On November 06 2011 14:48 Crisium wrote: I'm pretty shocked to see people defending the ruling. The man deserves punishment. He does not deserve this punishment. Murders get less than this. This will be appealed, and hopefully the man gets some time behind bars, comes out of prison, and keeps his fetish to his mind only.
He did keep it on his mind, it's not like he went out and raped a 10 year old girl because he couldn't contain it anymore. He just watched videos privately.
The more I think about this, the more I am convinced he should not receive any punishment at all nor required counseling.
Given of course, he does not molest a child or produce CP in the future. He also cannot contribute to demand for CP production since nobody can purchase it.
Most likely, he probably has a normal sex life outside this fetish. Fetish that is linked with very unpleasant and wrongful things but just a fetish nonetheless.
On November 06 2011 14:20 yarkO wrote: A 'little fetish' doesn't mean shit to me. If you knowingly accessed child porn, then your brain deserves to be scrambled on the sidewalk under my boots. That is so beyond fucked up that I can't even think of rational words to describe it.
Just because he didn't molest a kid doesn't mean he deserves to walk around. I wouldn't want people like that walking the streets, undressing my kids with their perverted eyes.
But I will concede that it is fucked up to some degree I can't comprehend that his punishment would have been lighter had he actually touched someone. Both are equal crimes to me. He may not have touched the children in those photos/videos, but SOMEBODY did and he enjoyed it.
Fuck this guy and fuck every guy like him. Right up the ass with a barbed stick. Multiple times.
You're fucked up.
Kind of ridiculous that the punishment is this severe. The guy has a fucked up fetish, who cares. I wonder if the people claiming he deserves the sentence criticize crazy catholics for having god hates fags signs.
On November 06 2011 14:40 Tektos wrote: His point was he didn't PAY for the child porn at all. The movie and music industry argues all the time that people illegally downloading their movies/music is killing the industry so does that mean downloading child porn without paying for it is the same?
Hah, that's so true! This man has a perfectly legitimate argument that he is hurting the child pornography business.
I hope this guy gets a lighter sentence, and I hope the public supports him. It wouldn't be about supporting child pornography, it would be about support justice. The judge that issued this ruling must have some kind of special bias here. Perhaps his sister was raped as a child, or his own child was molested, or something.
For years I have seen judges as far too powerful. I don't care how much work it takes to get into that position, a man is still a man - and humans are never perfectly rational. After the judge beating his daughter for using the internet, this utterly absurd sentence, judges need to take a step back. Thank god that's what appeal systems are for, though if this sentence remains unchanged then my faith in humanity will never be restored.
On November 06 2011 14:20 yarkO wrote: A 'little fetish' doesn't mean shit to me. If you knowingly accessed child porn, then your brain deserves to be scrambled on the sidewalk under my boots. That is so beyond fucked up that I can't even think of rational words to describe it.
Just because he didn't molest a kid doesn't mean he deserves to walk around. I wouldn't want people like that walking the streets, undressing my kids with their perverted eyes.
But I will concede that it is fucked up to some degree I can't comprehend that his punishment would have been lighter had he actually touched someone. Both are equal crimes to me. He may not have touched the children in those photos/videos, but SOMEBODY did and he enjoyed it.
Fuck this guy and fuck every guy like him. Right up the ass with a barbed stick. Multiple times.
You're fucked up.
Kind of ridiculous that the punishment is this severe. The guy has a fucked up fetish, who cares. I wonder if the people claiming he deserves the sentence criticize crazy catholics for having god hates fags signs.
this
these people didn't choose to have these fucked up fetishes they just got unlucky
a guy like this doesn't deserve punishment imo he didn't touch any kids he kept it to himself and we give him life i'm so fucking glad i'm into legs and ass and not children
On November 06 2011 14:05 Hiroruby wrote: Yes, we can all agree that child exploitation is wrong. What I can't understand, is the unconditional condemnation of people aroused by it. Think for a moment with me. Think (not to hard mind you!) about whatever it is that gets you aroused. Did you ever in your life make a concious decision to be turned on by that? ( cumshots, anal, big breasts, whatever).
I think in most cases, the answer is no. You were attracted to it, and you always have been, to some extent. An obvious example here are gay people, they don't make a choice to become aroused by other men or women. They simply do. Now please, take that principle and apply it to child porn. These people shouldn't be chemically castrated, exiled, or even "treated", whatever that means, seeing as you can't get rid of an innate desire.
