On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote: I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight...
This Also is beyond ignorance to say this should be punished with anything else then a few weeks suspension tbh, this kind of shit happens in school... they are kids damn it, unless he was seriously injured or beaten to death or something like that its just a normal "school fight". The fact that some ppl think that someone being gay is reason enough to be defended from bullies more then a geek/small in size/fat..etc kids is just horrible and 20th century imo, being gay is a reason enough for some kid to fight/insult another kid... is bad but look back at your school and think of at least 1 fat/nerdy... w.e kid that got picked on for that reason, its the same here. Bullies gonna bully and its not worse in this case then in any other.
Did you actually watch the video?
The assault was fucking PLANNED and it wasn't just like he was teasing him. He hit him as hard as he could in the face with his fists, repeatedly.
"Bullies gonna bully and its not worse in this case then in any other" is pretty lol worthy in this case.
It is impressive that you can judge the force of someone hits by watching a phone camera video... It wasn't a planed assault it was most likely the bully and his friends saying : "guys, when X enters the room il hit him and you film.. lololol" which is not something unheard of, the media calls it a "planed assault against a gay" cuz that brings in the viewers... much like the 8-12 years old kids fighting in an MMA style and mostly learning how to fight in the MMA style in that fighting club that was called by BBC " Kids as young as 5 cage fighting".
Assault and battery. Doing it because he's gay makes it a felony. Doesn't matter how hard the hits were. Doesn't matter how much sensationalism there is in this, you can see the fucking video. The police not only have the man power, but they have all of the 11 minutes this case would take to solve.
Throw the kid in jail for a couple years and show him what the lifers think of gay sex.
p.s. they think it's awesome.
Again, example of punishing someone due to victim status, punish the crime for what the crime is, not who the crime was done to
It's called a hate crime.
Hate crime laws in the United States protect against hate crimes (also known as bias crimes) motivated by enmity or animus against a protected class. Although state laws vary, current statutes permit federal prosecution of hate crimes committed on the basis of a person's protected characteristics of race, religion, ethnicity, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability.
You're welcome to inspect the US Code, as well as the 50 state codes, to see the exact penalties and circumstances.
On a logical level though, how does harming a human with ill intent, be a lesser crime than the harm a human of "special status" with ill intent? or are you otherwise intending to say that these special groups are fundementally different from other "normal" humans and should be judged as such?
Imo motives matter, it's far worse beating someone up because he is gay than it is to beat up a gay kid because he sits on your chair or whatever -.- neither is right but one is definitely worse than the other.
What if the fat guy didn't sit in the chair though?
So in theory, if you were to act towards a gay person with ill intent you are commiting a more punishable crime than if you commit an act toward say... a overweight individual with ill intent?
Does that in theory make that overweight individual less protected and inferior than the individual with homosexuality?
or do intend to say that the situation cannot be compared because gays are fundementally different from other humans and crimes against them should be treated fundementally differently?
What is "MMA" style? All the other kid was doing was fighting like any white kid... he was just punching from above repeatedly... Unfortunate that he didn't just kick the other kid in the dick... ( most guys can't take attacks to the genitals... )
The sentencing is short. They should make the other kid pay tens of thousands of dollars instead for medical problems that may arise and more. Best if they were enslaved to debt or something... The other child would still be able to continue their education.
Right so here's my take on this after watching the video.
Really glad the mother filed charges, its clear cut assault. No questions, about it.
But, whether it is a hate crime will be very difficult to determine. Maybe not for everyone on the internet where everything is black and white, but rather in court. There's nothing to prove its a hate crime other than the mothers word. Which, whether true or not, is not evidence that can you used to convict the bully of a hate crime. While the bully wrote that the victim was the definition of a faggot a few days before that doesn't make his reasons for assaulting him a hate crime. Unless the bully admits he beat the kid because he was gay or a witness comes out and says the bully, while beating the kid, said slurs against his sexuality, this will never get convicted of a hate crime.
I understand its everyone's job on the internet to decide the truth of things, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) you're opinion on what you're personal biases have you see this assault in, doesn't convict the bully of a crime that there is no evidence to back up.
Imo motives matter, it's far worse beating someone up because he is gay than it is to beat up a gay kid because he sits on your chair or whatever -.- neither is right but one is definitely worse than the other.
It's not the same, yes! It's hardly justified case (reason is stupid) but it's actually provoked violence, but how about a fat guy who is beaten becouse of just being fat? This is unprovoked violence, so is beating for beeing a "gay". And one is as wrong as another.
