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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On November 06 2011 16:59 Chocobo wrote: Please explain why you feel this man should get a life sentence and a child molestor should not. The child molestor should get a life sentance or worse too. | ||
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Sea_Food
Finland1612 Posts
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Shebuha
Canada1335 Posts
"And what happens if I still keep pics of my 15yo gf naked at the time and this was like 5 years ago and even then i was 2 years older?" -TheBomb ^This. | ||
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casualman
United States1198 Posts
On November 06 2011 17:16 Orcasgt24 wrote: The child molestor should get a life sentance or worse too. There is nothing worse than a life sentence beyond familial extermination. There's literally no difference between life imprisonment and the death sentence, and I'd argue that the death sentence is better and more humane anyways. So in effect, what you are advocating is for all potential closet pedophiles to actually rape and murder children, because you do not differentiate having child porn with actual rape and murder. There's no more reason to suppress or control these urges because either way, the person with these desires is fucked. Good system. | ||
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Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
The actual porn is never all that bad, you can have pretty much anything on screen. It's just that beastiality and child porn have waaaay unethical means to actually produce it. There are many people out there that never show their attraction to animals or children, only a fraction of them actually go about molesting people. Don't get me wrong, the people producing the movies and the people who molest deserve the highest amount of punishment possible in the justice system. But I think as long as the people are sane about it they should be able to, how unethical it may seem, watch the porn to keep their lusts in check. Pedophiles are humans too, albeit ones with a messed up brain. As long as they abide by the law and keep themselves in check they should be able to go about living without suffering major punishment like life sentence. We don't see people getting life sentences in india for having porn of cows, do we? | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
edit: On November 06 2011 13:48 LuCiD37 wrote: Yeah I think it should be punishable, but life in prison? Apparently in the United States we think it's okay to make laws based on how gross we think something is. I guess this generates enough "eeewwws" to warrant taking away the man's entire life... Above all our problems, our justice system is hands down the worst of all of them. This. For all we know this guy did nothing but a virtual crime, and no real people were hurt. Who says he even paid for that stuff? We all know how the internet works, don't we? He might have fought off his urges for many years. If anything he is sick and needs help. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On November 06 2011 17:22 casualman wrote: There is nothing worse than a life sentence beyond familial extermination. There's literally no difference between life imprisonment and the death sentence, and I'd argue that the death sentence is better and more humane anyways. So in effect, what you are advocating is for all potential closet pedophiles to actually rape and murder children, because you do not differentiate having child porn with actual rape and murder. There's no more reason to suppress or control these urges because either way, the person with these desires is fucked. Good system bro. I know right! The person with the these desires might see the punishment and think "fuck that" and not do it, or try and get help for himself so he doesn't. Either way is a victory. If that doesn't stop him, lock him up, throw away the key. The penial system has proven itself ineffective at rehabilitation so no point letting him out. Good system indeed. | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On November 06 2011 17:22 casualman wrote: There is nothing worse than a life sentence beyond familial extermination. There's literally no difference between life imprisonment and the death sentence, and I'd argue that the death sentence is better and more humane anyways. So in effect, what you are advocating is for all potential closet pedophiles to actually rape and murder children, because you do not differentiate having child porn with actual rape and murder. There's no more reason to suppress or control these urges because either way, the person with these desires is fucked. Good system bro. Exactly. Punishing people in comparable ways for molesting a child and for possession of computer files is essentially stating that they are equal crimes, both equally wrong. So if someone has urges to get involved with this stuff, the law is saying "you might as well go out and actually harm people and do the real thing". There are unhealthy people who get a rush out of committing certain crimes... but due to fear of large punishments, they keep it at the level of petty shoplifting, vandalism, and things like that. If the punishment for these is life imprisonment... some of the people will stop, but those who can't resist their urges will go all-out and start robbing banks and stealing cars and killing people if they need to. The law would have removed any incentive to keep their crime to a minimum. | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On November 06 2011 17:38 Orcasgt24 wrote: I know right! The person with the these desires might see the punishment and think "fuck that" and not do it, or try and get help for himself so he doesn't. Either way is a victory. If that doesn't stop him, lock him up, throw away the key. The penial system has proven itself ineffective at rehabilitation so no point letting him out. Good system indeed. If you're serious about this, you need to be educated about how the justice system works. "Death penalty for everything! there won't be any more crime!" actually doesn't work very well, believe it or not. | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On November 06 2011 16:16 Orcasgt24 wrote: Crime rates are down does not mean crime is gone. We can do more. I want Canada to bring back the death penalty so idiots like Robert Pickton and Clifford Olson get what they deserve. I have not seen any results of this lower crime rate. Edmonton is in record murder territory. Huge amounts of drugs and guns are on the streets. Violent crimes and stabbings are still on the rise. More needs to be done. I hate people with your logic, so glad you're not a lawyer or a judge. Let me ask you a hypothetical question: If your aim is to eliminate all crime, is it justifiable to give the death penalty for a stealing a loaf of bread from a store? And if EVERY crime came with the punishment of the death penalty then by your logic no crime would ever be committed! By your logic, harsher penalties result in the crime being committed less often. In reality, it doesn't. People don't commit a crime saying "Oh the punishment for murder is 20 years jail? That is a fair trade, let me go kill this person I dislike". They commit crimes on the premise that they believe they will not get caught, not because they think the punishment isn't very harsh. | ||
