a bit paranoid? But what do you think is worse. Sending home a few people who OPENLY stated they were going to 'destroy' regardless of slang, and then nothing catastrophic happens, or b) they say, oh it's just a joke, hahahahaha, and then a bomb blows up an airplane, and the media goes CRAZY about how Homeland security, KNEW of a public announcement on twitter, and they did nothing to stop it. I'm all for freedom, and i agree, being paranoid sucks, but I can't really fault them for being cautious. 9/11 was a terrible disaster, and there HAS been subsequent attacks that have been stopped due to the added security, you just don't hear about them all the time because it would create mass hysteria. Basically it's simple, don't go to a sensitive country about terrorism, shouting things that can be misinterpreted publicly, and you'll have no 'travel problems' in the US. No one is allowed to even mutter the word 'bomb' in an airport or airplane because it's such a dangerous possibility, but you don't see a thread 'US citizens removed from plane because he used the word Bomb'. To you and everyone else who is like OHMYGAWDTHISCOULDHAVEBEENREAL!!!!11 Let's assume you're a terrorist. Would you use words like "bomb", "destroy", "twin-towers", or "airplane crash"? No, you would fucking call it "pie", "hiking", "bielefeld" and "nuclear meltdown". Erhm, I mean "picknick". In fact, a tweet saying: "We're going to hike to washington tomorrow and bring pie along. Let's hope it will be better than the Bielefeld picknick!" ...
is MUCH scarier than: "We're going to destroy washington tomorrow and bring a bomb along. Let's hope it will be more fun than the airplane crash into the twintowers!"Anyone assuming a person who would actually DEDICATE THEIR LIVES to blowing shit up somewhere will behave like a total amateur (completely keeping aside that using twitter to organize is probably a bad idea) should be strapped to a balcony and be whipped until he admits being stupid.
That's probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. In fact, that's so obscenely backwards, that you're claiming that literally anything any person says can be a justified terrorist threat, since you can replace any word with any other word.
Just imagine if our national security and systems that look out for terrorist threats scanned for "any noun or verb" instead of known keywords. How ridiculous can you possibly be?
We've seen terrorists, school shooters, and other big criminals make videos, internet messages, and use other media forums to explicitly send their message without being utterly nonsensical. The least we can do is take actual threats and threatening words seriously when they're presented to us on a silver platter, regardless of whether or not they end up being a hoax or a joke.
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When national security spending increases exponentially, you have a surplus of bonehead government lapdogs just looking to justify their own jobs.
*1910 industrial factory floor supervisor voice*
"Look bawss look bawss! Look who I founded bawss! Two of them brits tryin tah' dig up marilyn monroe bawss! Can I get promoted bawss oh please oh please oh please!?"
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On January 31 2012 19:27 zdfgucker wrote:I enjoyed the article, especially this part: Show nested quote +The words deemed as being sensitive by the DHS include:
Illegal immigrant
Outbreak
Drill
Strain
Virus
Recovery
Deaths
Collapse
Human to animal
Trojan
Human to animal? Really?
Holy crap, an illegal immigrant outbreak occurred while they were drilling up a virus recovery strain to prevent the deaths that would happen should the horse collapse on the Trojans while they were doing it human to animal.
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On February 01 2012 02:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 02:06 r.Evo wrote:On February 01 2012 01:45 Kazeyonoma wrote:On February 01 2012 01:00 Redox wrote:On February 01 2012 00:56 liberal wrote:
"Hahahahahaha look at the paranoid US! LOL! Only in America."