On October 28 2011 14:14 Half wrote: As I said, the only possible benefit is removal of the victim from the perpetrator and the can easily be addressed via less drastic means. Anything else?
My solution can remain unanswered for now, all we need to do is accept the need for an alternative one if we already agreed that the current process benefits nobody.
If we can accept x is not only inefficient but ineffective, looking for the alternative is the path to pursue, even if one doesn't obviously exist.
Do you understand the workings of a juvenile detention center? Some are awful, others are absolutely brilliant. You seem to be of the false perception that a juvenile detention center is just "kiddy jail".
So which kind do you think this kid would be going to....
I dont see whats disturbing and sickening by this episode. Its called school? People bully others that "stick" out. The smart, the ugly, the fat or the kid thats gay. Its called growing up. I dont see why this gets so much attention, just because he's gay?
On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote: I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight...
This Also is beyond ignorance to say this should be punished with anything else then a few weeks suspension tbh, this kind of shit happens in school... they are kids damn it, unless he was seriously injured or beaten to death or something like that its just a normal "school fight". The fact that some ppl think that someone being gay is reason enough to be defended from bullies more then a geek/small in size/fat..etc kids is just horrible and 20th century imo, being gay is a reason enough for some kid to fight/insult another kid... is bad but look back at your school and think of at least 1 fat/nerdy... w.e kid that got picked on for that reason, its the same here. Bullies gonna bully and its not worse in this case then in any other.
Did you actually watch the video?
The assault was fucking PLANNED and it wasn't just like he was teasing him. He hit him as hard as he could in the face with his fists, repeatedly.
"Bullies gonna bully and its not worse in this case then in any other" is pretty lol worthy in this case.
It is impressive that you can judge the force of someone hits by watching a phone camera video... It wasn't a planed assault it was most likely the bully and his friends saying : "guys, when X enters the room il hit him and you film.. lololol" which is not something unheard of, the media calls it a "planed assault against a gay" cuz that brings in the viewers... much like the 8-12 years old kids fighting in an MMA style and mostly learning how to fight in the MMA style in that fighting club that was called by BBC " Kids as young as 5 cage fighting".
Assault and battery. Doing it because he's gay makes it a felony. Doesn't matter how hard the hits were. Doesn't matter how much sensationalism there is in this, you can see the fucking video. The police not only have the man power, but they have all of the 11 minutes this case would take to solve.
Throw the kid in jail for a couple years and show him what the lifers think of gay sex.
p.s. they think it's awesome.
Again, example of punishing someone due to victim status, punish the crime for what the crime is, not who the crime was done to
It's called a hate crime.
Hate crime laws in the United States protect against hate crimes (also known as bias crimes) motivated by enmity or animus against a protected class. Although state laws vary, current statutes permit federal prosecution of hate crimes committed on the basis of a person's protected characteristics of race, religion, ethnicity, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability.
You're welcome to inspect the US Code, as well as the 50 state codes, to see the exact penalties and circumstances.
On a logical level though, how does harming a human with ill intent, be a lesser crime than the harm a human of "special status" with ill intent? or are you otherwise intending to say that these special groups are fundementally different from other "normal" humans and should be judged as such?
One way to look at it is that if you can't help punching people for not being exactly like you, you'll need more rehabilitation than the next violent person if you are to function in a society consisting of people not exactly like you. Hate crime laws exist to implement this in an environment where people like their laws literal and precisely defined.
On October 29 2011 03:41 TheRealArtemis wrote: I dont see whats disturbing and sickening by this episode. Its called school? People bully others that "stick" out. The smart, the ugly, the fat or the kid thats gay. Its called growing up. I dont see why this gets so much attention, just because he's gay?
Switch out 'gay' with black hispanic female asian whatever, and it would get the same coverage.
It's moronic to say 'just because he is gay' ... no actually, it's because when you target someone because of their race, sex, sexual orientation, religion, handicaps, it's hate crime and worse than if you target someone 'because he looked at me funny'.
Why?
Because discrimination is NOT okay, and it should be fought against. In essence, you are committing two crimes at once - being an asshole and beating someone up, and discriminating because you have a shitty worldview.
If the kid had downs syndrome, would it be okay? If it was because it was the only female in a class of males? If it was the only muslim? If it was the only atheist? Only christian? Only black? Only hispanic asian whatever minority you want?
Or is it just okay because he is gay and you don't give a shit about them?
On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote: I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight...
