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A 'little fetish' doesn't mean shit to me. If you knowingly accessed child porn, then your brain deserves to be scrambled on the sidewalk under my boots. That is so beyond fucked up that I can't even think of rational words to describe it.
Just because he didn't molest a kid doesn't mean he deserves to walk around. I wouldn't want people like that walking the streets, undressing my kids with their perverted eyes.
But I will concede that it is fucked up to some degree I can't comprehend that his punishment would have been lighter had he actually touched someone. Both are equal crimes to me. He may not have touched the children in those photos/videos, but SOMEBODY did and he enjoyed it.
Fuck this guy and fuck every guy like him. Right up the ass with a barbed stick.
Multiple times.
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Other crimes having a bad sentencing standard isn't justification for or against a long sentence in this case.
I do think a long sentence is deserved, but life is definitely overkill.
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Sure, he hasn't harmed any children directly, but he's still contributing to the problem. How do you think the children being video taped / photographed feel when they're uncle, brother, father, whomever is violating them? It's like drug trafficking in some regard, being that you may just be on your basement couch snorting a line of coke of a coffee table - but somewhere in Columbia blood is being shed for the sake of your high.
edit: That being said, I feel the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Anyone convicted of a sex related crime will get exactly what they deserve during their sentence. Prisoners have a pretty good way of imposing their own punishments on pedophiles, so I figure that should be sufficient.
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Although I think he should definitely serve some jail time I do believe that life without parole is a bit extensive. People sentenced to murder here in Canada often are sentenced to 20-25 years with parole; Meaning they sometimes get out serving only 1/3 of their sentence. Not to say out justice system is anywhere near perfect, but in comparison these crimes are nothing near as severe.
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On November 06 2011 10:06 qrs wrote:
I remember the whole uproar over the Saudi Arabian sentence of a literal "eye for an eye" after a man blinded a woman by throwing acid in her face. This is a lot more than an eye for an eye--this is life in prison for downloading pictures.
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it was not saudi arabian it was in iran
and in the end she forgived him on the day where he should be blinded so
got spared
imo i think life sentence for downloading child porn is a bit too much 1-2 years in prison would do the job
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On November 06 2011 14:20 Piggiez wrote:
Sure, he hasn't harmed any children directly, but he's still contributing to the problem. How do you think the children being video taped / photographed feel when they're uncle, brother, father, whomever is violating them? It's like drug trafficking in some regard, being that you may just be on your basement couch snorting a line of coke of a coffee table - but somewhere in Columbia blood is being shed for the sake of your high.
edit: That being said, I feel the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Anyone convicted of a sex related crime will get exactly what they deserve during their sentence. Prisoners have a pretty good way of imposing their own punishments on pedophiles, so I figure that should be sufficient.
bad analogy..
since there is no "market" for cp, his downloading the content won't affect the creation of cp AT ALL, because its not a commodity like cocaine is.
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On November 06 2011 14:20 yarkO wrote:
A 'little fetish' doesn't mean shit to me. If you knowingly accessed child porn, then your brain deserves to be scrambled on the sidewalk under my boots. That is so beyond fucked up that I can't even think of rational words to describe it.
Just because he didn't molest a kid doesn't mean he deserves to walk around. I wouldn't want people like that walking the streets, undressing my kids with their perverted eyes.
But I will concede that it is fucked up to some degree I can't comprehend that his punishment would have been lighter had he actually touched someone. Both are equal crimes to me. He may not have touched the children in those photos/videos, but SOMEBODY did and he enjoyed it.
Fuck this guy and fuck every guy like him. Right up the ass with a barbed stick.
Multiple times.
you sound more fucked up than the guy in question braton
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Is prison even helpful in situations like this as opposed to counselling/rehab?
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On November 06 2011 14:20 yarkO wrote:
A 'little fetish' doesn't mean shit to me. If you knowingly accessed child porn, then your brain deserves to be scrambled on the sidewalk under my boots. That is so beyond fucked up that I can't even think of rational words to describe it.
Just because he didn't molest a kid doesn't mean he deserves to walk around. I wouldn't want people like that walking the streets, undressing my kids with their perverted eyes.
But I will concede that it is fucked up to some degree I can't comprehend that his punishment would have been lighter had he actually touched someone. Both are equal crimes to me. He may not have touched the children in those photos/videos, but SOMEBODY did and he enjoyed it.