Am I doing this thread right guys? This topic is not a joke, but a serious problem for many that like to travel. For some the extreme security measures are a reason to not travel to the US. It is a serious problem, because it's their job to make sure no one ever repeats what happened on 9/11. You think they don't realize they're being a bit paranoid? But what do you think is worse. Sending home a few people who OPENLY stated they were going to 'destroy' regardless of slang, and then nothing catastrophic happens, or b) they say, oh it's just a joke, hahahahaha, and then a bomb blows up an airplane, and the media goes CRAZY about how Homeland security, KNEW of a public announcement on twitter, and they did nothing to stop it. I'm all for freedom, and i agree, being paranoid sucks, but I can't really fault them for being cautious. 9/11 was a terrible disaster, and there HAS been subsequent attacks that have been stopped due to the added security, you just don't hear about them all the time because it would create mass hysteria. Basically it's simple, don't go to a sensitive country about terrorism, shouting things that can be misinterpreted publicly, and you'll have no 'travel problems' in the US. No one is allowed to even mutter the word 'bomb' in an airport or airplane because it's such a dangerous possibility, but you don't see a thread 'US citizens removed from plane because he used the word Bomb'. To you and everyone else who is like OHMYGAWDTHISCOULDHAVEBEENREAL!!!!11 Let's assume you're a terrorist. Would you use words like "bomb", "destroy", "twin-towers", or "airplane crash"? No, you would fucking call it "pie", "hiking", "bielefeld" and "nuclear meltdown". Erhm, I mean "picknick". In fact, a tweet saying: "We're going to hike to washington tomorrow and bring pie along. Let's hope it will be better than the Bielefeld picknick!" ...
is MUCH scarier than: "We're going to destroy washington tomorrow and bring a bomb along. Let's hope it will be more fun than the airplane crash into the twintowers!"Anyone assuming a person who would actually DEDICATE THEIR LIVES to blowing shit up somewhere will behave like a total amateur (completely keeping aside that using twitter to organize is probably a bad idea) should be strapped to a balcony and be whipped until he admits being stupid. That's probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. In fact, that's so obscenely backwards, that you're claiming that literally anything any person says can be a justified terrorist threat, since you can replace any word with any other word. Just imagine if our national security and systems that look out for terrorist threats scanned for " any noun or verb" instead of known keywords. How ridiculous can you possibly be? We've seen terrorists, school shooters, and other big criminals make videos, internet messages, and use other media forums to explicitly send their message without being utterly nonsensical. The least we can do is take actual threats and threatening words seriously when they're presented to us on a silver platter, regardless of whether or not they end up being a hoax or a joke.
Exactly that is what I'm claiming.
ANYTHING that ANY person says can be a justified terrorist threat.
In fact, I'm going to make it even worse: ANY person that WANTS to take terrorist ACTION will communicate in ways that are NOT easily traced. If they don't do that they're not terrorists, they're attention whores.
A "terrorist" wants to spread terror. That word implements people not knowing about it beforehand.
Now, a school shooting where someone spreads the message that he's going to do it... maybe, just maybe the person didn't do it to "terror" people but to gain attention in a very twisted way.
PS: Just imagine if our national security and systems that look out for terrorist threats scanned for "any noun or verb" instead of known keywords. How ridiculous can you possibly be?
Simply because exactly this would be the appropriate behaviour to spot real terrorist threats spread via twitter or facebook (lol.) scanning for keywords is ridiculous as well.
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On February 01 2012 02:26 GatorGar wrote:
When national security spending increases exponentially, you have a surplus of bonehead government lapdogs just looking to justify their own jobs.
*1910 industrial factory floor supervisor voice*
"Look bawss look bawss! Look who I founded bawss! Two of them brits tryin tah' dig up marilyn monroe bawss! Can I get promoted bawss oh please oh please oh please!?"
Lol. But in all seriousness I feel the same. And this whole thing is like police apprehending someone just because his T-Shirt has the words "Gangsta" on it. Who knows even that might be happening one day. And to all the "what if that was an actual terrorist" posts ... what if that guy is an actual Gangsta!
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Wow, i cant believe there are people justifying this. Its just ridiculous. Saying your gonna get drunk and quoting family guy = Terrorist? Might as well cavity search every kid for playing bomber man. Getting "destroyed" isnt even slang limited to the Uk.
