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Vatican City State733 Posts
On February 01 2012 00:44 Ziktomini wrote:And I thought it was ridiculous when my friend got thrown out of the airport and banned from BMI for saying "no bomb here mate" when going through security. Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 00:40 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
Honestly these people were just stupid. Ever since 9-11 our airport security has been extremely touchy about such things. If you are so lacking in intelligence as to be posting something like that right before travelling or actually saying it in the airport..... They posted it on their twitter buddy, I had no idea that airport security even checked twitter. I mean what do they expect to see which is actually useful, that some terrorist announcing their plans?
As I made clear, I understood where they posted it buddy. And has been brought up repeatedly in this thread, social media has been used to announce things like school attacks in the past. Its not unreasonable to be sifting through it. Posting unthinkingly on social media sites is a mistake. Everything you post is available to the public, so don't post things that will be misconstrued. It isn't hard
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On February 01 2012 00:56 liberal wrote:
"Hahahahahaha look at the paranoid US! LOL! Only in America."
Am I doing this thread right guys?
This topic is not a joke, but a serious problem for many that like to travel.
For some the extreme security measures are a reason to not travel to the US.
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Honestly, they were both being stupid. On the one hand, they know the USA is strict about these things and posting something like this on twitter is an idiotic thing to do. On the other hand, the way the USA handled this is just ridiculous. Arresting and deporting them for making a joke on twitter is about as stupid as arresting everyone that owns a gun because you "suspect them of murder". Even more so considering the absolutely abysmal amount of terrorist attacks compared to gun-related crime, the only difference is that when a terrorist attack happens that kills 20 people, it's national news, when a gun-crazed idiot shoots up a couple of people on the street, it'll barely make the local news in a small town, if at all.
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Vatican City State733 Posts
On February 01 2012 00:52 Kimaker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 00:40 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
Honestly these people were just stupid. Ever since 9-11 our airport security has been extremely touchy about such things. If you are so lacking in intelligence as to be posting something like that right before travelling or actually saying it in the airport..... Shouldn't have to be careful about something so clearly a joke. As was mentioned earlier, "destroy" means party. What passes for "security" in the US has reached unreasonable levels, and been that way for the last couple of years. Shouldn't be letting fear be our main motivator here or anywhere. Fucking Patriot Act....
I agreee. Security is probably overreaching a bit here, but ultimately the fault lies with the travellers. Posting something like that before travelling to a country that is known to be paranoid about airline security is STUPID. Exercise self-censorship and this problem doesnt occur
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On January 31 2012 19:15 bOneSeven wrote:For example in comic slang you use words like "bomb" "killed" "destroyed" .... are they gonna put them under terrorist suspicion for using such words ?
If you say any of them in an airport you get put on the no-fly list that's for sure.
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On January 31 2012 19:23 Nallen wrote:
American political system uses fear!
It's super effective!
Bravo )))
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On February 01 2012 01:06 Skullflower wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 19:15 bOneSeven wrote:For example in comic slang you use words like "bomb" "killed" "destroyed" .... are they gonna put them under terrorist suspicion for using such words ?
If you say any of them in an airport you get put on the no-fly list that's for sure.
you say that like thats a good thing.
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anyone whose stupid enough to say they're going to destroy the U.S on twitter before coming, isn't smart enough to put a proper plan in action.
thats just the hard facts.
gotta skate
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On February 01 2012 01:06 Skullflower wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 19:15 bOneSeven wrote:For example in comic slang you use words like "bomb" "killed" "destroyed" .... are they gonna put them under terrorist suspicion for using such words ?
If you say any of them in an airport you get put on the no-fly list that's for sure.
Luckily this couple made none of their comments in an airport...
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On February 01 2012 01:00 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 00:56 liberal wrote:
"Hahahahahaha look at the paranoid US! LOL! Only in America."
Am I doing this thread right guys? This topic is not a joke, but a serious problem for many that like to travel. For some the extreme security measures are a reason to not travel to the US.
Yeah I can't believe anyone would want to travel to a country that takes security seriously. Unbelievable, the nerve some people have.
Maybe you should just be a little more tactful in the language you use. You don't say Fire in a movie theater; you don't say Bomb on a plane; you don't talk about Destroying the country you're going to visit.
Yeah, they may have multiple definitions, but the fact that terrorists and other criminals have displayed intentions and plots through media feeds in the past (internet, video, etc.) shows that it's certainly possible for a Twitter status to mean something more than an innocent joke. It's certainly worth checking into, at the very least. There's no harm in that. The ridiculous part was sending the tourists home after the investigation found nothing.
But the existence of relatively tight security checks- especially after national terrorist attacks- is nothing to roll your eyes at.
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My hope is that people don't mistake these actions performed by US officials to influence their opinions of educated Americans equally disappointed at such a waste of resouces.
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It was good of the US to check out the people that made those tweets, but the way they handled it is just wrong.
I mean, at some point they figured out they werent actual terrorists but they were send back to the UK anyway :/
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Wups...I more than once stated I would go to England and dig a hole so the island sinks...just to annoy my UK buddies...but before ppl start whining I'll quote my earlier post again
Questioning these guys at the airport? Ok, I can live with that, though even with common sence you may have seen no need to.
What I think are the prolly most retarded and especially also hilarious parts, are the questions they asked and the decision to send em home afterwards :D
I mean, asking them if one would be the lookout when they are digging up marylin, or looking for spades in the suitcase? wtf?
