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Mecker
Sweden219 Posts
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
Like others have said, if he abducted and raped a girl his sentence would be much lighter. It does not get any more ridiculous than that. Also disgusting to read about these female rapists and child molestors who get off with nothing but probation. However, this man should get a significant punishment... he didn't just download them. He had them shared on a file sharing network and was intentionally increasing the availability of CP and spreading the images of these abused children. He needs all kinds of therapy and a long prison sentence and should never be allowed to live or work anywhere near children... but his punishment of LIFE? A stricter punishment than he'd receive for murdering someone? I don't care how serious you are about handing out severe punishments, you will never be able to logically explain how someone should be punished more for what he did than for taking another person's life. | ||
Seldentar
United States888 Posts
Even if he intentionally possessed child porn, how does that warrant a bigger punishment than actually molesting a kid? Viewing child porn, although disgusting, doesn't harm anyone or interfere with anyone else. Molesting a kid is very harmful. It doesn't add up. | ||
Gummy
United States2180 Posts
On November 06 2011 13:34 Seldentar wrote: This is scary. What if a hacker could gain access to your computer, download child porn onto it without your knowledge, send in a tip for the police, and you end up in jail for the rest of your life? What if that's what happened to this guy? Even if he intentionally possessed child porn, how does that warrant a bigger punishment than actually molesting a kid? Viewing child porn, although disgusting, doesn't harm anyone or interfere with anyone else. Molesting a kid is very harmful. It doesn't add up. Typical miscarriage of justice. Probably a test case that will be appealed in hopes of eventually reaching the supreme court for reinterpretation of current statutes. Regardless of moral stance here the punishment is clearly "cruel and unusual." It's just a question of whether higher courts use discretion to hear this case or slap it with some stare decisis bullshit. | ||
qrs
United States3637 Posts
On November 06 2011 13:30 Olinimm wrote: For the record: 3,000, according to the estimate I linked to. Main point remains the same, of course.I'm sure you, and everyone else in this thread has purchased something that was made in sweatshops by child laborers. In other words, by your logic we are all basically horrible people because we supported child labor. Which arguably is a much more devastating and widespread problem than child pornography. Also, I'm stealing this from someone else in the thread so credit goes to him, but second hand smoke kills 30,000 people every year, does that make every smoker a murderer, or at least partially responsible? | ||
Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On November 06 2011 13:13 Parnage wrote: It's irrational to have a dislike of people who enjoy getting off to images of children being sexually abused? You don't get it? You don't get why people would be upset by that? Really? If you don't get that, I am afraid nothing I can do will convince you otherwise it's pretty common sense to me to be offended and disgusted by that to a point of disliking a person. I feel the same way about people who find entertainment in intentionally being an asshole to others, people who get off on disgusting "torture porn" movies, and people who mistreat animals. These people's brains are wired wrong and it's probably unfixable, they'll never be a good person. That doesn't mean I would be OK with them getting life imprisonment for selling drugs. You do not take away a person's entire life for something like that, and especially not when more severe crimes have lighter punishments. I don't have a problem with it because again he'll appeal and maybe he'll get cut down some years maybe he wont but in the end he's still guilty and I am not going to feel bad for a guy like that. Your dislike of this man is not irrational. Your willingness to accept a legal system where the punishments don't fit the crimes is. | ||
Kid-Fox
Canada400 Posts
It's unfortunate for him to be punished so severely. I'm not defending him, no; CP is just wrong, and it's terrible to get off on pictures of children who may(and by may I mean pretty much all of the time) have been abused in the making of the content. But can we focus less on the punishment and more on the rehabilitation? The therapy? I hate the idea that the harsher the punishment, the less people do the crime. then again, the alternative might be too ambitious and costly... | ||
LuCiD37
United States150 Posts
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Pillage
United States804 Posts
On November 06 2011 10:20 Ozell wrote: Looks like some tea party members are playing Starcraft II Gotta love stupid generalizations that don't help the discussion at all. To me it seems that this is overkill. Society definitely has a knee jerk reaction to two things: - Crimes against children - Sex Crimes Throw them together and you get this poopstorm, where emotion gets in the way of proper decisions. I doubt that bastard will survive 2 years in prison if the other inmates discover what he was incarcerated for. | ||
Kazuo
United States67 Posts
My understanding was that people who watch child porn are nearly all creepy middle-aged weird men, but since this I've taken a step back from the stereotype and looked at it from a different perspective (especially since there was another student, even younger, who was arrested on the same charges). He is just a regular guy with a fetish who has access to almost unlimited content on the internet which will satisfy his needs. He most likely wasn't downloading all of that material thinking that this is contributing to the problem. It's already there, people are going to make it anyways, individually he would make no difference whether or not this material would be available and made. I'm not saying that he was justified by any means for downloading the content or that he should be let off without any sort of punishment (he is still awaiting trial on a $50,000 bail), but the potential to get 25 to life like the guy in op is absolute overkill. All of his family and friends know about this, and his life and identify are essentially ruined now that his secret is revealed to the public. I would much rather have him look at pictures and videos of content that has already been made and will still be made whether or not he looked at that stuff anyways, then finding other, more disturbing ways to get off from his fetish. On the other hand, making examples using severe punishment is often a good way to reduce the frequency of a crime, but is it really necessary to throw a good person who has a bad fetish in jail for his entire life because he turned to a relatively harmless method of satisfaction? Someone who, opposed to a violent child molester, can be reintroduced into society, most likely not going to be a repeat offender. Very odd how much your opinion can change about something when it happens to someone you know... | ||
phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
america's politically correct society is causing all of us to lose perspective.. | ||
fuzzy_panda