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On February 01 2012 02:12 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 02:07 HeavenS wrote:On February 01 2012 01:59 Kazeyonoma wrote:
I hope people realize that the government does track things, and if you're posting stupid 'jokes' in this very thread about doing terrorist type things you're probably being flagged by whatever search system they have. but keep joking guys, really. this is what im talking about right here. we cant even make a joke about it without being worried that we'll be "flagged" or whatever. Its bullshit. On February 01 2012 01:53 Djzapz wrote:
I'm going to destroy America too, BRT! Yea, u can make that joke cuz ur in canada. I wouldn't have typed that and i wouldn't even make that joke. Yeah it probably won't lead to anything if i did make the joke, but its still the fact that i don't feel confident in being able to make it at all. Thats not okay, i shouldn't have to worry about stupid trivial shit like this in the United States of America. Well one day when you become Director of National Intelligence you can reform the government on how to feasibly track millions of people per day to counter terrorist efforts on the American internet superhighway. I'm sure they're looking forward to your advice.
lol yea because tracking everyone everyday every second of their lives is the right way to prevent terrorism lmao. you my friend are a GENIUS! you should've been a founding father! I'm sure this country would be super SAFE today!
i much rather stick to our principles as a nation instead of just sitting and being a big vagina about this whole thing like some people 
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Love how everyone is talking about bombing and terrorists. You've slightly missed the point that they were worried about "digging up Marilyn Monroe". They were searched for shovels. Shovels! (cos it's not like you can buy them in the US)
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Haven't you seen that episode of South Park? They clearly want revenge.
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They wouldn't let Sodom in to play at Maryland Deathfest 8 either...the governments good at keeping german thrash bands out too!
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On February 01 2012 02:34 Zrana wrote:
Love how everyone is talking about bombing and terrorists. You've slightly missed the point that they were worried about "digging up Marilyn Monroe". They were searched for shovels. Shovels! (cos it's not like you can buy them in the US)
Bryan also said he was asked about a tweet that he says is a quote from the television show 'Family Guy' that read, "3 weeks today, we're totally in LA p***** people off on Hollywood Blvd and diggin' Marilyn Monroe up!"
"I almost burst out laughing when they asked me if I was going to be Leigh's lookout while he dug up Marilyn Monroe," Bunting told the Daily Mail. "It got even more ridiculous because the officials searched our suitcases and said they were looking for spades and shovels."
But things quickly became less humorous to Bryan and Bunting.
Speaking with the Daily Mail, Bryan said officials told him, "You really f***** up with that tweet, boy," before handcuffing and putting him in what Bryan described as a "cage" inside of a van. He said he was then transported to a prison with other border offenders.
(quoted from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/30/british-tourists-deported-for-tweeting_n_1242073.html )
Hell, yeah. <3
"Dude, let's dig up Marilyn Monroe!"
"k, you bring the shovels!"
"but they're extra weight..."
"fuck that, buying them in the US would look pretty damn suspicious"
"k, ima hide them in my underpants!"
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On February 01 2012 02:19 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 02:12 forgottendreams wrote:On February 01 2012 02:07 HeavenS wrote:On February 01 2012 01:59 Kazeyonoma wrote:
I hope people realize that the government does track things, and if you're posting stupid 'jokes' in this very thread about doing terrorist type things you're probably being flagged by whatever search system they have. but keep joking guys, really. this is what im talking about right here. we cant even make a joke about it without being worried that we'll be "flagged" or whatever. Its bullshit. On February 01 2012 01:53 Djzapz wrote:
I'm going to destroy America too, BRT! Yea, u can make that joke cuz ur in canada. I wouldn't have typed that and i wouldn't even make that joke. Yeah it probably won't lead to anything if i did make the joke, but its still the fact that i don't feel confident in being able to make it at all. Thats not okay, i shouldn't have to worry about stupid trivial shit like this in the United States of America. Well one day when you become Director of National Intelligence you can reform the government on how to feasibly track millions of people per day to counter terrorist efforts on the American internet superhighway. I'm sure they're looking forward to your advice. It is not in the interest of any intelligence service in the world to prevent the threat of terrorism. Events like the one in the OP keep your people in line. The plain fact that a LOT of people in this thread seem to shrug it off with "Yeah, if you know we're sensitive about it you don't joke about it!" shows that it works pretty brilliantly. Any person that condones "I'm gonna destroy america tomorrow" or "I'm gonna destroy Las Vegas starting tomorrow" (in fact I posted the latter quote on facebook myself once) as a "serious threat to the security of our country!" has been brainwashed to hell and back. Tomorrow in the news: College student ended up in jail for saying "I'm gonna fuck the entire college dorm!"
Right, because that is also a potential threat to national security. Nice comparison.
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People are crazy. I'm on homeland security's side.
