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On November 12 2011 00:44 HeavOnEarth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 15:12 thReNody wrote:On November 10 2011 14:52 discodancer wrote:
Is this protest against firing? Are these football fans? This is so disturbing...
The firing is what ignited the whole thing, as a lot of people are insanely loyal to Paterno. Aside from the kids who are just out there for the experience/to go crazy, the student body is very upset with the University and the Board of Trustees for how they've dealt with the situation so far. Unfortunately I don't think there's any real coherence to the riot (if there were I think protest would be a better word) and so any reasoning for involvement is going to depend on who you talk to. On November 10 2011 14:54 Steelavocado wrote:
My opinion of PSU has plummeted. I don't know if I want to go there anymore. I guess I could settle with an in state school like OSU... As a current student, please don't let this event singly rule out Penn State as an option. This incident does not define us as a school and does not define us as a student body. The Penn State community is much more than this (and what the media is making us out to be) and I can still say that I am proud of my decision to attend this University. Like tronix said, there are many more important reasons to go/not go to a school. it shouldn't but it is ! Show nested quote +
mente:
The riot was unfounded, unneeded and if anything did WAY more harm than any of the good it was supposed to cause. There was no way after starting the riot that anyone on the board would be willing to just say "aww you're right guys, we shouldn't have fired joe we fucked up". It was fucking stupid and a waste of time and I'm pretty sure more than half of the people there were just there because they were looking for an opportunity to riot not because they actually had any stake in this whole scenario.
so u have half of the people that supports child fucking and the other half is just retarded ?
LIke I said before not one of the PSU students would ever support child molestation. It blows my mind how you managed to draw that conclusion. I will agree with the other half of PSU is retarded but half the world is retarded as well.
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On November 12 2011 10:47 Mente wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 00:44 HeavOnEarth wrote:On November 10 2011 15:12 thReNody wrote:On November 10 2011 14:52 discodancer wrote:
Is this protest against firing? Are these football fans? This is so disturbing...
The firing is what ignited the whole thing, as a lot of people are insanely loyal to Paterno. Aside from the kids who are just out there for the experience/to go crazy, the student body is very upset with the University and the Board of Trustees for how they've dealt with the situation so far. Unfortunately I don't think there's any real coherence to the riot (if there were I think protest would be a better word) and so any reasoning for involvement is going to depend on who you talk to. On November 10 2011 14:54 Steelavocado wrote:
My opinion of PSU has plummeted. I don't know if I want to go there anymore. I guess I could settle with an in state school like OSU... As a current student, please don't let this event singly rule out Penn State as an option. This incident does not define us as a school and does not define us as a student body. The Penn State community is much more than this (and what the media is making us out to be) and I can still say that I am proud of my decision to attend this University. Like tronix said, there are many more important reasons to go/not go to a school. it shouldn't but it is !
mente:
The riot was unfounded, unneeded and if anything did WAY more harm than any of the good it was supposed to cause. There was no way after starting the riot that anyone on the board would be willing to just say "aww you're right guys, we shouldn't have fired joe we fucked up". It was fucking stupid and a waste of time and I'm pretty sure more than half of the people there were just there because they were looking for an opportunity to riot not because they actually had any stake in this whole scenario.
so u have half of the people that supports child fucking and the other half is just retarded ? LIke I said before not one of the PSU students would ever support child molestation. It blows my mind how you managed to draw that conclusion. I will agree with the other half of PSU is retarded but half the world is retarded as well.
Of course they don't support child molestation. They're just willing to let children be molested by an organization they are indoctrinated to worship. Sadly for you, you don't get to decide what what defines you. Right now, and probably for a long time, your school will be marred by an outcry trying to protect somebody who aided in child molestation, instead of vindicated by an outcry against the atrocities committed on PSU grounds. If you wish to not be part of that group, I suggest you (and anybody else) apply for a transfer to another university.
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On November 12 2011 12:59 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 10:47 Mente wrote:On November 12 2011 00:44 HeavOnEarth wrote:On November 10 2011 15:12 thReNody wrote:On November 10 2011 14:52 discodancer wrote:
Is this protest against firing? Are these football fans? This is so disturbing...