This Also is beyond ignorance to say this should be punished with anything else then a few weeks suspension tbh, this kind of shit happens in school... they are kids damn it, unless he was seriously injured or beaten to death or something like that its just a normal "school fight". The fact that some ppl think that someone being gay is reason enough to be defended from bullies more then a geek/small in size/fat..etc kids is just horrible and 20th century imo, being gay is a reason enough for some kid to fight/insult another kid... is bad but look back at your school and think of at least 1 fat/nerdy... w.e kid that got picked on for that reason, its the same here. Bullies gonna bully and its not worse in this case then in any other.
Did you actually watch the video?
The assault was fucking PLANNED and it wasn't just like he was teasing him. He hit him as hard as he could in the face with his fists, repeatedly.
"Bullies gonna bully and its not worse in this case then in any other" is pretty lol worthy in this case.
It is impressive that you can judge the force of someone hits by watching a phone camera video... It wasn't a planed assault it was most likely the bully and his friends saying : "guys, when X enters the room il hit him and you film.. lololol" which is not something unheard of, the media calls it a "planed assault against a gay" cuz that brings in the viewers... much like the 8-12 years old kids fighting in an MMA style and mostly learning how to fight in the MMA style in that fighting club that was called by BBC " Kids as young as 5 cage fighting".
Assault and battery. Doing it because he's gay makes it a felony. Doesn't matter how hard the hits were. Doesn't matter how much sensationalism there is in this, you can see the fucking video. The police not only have the man power, but they have all of the 11 minutes this case would take to solve.
Throw the kid in jail for a couple years and show him what the lifers think of gay sex.
p.s. they think it's awesome.
Again, example of punishing someone due to victim status, punish the crime for what the crime is, not who the crime was done to
It's called a hate crime.
Hate crime laws in the United States protect against hate crimes (also known as bias crimes) motivated by enmity or animus against a protected class. Although state laws vary, current statutes permit federal prosecution of hate crimes committed on the basis of a person's protected characteristics of race, religion, ethnicity, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability.
You're welcome to inspect the US Code, as well as the 50 state codes, to see the exact penalties and circumstances.
On a logical level though, how does harming a human with ill intent, be a lesser crime than the harm a human of "special status" with ill intent? or are you otherwise intending to say that these special groups are fundementally different from other "normal" humans and should be judged as such?
One way to look at it is that if you can't help punching people for not being exactly like you, you'll need more rehabilitation than the next violent person if you are to function in a society consisting of people not exactly like you. Hate crime laws exist to implement this in an environment where people like their laws literal and precisely defined.
But does that go to in inferering that these special humans are entitled to more protection, or rather are regular humans entitled to less protection than these humans with, special traits.
On October 29 2011 03:50 Blasterion wrote: But does that go to in inferering that these special humans are entitled to more protection, or rather are regular humans entitled to less protection than these humans with, special traits.
Everyone deserves the same protection, but the punishment for doing two shitty things at once: beating someone up AND discriminating, is worse than doing just one shitty thing (beating someone up).
Kind of like being caught and sentenced for murder, or premeditated murder. You killed someone, is either worse than the other? Well society as a whole think so ...
On October 29 2011 03:23 Velocirapture wrote: People are fixating on victim status when that is only half the picture. If a man assaults somebody it is assault. If a man assaults a gay man it is assault. If a man assaults a gay man BECAUSE he is gay then it is a hate crime. Motivation has ALWAYS been a consideration in criminal cases and this is no different. This is why we differentiate between first degree murder, second degree murder, voluntary manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter. We as a society believe that even though the same action and result could fall under any of these categories, the intent of the individual has bearing on what punishment is deserved. This same logic is used to set apart hate crimes for more severe punishment.
I don't understand your point at all. There is a moral value when you say "this type of crime is more severe than this one" ; it's completly different from an objectiv differenciation like whether this crime is intended or not.
Kind of like being caught and sentenced for murder, or premeditated murder. You killed someone, is either worse than the other? Well society as a whole think so ...
Murder and premeditated murder are different because society think that it is possible to lose yourself in a certain situation, while when you premeditate your act, it means you really used your brain and thought about it deeply. That's all.
It's completly different from saying : listen, because you hit this gay kid and not this fat one, you will be punished more.
On October 29 2011 03:41 TheRealArtemis wrote: I dont see whats disturbing and sickening by this episode. Its called school? People bully others that "stick" out. The smart, the ugly, the fat or the kid thats gay. Its called growing up. I dont see why this gets so much attention, just because he's gay?
