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On January 11 2012 00:08 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:23 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Standard. Because I live in America and speaking in meters just makes me sound like a pompous asshole...
It's just where you live... I will not concede that Celsius is better than Fahrenheit when it comes to everyday usage however... It's nonsensical that a 0-33 system is preferred over a 0-100 system. In a scientific context sure, Celsius/Kelvin are a few magnitudes better, but in any other context it's just sub-par. (Celsius is also not particularly useful when it comes to cooking, because you have to go into decimals when you're trying to get exact internal temperatures.) 0-33, I am confused ? In Celsius 0 is temperature of water freezing, 100 is temperature of water boiling. Nice and simple and thanks to this fact makes more sense than Fahrenheit, otherwise they have no other pros or cons comparatively. What cons do you actually see in Celsius/Kelvin compared to Fahrenheit. As for cooking, why would you use fractions for cooking, are you making magical potions or just do you have a meth lab ? I never heard of anyone using fractions of Celsius for cooking. At best you use like whole degrees, but mostly around 5 degrees is precision enough.
I think his point was more that 33 is approaching the upper limit of temperatures most people will encounter on a daily basis. The metric system could be improved in this regard by expanding Celsius from 0 to say 200 as the BP, but of course this is inconsistent with the rest of the measurements. But then again, time is already inconsistent with metric so...
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On December 09 2011 13:43 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
please tell me where i can buy 0.3x0.3x3.6 meter wood
Hornbach, just a 15 minute drive from where I live and the Gamma, right across the street from Hornbach. I bought several planks of 19mmx57mmx2500mm and a handfull of 39mmx59mmx2000mm beams and built myself a bed about a year ago.
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Metric system is easier to understand, to use and is more accurate in every way. There's no point in debating which system is better, the only reason countries like the US still use the imperial system is the cost of a potential switch to metric (road signs, textbooks, any related tools, everything would need some serious updates). Since when governments would do such investment for the well being of their citizens?
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On January 11 2012 00:14 Nawyria wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 13:43 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
please tell me where i can buy 0.3x0.3x3.6 meter wood Hornbach, just a 15 minute drive from where I live and the Gamma, right across the street from Hornbach. I bought several planks of 19mmx57mmx2500mm and a handfull of 39mmx59mmx2000mm beams and built myself a bed about a year ago.
You're off by an order of magnitude. 1 foot is 30 cm, not 30 mm. I'm sure you can buy 30cmx30cmx3.6m blocks of wood at Gamma and at Hornbach, but you'll have to order them specially and the sawmill will have to do some custom work for you 
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In the UK we officially use metric but in reality use a bizarre mixture of both. I am much more comfortable using miles over kilometres but can barely remember how long a foot is and use metres instead.
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While we're at it we should change time into metrics aswell
100ms
60seconds
60minutes
24hours
7days
months are randomly around 30~days
Therefore we can call year 12months, 52 weeks, 365.24days, 8 765.76 hours, 525 945.6 minutes or 31 556 736 seconds
Personally i'd love to say 1week is exactly 10 days and 1 day lasts 10 hours and hour takes 10minutes. Unfortunately time is bound to the planet spinning around the space so i can wave my goodbyes for metric time.
Universal language would be great aswell, but id prefer something that made perfect sense and that excludes the languages that are known worldwide (especially you, english)
Oh yeah, its also stupid that we have so many timezones.1 should do the job. Its a bitch always calculating when some event begins.
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Ok, so lets get to an other point.
Since apparently most of this thread agrees that metric is strictly superior to imperial, why do we still have that retarded time measurement system that has exactly the same flaws as the imperial measurement system has?
We have 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, and then 24 hours in a day. I find this annoying and stupid. It is basically the only remnant of archaic measurement systems left, and there is not even an alternative anywhere. We should have nice 10s and 100s everywhere.
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On January 11 2012 00:26 Simberto wrote:
Ok, so lets get to an other point.
Since apparently most of this thread agrees that metric is strictly superior to imperial, why do we still have that retarded time measurement system that has exactly the same flaws as the imperial measurement system has?
We have 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, and then 24 hours in a day. I find this annoying and stupid. It is basically the only remnant of archaic measurement systems left, and there is not even an alternative anywhere. We should have nice 10s and 100s everywhere.
Great minds think alike huh 
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On January 11 2012 00:11 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 00:08 mcc wrote:On January 10 2012 22:23 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Standard. Because I live in America and speaking in meters just makes me sound like a pompous asshole...