The firing is what ignited the whole thing, as a lot of people are insanely loyal to Paterno. Aside from the kids who are just out there for the experience/to go crazy, the student body is very upset with the University and the Board of Trustees for how they've dealt with the situation so far. Unfortunately I don't think there's any real coherence to the riot (if there were I think protest would be a better word) and so any reasoning for involvement is going to depend on who you talk to. On November 10 2011 14:54 Steelavocado wrote:
My opinion of PSU has plummeted. I don't know if I want to go there anymore. I guess I could settle with an in state school like OSU... As a current student, please don't let this event singly rule out Penn State as an option. This incident does not define us as a school and does not define us as a student body. The Penn State community is much more than this (and what the media is making us out to be) and I can still say that I am proud of my decision to attend this University. Like tronix said, there are many more important reasons to go/not go to a school. it shouldn't but it is !
mente:
The riot was unfounded, unneeded and if anything did WAY more harm than any of the good it was supposed to cause. There was no way after starting the riot that anyone on the board would be willing to just say "aww you're right guys, we shouldn't have fired joe we fucked up". It was fucking stupid and a waste of time and I'm pretty sure more than half of the people there were just there because they were looking for an opportunity to riot not because they actually had any stake in this whole scenario.
so u have half of the people that supports child fucking and the other half is just retarded ? LIke I said before not one of the PSU students would ever support child molestation. It blows my mind how you managed to draw that conclusion. I will agree with the other half of PSU is retarded but half the world is retarded as well. Of course they don't support child molestation. They're just willing to let children be molested by an organization they are indoctrinated to worship. Sadly for you, you don't get to decide what what defines you. Right now, and probably for a long time, your school will be marred by an outcry trying to protect somebody who aided in child molestation, instead of vindicated by an outcry against the atrocities committed on PSU grounds. If you wish to not be part of that group, I suggest you (and anybody else) apply for a transfer to another university.
Oh god this is just pathetic. You are from the United States, a country full of dumb fat rednecks.If you wish not to be part of that group I suggest you and anybody else move to another country.
Don't let the actions of a few define a whole group PSU is still better than a majority of the colleges in the US. Just because you go to that school doesn't mean you have a nice rubber sticker "supporter of child molestation". Yes mistakes were made, but to throw a whole school under the bus, including the students, is just wrong.
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On November 12 2011 12:59 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 10:47 Mente wrote:On November 12 2011 00:44 HeavOnEarth wrote:On November 10 2011 15:12 thReNody wrote:On November 10 2011 14:52 discodancer wrote:
Is this protest against firing? Are these football fans? This is so disturbing...
The firing is what ignited the whole thing, as a lot of people are insanely loyal to Paterno. Aside from the kids who are just out there for the experience/to go crazy, the student body is very upset with the University and the Board of Trustees for how they've dealt with the situation so far. Unfortunately I don't think there's any real coherence to the riot (if there were I think protest would be a better word) and so any reasoning for involvement is going to depend on who you talk to. On November 10 2011 14:54 Steelavocado wrote:
My opinion of PSU has plummeted. I don't know if I want to go there anymore. I guess I could settle with an in state school like OSU... As a current student, please don't let this event singly rule out Penn State as an option. This incident does not define us as a school and does not define us as a student body. The Penn State community is much more than this (and what the media is making us out to be) and I can still say that I am proud of my decision to attend this University. Like tronix said, there are many more important reasons to go/not go to a school. it shouldn't but it is !
mente:
The riot was unfounded, unneeded and if anything did WAY more harm than any of the good it was supposed to cause. There was no way after starting the riot that anyone on the board would be willing to just say "aww you're right guys, we shouldn't have fired joe we fucked up". It was fucking stupid and a waste of time and I'm pretty sure more than half of the people there were just there because they were looking for an opportunity to riot not because they actually had any stake in this whole scenario.
so u have half of the people that supports child fucking and the other half is just retarded ? LIke I said before not one of the PSU students would ever support child molestation. It blows my mind how you managed to draw that conclusion. I will agree with the other half of PSU is retarded but half the world is retarded as well. Of course they don't support child molestation. They're just willing to let children be molested by an organization they are indoctrinated to worship. Sadly for you, you don't get to decide what what defines you. Right now, and probably for a long time, your school will be marred by an outcry trying to protect somebody who aided in child molestation, instead of vindicated by an outcry against the atrocities committed on PSU grounds. If you wish to not be part of that group, I suggest you (and anybody else) apply for a transfer to another university.
lol mad at Penn State much?
