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So what do you guys think about the Zynga shares following down so rapidly. They have not been able to gain any new users in the last 3 years and they are not able to retain there old users any more.
I work as a game designer in a social games company and this scares me a lot. Do you guys think there is a future for social games or they are just going to die out....
This is the image of there downfall in the last year
http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:ZNGA#
And the article about zynga dying is here....
+ Show Spoiler +Zynga’s shares continued a downward spiral for a third straight day, sinking more than 9 percent today to hit an all-time low. At one point today, the stock dipped as low as $7.97 a share before closing at $8 even. At that price, it is $2 below it’s initial stock price of $10, and has lost at least 20 percent of its market value in less than a month. But why? The San Francisco social games company has launched at least two new games since going public, and over the past few days, no harsh analyst report has come out with a negative rating. It appears the once high-flying Silicon Valley company — known for addictive games on Facebook like FarmVille and CityVille, and mobile games like Words With Friends — is having a hard time gaining the market’s confidence. To be sure, there’s no clear answer for the price drop; and other tech companies that recently went public, such as Groupon or LinkedIn, have experienced their own fluctuations. But there is one theory making the rounds. Analysts and other sources suspect Zynga’s stock has been propped up over the past month by the underwriters, who agreed to buy shares if the stock started to perform poorly. The stock purchases would have created steady demand for the stock and kept the price relatively stable. Furthermore, the theory goes, the underwriters have since met their obligations for buying the stock, and therefore are are no longer buying as many shares. Incidentally, on Friday, Morgan Stanley — one of Zynga’s underwriters — disclosed that it had purchased nearly 16 million shares in December. But while the disclosure, filed with the with the Securities & Exchange Commission, adds fuel to the theory, it is unclear if those shares were purchased as part of the IPO, or if they were spread out throughout the month. Zynga declined to comment, citing its quiet period. Still, whatever the reason for the drop, Zynga’s shares are seeing less demand. As recently as last week, the stock was trading at $9.45 a share, but since then, it has struggled to stay above $9. On Friday, it lost 12 cents; today, it lost 81 cents, or 9 percent. But even if the underwriting theory is on the mark, it doesn’t explain the broader question of why Zynga’s stock price is falling. Shouldn’t there be other investors who are willing to buy up a piece of Zynga? Unfortunately, it seems the market isn’t sure what to do with the stock, or how to value it. A social games company fits somewhere between traditional game makers, like Electronic Arts and Activision; and an Internet stock, like Google or LinkedIn. Zynga gives away its games for free, but still manages to be profitable from selling virtual goods, such as a tractor or more power-ups, that a small number of players elect to purchase inside the games. It’s also heavily reliant upon Facebook, which could be another problem. Facebook, too, operates privately, and reveals only as much information about its business as it has to — at least until it files to go public, which could be later this year. In all likelihood, many of these investor fears could be settled when Zynga reports its first period as a public company. No word on when that will be yet, but the fourth-quarter report should come as soon as this month, and no later than February.
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Aren't all but single-player-only games, by their very nature, social?
Unless you mean "Are stupid facebook app games going to die out", in which case, All signs point to yes.
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If you look closer Electronic Arts is having the same downfall in the same period, and i really don't think that such a giant company will die any time in the next years. I think it's because of a market downfall not just a Zinga downfall...
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There is a future for social games, they revolve around not rehashing the same bullshit Namco has done, but worse.
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I think the risk of being involved in a thing like social games, or social networks for that matter, is that internet trends die just as quickly as they grow. Just look at things like mySpace or Digg, they were both quickly replaced by other services.
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I don't think social games are the problem. I just think people are becoming wiser that micro-transaction are not fun in the way zynga implements them.
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Games die out with time. Social games are no exception. If Zynga wants people to keep playing their games, they need to innovate a game that is worth playing more-so than the competition, and bait back people who don't really game now they are over Farmville or w.e (eg. my mother, most of their other users)
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These facebook apps are nothing but a tred,Zynga marketing probably knew who they were targeting with this product and knew it would expire,just like it did on so many other social networks.
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It's the way of life, everything comes to an end at some point. This logic is ironically enough applicable to something that never lived as well, like social games.
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my friends company was bought by zynga a few years ago for quite some money. he doesnt seem to like it much there and plans to quit next month. never liked there games or their philosophy in game design. they kinda just piss me off sometimes.
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Not surprising at all. They had a main product, Farmville, which was hmmm intriguing at the beginning, looked like an online sim-city but with RPG elements, I even admit playing it for a while. Then the game turned into a "spam-your-friends-to-unlock all-the-items"-fest. And once you're like "omg how did that game become suddenly so crappy", you receive an invitation from Zynga for a similar crappy game, the farm theme being replaced by a city theme, or a castle theme or whatever.
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Good riddance!
I am too addicted to their poker game...
And throughout my whole time playing Zynga poker I have never realized, until a half year in, that Zynga made the games like Farmville.
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Dying? No. Adjusting to better represent the value of the company? Absolutely. Zynga's IPO was ridiculous and there's no way the company is worth as much as they claimed they were, but their profits have been rising for three straight years and there's no indication at this time that they are going to go in any other direction but up. Zynga is extremely, extremely good at what they do, and even with all the (sometimes justified) hate there are still tens of millions of people out there who play their games on a daily basis.