It's just where you live... I will not concede that Celsius is better than Fahrenheit when it comes to everyday usage however... It's nonsensical that a 0-33 system is preferred over a 0-100 system. In a scientific context sure, Celsius/Kelvin are a few magnitudes better, but in any other context it's just sub-par. (Celsius is also not particularly useful when it comes to cooking, because you have to go into decimals when you're trying to get exact internal temperatures.) 0-33, I am confused ? In Celsius 0 is temperature of water freezing, 100 is temperature of water boiling. Nice and simple and thanks to this fact makes more sense than Fahrenheit, otherwise they have no other pros or cons comparatively. What cons do you actually see in Celsius/Kelvin compared to Fahrenheit. As for cooking, why would you use fractions for cooking, are you making magical potions or just do you have a meth lab ? I never heard of anyone using fractions of Celsius for cooking. At best you use like whole degrees, but mostly around 5 degrees is precision enough. I think his point was more that 33 is approaching the upper limit of temperatures most people will encounter on a daily basis. The metric system could be improved in this regard by expanding Celsius from 0 to say 200 as the BP, but of course this is inconsistent with the rest of the measurements. But then again, time is already inconsistent with metric so...
But 0-33 in Celsius is not corresponding to 0-100 in Fahrenheit. -40-3X corresponds to -40-100. And I encounter 100 Celsius every day and the 0 in Celsius is so crazily easy to remember compared to 3X. There are 3 important temperatures : 0,37,100 in Celsius. I might understand the argument why would you use 37 as more important than 100, but that would lead you to mapping (Celsius -> new) 0 -> 0 and 37 -> 100, not Fahrenheit. Fahrenheit 0 is quite arbitrary and I encounter quite often temperatures lower than 0F, so I would have to use negative numbers anyway.
Well metric actually uses Kelvin, but that is just Celsius with translation Time has too much historical baggage that is tied too closely to economy and every other aspect of life to translate to purely metric conventions with reasonably low cost as the other measurements.
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On January 11 2012 00:08 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:23 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Standard. Because I live in America and speaking in meters just makes me sound like a pompous asshole...
It's just where you live... I will not concede that Celsius is better than Fahrenheit when it comes to everyday usage however... It's nonsensical that a 0-33 system is preferred over a 0-100 system. In a scientific context sure, Celsius/Kelvin are a few magnitudes better, but in any other context it's just sub-par. (Celsius is also not particularly useful when it comes to cooking, because you have to go into decimals when you're trying to get exact internal temperatures.) 0-33, I am confused ? In Celsius 0 is temperature of water freezing, 100 is temperature of water boiling. Nice and simple and thanks to this fact makes more sense than Fahrenheit, otherwise they have no other pros or cons comparatively. What cons do you actually see in Celsius/Kelvin compared to Fahrenheit. As for cooking, why would you use fractions for cooking, are you making magical potions or just do you have a meth lab ? I never heard of anyone using fractions of Celsius for cooking. At best you use like whole degrees, but mostly around 5 degrees is precision enough.
That's the argument - that 5 degrees of precision is not enough. Look at the way people fuss over mice. Would they rather have a 1000 CPI mouse or 2300 CPI mouse?
Obviously for science the metric system is better, but F is more convenient for every day living/understanding.
More importantly, no one ever lives their life .402 km at a time.
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Imperial for height and weight, Metric for all other calculations. Seems Britain/America's stubbornness influenced that to some degree.
Pounds and Inches just makes more sense to be, I guess I can visualize it better. I'm 183 cm but 6'0 ft to me is a better reference point when crating scale in my head.
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i'm in the sciences, so metric obviously.
there's really no excuse for using anything but metric/SI units in the sciences, really.
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On January 11 2012 00:36 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 00:08 mcc wrote:On January 10 2012 22:23 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Standard. Because I live in America and speaking in meters just makes me sound like a pompous asshole...
It's just where you live... I will not concede that Celsius is better than Fahrenheit when it comes to everyday usage however... It's nonsensical that a 0-33 system is preferred over a 0-100 system. In a scientific context sure, Celsius/Kelvin are a few magnitudes better, but in any other context it's just sub-par. (Celsius is also not particularly useful when it comes to cooking, because you have to go into decimals when you're trying to get exact internal temperatures.) 0-33, I am confused ? In Celsius 0 is temperature of water freezing, 100 is temperature of water boiling. Nice and simple and thanks to this fact makes more sense than Fahrenheit, otherwise they have no other pros or cons comparatively. What cons do you actually see in Celsius/Kelvin compared to Fahrenheit. As for cooking, why would you use fractions for cooking, are you making magical potions or just do you have a meth lab ? I never heard of anyone using fractions of Celsius for cooking. At best you use like whole degrees, but mostly around 5 degrees is precision enough. That's the argument - that 5 degrees of precision is not enough. Look at the way people fuss over mice. Would they rather have a 1000 CPI mouse or 2300 CPI mouse? Obviously for science the metric system is better, but F is more convenient for every day living/understanding. More importantly, no one ever lives their life .402 km at a time.
