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SpeaKEaSY
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1070 Posts
October 12 2011 10:05 GMT
#21
Wow, that blows ass. I'm not in the market for a CPU, but I really feel bad for the AMD faithful who held out for this (I know I would have).
Aim for perfection, settle for mediocrity - KawaiiRice 2014
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
October 12 2011 10:05 GMT
#22
What a joke. Should have picked up 2500k when they were on sale @ Microcenter last week for ~$150

Feels like AMD's R&D did absolutely nothing for 2 years.
They could have just as well released X6 on 32nm and gotten the same performance "benefits".
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 10:14:29
October 12 2011 10:08 GMT
#23
I think it was known since May that AMD had some big problems with single threaded performance and overall those procs seems to be a failure for the deskstop market since video games are coded like shit and can't really use more than two cores for the most part. SB is just a way better architecture here.
They are probably still interesting for AMD fanboys who don't play games and only use their comps for video encoding and stuff like that but it is a niche already covered by the Thuban.
Bulldozer looks like AMD PIV, more cores, higher freqs but no real increase in performance except for some multithreaded apps.

Don't really know what to say, maybe it have more success on the server market but again Intel is already so strong here and their procs just have better TDP. It seems that we will have to wait for the next gen ( will be an APU ).


edit: also they are fucking dumb to call that proc FX.

On October 12 2011 18:46 nalgene wrote:
There were already a bunch of leaked benchmarks before the nda lift.. and it wasn't like all of them would end up conspiring against amd. Just that the oct 12+ benchmarks only confirmed them...
anything beyond 2005 seemed like it all went down hill for amd

Tons of fakes too ;D

Ph II and Athlons II ( especially x3 ) pre SB were kinda cool if you wanted value.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3823 Posts
October 12 2011 10:11 GMT
#24
lol... Wow...

What in the hell were they doing all that time? Really sad: I've bought AMD chips in the past, but not recently... this doesn't help by any means.
Phaded
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia579 Posts
October 12 2011 10:16 GMT
#25
[image loading]

Relevant image for this board, given many people will eventually be asking, "is this a good cpu for SC2?", to which we can say nope


It's insane the amount of power draw that this chip has.

No doubt some inexperienced folks are gonna try and build this in with a cheap 500W PSU then experience some serious stability issues under load
I am down but I am far from over
PepperoniPiZZa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sierra Leone1660 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 10:30:31
October 12 2011 10:23 GMT
#26
Is it possible that there are compatibility issues that need to be patched with firmware updates? I feel pretty bad for them since they've supported IPL 3
Quote?
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
October 12 2011 10:28 GMT
#27
The sad thing is that 32nm Phe II would be better overall.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
October 12 2011 10:29 GMT
#28
On October 12 2011 19:23 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:
Is it possible that there are compatibility that need to be patched with firmware updates? I feel pretty bad for them since they've supported IPL 3
Well at least they have competitive video cards.
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
October 12 2011 10:30 GMT
#29
Well it seems to me that the transition to 32nm hasn't been as smooth as they hoped for.
Anyway there is still a speck of light in there for us budget computer builders. I think if they can work on the power consumption while getting 10%-15% increase every year it's going to be OK.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
Bodom
Profile Joined May 2011
United States17 Posts
October 12 2011 10:30 GMT
#30
On October 12 2011 19:23 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:
Is it possible that there are compatibility that need to be patched with firmware updates? I feel pretty bad for them since they've supported IPL 3


There's some fixing that can be done through a bios update with cache thrashing and Windows 7 isn't optimized for BD's module. Preliminary testing on fixes for the cache thrashing don't bring a lot more performance and tests with windows 8 dev preview with better ability to align threads brought less than 1% increase in performance.

Other than that it seems most likely to be a problem with GLoFO and their yields.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
October 12 2011 10:31 GMT
#31
[image loading]
From:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=137554&currentpage=646

Thirsty thirsty.

DarQraven
Profile Joined January 2010
Netherlands553 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 10:32:58
October 12 2011 10:32 GMT
#32
Meh. They'll get over it, probably sell quite a lot of these over a few years to non-suspecting customers (NEVER underestimate how many completely clueless people buy ready-built PC's without knowing what's in them). Just a question of marketing them right - and hoping Intel doesn't pull some shit again to get AMD locked out of that market. Although I doubt Intel feels threatened by AMD enough to go to those lengths.

Better luck next time, AMD!
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
October 12 2011 10:32 GMT
#33
GET 8 CORES IN YOUR SYSTEM!!!!111
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
October 12 2011 10:41 GMT
#34
wow, this is quite the epic failure. i've always used AMD chips but fortunately i don't need to replace my boxen for quite some time
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
October 12 2011 10:44 GMT
#35
On October 12 2011 19:30 Bodom wrote:

Other than that it seems most likely to be a problem with GLoFO and their yields.


I don't think so. Clock speeds are quite high already (4.2GHz Turbo).

The problem is that AMD has between 1/10 and 1/8 of the R&D funding and employees of Intel. No one should expect them to be competitive any more.


rajssten
Profile Joined July 2010
Ethiopia34 Posts
October 12 2011 10:52 GMT
#36
ehh so disappointed...what should I be upgrading to nowadays? I always had AMD cpu before, I'm big fan of this company and its policy...

I guess I will be stickin with SouthBridge for next 2-3 years then :|
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
October 12 2011 10:57 GMT
#37
feeling like my money on a i7 2600k was well spent :p
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
Bodom
Profile Joined May 2011
United States17 Posts
October 12 2011 11:02 GMT
#38
On October 12 2011 19:44 Soleron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 19:30 Bodom wrote:

Other than that it seems most likely to be a problem with GLoFO and their yields.


I don't think so. Clock speeds are quite high already (4.2GHz Turbo).

The problem is that AMD has between 1/10 and 1/8 of the R&D funding and employees of Intel. No one should expect them to be competitive any more.



On paper the BD module design isn't bad. Yes, single thread performance is going to be worse, that was a conscious design decision, but it shouldn't be as horrible as it is right now. That, along with the massive power usage overclocking brings, could very well be explained by GLoFo's poor yields. We already know they were having issues with Llano.
All we can do is wait and see if better manufacturing techniques bring better yields with FX8170 in Q1, but I'm not holding my breath.
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
October 12 2011 11:12 GMT
#39
On October 12 2011 20:02 Bodom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 19:44 Soleron wrote:
On October 12 2011 19:30 Bodom wrote:

Other than that it seems most likely to be a problem with GLoFO and their yields.


I don't think so. Clock speeds are quite high already (4.2GHz Turbo).

The problem is that AMD has between 1/10 and 1/8 of the R&D funding and employees of Intel. No one should expect them to be competitive any more.



On paper the BD module design isn't bad. Yes, single thread performance is going to be worse, that was a conscious design decision, but it shouldn't be as horrible as it is right now. That, along with the massive power usage overclocking brings, could very well be explained by GLoFo's poor yields. We already know they were having issues with Llano.
All we can do is wait and see if better manufacturing techniques bring better yields with FX8170 in Q1, but I'm not holding my breath.


To be fair though, who are they really trying to target by having chips with more cores and less single thread performance?

Gamers and standard users both really need the single thread performance.

The multi-thread performance is good for like servers and video rendering, etc, but why would you cater your entire lineup towards that?

Or are they just aiming towards the future?
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 12 2011 11:23 GMT
#40
Was hoping it would be at least competitive enough to drive down Sandy Bridge prices, but if anything Intel will probably increase them.
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