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On November 06 2011 15:54 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 15:36 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Im all for harsher sentencing. I think more crimes needs much more punishment because the current ones do not detour crime.
So yay, enjoy your prison cell. It's amazing that how people like you are basically enabling the nonsense crime bills to pass in Canada right now under the premise that crime is getting worse or that the current system fails at deterring crime when Canada is currently showing the lowest crime rate in decades. Crime rates are down? Better put more people in prison and build more prisons. Makes a lot of sense.
Crime rates are down does not mean crime is gone. We can do more. I want Canada to bring back the death penalty so idiots like Robert Pickton and Clifford Olson get what they deserve.
I have not seen any results of this lower crime rate. Edmonton is in record murder territory. Huge amounts of drugs and guns are on the streets. Violent crimes and stabbings are still on the rise. More needs to be done.
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The hell I've heard of pedophiles who raped several kids get 30 years this is nonsense.
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On November 06 2011 15:57 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 15:54 koreasilver wrote:On November 06 2011 15:36 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Im all for harsher sentencing. I think more crimes needs much more punishment because the current ones do not detour crime.
So yay, enjoy your prison cell. It's amazing that how people like you are basically enabling the nonsense crime bills to pass in Canada right now under the premise that crime is getting worse or that the current system fails at deterring crime when Canada is currently showing the lowest crime rate in decades. Crime rates are down? Better put more people in prison and build more prisons. Makes a lot of sense. It's apparently the hot political move around the world... The Victorian government is trying to do the exact same thing here in Aus. Complete idiocy.
I heard Australia banned porn that features women with small breasts, because they look too much like a child.
Off topic, is it weird that as an American it makes me feel better to know the US isn't the only country with insane people in charge of things?
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From OP:
What happened to proportionality? What happened to "the punishment fits the crime"?
That's incorrect, it's the punishment that fits the criminal not the crime.
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The rapist US soldier got 10 years for RAPE. This guy gets life wtf?
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The guy is messed up buy a life sentence is just nonsense
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On November 06 2011 16:22 Chocobo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 15:57 Brett wrote:On November 06 2011 15:54 koreasilver wrote:On November 06 2011 15:36 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Im all for harsher sentencing. I think more crimes needs much more punishment because the current ones do not detour crime.
So yay, enjoy your prison cell. It's amazing that how people like you are basically enabling the nonsense crime bills to pass in Canada right now under the premise that crime is getting worse or that the current system fails at deterring crime when Canada is currently showing the lowest crime rate in decades. Crime rates are down? Better put more people in prison and build more prisons. Makes a lot of sense. It's apparently the hot political move around the world... The Victorian government is trying to do the exact same thing here in Aus. Complete idiocy. I heard Australia banned porn that features women with small breasts, because they look too much like a child. Off topic, is it weird that as an American it makes me feel better to know the US isn't the only country with insane people in charge of things?
Not really. Our classification board has a rule, which is employed on a case by case basis, that if a porno appears to be depicting children (regardless of whether they are children or not), it must be refused classification. Which is effectively a ban. It's not a ban on porn with small breasted women.
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On November 06 2011 16:23 Kar98 wrote:
From OP:
What happened to proportionality? What happened to "the punishment fits the crime"?
That's incorrect, it's the punishment that fits the criminal not the crime. I don't see the difference, unless you consider people criminals for crimes they haven't committed.
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Had Mr. Vilca actually molested a child, they note, he might well have received a lighter sentence.
I still don't get how this makes any sense. Like. HOW?! WHY?! Good god, and the fact that they point it out in the article makes it more ridiculous. It's like saying yea he should have done something worse (by standards of 99%+ people) and things would have turned out better. Sometimes the judicial system man... Needs to get updated.
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On November 06 2011 16:41 phiinix wrote:
Had Mr. Vilca actually molested a child, they note, he might well have received a lighter sentence.
I still don't get how this makes any sense. Like. HOW?! WHY?! Good god, and the fact that they point it out in the article makes it more ridiculous. It's like saying yea he should have done something worse (by standards of 99%+ people) and things would have turned out better. The ones who were cited as pointing it out were questioning the verdict, not endorsing it.
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yea this sentence is a bit much but im not losing any sleep over it. i guarantee u this precedent will deter at least a few people from watching kiddie porn therefore potentially stopping rapes and deaths of childs. i support that.
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On November 06 2011 16:16 Kimaker wrote:
Holy shit. Some people here need to calm down. No one is defending the fact that this sick fuck had Child Porn.