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On November 12 2011 12:59 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 10:47 Mente wrote:On November 12 2011 00:44 HeavOnEarth wrote:On November 10 2011 15:12 thReNody wrote:On November 10 2011 14:52 discodancer wrote:
Is this protest against firing? Are these football fans? This is so disturbing...
The firing is what ignited the whole thing, as a lot of people are insanely loyal to Paterno. Aside from the kids who are just out there for the experience/to go crazy, the student body is very upset with the University and the Board of Trustees for how they've dealt with the situation so far. Unfortunately I don't think there's any real coherence to the riot (if there were I think protest would be a better word) and so any reasoning for involvement is going to depend on who you talk to. On November 10 2011 14:54 Steelavocado wrote:
My opinion of PSU has plummeted. I don't know if I want to go there anymore. I guess I could settle with an in state school like OSU... As a current student, please don't let this event singly rule out Penn State as an option. This incident does not define us as a school and does not define us as a student body. The Penn State community is much more than this (and what the media is making us out to be) and I can still say that I am proud of my decision to attend this University. Like tronix said, there are many more important reasons to go/not go to a school. it shouldn't but it is !
mente:
The riot was unfounded, unneeded and if anything did WAY more harm than any of the good it was supposed to cause. There was no way after starting the riot that anyone on the board would be willing to just say "aww you're right guys, we shouldn't have fired joe we fucked up". It was fucking stupid and a waste of time and I'm pretty sure more than half of the people there were just there because they were looking for an opportunity to riot not because they actually had any stake in this whole scenario.
so u have half of the people that supports child fucking and the other half is just retarded ? LIke I said before not one of the PSU students would ever support child molestation. It blows my mind how you managed to draw that conclusion. I will agree with the other half of PSU is retarded but half the world is retarded as well. Of course they don't support child molestation. They're just willing to let children be molested by an organization they are indoctrinated to worship. Sadly for you, you don't get to decide what what defines you. Right now, and probably for a long time, your school will be marred by an outcry trying to protect somebody who aided in child molestation, instead of vindicated by an outcry against the atrocities committed on PSU grounds. If you wish to not be part of that group, I suggest you (and anybody else) apply for a transfer to another university.
Or instead of backing away and letting this horrible tragedy take over, do something about it, like Penn State students are. 10,000 plus students gathered for a candle light vigil for the victims:
![[image loading]](http://p.twimg.com/AeBiKRhCEAA3xpW.jpg:large)
In 2 days, PSU has raised $200k for RAINN (http://www.rainn.org),
The actions of those who did wrong do not define Penn State. If you believe that, you are just ignorant of a school that has done great things in the past and will only continue to do so in the future. I think the 500,000 plus alumni and 100,000 current students raising millions of dollars each and every year in support for children who have cancer define what this school is more than the few people in administration that fucked up. Only the media doesn't report things like THON.
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On November 11 2011 17:10 aksfjh wrote:
WTF?! How in the world do people justify defending somebody who abetted the rape of a child? What the hell is wrong with students at Penn State?
My mom asked me this. I said "aren't you a catholic?" lol =[
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On November 12 2011 16:42 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 12:59 aksfjh wrote:On November 12 2011 10:47 Mente wrote:On November 12 2011 00:44 HeavOnEarth wrote:On November 10 2011 15:12 thReNody wrote:On November 10 2011 14:52 discodancer wrote:
Is this protest against firing? Are these football fans? This is so disturbing...
The firing is what ignited the whole thing, as a lot of people are insanely loyal to Paterno. Aside from the kids who are just out there for the experience/to go crazy, the student body is very upset with the University and the Board of Trustees for how they've dealt with the situation so far. Unfortunately I don't think there's any real coherence to the riot (if there were I think protest would be a better word) and so any reasoning for involvement is going to depend on who you talk to. On November 10 2011 14:54 Steelavocado wrote:
My opinion of PSU has plummeted. I don't know if I want to go there anymore. I guess I could settle with an in state school like OSU... As a current student, please don't let this event singly rule out Penn State as an option. This incident does not define us as a school and does not define us as a student body. The Penn State community is much more than this (and what the media is making us out to be) and I can still say that I am proud of my decision to attend this University. Like tronix said, there are many more important reasons to go/not go to a school. it shouldn't but it is !