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I think it''s good that they are dying.
They are an evil company that exploits people:namely poor folks with ocd and facebook addicts who don't know any better
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On January 10 2012 16:52 Badred wrote: Dying? No. Adjusting to better represent the value of the company? Absolutely. Zynga's IPO was ridiculous and there's no way the company is worth as much as they claimed they were, but their profits have been rising for three straight years and there's no indication at this time that they are going to go in any other direction but up. Zynga is extremely, extremely good at what they do, and even with all the (sometimes justified) hate there are still tens of millions of people out there who play their games on a daily basis.
Which is quite sad, because these games are the cancer that kills gaming. My younger sisters plays shitgames like these whole day long, and when she finally plays a good game (i bought her the new zelda) she cant play it for 5 straight minutes without looking up a guide because her attention span is even shorter than mine.
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It would be good if Zygna were to die. They've done nothing but steal ideas and advertise better than the people they stole ideas from.
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I played mafiawars on myspace; that was Zynga right? Also played farmville and maybe a couple others when I used FB. It seemed like back then "gameplay" (used loosely here) was less about advertising for Zynga and more about just playing a simple game with friends or strangers.
Now you have to spam invites, pay microtransactions, do surveys, or buy promotional products...all of which are about the least fun things on the planet. I think if Zynga wants to get back in the running they should change their business model from "advertise for us for fun" to "network with simple games you can play with anyone for fun."
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As long as there are bored people with computers then there will always be a demand for "social" games.
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zynga makes terrible stuff, only focussed on being as addictive as possible.
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That thing was just ridiculously overpriced, and everyone's known it since the IPO. They were priced as a brand, which they are not. No one cares about Zynga, they do care about their games but that doesnt mean they'll buy the next one if it's a flop. And given how competitive this industry is getting it's not unlikely.
I'm not at all surprised to see it drop, if I could've shorted it I would've. It doesn't mean anything for the industry (although things will certainly get tougher for them IMO), it just means that it was overpriced.
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On January 10 2012 17:07 B.I.G. wrote: zynga makes terrible stuff, only focussed on being as addictive as possible.
I don't follow...
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zynga makes words with friends right? that sort of stuff is good quality games production, not farmville.
if they concentrated on that sort of stuff, instead of games that are pretty much slot machines, then i think they would be better off.
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i think social games won't die but i hope they will be less retarded in the future. games like poker is okay on facebook but what is farmville/castleville bullshit. my 6 years old cousin thinks them as games, i was playing quake at his age :S
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On January 10 2012 16:52 Badred wrote: Dying? No. Adjusting to better represent the value of the company? Absolutely. Zynga's IPO was ridiculous and there's no way the company is worth as much as they claimed they were, but their profits have been rising for three straight years and there's no indication at this time that they are going to go in any other direction but up. Zynga is extremely, extremely good at what they do, and even with all the (sometimes justified) hate there are still tens of millions of people out there who play their games on a daily basis.
Exactly this. Their stock's "all-time low" is 20% off their all-time high. They aren't even close to dying, and the original post in this thread is complete made-up nonsense. Half the people replying don't look like they read past the title either.
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On January 10 2012 16:55 Selendis wrote: I think it''s good that they are dying.
They are an evil company that exploits people:namely poor folks with ocd and facebook addicts who don't know any better Sounds pretty elitist...
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Played mafiawars and Restaurant City. Those games are so manipulative, you wouldn't believe, only way to progress is to get your friends to play. I don't think Zynga is dying, but if it is, I'm fucking stoked. Burn, burn, buuuurn!
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Bump for great justice
(coo just resigned -.- also -75% in share value since ipo...)
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Well personally im suprised they even made any money at all, everytime I try playing something it keeps giving my pop ups and pisses me off so much I either ctrl alt f4 or throw my computer out the window
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I feel like "I told you so." just doesn't say it enough. Zynga's shares have been overpriced for quite some time, and like pretty much everything associated to Social Networking sites, their product was just a pile of shit.
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to be fair, pretty much every game publisher's shares are going down right now.
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Implementing and evolving features is healthy for the videogame industry. Blatant ripoff, however, is not.
Down with Zynga.
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Web 2.0 = overpriced crap investment banks were able to shove down the throats of dumb investors. Anyway, the real losers will be the city of SF.
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Good riddance, they only churned out garbage.
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Yup, Zynga games were dire, just repetitive, boring tasks that tried so pathetically hard to stop you from quitting.
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On January 10 2012 16:18 darkscream wrote: Aren't all but single-player-only games, by their very nature, social?
Unless you mean "Are stupid facebook app games going to die out", in which case, All signs point to yes.
And not a moment too soon, praise be to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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Social games will be fine, but stupid fucking gimmick games like farmville are crap and can't hold their own for more than a few years.
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It's funny because Vivendi want to go into these social media games as a way to make money...I wonder if this has changed their minds
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Normal US tech IPO, blow smoke up everyones arse as to how much potential the company has, oversell the stock, get out in the first year post float, and let the market suck up the losses. Also the mandatory bent exec's selling their shares based on insider information before announcing poor results.