Switch out 'gay' with black hispanic female asian whatever, and it would get the same coverage.
It's moronic to say 'just because he is gay' ... no actually, it's because when you target someone because of their race, sex, sexual orientation, religion, handicaps, it's hate crime and worse than if you target someone 'because he looked at me funny'.
Why?
Because discrimination is NOT okay, and it should be fought against. In essence, you are committing two crimes at once - being an asshole and beating someone up, and discriminating because you have a shitty worldview.
If the kid had downs syndrome, would it be okay? If it was because it was the only female in a class of males? If it was the only muslim? If it was the only atheist? Only christian? Only black? Only hispanic asian whatever minority you want?
Or is it just okay because he is gay and you don't give a shit about them?
Rather it is fundementally incorrect for humans to target other members of humanity to harm them with ill intent. And should be punishable
however
These members of humanity with special traits should not be exemptions from this, and should not be entitled to extra protection that is unavailable to other members of humanity
This behaviour is intolerable. This guy should immediately be locked away from society, he is a danger to everyone around him and he can’t control his action. He attacked without the reason of self-defence and humiliated another person. I want this person to receive mental treatment and if he cannot be helped and see the wrongs in his ways he should be locked away permanently or put to death if a long term solution is not helpful regarding his behaviour. I cannot see why society should tolerate such behaviour.
On October 29 2011 03:23 Velocirapture wrote: People are fixating on victim status when that is only half the picture. If a man assaults somebody it is assault. If a man assaults a gay man it is assault. If a man assaults a gay man BECAUSE he is gay then it is a hate crime. Motivation has ALWAYS been a consideration in criminal cases and this is no different. This is why we differentiate between first degree murder, second degree murder, voluntary manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter. We as a society believe that even though the same action and result could fall under any of these categories, the intent of the individual has bearing on what punishment is deserved. This same logic is used to set apart hate crimes for more severe punishment.
I don't understand your point at all. There is a moral value when you say "this type of crime is more severe than this one" ; it's completly different from an objectiv differenciation like whether this crime is intended or not.
So you think the entire criminal court system in the western world is completely wrong and the only thing that matters is whether or not someone was the cause of someones death?
In other words you think that if you run over someone with your car because you were distracted and he didn't look when he walked out into the road, and planning and murdering your wife for the insurance money, is completely the same case and deserving the same punishment?
On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote: I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight...
This Also is beyond ignorance to say this should be punished with anything else then a few weeks suspension tbh, this kind of shit happens in school... they are kids damn it, unless he was seriously injured or beaten to death or something like that its just a normal "school fight". The fact that some ppl think that someone being gay is reason enough to be defended from bullies more then a geek/small in size/fat..etc kids is just horrible and 20th century imo, being gay is a reason enough for some kid to fight/insult another kid... is bad but look back at your school and think of at least 1 fat/nerdy... w.e kid that got picked on for that reason, its the same here. Bullies gonna bully and its not worse in this case then in any other.
Did you actually watch the video?
The assault was fucking PLANNED and it wasn't just like he was teasing him. He hit him as hard as he could in the face with his fists, repeatedly.
"Bullies gonna bully and its not worse in this case then in any other" is pretty lol worthy in this case.
It is impressive that you can judge the force of someone hits by watching a phone camera video... It wasn't a planed assault it was most likely the bully and his friends saying : "guys, when X enters the room il hit him and you film.. lololol" which is not something unheard of, the media calls it a "planed assault against a gay" cuz that brings in the viewers... much like the 8-12 years old kids fighting in an MMA style and mostly learning how to fight in the MMA style in that fighting club that was called by BBC " Kids as young as 5 cage fighting".
Assault and battery. Doing it because he's gay makes it a felony. Doesn't matter how hard the hits were. Doesn't matter how much sensationalism there is in this, you can see the fucking video. The police not only have the man power, but they have all of the 11 minutes this case would take to solve.
Throw the kid in jail for a couple years and show him what the lifers think of gay sex.
p.s. they think it's awesome.
Again, example of punishing someone due to victim status, punish the crime for what the crime is, not who the crime was done to
It's called a hate crime.
Hate crime laws in the United States protect against hate crimes (also known as bias crimes) motivated by enmity or animus against a protected class. Although state laws vary, current statutes permit federal prosecution of hate crimes committed on the basis of a person's protected characteristics of race, religion, ethnicity, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability.
You're welcome to inspect the US Code, as well as the 50 state codes, to see the exact penalties and circumstances.