mente:
The riot was unfounded, unneeded and if anything did WAY more harm than any of the good it was supposed to cause. There was no way after starting the riot that anyone on the board would be willing to just say "aww you're right guys, we shouldn't have fired joe we fucked up". It was fucking stupid and a waste of time and I'm pretty sure more than half of the people there were just there because they were looking for an opportunity to riot not because they actually had any stake in this whole scenario.
so u have half of the people that supports child fucking and the other half is just retarded ? LIke I said before not one of the PSU students would ever support child molestation. It blows my mind how you managed to draw that conclusion. I will agree with the other half of PSU is retarded but half the world is retarded as well. Of course they don't support child molestation. They're just willing to let children be molested by an organization they are indoctrinated to worship. Sadly for you, you don't get to decide what what defines you. Right now, and probably for a long time, your school will be marred by an outcry trying to protect somebody who aided in child molestation, instead of vindicated by an outcry against the atrocities committed on PSU grounds. If you wish to not be part of that group, I suggest you (and anybody else) apply for a transfer to another university. Or instead of backing away and letting this horrible tragedy take over, do something about it, like Penn State students are. 10,000 plus students gathered for a candle light vigil for the victims: In 2 days, PSU has raised $200k for RAINN (http://www.rainn.org), The actions of those who did wrong do not define Penn State. If you believe that, you are just ignorant of a school that has done great things in the past and will only continue to do so in the future. I think the 500,000 plus alumni and 100,000 current students raising millions of dollars each and every year in support for children who have cancer define what this school is more than the few people in administration that fucked up. Only the media doesn't report things like THON.
News often doesn't report on the thousands of other groups who do great things in the name of charity. A certain amount of philanthropic activity is almost expected these days. It's pretty much a shared attribute between groups these days. However, rioting over a coach being fired for incredible negligence concerning a very serious allegation of child rape is something PSU has almost exclusively over any other group. This entire thing is appalling from the President of PSU all the way down to the undergrad student body.
Doing great things doesn't somehow wipe the mistakes away. This is something that apparently a great deal of PSU needs to realize between the administration, student body, and organizations, because it seems that they think some sort of "karmic balance" is all that is needed to clear their mistakes.
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On November 12 2011 10:47 Mente wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 00:44 HeavOnEarth wrote:On November 10 2011 15:12 thReNody wrote:On November 10 2011 14:52 discodancer wrote:
Is this protest against firing? Are these football fans? This is so disturbing...
The firing is what ignited the whole thing, as a lot of people are insanely loyal to Paterno. Aside from the kids who are just out there for the experience/to go crazy, the student body is very upset with the University and the Board of Trustees for how they've dealt with the situation so far. Unfortunately I don't think there's any real coherence to the riot (if there were I think protest would be a better word) and so any reasoning for involvement is going to depend on who you talk to. On November 10 2011 14:54 Steelavocado wrote:
My opinion of PSU has plummeted. I don't know if I want to go there anymore. I guess I could settle with an in state school like OSU... As a current student, please don't let this event singly rule out Penn State as an option. This incident does not define us as a school and does not define us as a student body. The Penn State community is much more than this (and what the media is making us out to be) and I can still say that I am proud of my decision to attend this University. Like tronix said, there are many more important reasons to go/not go to a school. it shouldn't but it is !
mente:
The riot was unfounded, unneeded and if anything did WAY more harm than any of the good it was supposed to cause. There was no way after starting the riot that anyone on the board would be willing to just say "aww you're right guys, we shouldn't have fired joe we fucked up". It was fucking stupid and a waste of time and I'm pretty sure more than half of the people there were just there because they were looking for an opportunity to riot not because they actually had any stake in this whole scenario.
so u have half of the people that supports child fucking and the other half is just retarded ? LIke I said before not one of the PSU students would ever support child molestation. It blows my mind how you managed to draw that conclusion. I will agree with the other half of PSU is retarded but half the world is retarded as well.
i think penn state is a great uni . im just showing u the reality of the situation. blows my mind how you think other people should do otherwise
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that's only one guy though, there were still alum out there that get the main point of who the real victims are.
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Oh come on, that's a sensational TLDR. You left out the reason WHY he's donating money.