Which one is better ?
Well his argument about cooking was then flawed as there it is enough. As for other applications the only time you need to use fractions is when measuring body temperature. So basically in professional fields which should not have problems with fractions. And then you have the "infinite regress" why stop at the precision of F, we need something even more precise
In what way is F better for every day living, I still wait for the example other than : you don't need to use fractions when measuring your temperature.
As for your last sentence is it a reference to some English/American saying ?
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Lol someone changed the title, got tired of the "but metric is standard" comments.
I also love that people hate on the US for keeping to US customary units, it's not as if we don't use metric at all it's just we aren't going to spend a billion on mandating to move to metric over a 10 year period. Hell look at countries in Europe they still use imperial for things, it's not as if everyone dropped it over night.
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On January 11 2012 00:36 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 00:08 mcc wrote:On January 10 2012 22:23 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Standard. Because I live in America and speaking in meters just makes me sound like a pompous asshole...
It's just where you live... I will not concede that Celsius is better than Fahrenheit when it comes to everyday usage however... It's nonsensical that a 0-33 system is preferred over a 0-100 system. In a scientific context sure, Celsius/Kelvin are a few magnitudes better, but in any other context it's just sub-par. (Celsius is also not particularly useful when it comes to cooking, because you have to go into decimals when you're trying to get exact internal temperatures.) 0-33, I am confused ? In Celsius 0 is temperature of water freezing, 100 is temperature of water boiling. Nice and simple and thanks to this fact makes more sense than Fahrenheit, otherwise they have no other pros or cons comparatively. What cons do you actually see in Celsius/Kelvin compared to Fahrenheit. As for cooking, why would you use fractions for cooking, are you making magical potions or just do you have a meth lab ? I never heard of anyone using fractions of Celsius for cooking. At best you use like whole degrees, but mostly around 5 degrees is precision enough. That's the argument - that 5 degrees of precision is not enough. Look at the way people fuss over mice. Would they rather have a 1000 CPI mouse or 2300 CPI mouse? Obviously for science the metric system is better, but F is more convenient for every day living/understanding. More importantly, no one ever lives their life .402 km at a time.
I'm confused, I mean metric gives you the option for fractions but doesn't mean you have to use them. No one would say 'oh John's house is 2.402km down the road' they'd say it's about two and a half kilometres away.
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On January 11 2012 00:26 Simberto wrote:
Ok, so lets get to an other point.
Since apparently most of this thread agrees that metric is strictly superior to imperial, why do we still have that retarded time measurement system that has exactly the same flaws as the imperial measurement system has?
We have 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, and then 24 hours in a day. I find this annoying and stupid. It is basically the only remnant of archaic measurement systems left, and there is not even an alternative anywhere. We should have nice 10s and 100s everywhere.
Some of natural science does this already, time is often tracked in 10th powers of a second (although astronomers do prefer to use the notion of 10th powers of years). But for society (and several biological systems), the notion of a single earth rotation - a day - as a basic measure is very convenient.
This last observation is the important one for everyday life. Any convenient (everyday) measure for time should ideally have a convenient basic unit that neatly divides the day into an integer number of parts at some power (like hours divide the day into 24 parts). This puts us under an extra constraint as, unlike with distance, we cannot just choose any arbitray basic unit and expect it to neatly chop up a single day.
The reason the Babylonian system still stands I think is because it has a degree of internal consistency (they were very happy about powers of 6 or 60; 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, 6 hours in each part of the day) and it chops up the day in ways that aren't too horribly chosen; the average heart rate of human beings (~72 BPM), was used as a fairly decent way to track very short amounts of time.
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Metric system is the standard of the world. except USA, who insist on using "stones" as a weigth unit.
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On January 11 2012 00:53 FADCoUltra wrote:
Metric system is the standard of the world. except USA, who insist on using "stones" as a weigth unit.
We don't use stone in the US That's the UK.
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On January 11 2012 00:43 semantics wrote:
Lol someone changed the title, got tired of the "but metric is standard" comments.
I also love that people hate on the US for keeping to US customary units, it's not as if we don't use metric at all it's just we aren't going to spend a billion on mandating to move to metric over a 10 year period. Hell look at countries in Europe they still use imperial for things, it's not as if everyone dropped it over night.
Well not really we don't use imperial for anything (except UK probably), there are remnants of old non-imperial and non-metric systems, but I have a hard time thinking of any as I am writing this post. And the change in Europe and elsewhere, as it is not only Europe but a whole world, it was kind of overnight.
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BTW, does europe really have "Royal With Cheese" instead of Quarter Pounder With Cheese?
Edit: anyone who doesn't know this reference, do youself a favor, look it up and watch the moive.
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