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SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
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metbull
United States404 Posts
On November 11 2011 11:54 kakaman wrote: The kid in the end sounds like an idiot...state school in America ftw Just cause you spend 40-50 years doing "good" football things, doesn't mean that you are incapable of wrong doing and free from blame. Question: The football camps that these kids were allegedly (i think they were) raped; was it a camp that was sponsored/backed personally by Joe Paterno or by the University? I only ask cause if it was, then JoePa had a contractual legal duty to work in the best interest of these childern. I'm not an attorney, and maybe there is one that can clear up what Paterno's legal duty was in regards to the football camps. | ||
GTR
51715 Posts
On November 11 2011 11:54 kakaman wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXCZKUp45o0&feature=player_embedded The kid in the end sounds like an idiot...state school in America ftw that white guy is a hero | ||
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SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
On November 11 2011 13:35 metbull wrote: Just cause you spend 40-50 years doing "good" football things, doesn't mean that you are incapable of wrong doing and free from blame. Question: The football camps that these kids were allegedly (i think they were) raped; was it a camp that was sponsored/backed personally by Joe Paterno or by the University? I only ask cause if it was, then JoePa had a contractual legal duty to work in the best interest of these childern. I'm not an attorney, and maybe there is one that can clear up what Paterno's legal duty was in regards to the football camps. They weren't football camps as far as I know. It sounds like Sandusky created a troubled boys' home for the express purpose of recruiting sexual marks. The more I hear about how much people knew was going on and how little was done, how everyone knew some small piece of the puzzle but didn't want to reveal what little they knew to upset the balance... so no one came forward... this is just a tragedy and completely demoralizing. | ||
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Geosensation
United States256 Posts
On November 11 2011 13:31 SirKibbleX wrote: I'm pretty sure he hired a criminal lawyer because he may have perjured himself if what he said on TV about what he was told is true. you can't perjure yourself on TV. If he lied to the grand jury then yeah it's perjury. It makes sense for him to get a lawyer for all the civil lawsuits he's going to get slapped with, but I don't get the criminal part, maybe he just wants to be safe | ||
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Newbistic
China2912 Posts
On November 08 2011 07:40 Jacko11 wrote: Yea saw the news this morning. Shoulda done more reaseach before I went to Penn State, now im stuck here Uh oh better cover your ass. Better yet glue a piece of wood to your pants as a defensive mechanism, then paint it the color of said pants to camouflage. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Disgraced pedophile and former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky may have actually pimped out young boys to rich donors of his foundation Second Mile. These revolutions were first reported to a large audience by radio host and journalist Mark Madden who himself broke the whole Jerry Sandusky pedophile story accurately in April 2011. Speaking on The Dennis and Callahan Show, Madden revealed what he thinks the next big revelation will be: “I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen,” Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. “I hear there’s a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation — and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can — that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak.” While this fact might seem outlandish to the uninformed person, the fact that the super rich may be involved in child pedophile rings is something that has been heavily documented in the last twenty years including the now infamous Franklin Scandal. The Franklin Scandal, widely exposed in an outstanding book by author Nick Bryant, involved a nationwide pedophile ring that reached the highest levels of the American and European governments. Source | ||
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TKHawkins
United States103 Posts
On November 11 2011 13:57 Geosensation wrote: you can't perjure yourself on TV. If he lied to the grand jury then yeah it's perjury. It makes sense for him to get a lawyer for all the civil lawsuits he's going to get slapped with, but I don't get the criminal part, maybe he just wants to be safe The point is what he said on TV might be inconsistent with the grand jury statement, meaning he lied to the grand jury. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Madden isn't the best source, but SportsbyBrooks indicated something big and disgusting was coming, on his twitter. | ||
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b0ngt0ss
259 Posts
The atrocities that occur "behind the scenes" makes me queasy. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On November 11 2011 17:10 aksfjh wrote: WTF?! How in the world do people justify defending somebody who abetted the rape of a child? What the hell is wrong with students at Penn State? Hero worship. They don't want to believe their hero coach did something terrible. Crimes of omission are much easier to let pass than crimes of action. No one will forgive Sandusky. But what Paterno failed to do is "understandable" which many people will want to push into the realm of "acceptable" because of their personal bias. Firing him now prevents possible more dirt from coming out on Paterno. If he was involved in some way more than what was already speculated or directly involved in covering up Sandusky's actions then this all makes quite a bit of sense. Let him go before the real dirt comes out. | ||
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Mente
United States288 Posts