Fuck this guy and fuck every guy like him. Right up the ass with a barbed stick.
Multiple times.
terrible terrible logic.
so if someone gets a kick out of watching snuff videos (people getting murdered) but hasn't killed a fly, he deserves the same punishment as the murderer?
good thing most people have more sense than you
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On November 06 2011 14:25 perser84 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 10:06 qrs wrote:
I remember the whole uproar over the Saudi Arabian sentence of a literal "eye for an eye" after a man blinded a woman by throwing acid in her face. This is a lot more than an eye for an eye--this is life in prison for downloading pictures. it was not saudi arabian it was in iran and in the end she forgived him on the day where he should be blinded so got spared imo i think life sentence for downloading child porn is a bit too much 1-2 years in prison would do the job Darn, you're right. Misremembered which Islamic country it happened in. I'll correct that in the OP; thanks.
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On November 06 2011 14:28 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:20 Piggiez wrote:
Sure, he hasn't harmed any children directly, but he's still contributing to the problem. How do you think the children being video taped / photographed feel when they're uncle, brother, father, whomever is violating them? It's like drug trafficking in some regard, being that you may just be on your basement couch snorting a line of coke of a coffee table - but somewhere in Columbia blood is being shed for the sake of your high.
edit: That being said, I feel the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Anyone convicted of a sex related crime will get exactly what they deserve during their sentence. Prisoners have a pretty good way of imposing their own punishments on pedophiles, so I figure that should be sufficient. bad analogy.. since there is no "market" for cp, his downloading the content won't affect the creation of cp AT ALL, because its not a commodity like cocaine is.
". . .According to recent reports, the worldwide child-pornography market amounts to about $3 billion annually, with content bought and sold primarily over the Internet."
http://www.lhj.com/relationships/family/safety/behind-closed-doors-child-pornography/?page=2
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On November 06 2011 10:20 HackBenjamin wrote:
Yeah, I read it. I'm just not sympathetic to anyone involved in the industry, or the consumers. At all. People can chalk it up to an uncontrollable fetish all they want. If someone rapes your son or daughter, films or photographs it, distributes it, and just for the sake of argument, you catch someone in posession of it, what are you going to do?
That's why you have judges who are meant to be impartial and assess each case on its merits. If cases were decided by the victim's family then there would be life sentences/executions given out like candy. That isn't how justice should work...
Whilst child porn is disgusting and anyone participating in it should be punished, this is too far... Especially if he didn't even pay for it.
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On November 06 2011 14:28 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:20 Piggiez wrote:
Sure, he hasn't harmed any children directly, but he's still contributing to the problem. How do you think the children being video taped / photographed feel when they're uncle, brother, father, whomever is violating them? It's like drug trafficking in some regard, being that you may just be on your basement couch snorting a line of coke of a coffee table - but somewhere in Columbia blood is being shed for the sake of your high.
edit: That being said, I feel the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Anyone convicted of a sex related crime will get exactly what they deserve during their sentence. Prisoners have a pretty good way of imposing their own punishments on pedophiles, so I figure that should be sufficient. bad analogy.. since there is no "market" for cp, his downloading the content won't affect the creation of cp AT ALL, because its not a commodity like cocaine is. Um, what? There's no market for child pornography? It's not a commodity? What are you smoking? (pun weak but intended.)
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its not a "market" because it is not being openly sold and bought. it is being clandestinely downloaded. there's no commercial demand for it.
what's more, it is not something that is expendable -- that is, it can be downloaded over and over -- hence it's not a typical commodity like a drug can be.
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Hmmm.. I think if a person actually stores a ton of child porn on their computer a very harsh punishment it okay, because this shows that they are quite okay with being what they are and they are more likely to eventually go and molest children.
I don't think there is anything wrong with being a pedophile in general, but if you keep it to yourself while not even trying to fight it, it means you're likely to become a problem. If that is the case, then you need to be removed.
If kids were the only thing that could get me hard,, i would simply stay soft,. If you support the makers of child porn by filling your computer with the content they work oh so hard to create then you're almost just as bad they are.
gah,,
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On November 06 2011 10:23 Iyerbeth wrote:
If you're going to give life sentences to people looking at the stuff what possible deterant is there to not just go out and abuse a kid themselves? They're hardly going to get a worse sentence (and that's even if you count the death penalty) and even then, if you're getting the same for murder what's to stop them murdering the kids to make sure they don't speak out (edit: ) as it's still the same sentence? This just seems insane as a "start" sentence.