On a logical level though, how does harming a human with ill intent, be a lesser crime than the harm a human of "special status" with ill intent? or are you otherwise intending to say that these special groups are fundementally different from other "normal" humans and should be judged as such?
One way to look at it is that if you can't help punching people for not being exactly like you, you'll need more rehabilitation than the next violent person if you are to function in a society consisting of people not exactly like you. Hate crime laws exist to implement this in an environment where people like their laws literal and precisely defined.
But does that go to in inferering that these special humans are entitled to more protection, or rather are regular humans entitled to less protection than these humans with, special traits.
Looking at history, I'd say these special humans as you term them need more protection than regular humans.
On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote: I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight...
This Also is beyond ignorance to say this should be punished with anything else then a few weeks suspension tbh, this kind of shit happens in school... they are kids damn it, unless he was seriously injured or beaten to death or something like that its just a normal "school fight". The fact that some ppl think that someone being gay is reason enough to be defended from bullies more then a geek/small in size/fat..etc kids is just horrible and 20th century imo, being gay is a reason enough for some kid to fight/insult another kid... is bad but look back at your school and think of at least 1 fat/nerdy... w.e kid that got picked on for that reason, its the same here. Bullies gonna bully and its not worse in this case then in any other.
Did you actually watch the video?
The assault was fucking PLANNED and it wasn't just like he was teasing him. He hit him as hard as he could in the face with his fists, repeatedly.
"Bullies gonna bully and its not worse in this case then in any other" is pretty lol worthy in this case.
It is impressive that you can judge the force of someone hits by watching a phone camera video... It wasn't a planed assault it was most likely the bully and his friends saying : "guys, when X enters the room il hit him and you film.. lololol" which is not something unheard of, the media calls it a "planed assault against a gay" cuz that brings in the viewers... much like the 8-12 years old kids fighting in an MMA style and mostly learning how to fight in the MMA style in that fighting club that was called by BBC " Kids as young as 5 cage fighting".
Assault and battery. Doing it because he's gay makes it a felony. Doesn't matter how hard the hits were. Doesn't matter how much sensationalism there is in this, you can see the fucking video. The police not only have the man power, but they have all of the 11 minutes this case would take to solve.
Throw the kid in jail for a couple years and show him what the lifers think of gay sex.
p.s. they think it's awesome.
Again, example of punishing someone due to victim status, punish the crime for what the crime is, not who the crime was done to
It's called a hate crime.
Hate crime laws in the United States protect against hate crimes (also known as bias crimes) motivated by enmity or animus against a protected class. Although state laws vary, current statutes permit federal prosecution of hate crimes committed on the basis of a person's protected characteristics of race, religion, ethnicity, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability.
You're welcome to inspect the US Code, as well as the 50 state codes, to see the exact penalties and circumstances.
On a logical level though, how does harming a human with ill intent, be a lesser crime than the harm a human of "special status" with ill intent? or are you otherwise intending to say that these special groups are fundementally different from other "normal" humans and should be judged as such?
One way to look at it is that if you can't help punching people for not being exactly like you, you'll need more rehabilitation than the next violent person if you are to function in a society consisting of people not exactly like you. Hate crime laws exist to implement this in an environment where people like their laws literal and precisely defined.
But does that go to in inferering that these special humans are entitled to more protection, or rather are regular humans entitled to less protection than these humans with, special traits.
What the fuck did you even type. Humans with special traits? We're trying to be a civilized society here. Of course we protect the weak from the strong. We always do that. Do we tolerate people hitting women because they are physically weaker? No, we don't. Minimizing violence in society is always about protecting the weak from the strong.
On October 29 2011 03:41 TheRealArtemis wrote: I dont see whats disturbing and sickening by this episode. Its called school? People bully others that "stick" out. The smart, the ugly, the fat or the kid thats gay. Its called growing up. I dont see why this gets so much attention, just because he's gay?
Switch out 'gay' with black hispanic female asian whatever, and it would get the same coverage.
It's moronic to say 'just because he is gay' ... no actually, it's because when you target someone because of their race, sex, sexual orientation, religion, handicaps, it's hate crime and worse than if you target someone 'because he looked at me funny'.
Why?
Because discrimination is NOT okay, and it should be fought against. In essence, you are committing two crimes at once - being an asshole and beating someone up, and discriminating because you have a shitty worldview.
If the kid had downs syndrome, would it be okay? If it was because it was the only female in a class of males? If it was the only muslim? If it was the only atheist? Only christian? Only black? Only hispanic asian whatever minority you want?