In my opinion there should just be an open market of lolicon hentai for those people. Call me crazy, but I think satisfying their demands in a way that harms absolutely no one, and hell, will even provide employment, can't be a bad thing. Artists are pretty ingenious. Make movies that are realistic, make shit that looks appealing. If it is good, then demand for the "real" product will be negated among people willing to control their desires. These are people you don't want to lock up, because they can keep their shit together.
No, this won't stop the other people from attacking real children. Nothing can, much like you can't stop people from murdering others once they get the idea. What it will do is sate the desires of otherwise contributing members of society, who just have an obtuse fetish.
In summary: Give an outlet for pedophiles who don't want to break the law. Don't look down on them because they have urges, look down on people who actually harm others with those urges. Prison is for people who damage the world, not people who want ot have an orgasm quickly so they can get back to browsing reddit, go to work, or read a book.
The most well thought out, logical post I have ever read on TeamLiquid I've seen in a LONG LONG time.
Thank you for redeeming my hope that there is still some common sense left in this community.
On November 06 2011 14:20 yarkO wrote: A 'little fetish' doesn't mean shit to me. If you knowingly accessed child porn, then your brain deserves to be scrambled on the sidewalk under my boots. That is so beyond fucked up that I can't even think of rational words to describe it.
Just because he didn't molest a kid doesn't mean he deserves to walk around. I wouldn't want people like that walking the streets, undressing my kids with their perverted eyes.
But I will concede that it is fucked up to some degree I can't comprehend that his punishment would have been lighter had he actually touched someone. Both are equal crimes to me. He may not have touched the children in those photos/videos, but SOMEBODY did and he enjoyed it.
Fuck this guy and fuck every guy like him. Right up the ass with a barbed stick. Multiple times.
You're fucked up.
Kind of ridiculous that the punishment is this severe. The guy has a fucked up fetish, who cares. I wonder if the people claiming he deserves the sentence criticize crazy catholics for having god hates fags signs.
this
these people didn't choose to have these fucked up fetishes they just got unlucky
a guy like this doesn't deserve punishment imo he didn't touch any kids he kept it to himself and we give him life i'm so fucking glad i'm into legs and ass and not children
I think he deserves some sort of punishment and definitely some therapy/counselling, but I seriously don't understand how people think this is a just ruling.
If I watch a murder on TV does that make me a likely murderer? What if I watch a rape? What if I get my thrills from horror movies? Oh no, better lock me up.
Hasn't it been proven that laws against pornography actually increase sexual crimes in a country?
On November 06 2011 14:20 yarkO wrote: A 'little fetish' doesn't mean shit to me. If you knowingly accessed child porn, then your brain deserves to be scrambled on the sidewalk under my boots. That is so beyond fucked up that I can't even think of rational words to describe it.
Just because he didn't molest a kid doesn't mean he deserves to walk around. I wouldn't want people like that walking the streets, undressing my kids with their perverted eyes.
But I will concede that it is fucked up to some degree I can't comprehend that his punishment would have been lighter had he actually touched someone. Both are equal crimes to me. He may not have touched the children in those photos/videos, but SOMEBODY did and he enjoyed it.
Fuck this guy and fuck every guy like him. Right up the ass with a barbed stick. Multiple times.
You're fucked up.
Kind of ridiculous that the punishment is this severe. The guy has a fucked up fetish, who cares. I wonder if the people claiming he deserves the sentence criticize crazy catholics for having god hates fags signs.
this
these people didn't choose to have these fucked up fetushes they just got unlucky
a guy like this doesn't deserve punishment imo he didn't touch any kids he kept it to himself and we give him life i'm so fucking glad i'm into legs and ass and not children
How can you know? Maybe he has molested a child,, maybe he got away with it.. By keeping his fetish to himself instead of trying to combat it he shows a complete disregard for children's safety and he needs to be punished.
Life might be very harsh,, too harsh some would say. I can't judge wheter it is or not because the guy is to me worth less than todays breakfeast, just like many other nameless sacks of flesh out there.
It might be better if he gets marked as a pedophile so that people will know he's out there and know to keep their guard up around him.
The judge should lose his license to practice law, because unlike the guy possessing child pornography, he has actually proven himself to be a danger to society.