Stellatella sent Sandusky $100. He wrote personal letters to other members of the 1959 Liberty Bowl team that defeated a Bear Bryant-coached Alabama team and asked they also donate. He does not know how much money was raised.
"I know some of the guys sent money," Stellatella told The Associated Press. "Here's the thing, these are horrendous charges against him. But he's still entitled to his day in court. Everybody's prejudged him. He's done horrendous damage to Paterno and (athletic director Tim) Curley and the football program. I don't listen to the news and I don't read the reports of what he did because I would get too upset.
"But he's still entitled to his day in court."
I don't know if Stellatella's reason is genuine or not but it's still a valid one. Unless Sandusky is a rich motherfucker that could afford any lawyer he wants in which case this reason falls flat on it's face.
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IMO, if you think, based on the available evidence, that he's likely to have done it, than "everyone's entitled to his day in court" is a terrible reason to donate money for his defence. Not looking at the evidence is just willful ignorance and that's hard to justify morally. I mean, obviously the guy means well, but he seems way too upset to think straight (as he says himself).
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Guilty or not, no criminal deserves to get rolled in court because their lawyer is shitty and the court of public opinion has already judged them. We take pride here in treating criminals fairly. It doesn't mean that anyone condones the criminal activity or anything like that, just that they deserves to be given due process before they get a very harsh punishment handed down.
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On November 13 2011 00:55 chaoser wrote:Oh come on, that's a sensational TLDR. You left out the reason WHY he's donating money. Show nested quote +Stellatella sent Sandusky $100. He wrote personal letters to other members of the 1959 Liberty Bowl team that defeated a Bear Bryant-coached Alabama team and asked they also donate. He does not know how much money was raised.
"I know some of the guys sent money," Stellatella told The Associated Press. "Here's the thing, these are horrendous charges against him. But he's still entitled to his day in court. Everybody's prejudged him. He's done horrendous damage to Paterno and (athletic director Tim) Curley and the football program. I don't listen to the news and I don't read the reports of what he did because I would get too upset.
"But he's still entitled to his day in court." I don't know if Stellatella's reason is genuine or not but it's still a valid one. Unless Sandusky is a rich motherfucker that could afford any lawyer he wants in which case this reason falls flat on it's face.
He admits he didn't read or follow what's happened. If there's an issue with the court system in the US and the disparity in lawyers, then that's one thing. He's just blindly donating to a person he likes. Sandusky will have his day in court, regardless of hiring a high powered lawyer or not.
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The game is about start in less than 15 minutes, should be very interesting. Crowd reaction, player morale etc. The huge amount of press.
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He admits he didn't read or follow what's happened. If there's an issue with the court system in the US and the disparity in lawyers, then that's one thing. He's just blindly donating to a person he likes. Sandusky will have his day in court, regardless of hiring a high powered lawyer or not.
There IS a disparity issue in the US court system in regards to the quality of lawyers though.
I don't think it really applies to Sandusky though given that he's well off social-economically and a white male so I guess my statement doesn't really hold in that regard. Personally if it was me I won't donate just because I'd never believe that Sandusky wouldn't have good council at his trial. (Double negative FTL =[)
But I still think Stellatella's reason, if he genuinely believes Sandusky currently won't be getting a fair trial unless money is donated, is a valid one for donating. Obviously that's something we can't ever know but I think your TLDR simplified the situation in a skewed manner.
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On November 13 2011 01:31 Geosensation wrote:
Guilty or not, no criminal deserves to get rolled in court because their lawyer is shitty and the court of public opinion has already judged them. We take pride here in treating criminals fairly. It doesn't mean that anyone condones the criminal activity or anything like that, just that they deserves to be given due process before they get a very harsh punishment handed down.
That's true, but you can't donate to everyone who can't afford a good lawyer. So when you donate to someone who is accused (with good reason) of raping children you are making a statement.
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On November 13 2011 01:52 chaoser wrote:
Obviously that's something we can't ever know but I think your TLDR simplified the situation in a skewed manner.
Well that I will 100% admit to on this subject. 
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On November 13 2011 01:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The game is about start in less than 15 minutes, should be very interesting. Crowd reaction, player morale etc. The huge amount of press.
You know where there's a live stream to watch it? I'd love to see how the game is treated by both teams, schools, the media covering it, etc.
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