For the record, yes, I am. I would do the exact same thing in his position (i.e. if I had innate pedophilic desires), and so would 99% of other people. I can't imagine that we could ever legalize it, but I have a ton of sympathy for the people in question, and I simply don't have much of a desire to punish people for finding a relatively harmless outlet for their sexual energy instead of going out and molesting kids.
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To me this is justice. Child porn is fucked up!
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I guess the judge was having a bad day.
This is complete bullshit, how the fuck do people even think that is acceptable!?
I mean if you rape someone you probably won't get fucking life. He got life for looking at porn, are you fucking kidding me?
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On November 06 2011 16:57 Xaggah wrote:
To me this is justice. Child porn is fucked up!
Please explain why you feel this man should get a life sentence and a child molestor should not.
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On November 06 2011 16:59 Chocobo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 16:57 Xaggah wrote:
To me this is justice. Child porn is fucked up! Please explain why you feel this man should get a life sentence and a child molestor should not.
please this
rather than standard emotion filled knee jerk reactions i'd honestly like to see an intelligent post trying to justify this
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On November 06 2011 17:05 Carush wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 16:59 Chocobo wrote:On November 06 2011 16:57 Xaggah wrote:
To me this is justice. Child porn is fucked up! Please explain why you feel this man should get a life sentence and a child molestor should not. please this rather than standard emotion filled knee jerk reactions i'd honestly like to see an intelligent post trying to justify this
you're not going to get one because one does not exist i'm afraid. this was one of the most heavy handed sentences i've ever seen (not quite as bad as the guy that had the potential to get life for filming police)
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On November 06 2011 16:59 Chocobo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 16:57 Xaggah wrote:
To me this is justice. Child porn is fucked up! Please explain why you feel this man should get a life sentence and a child molestor should not.
Where did he say a child molestor should not get a life sentence?
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On November 06 2011 15:47 Ryder. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 15:37 Aterons_toss wrote:
He deserves it simply cuz its to much of a risk to let a person who could ruin a child life free.
There are very few cases where the accused is sentenced to life prison and there are even cases where the crimes are higher then this one but those cases should be the one where they also get life prison not this one that should not.
There is not one good reason to let a guy who was in possession of child porn free unless it was something like 15-8 yers old porn that the justice system still class "child" porn in some countries or if the guy actually did not knew what he was downloading.
Its not worth the risk of this guy making something with his life to let him free and risk a child getting raped and maybe even killed resulting in him ruining a life that would most likely have been much more "productive" then his own. What kind of stupid logic is this? I saw it brought up by that Zinnwaldite guy as well, about punishing someone for crimes that may/may not have committed, or in your case, what they may commit in the future... How can you possibly support this? You saying we should lock up a shop lifter forever, just as a precaution in case they decide to escalate into armed robbery? We should give a life sentence to someone for assault, to prevent them from ever murdering anyone? We should lock somebody up who watches S&M porn just in case they decide to go tie up some chick and rape her? Sorry man that's a stupid argument, you don't give someone life just to prevent something that they MIGHT do, you punish them for the crime they HAVE done. And in this case, a shorter prison sentence + serious counselling might actually have the same effect in preventing him for re-offending, instead of locking his life up and throwing away the key. Edit: I'm not saying that denying someone parole because you think they are likely to re-offend is wrong, but blatantly punishing someone for something they have never done before is just stupid...
Someone who is shop lifting can be thought not to shop lift.
Someone who is having sexual pleasure from watching children actually has something wrong with there brain, you should not by any means naturally be sexually excited by freaking pre pubescent humans and the fact that they actually download child porn to "satisfy" this fetish instead of just forgetting about it shows that there will/logic might not be strong enough to resist raping a child in the future.
Locking him up is a horrible thing but until the actual reason for this is found so that this kind of ppl can get treatment for it and/or chemical castration is considered safe/legal in USA so that he can be let free without running a high risk of him doing anything locking him up is the only way.
Raping a child fucks him up for life and is a burden for a whole family, the guy knew that what he does is illegal and that it would show the police ( if they got him ) that he is a pedophile and still downloaded that shit to "satisfy" himself, why wouldn't he do the same with a kids in 10 years "after all a 7 years old won't be able to describe to the police who i am and i can just move to another state and get a new haircut".
I personally do not have kids nor plan to but if i did i would be pretty pissed if this kind of guys were getting free after 3-4 years of prison where there condition most likely got worse if anything due to prison "treatment".
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