On November 06 2011 14:50 phosphorylation wrote: The more I think about this, the more I am convinced he should not receive any punishment at all nor required counseling.
Given of course, he does not molest a child or produce CP in the future. He also cannot contribute to demand for CP production since nobody can purchase it.
Most likely, he probably has a normal sex life outside this fetish. Fetish that is linked with very unpleasant and wrongful things but just a fetish nonetheless.
Why are you assuming all of these these things? You don't know him or his situation
In response to the OP, it is an eye for an eye. You think that these children that are exposed to this sort of suffering and abuse can completely recover and live normal lives? No - their lives are ruined, and now, so is his life.
Truthfully, the state was probably making a political statement, simply warning other pedophiles.
Nonetheless, to me, being in any way involved in child pornography is unforgivable, and his sentence was just.
On November 06 2011 14:48 Kamais_Ookin wrote: I am deeply sad and embarrassed about the justice system of U.S.
A more severe injustice has occurred and it's not the viewing of CP, it's the ridiculous life-time jail with no chance of parole. Absolutely sickening how more heinous crimes get less duration of punishment,
Back in the day many, many people thought being gay is horrible but now people are more respectable towards it. I hope one day pedophiles will be viewed the same way. Pedophile is the same thing as being gay, you can't change it so why is only one of them being condemned? Of course, I'm not talking about the act of molesting the child but rather the viewing of a realistic portrayal of it. For example:
On November 06 2011 14:05 Hiroruby wrote: Yes, we can all agree that child exploitation is wrong. What I can't understand, is the unconditional condemnation of people aroused by it. Think for a moment with me. Think (not to hard mind you!) about whatever it is that gets you aroused. Did you ever in your life make a concious decision to be turned on by that? ( cumshots, anal, big breasts, whatever).
I think in most cases, the answer is no. You were attracted to it, and you always have been, to some extent. An obvious example here are gay people, they don't make a choice to become aroused by other men or women. They simply do. Now please, take that principle and apply it to child porn. These people shouldn't be chemically castrated, exiled, or even "treated", whatever that means, seeing as you can't get rid of an innate desire.
In my opinion there should just be an open market of lolicon hentai for those people. Call me crazy, but I think satisfying their demands in a way that harms absolutely no one, and hell, will even provide employment, can't be a bad thing. Artists are pretty ingenious. Make movies that are realistic, make shit that looks appealing. If it is good, then demand for the "real" product will be negated among people willing to control their desires. These are people you don't want to lock up, because they can keep their shit together.
No, this won't stop the other people from attacking real children. Nothing can, much like you can't stop people from murdering others once they get the idea. What it will do is sate the desires of otherwise contributing members of society, who just have an obtuse fetish.
In summary: Give an outlet for pedophiles who don't want to break the law. Don't look down on them because they have urges, look down on people who actually harm others with those urges. Prison is for people who damage the world, not people who want ot have an orgasm quickly so they can get back to browsing reddit, go to work, or read a book.
Pedophilia in and of itself isn't bad when you put it that way, sure.
But in NO way should it ever be viewed the same way as homosexuality is now. It should not ever be encouraged in any way. You're going way too far off the opposite end.
Is there someone/somewhere you can contact for appeals etc regarding this kind of thing? Everyone here has opinions, the majority believe the sentence is way too harsh, instead of voicing your opinions here you should do something about it and actually get true justice for this person. Just a suggestion.
The justice system is very strange sometimes. Personally I think his sentence would have been less if he had personally produced the CP and sold it. Do I agree with what he did no, do people that just look at CP have a tendency to eventually take things further most likely, but putting someone away for life because they might do something is extremely wrong. All in all I think this judgement is wrong and they shouldn't waste time with people literally just looking at the stuff but should go after the people making/commissioning the stuff. Just looked up a case where a man raped two girls four and six years old and got a sentence of 26 years, and the judge who tried Lucky Sigudla said that this sentence was too harsh..
On November 06 2011 15:05 David451 wrote: The judge should lose his license to practice law, because unlike the guy possessing child pornography, he has actually proven himself to be a danger to society.
I agree 100% with this statement, the judge is a fucking lunatic.
dont get me wrong, this is messed up and punishment is necessary but seriously... A sex offender or molester doesn't get life in prison. the justice system needs to be more straight forward on how they prosecute individuals for their crimes.
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