New Zealand1681 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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ukas
Mexico24 Posts
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Hiroruby
United States43 Posts
I think in most cases, the answer is no. You were attracted to it, and you always have been, to some extent. An obvious example here are gay people, they don't make a choice to become aroused by other men or women. They simply do. Now please, take that principle and apply it to child porn. These people shouldn't be chemically castrated, exiled, or even "treated", whatever that means, seeing as you can't get rid of an innate desire. In my opinion there should just be an open market of lolicon hentai for those people. Call me crazy, but I think satisfying their demands in a way that harms absolutely no one, and hell, will even provide employment, can't be a bad thing. Artists are pretty ingenious. Make movies that are realistic, make shit that looks appealing. If it is good, then demand for the "real" product will be negated among people willing to control their desires. These are people you don't want to lock up, because they can keep their shit together. No, this won't stop the other people from attacking real children. Nothing can, much like you can't stop people from murdering others once they get the idea. What it will do is sate the desires of otherwise contributing members of society, who just have an obtuse fetish. In summary: Give an outlet for pedophiles who don't want to break the law. Don't look down on them because they have urges, look down on people who actually harm others with those urges. Prison is for people who damage the world, not people who want ot have an orgasm quickly so they can get back to browsing reddit, go to work, or read a book. | ||
T3tra
United States406 Posts
On November 06 2011 10:15 Manifesto7 wrote: Hey first two posters with their knee jerk reactions. Did you read the article? How about this quote? Absolutely mind boggling. I wonder how much money it costs to keep someone in prison and feed them every day for his whole life. | ||
Cytokinesis
Canada330 Posts
And more on topic it is really messed up that this guy get's life in prison. Really? REALLY? I could go on a murder spree and kill a bunch of people and get the same sentence, nice. I could rob a bank and actually get to leave prison at some point. This truly is a moronic sentence. | ||
omisa
United States494 Posts
On November 06 2011 13:57 Kazuo wrote: My neighbor last year had his apartment raided by the police and FBI, after a year long investigation, and found that his roommate had hundreds of videos and images of child porn on his computer. I knew and hung out with his roommate for about four months prior to this happening so needless to say this came as a huge shocker. Both of us are college students, he lived with his girlfriend, went to parties with me, liked to chill, smoke, and drink with me and my roommates, he was really nice and respectful. My understanding was that people who watch child porn are nearly all creepy middle-aged weird men, but since this I've taken a step back from the stereotype and looked at it from a different perspective (especially since there was another student, even younger, who was arrested on the same charges). He is just a regular guy with a fetish who has access to almost unlimited content on the internet which will satisfy his needs. He most likely wasn't downloading all of that material thinking that this is contributing to the problem. It's already there, people are going to make it anyways, individually he would make no difference whether or not this material would be available and made. I'm not saying that he was justified by any means for downloading the content or that he should be let off without any sort of punishment (he is still awaiting trial on a $50,000 bail), but the potential to get 25 to life like the guy in op is absolute overkill. All of his family and friends know about this, and his life and identify are essentially ruined now that his secret is revealed to the public. I would much rather have him look at pictures and videos of content that has already been made and will still be made whether or not he looked at that stuff anyways, then finding other, more disturbing ways to get off from his fetish. On the other hand, making examples using severe punishment is often a good way to reduce the frequency of a crime, but is it really necessary to throw a good person who has a bad fetish in jail for his entire life because he turned to a relatively harmless method of satisfaction? Someone who, opposed to a violent child molester, can be reintroduced into society, most likely not going to be a repeat offender. Very odd how much your opinion can change about something when it happens to someone you know... You do have a good point. For all we know, he could have been a honest/productive member of society who may have had just an odd fetish, or maybe not. Is he really wrong for just looking? Guess ill reserve judgement on this one. | ||
phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
On November 06 2011 14:05 Hiroruby wrote: Yes, we can all agree that child exploitation is wrong. What I can't understand, is the unconditional condemnation of people aroused by it. Think for a moment with me. Think (not to hard mind you!) about whatever it is that gets you aroused. Did you ever in your life make a concious decision to be turned on by that? ( cumshots, anal, big breasts, whatever). I think in most cases, the answer is no. You were attracted to it, and you always have been, to some extent. An obvious example here are gay people, they don't make a choice to become aroused by other men or women. They simply do. Now please, take that principle and apply it to child porn. These people shouldn't be chemically castrated, exiled, or even "treated", whatever that means, seeing as you can't get rid of an innate desire. In my opinion there should just be an open market of lolicon hentai for those people. Call me crazy, but I think satisfying their demands in a way that harms absolutely no one, and hell, will even provide employment, can't be a bad thing. Artists are pretty ingenious. Make movies that are realistic, make shit that looks appealing. If it is good, then demand for the "real" product will be negated among people willing to control their desires. These are people you don't want to lock up, because they can keep their shit together. No, this won't stop the other people from attacking real children. Nothing can, much like you can't stop people from murdering others once they get the idea. What it will do is sate the desires of otherwise contributing members of society, who just have an obtuse fetish. In summary: Give an outlet for pedophiles who don't want to break the law. Don't look down on them because they have urges, look down on people who actually harm others with those urges. Prison is for people who damage the world, not people who want ot have an orgasm quickly so they can get back to browsing reddit, go to work, or read a book. Also agreed with this wholeheartedly. I think its all the feminists and the mothers-against-blah blah organizations who are sustaining this taboo. | ||
Zostix
16 Posts
On November 06 2011 12:41 RonNation wrote: really sad how many TLrs think this punishment is too much It's really sad how you believe the law should be biased to people you don't like. | ||
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