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Zynga is just terrible for the gaming industry in general. I hope they die out quickly.
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Actual gamers tend to hate Zynga because of their strategy of stealing games/ideas and throwing a new name on it.
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i'm glad they are on the fall, social games can't be profitable forever, you need quality products. zynga had one thing going for them, and that was a hub (facebook) where they could get their games out to millions of people..
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Good. I hope this social gaming phenomena goes away. The games are shitty and it takes money out of AAA game development.
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good stuff. never liked the company beside the recruiter girl at the career fair. She was pretty.
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On August 09 2012 17:35 Th0R wrote: Zynga is just terrible for the gaming industry in general. I hope they die out quickly.
Why are they terrible? I don't like social games, but I doubt that they take money that would otherwise have ended up in "true" gaming companies. If you want to hate something about Zynga and the bunch, it should be that they seemingly have not had one original idea in their entire existence, which I find rather disgusting.
As a gamer I don't like social games, but mainly because they are games you don't get good at. Time + money = being good in a social game. In starcarft 2 rts talent + time (amount of pracc.) determines your placement!
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I've always had a special place in my heart filled with hatred towards Zynga. Even though it's a shame for a lot of employees who work for zynga as their everyday job, I just can't support anything the company is doing. Facebook games might actually be alright... But the way Zynga is spamming (via "invite friend") and replicating what other people invented is just through the roof uncharismatic.
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1. Summer is usually the low season. 2. Zynga's market strategy is basically copying games and marketing them better than the counterparts. 3. The OMGPOP aquisition didn't exactly help them.
On August 09 2012 18:38 JKM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 17:35 Th0R wrote: Zynga is just terrible for the gaming industry in general. I hope they die out quickly. Why are they terrible? I don't like social games, but I doubt that they take money that would otherwise have ended up in "true" gaming companies. If you want to hate something about Zynga and the bunch, it should be that they seemingly have not had one original idea in their entire existence, which I find rather disgusting. As a gamer I don't like social games, but mainly because they are games you don't get good at. Time + money = being good in a social game. In starcarft 2 rts talent + time (amount of pracc.) determines your placement! number 2
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I felt that after everyone heard about it, the company would be doomed to find new fantastic temporarily addicting games otherwise face no profits in their freemium model.
And I guess that's sort of what happened?
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My friends play facebook games a lot less, at least I don't see the "feed my cows" for farmville on peoples' wall anymore. I think people are just learning these games are purely addicting with no entertainment value whatsoever, they just have that magic grasp on people.
The sooner they are gone, the better for the social aspect of the world.
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Sweden33719 Posts
They've been fishing around looking for a poker provider to partner with in anticipation of the impending US legislation...
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On August 09 2012 21:18 Liquid`Jinro wrote: They've been fishing around looking for a poker provider to partner with in anticipation of the impending US legislation...
I've heard some rumors about that.
What's the impending legislation though?
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Sounds like another gimmick dying off to me.
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gotta that bubble safari game is pretty decent
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It's refreshing to see less diarrhea on facebook.
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^from what I know most startups are actually pretty chill
Also zynga isn't really a startup now
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I used to play Mafia Wars. Think I got up to like level 2800 or thereabouts.
Then it got boring spamming jobs, visiting a bajillion cities and so forth. Plus the entire 501 friends or fail thing got really old.
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My GF plays those Zynga games on Facebook. I always give her shit about them because the ones she plays seem so brainless. Click this so you can click that. Now you gotta wait a few hours so you can click more and build your town up. She has even made friends with strangers so they can send each other supplies and stuff.
I don't see the skill or fun in these Zynga games, but as long as she's happy, then whatever.
Lots of poker players are looking forward to the 'legalization' of online poker because Zynga poker has such a huge player base and they are planning to become a real money poker site so I've read(bad players who think they are good).
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On August 10 2012 04:27 guN-viCe wrote: My GF plays those Zynga games on Facebook. I always give her shit about them because the ones she plays seem so brainless. Click this so you can click that. Now you gotta wait a few hours so you can click more and build your town up. She has even made friends with strangers so they can send each other supplies and stuff.
I don't see the skill or fun in these Zynga games, but as long as she's happy, then whatever.
Lots of poker players are looking forward to the 'legalization' of online poker because Zynga poker has such a huge player base and they are planning to become a real money poker site so I've read(bad players who think they are good).
As a poker player, yes, yes I am looking forward to that. The sooner the better.
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On August 10 2012 04:18 ticklishmusic wrote: I used to play Mafia Wars. Think I got up to like level 2800 or thereabouts.
Then it got boring spamming jobs, visiting a bajillion cities and so forth. Plus the entire 501 friends or fail thing got really old.
Wow, there's a level 2800? How can that be fun? XD
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My Mother plays a lot of these games, Farmville, Frontierville, and a bunch of other ville's that I don't remember. They are all basically the same game but different skins. When I was living in Canada I gave her a ton of shit about it, trying to get her to play real games, hell, even harvest moon would have done, but nope, no luck.
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