That's the point were I am on the floor rolling around holding my stomach cause it hurts xD
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On February 01 2012 01:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 01:00 Redox wrote:On February 01 2012 00:56 liberal wrote:
"Hahahahahaha look at the paranoid US! LOL! Only in America."
Am I doing this thread right guys? This topic is not a joke, but a serious problem for many that like to travel. For some the extreme security measures are a reason to not travel to the US. Yeah I can't believe anyone would want to travel to a country that takes security seriously. Unbelievable, the nerve some people have. Maybe you should just be a little more tactful in the language you use. You don't say Fire in a movie theater; you don't say Bomb on a plane; you don't talk about Destroying the country you're going to visit. Yeah, they may have multiple definitions, but the fact that terrorists and other criminals have displayed intentions and plots through media feeds in the past (internet, video, etc.) shows that it's certainly possible for a Twitter status to mean something more than an innocent joke. It's certainly worth checking into, at the very least. There's no harm in that. The ridiculous part was sending the tourists home after the investigation found nothing. But the existence of relatively tight security checks- especially after national terrorist attacks- is nothing to roll your eyes at.
No, I would not want to travel to US not because they treat their security seriously. But because they take it to the extreme nonsensical heights. Like a Canadian that I know went on holidays to US with his 8-10 year old son and because his son shared a name of someone on the list they had to go through a lot of problems. Imagine if it would be someone adult who shared such a name. When I am flying somewhere in the world, first thing I make sure is that I do not have to change planes in US.
Also you having ridiculous laws and indefinite detentions does not help.
Problem in this and similar cases is at least partially in the fact that the security guys either have no discretion in handling those cases or are too afraid to use their own head and common sense.
EDIT: plus of course the security guys often love to feel in power and important, even though often stupid as a spade.
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On February 01 2012 01:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 01:00 Redox wrote:On February 01 2012 00:56 liberal wrote:
"Hahahahahaha look at the paranoid US! LOL! Only in America."
Am I doing this thread right guys? This topic is not a joke, but a serious problem for many that like to travel. For some the extreme security measures are a reason to not travel to the US. Yeah I can't believe anyone would want to travel to a country that takes security seriously. Unbelievable, the nerve some people have. Maybe you should just be a little more tactful in the language you use. You don't say Fire in a movie theater; you don't say Bomb on a plane; you don't talk about Destroying the country you're going to visit. Yeah, they may have multiple definitions, but the fact that terrorists and other criminals have displayed intentions and plots through media feeds in the past (internet, video, etc.) shows that it's certainly possible for a Twitter status to mean something more than an innocent joke. It's certainly worth checking into, at the very least. There's no harm in that. The ridiculous part was sending the tourists home after the investigation found nothing. But the existence of relatively tight security checks- especially after national terrorist attacks- is nothing to roll your eyes at.
I was not rolling my eyes at anything. I just said this is a serious problem for many, that is a simple fact. Personally I heard quite often from people I know that US customs / security / police is the reason they dont want to travel there.
Oh and please stop talking as if the US was somehow exceptional in having suffered terrorist attacks.
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I don’t really get it. It takes one person reading the twitter account for tone and general content (and obviously they’re already screening it), ten minutes at most, to be able to evaluate that these people are not a threat. Even if they have a shred of doubt left at that point, all it takes is googling “destroy” in some British contexts, and googling the Monroe phrase—I’d have done it in 2 minutes. The interviewing and the amount of manpower they put into it instead was probably worth some serious money and probably at least an hour of time from five or six different people, plus all the inconvenience and costs for the tourists themselves.
The mistake is scary. What is more scary is that the security seems to work like a mindless machine.
The couple was careless, but they were very obviously being stupid and careless, and if security couldn't catch that, then what else might they not catch?
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Ever since 9/11 we don't fuck around. And for good reason. Don't joke with Homeland Security. They lack a sense of humor.... like they should
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This is just completely ridiculous, and living proof that the Terrorists have succeeded in their job.
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On February 01 2012 01:32 Zaragon wrote:
The mistake is scary. What is more scary is that the security seems to work like a mindless machine.
On the contrary, that's the best part about it. And the one you should be thankful for.
Btw you could add this to OP
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/30/travelers-say-they-were-denied-entry-to-u-s-for-twitter-jokes/?smid=tw-thelede&seid=auto
He was questioned under oath about his postings to Twitter, according to images of a document said to be from the agency. The document, posted by The Daily Mail and quoted by The Sun, appeared to demonstrate a less-than-full understanding of social media by agents explaining the reason for the questioning:
Mr. Bryan confirmed that he had posted on his Tweeter Web site account that he was coming to the United States to dig up the grave of Marilyn Monroe. Also on his tweeter account Mr. Bryan posted that he was coming to destroy America.
The authenticity of the document could not be independently verified. It was photographed by Small World News Service, an independent British news agency that frequently pays its sources for stories. Mr. Bryan and Ms. Bunting posed together for portraits by the SWNS news agency that appeared in tabloids on Monday, including the Daily Mail and the Sun.
A call to Donald Triner, acting director of the agency office overseeing an initiative on “Publicly Available Social Media Monitoring and Situational Awareness,” was directed to the press office.
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Eh most people in the US know that the security people have zero sense of humor. My grandfather once joked that his chess clock was a bomb and basically had to take the train. Just don't joke around that kind of thing. I think it's obviously strong that they had to go back after coming here though.
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