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How'd they see the tweets and know they belonged to this British couple?
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On February 01 2012 02:50 Nightmarjoo wrote:
How'd they see the tweets and know they belonged to this British couple?
The articles sound like that is what homeland security does on a daily basis. Finding out that stuff is their job.
Sounds to me like watching twitter and facebook accounts for keywords seems to be a well established and approved method of keeping a country safe from terrorism.
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On February 01 2012 02:07 HeavenS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 01:59 Kazeyonoma wrote:
I hope people realize that the government does track things, and if you're posting stupid 'jokes' in this very thread about doing terrorist type things you're probably being flagged by whatever search system they have. but keep joking guys, really. this is what im talking about right here. we cant even make a joke about it without being worried that we'll be "flagged" or whatever. Its bullshit.
Well, generally when you make any stupid/bad joke about anything you should - in this order-
*first, be worried that you were stupid enough to think about it
*second, be worried that your common sense did not filter it, given the context and you ended up sharing it
*and last, case it falls under the 0,01% of jokes about bombing/killing, be worried about government indiscriminately filtering huge amounts of public data for sensitive words
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This is absolutely foolish and this goes down the line of censorship anyways, because me and my friend were talking about this how we have to censor ourselves when speaking with people or plainly just about anything and anywhere in general. However then I came to the conclusion that if we censored and I emphasize every fucking thing would we have ever come of with a great song like America? I mean imagine the American song sung censored it would be America **** yeah. Now just sing that in your head a couple times constantly it wouldn't sound the same it loses it's flavor we gotta stop censoring things! Maybe some things should be censored but don't be ridiculous your ears will bleed from an ear infection not a curse word!
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On February 01 2012 01:39 DoubleReed wrote:
Eh most people in the US know that the security people have zero sense of humor. My grandfather once joked that his chess clock was a bomb and basically had to take the train. Just don't joke around that kind of thing. I think it's obviously strong that they had to go back after coming here though.
Problem is everyone knows that you should not joke around in the airport, but writing things on a twitter before you leave (possibly even very long before your trip) and then being penalized for it borders on unnecessary self-censorship.
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On February 01 2012 03:01 Golem72 wrote:
This is absolutely foolish and this goes down the line of censorship anyways, because me and my friend were talking about this how we have to censor ourselves when speaking with people or plainly just about anything and anywhere in general. However then I came to the conclusion that if we censored and I emphasize every fucking thing would we have ever come of with a great song like America? I mean imagine the American song sung censored it would be America **** yeah. Now just sing that in your head a couple times constantly it wouldn't sound the same it loses it's flavor we gotta stop censoring things! Maybe some things should be censored but don't be ridiculous your ears will bleed from an ear infection not a curse word!
you're quite stoned
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For all of the people who are not educated about America's relation with terrorism, I'd like you to read this post and then think about the tweet about "destroying America"
First off, many people in this thread seem to be assuming that every terrorist will be an Arabian Muslim with a big beard. America has only had one experience with terrorism performed by this "group", and countless from other types of people. Look at the Oklahoma City Bombing for instance. It was done by an American who used to be in our military. Also look at Jared Laughner, who killed six people including a federal judge and injured several more including US Representative Gabrielle Giffords. He was born and raised in America, and he just happened to be insane. There is no reason why Bryan should have been given a free pass because of his ethnicity or country of origin.
Another complaint I've been hearing is that no real terrorist would announce his plans ahead of time on the internet. Just a few weeks ago there was a case where a couple in Arizona released Youtube videos of their plans to lure police (and SWAT teams) into their home and then detonate a bomb to kill them. The couple named individual officers in the video and described exactly what they planned to happen. Jared Laughner, who killed several people and injured many more, also released a video in which he burned a flag and "warned" Giffords. There are precedents of people doing this type of thing, and therefore the Homeland Security agents had every right (and mandate) to detain and probably deport this guy based on what he wrote. The only discussion I can really see with this issue is whether they should have detained him while checking to see if he really had any plans to harm anyone or let him go back home immediately. Also I think it is totally reasonable for security agents in this line of work to not use their sense of humor when the lives of hundreds of people could be on the line.
Edit: the link for the story with the AZ couple can be found here.
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