Now with that out of the way.... The situation is completely fucked up, mistakes were made and things could have been handled better IN EVERY REGARD. People do bad things that are legal. People do good things that are illegal. This is one of those scenarios were Joe Paterno fulfilled his legal obligation but the public is displeased with the higher moral obligation that we have all learned and expect Joe to hold as well. He was fired because of that fact. It was sloppy and nothing can be said otherwise and even he admits he could have done more. That being said the media is completely blowing out of proportion what is going on with Joe Pa rather than what's going to happen to the scum that started this mess to begin with, how are we going to help the victims and what now for Penn State. We're getting so much stupid coverage on Joe Pa and not any of the other dirt balls. Now while I can see the logic to this (Joe Paterno has been in the spot light of Penn state for 61 years, he holds the school and the players to a higher moral standard and doesn't fulfill it himself, he's the face of Penn state etc etc etc) it isn't really helping the situation to scapegoat him as much as the media has been doing. What about all the other people who witnessed this or did nothing? They should be getting slammed much harder than Joe Pa after what has transpired. Joe Pa's firing was another big mistake. While the board of trustees was being pressured to get him out of there for failing morally (even if he's not legally accountable) it was still handled terribly. Why did they feel the need to fire him at 10pm at night in the middle of a week, when everyone was still at school. If you ask me they should have seen this riot coming. Hell I saw it coming as I was sitting in GMan(a bar) and I could see swarms of people flowing to beaver ave to prepare to riot after Joe got fired. If anything they should have delayed it to a point when people weren't there or have Joe step down gracefully himself earlier (urge him to retire sooner rather than at the end of the season). The riot was unfounded, unneeded and if anything did WAY more harm than any of the good it was supposed to cause. There was no way after starting the riot that anyone on the board would be willing to just say "aww you're right guys, we shouldn't have fired joe we fucked up". It was fucking stupid and a waste of time and I'm pretty sure more than half of the people there were just there because they were looking for an opportunity to riot not because they actually had any stake in this whole scenario. As for the aftermath, nobody seems to realize how many football related endorsements are now gone. Millions of dollars that would have been going to Penn state has now disappeared. Alumi are pulling Penn State from their wills, most likely will also stop donating money as well. If you're like me who's a senior you lived the best years of penn state. As for the rest of you who choose to go here in the future (the education is still top quality) and those of you who may be here now. Good luck as this will be a tough act to follow. Penn Staters are not child molesters and we certainly do not support child molesters. I speak for us all when I say if anything we're the #1 school in the country who supports the kids. Ever hear of THON? The largest student run philanthropy in the world? Yeah... we're trying to do some good here even if we do do stupid shit on occasion as well. Overall the media coverage is shitty, everyone is poorly informed, the PR work of not only the administration but the board of trustees was mediocre at best and Joe Pa should not be scapegoated as the key source of blame as there are a lot of fuck ups that have occurred. And finally the rioting was absolutely stupid and served no practical benefit what so ever. It just tarnished our look after all of this that much more. | ||
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TKHawkins
United States103 Posts
On November 11 2011 19:37 Mente wrote: Penn Staters are not child molesters and we certainly do not support child molesters. I speak for us all when I say if anything we're the #1 school in the country who supports the kids. Ever hear of THON? The largest student run philanthropy in the world? Yeah... we're trying to do some good here even if we do do stupid shit on occasion as well. While I admire your attempt to help keep your school clean (I too hero worship my alma matter quite a bit), no place is full of child molesters, per se. As someone who works in the criminal justice system, I can safely say that these sorts of crimes occur way more often in every part of the country that people expect. Heck, all crime is way more common then the average person thinks. People should not just assume that only certain types of people in certain types of professions do this crime. People at Penn State are probably no more or less inclined to this then anybody from the rest of the general population. This crime however is particularly atrocious and going to get a lot of attention because of the powerful people involved and the wide spread scope of the allegations over a number of years involving many victims. | ||
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BioNova
United States598 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32165 Posts
I keep on seeing that dumb claim that the media coverage of the events has been terrible, but there's never explanation (or at least one that isn't stupid). So I'm curious about that as well. | ||
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Gaspa
Brazil109 Posts
On November 08 2011 07:52 feanor1 wrote: [..] Joe Paterno is not facing any legal repercussions for his actions, but his inaction in following it up(making sure the police were involved) or trying to find out the identity of the child is very sad. Not just "sad", it's plain wrong, and also a crime. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On November 10 2011 15:12 thReNody wrote: The firing is what ignited the whole thing, as a lot of people are insanely loyal to Paterno. Aside from the kids who are just out there for the experience/to go crazy, the student body is very upset with the University and the Board of Trustees for how they've dealt with the situation so far. Unfortunately I don't think there's any real coherence to the riot (if there were I think protest would be a better word) and so any reasoning for involvement is going to depend on who you talk to. As a current student, please don't let this event singly rule out Penn State as an option. This incident does not define us as a school and does not define us as a student body. The Penn State community is much more than this (and what the media is making us out to be) and I can still say that I am proud of my decision to attend this University. Like tronix said, there are many more important reasons to go/not go to a school. it shouldn't but it is ! mente: The riot was unfounded, unneeded and if anything did WAY more harm than any of the good it was supposed to cause. There was no way after starting the riot that anyone on the board would be willing to just say "aww you're right guys, we shouldn't have fired joe we fucked up". It was fucking stupid and a waste of time and I'm pretty sure more than half of the people there were just there because they were looking for an opportunity to riot not because they actually had any stake in this whole scenario. so u have half of the people that supports child fucking and the other half is just retarded ? | ||
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