Or is it just okay because he is gay and you don't give a shit about them?
Rather it is fundementally incorrect for humans to target other members of humanity to harm them with ill intent. And should be punishable
however
These members of humanity with special traits should not be exemptions from this, and should not be entitled to extra protection that is unavailable to other members of humanity
It is not extra protection.
It is extra punishment for the offender. Because of his motivation. Kind of like if you beat someone up because he came up to you and started calling you a ton of shit and you beat him up, you don't get the same punishment as if you are the one going up to someone and beating them up 'because you felt like doing it'.
On October 29 2011 03:50 aebriol wrote: It's moronic to say 'just because he is gay' ... no actually, it's because when you target someone because of their race, sex, sexual orientation, religion, handicaps, it's hate crime and worse than if you target someone 'because he looked at me funny'.
Why?
Because discrimination is NOT okay, and it should be fought against. In essence, you are committing two crimes at once - being an asshole and beating someone up, and discriminating because you have a shitty worldview.
Oh, beating someone who looked funny is OKAY...yeah, now you silenced us for good XD
Besides being asshole and retarded worldview is not a crime. You can believe that "polacks", "frogeaters", "japs" or "krauts" are stupid, ugly, bad-smelling...all you want, as long as its not "turn into actions". So he commits 1 crime - unprovoked violence.
On October 29 2011 02:27 Aterons_toss wrote: [quote] This Also is beyond ignorance to say this should be punished with anything else then a few weeks suspension tbh, this kind of shit happens in school... they are kids damn it, unless he was seriously injured or beaten to death or something like that its just a normal "school fight". The fact that some ppl think that someone being gay is reason enough to be defended from bullies more then a geek/small in size/fat..etc kids is just horrible and 20th century imo, being gay is a reason enough for some kid to fight/insult another kid... is bad but look back at your school and think of at least 1 fat/nerdy... w.e kid that got picked on for that reason, its the same here. Bullies gonna bully and its not worse in this case then in any other.
Did you actually watch the video?
The assault was fucking PLANNED and it wasn't just like he was teasing him. He hit him as hard as he could in the face with his fists, repeatedly.
"Bullies gonna bully and its not worse in this case then in any other" is pretty lol worthy in this case.
It is impressive that you can judge the force of someone hits by watching a phone camera video... It wasn't a planed assault it was most likely the bully and his friends saying : "guys, when X enters the room il hit him and you film.. lololol" which is not something unheard of, the media calls it a "planed assault against a gay" cuz that brings in the viewers... much like the 8-12 years old kids fighting in an MMA style and mostly learning how to fight in the MMA style in that fighting club that was called by BBC " Kids as young as 5 cage fighting".
Assault and battery. Doing it because he's gay makes it a felony. Doesn't matter how hard the hits were. Doesn't matter how much sensationalism there is in this, you can see the fucking video. The police not only have the man power, but they have all of the 11 minutes this case would take to solve.
Throw the kid in jail for a couple years and show him what the lifers think of gay sex.
p.s. they think it's awesome.
Again, example of punishing someone due to victim status, punish the crime for what the crime is, not who the crime was done to
It's called a hate crime.
Hate crime laws in the United States protect against hate crimes (also known as bias crimes) motivated by enmity or animus against a protected class. Although state laws vary, current statutes permit federal prosecution of hate crimes committed on the basis of a person's protected characteristics of race, religion, ethnicity, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability.
You're welcome to inspect the US Code, as well as the 50 state codes, to see the exact penalties and circumstances.
On a logical level though, how does harming a human with ill intent, be a lesser crime than the harm a human of "special status" with ill intent? or are you otherwise intending to say that these special groups are fundementally different from other "normal" humans and should be judged as such?
One way to look at it is that if you can't help punching people for not being exactly like you, you'll need more rehabilitation than the next violent person if you are to function in a society consisting of people not exactly like you. Hate crime laws exist to implement this in an environment where people like their laws literal and precisely defined.
But does that go to in inferering that these special humans are entitled to more protection, or rather are regular humans entitled to less protection than these humans with, special traits.
What the fuck did you even type. Humans with special traits? We're trying to be a civilized society here. Of course we protect the weak from the strong. We always do that. Do we tolerate people hitting women because they are physically weaker? No, we don't. Minimizing violence in society is always about protecting the weak from the strong.
you would no tolerate people hitting other people at all, why would the traits of the victims even come into play?
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