This.
IMO, he should receive some light punishment(community service, 1 year in jail tops), and be sent to counseling.
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I don't understand this at all, where is the logic?
If someone is not paying for child pornography (downloading it for free) and has no intention of ever touch a child or act on their desires, they need PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP, not getting locked in prison with murderers and criminals. They have a sexual desire that doesn't fit with the norm and they should be given help and support to fix the problem rather than life in prison. Prison only serves to separate them from society, it doesn't fix the problem.
The people who distribute or support the child porn industry, THEY are the criminals who deserve to be locked in jail and the key thrown away.
On November 06 2011 14:31 Piggiez wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:28 phosphorylation wrote:On November 06 2011 14:20 Piggiez wrote:
Sure, he hasn't harmed any children directly, but he's still contributing to the problem. How do you think the children being video taped / photographed feel when they're uncle, brother, father, whomever is violating them? It's like drug trafficking in some regard, being that you may just be on your basement couch snorting a line of coke of a coffee table - but somewhere in Columbia blood is being shed for the sake of your high.
edit: That being said, I feel the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Anyone convicted of a sex related crime will get exactly what they deserve during their sentence. Prisoners have a pretty good way of imposing their own punishments on pedophiles, so I figure that should be sufficient. bad analogy.. since there is no "market" for cp, his downloading the content won't affect the creation of cp AT ALL, because its not a commodity like cocaine is. Show nested quote +". . .According to recent reports, the worldwide child-pornography market amounts to about $3 billion annually, with content bought and sold primarily over the Internet." http://www.lhj.com/relationships/family/safety/behind-closed-doors-child-pornography/?page=2
His point was he didn't PAY for the child porn at all. The movie and music industry argues all the time that people illegally downloading their movies/music is killing the industry so does that mean downloading child porn without paying for it is the same?
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Stupidly oversentenced crime.
CP is disgusting, but it doesn't warrant a life of jail time.
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I am deeply sad and embarrassed about the justice system of U.S.
A more severe injustice has occurred and it's not the viewing of CP, it's the ridiculous life-time jail with no chance of parole. Absolutely sickening how more heinous crimes get less duration of punishment,
Back in the day many, many people thought being gay is horrible but now people are more respectable towards it. I hope one day pedophiles will be viewed the same way. Pedophile is the same thing as being gay, you can't change it so why is only one of them being condemned? Of course, I'm not talking about the act of molesting the child but rather the viewing of a realistic portrayal of it. For example:
On November 06 2011 14:05 Hiroruby wrote:
Yes, we can all agree that child exploitation is wrong. What I can't understand, is the unconditional condemnation of people aroused by it. Think for a moment with me. Think (not to hard mind you!) about whatever it is that gets you aroused. Did you ever in your life make a concious decision to be turned on by that? ( cumshots, anal, big breasts, whatever).
I think in most cases, the answer is no. You were attracted to it, and you always have been, to some extent. An obvious example here are gay people, they don't make a choice to become aroused by other men or women. They simply do. Now please, take that principle and apply it to child porn. These people shouldn't be chemically castrated, exiled, or even "treated", whatever that means, seeing as you can't get rid of an innate desire.
In my opinion there should just be an open market of lolicon hentai for those people. Call me crazy, but I think satisfying their demands in a way that harms absolutely no one, and hell, will even provide employment, can't be a bad thing. Artists are pretty ingenious. Make movies that are realistic, make shit that looks appealing. If it is good, then demand for the "real" product will be negated among people willing to control their desires. These are people you don't want to lock up, because they can keep their shit together.
No, this won't stop the other people from attacking real children. Nothing can, much like you can't stop people from murdering others once they get the idea. What it will do is sate the desires of otherwise contributing members of society, who just have an obtuse fetish.
In summary: Give an outlet for pedophiles who don't want to break the law. Don't look down on them because they have urges, look down on people who actually harm others with those urges. Prison is for people who damage the world, not people who want ot have an orgasm quickly so they can get back to browsing reddit, go to work, or read a book.
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I'm pretty shocked to see people defending the ruling. The man deserves punishment. He does not deserve this punishment. Murders get less than this. This will be appealed, and hopefully the man gets some time behind bars, comes out of prison, and keeps his fetish to his mind only.
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