EPTI'm gonna word whore in the 6 languages I speak and hope to take over rank #1 once I'm done with all the papers I have to write.
Edit: Apparently Portuguese and Korean are still in Beta. Hmmm, I suppose it's still worth trying them out...
Memrise: Learning languages with a game approach - Page 6
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Cr4zyH0r5e
Peru1308 Posts
I'm gonna word whore in the 6 languages I speak and hope to take over rank #1 once I'm done with all the papers I have to write. Edit: Apparently Portuguese and Korean are still in Beta. Hmmm, I suppose it's still worth trying them out... | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
On November 06 2011 20:56 idonthinksobro wrote: i tested it and so far it seems to be pointless - the wordlists for the language i wanted to improve are all on a very basic level and the program tells you that it's wrong to write "phone" instead of "telephone". (sometimes you get a close but very often you will get 0 points for knowing a synoym). /E but i will try a little longer you can add me to the list if you want TL-me dont select the demo version for a language if you arent a real beginner. it includes words like yes, no, hello and so on.. click on "Languages". there you can choose from different wordlists | ||
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Caesarion
Australia8332 Posts
TL-Caesarion Trying out Mandarin for now. Might move on to Japanese/Korean. | ||
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Gonozal
Germany320 Posts
How do i change the wordlist i learn? | ||
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GTo7_Panda
Germany68 Posts
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gregdetre
44 Posts
On November 06 2011 20:56 idonthinksobro wrote: sometimes you get a close but very often you will get 0 points for knowing a synonym [Memrise co-founder here] I know exactly what you mean. It's really annoying when you type something that's effectively right, but you get told its wrong because it's not the exact answer looked for. I spent ages reworking the algorithms, trying to make them more permissive, giving you credit for typos, ignoring punctuation and capitalization, to make sure we didn't dock you points accidentally for a right answer. On top of that, we have a list of synonyms and related answers for each word that we accept, and we're constantly trying to add to those lists. That said, the number of user-generated languages is growing pretty fast, and I know we're not quite able to keep up. Maybe we should also add a 'Hey buddy, I was actually right!' button. Thanks for the idea. | ||
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gregdetre
44 Posts
On November 06 2011 20:18 smr wrote: Tryed some czech and I have to say that I like the system. But I see one problem. If they ask you to write the czech word for "better" it doesn't matter if you write "lepši" or "lepsi". The problem is that there is a difference when spoken. Nevertheless I like that page alot. [Memrise co-founder here] You're right - this isn't quite right yet. We're in the process introducing a mini-keyboard that appears below the typing error for each language, so that you can easily learn to type the accents properly. That way, we'll be able to test you on the exact accents. For now, we're just ignore accents, because no one can figure out how to type them! | ||
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gregdetre
44 Posts
> Or: How much can the brain handle to learn, considering the information > are dedicated to the long-term-memory? [Memrise co-founder here] There are no hard limits in the brain. But one of the biggest reasons we struggle to learn things is that other memories we have get in the way - the knowledge we want may be in our brains, but other related or similar stuff is interfering. So if you learn multiple languages at once, the new words from one language might get in the way with new words from another. One solution would be to make the languages very very different (e.g. Mandarin and Spanish), so that they don't get confused with one another. > Is the quality of the memorization lower if I just view memrise as a game instead of a tool for learning vocabularies? Ha! Good question. I don't know for sure. But I think that the most important thing is motivation - so if you're really motivated by a game, you'll learn well1 > And how comes that the brain understands more words that it can use? This one really bugs me^^ Here are a couple of reasons: - When you're recognizing something, you're just doing a match. Does this fit with what I already know. But when you're using it yourself, you have to pull it out of memory fresh. Recalling a memory requires more than just matching something against a memory you already have. - When understanding a word, you'll often see it in context. This extra context (other words in the sentence, environment, speaker's tone of voice etc.) all provide information that help you make sense of it. | ||
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gregdetre
44 Posts
On November 06 2011 18:13 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote: Hello Greg, I don't mean to put you on the spot or anything, but when you say "the optimal way to strengthen a memory is to test and test and test it, progressively increasing the difficulty," by what psycholinguistic hypothesis are you asserting this claim? The reason software like this bothers me is it simply goes against everything we have discovered about language learning in the past fifty years. If applied linguists have learned one thing from the fall of the audiolingual method, it was this: drilling will almost never take somebody past the most novice stages of language learning. Rosetta Stone went against all of the theory surrounding applied linguistics with this (despite claims that their software is linguist approved), and to no surprise, it is an overpriced, useless piece of software. I agree that it can indeed by incorporated into a more holistic approach to language learning, but using it as a main source of stimulus has long been known to be ineffective. If you could be more specific and tell us why you believe this system is effective, I'd like to hear more about it. [Memrise co-founder here] Hey there, Those are really good questions. Let me have a crack at them. The claim about the importance of testing comes from the literature on test-enhanced learning. See e.g. Roediger, H.L. & Karpicke (2006). There's a lot of work to suggest that being tested strengthens your memory much much more than simply seeing the answer over and over again. The claim about progressively increasing the difficulty comes from Michael Anderson's work on retrieval-induced forgetting, and from my PhD work. Basically, if you have to work hard to get the answer right on a test, it strengthens the memory a huge amount. If it's too easy, you don't get much of a learning effect. If you get the answer wrong, it can actually *weaken* the memory. Finally, you guys know better than anyone, that the difficulty curve is really important in keeping people motivated. So there are some insights from the gaming world woven in too. I think you're 100% right that you need to look at language holistically. Vocabulary is critical, and very difficult normally. So we'll turbocharge that, and do our very best to make it fun. That'll give you a big headstart. Yours, Greg | ||
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GTo7_Panda
Germany68 Posts
One more question: When I learn something new and it´s contextual relatet - will the information itself be saved in the same region of the brain as the context? | ||
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Nightshake
France412 Posts
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Vandroy
Sweden155 Posts
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pyrogenetix
United Arab Emirates5090 Posts
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Jongl0
631 Posts
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Kaiwa
Netherlands2209 Posts
 You can even high five yourself! Free points dude... | ||
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
On November 06 2011 23:13 Kaiwa wrote: LOL my mail inbox: "TL-****" gave you a high five! like 6 times You can even high five yourself! Free points dude...Have another haha :p TL-Phenny if you wanna add to list OP. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
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conTAgi0n
United States335 Posts
On November 06 2011 22:08 gregdetre wrote: [Memrise co-founder here] I know exactly what you mean. It's really annoying when you type something that's effectively right, but you get told its wrong because it's not the exact answer looked for. I spent ages reworking the algorithms, trying to make them more permissive, giving you credit for typos, ignoring punctuation and capitalization, to make sure we didn't dock you points accidentally for a right answer. On top of that, we have a list of synonyms and related answers for each word that we accept, and we're constantly trying to add to those lists. That said, the number of user-generated languages is growing pretty fast, and I know we're not quite able to keep up. Maybe we should also add a 'Hey buddy, I was actually right!' button. Thanks for the idea. That "I was right" button is a good idea. I was doing the Mandarin one and it introduced the character for "man" and the related radical, which it called something like "man (squished to one side)." It gave me the radical and I typed "man (squished to one side)" or whatever it was and it marked me as wrong. I can only assume it was looking for just "man." Really cool you're posting here to answer questions, btw. Interesting to hear your thoughts on it. | ||
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Falco252
France197 Posts
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
Also its very cool that an offical from memrise discovered this forumthread an answers questions. | ||
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