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mud123
27 Posts
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On November 06 2011 17:48 Chocobo wrote: If you're serious about this, you need to be educated about how the justice system works. "Death penalty for everything! there won't be any more crime!" actually doesn't work very well, believe it or not. Im not so niave to think that their will ever be "no crime". Thats impossible. I just want way harsher penalties for sicko criminals | ||
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Prospero
United States183 Posts
On November 06 2011 18:01 mud123 wrote: I totally support this sentence. If it was possible I'd sentence him to death. No need to have freaks running around with their mutant genes reproducing more human waste like themselves. Not to mention that just because he hasn't yet hurt a child directly (which might not be the case) is no indication that he won't ever. In fact I'd say that if he is collecting images of child abuse that he is likely at some point to abuse a child himself. Anyone who disagrees with me can really f*ck off I don't care. Obviously the judge agrees with me and that's all that matters. I hope he likes being abused in prison for the rest of his pathetic life. 1.) He doesn't have "mutant" genes. He is a human being with a fetish. Nice try with rhetoric though 2.) Read the article. Is it OK to convict because you FEAR what he'll do, or what he has done. Because that's counter to "innocent until proven guilty." 3.) Apparently you do care, since you're posting your opinion on TL 4.) Because judges were always right in the past, correct? I'd say settle down. Then post again. | ||
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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On November 06 2011 17:48 LAN-f34r wrote: Why is child porn so incredibly hated by most? I mean, child molesting is terrible and the people who do it should be punished heavily, but people only seeing the result are no where near as bad. It's a unique category of crime. For any other kind of crime that I can think of, it's only illegal if you're directly involved in committing the murder/theft/whatever. This is the only one where watching a recording of someone else's crime is illegal. It's illegal for good reasons, since it potentially incites the viewer to take things a step further and do it himself, and because it harms the victim to know that people are out there watching the video of what happened to them. But anyway, I think people just don't think it through completely... it's an "ewwww" subject, people see "the guy's a criminal, somewhere along the line a child was harmed, so fuck him. he's evil scum". They don't stop and consider that there are more serious and less serious offenders. This subject just made me think of something pretty fucked up... so it's illegal to possess this stuff because there's an underage victim of a crime involved. Is it only the underage part that makes it illegal? I don't believe it's illegal to possess or watch a video of a murder taking place. It features a non-consenting victim... but not only is it legal, some of the less-gory parts of it are shown right on television. Then is it illegal to possess or watch a video of a woman being raped, as long as she is of legal age? It's no different from the murder footage. Or is video footage treated differently when it's a sex crime? I seriously hope it's massively illegal, because the unsettling thought that occurred to me is that someone could go out and rape a celebrity, accept the punishment, and have a partner record and sell the footage to get rich. Another random thought: if we lived in a more peaceful world with different cultural values... would it then be illegal to possess or watch a recording of a violent crime or a murder? Would people be disgusted by the viewer, and think the video would incite him to murder someone? Would they see today's action movie producers in the same way Australia sees producers of porn that feature a just-old-enough girl dressed up to look underage? | ||
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iLikeRain
Denmark504 Posts
On November 06 2011 18:01 mud123 wrote: I totally support this sentence. If it was possible I'd sentence him to death. No need to have freaks running around with their mutant genes reproducing more human waste like themselves. Not to mention that just because he hasn't yet hurt a child directly (which might not be the case) is no indication that he won't ever. In fact I'd say that if he is collecting images of child abuse that he is likely at some point to abuse a child himself. Anyone who disagrees with me can really f*ck off I don't care. Obviously the judge agrees with me and that's all that matters. I hope he likes being abused in prison for the rest of his pathetic life. So much BS in one post is a sight to behold. This guy doesn't deserve life sentence when way worse crimes (child molest, rape etc.) does not even give close to the same punishment. And mutant genes? Do you know ANYTHING about biology at all? -.- | ||
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
Now, for people that make/produce/distribute child pornography, life imprisonment is totally appropriate IMO and chances are, if word gets out about what they're in for it's more akin to a death sentence once the other inmates find out. IMO, the guy was made an example of. Happens all the time. Also, the age of the kids in the material is important at least to determine if they were in puberty or not, that sort of fetish is a lot easier to condition out of someone than one who's into the lollis. | ||
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CT Legacy
United States57 Posts
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
On November 06 2011 10:11 Tremendous wrote: Execute the bastard! No need to waste a prison cell on scum like that ! Ummm no? Its wrong, but that is way too harsh for something like this The punishment definitely doesn't fit the crime, it makes me sick | ||
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