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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 14 2011 02:41 GMT
#321
How is the poor single thread performance because of scheduling issues? It's not hard to figure out where to schedule 1 thread (hint: any core will do).

It's probably some games or other workloads where resource sharing could be beneficial, where BD module-aware scheduling will help out. Also, smarter scheduling for some tasks may involve grouping tasks on the same modules so the remaining modules can be parked, allowing for higher Turbo Core frequency boosts.
PunkyBrewster
Profile Joined October 2011
22 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 02:44:32
October 14 2011 02:42 GMT
#322
Where in my post did I say that it was worth the purchase? If you don't think that scheduling issues are the problem then why have tests shown a difference in speed of 30% in Cores 1&3 compared to 2&4? Get past your Intel-Fanboyism, this processor has some INSANE potential.. Or have you forgotten that Intel based their Dual Core Designs off the Athlon64? It seems very unlikely that a company would go BACKWARDS, especially a company that has been help driving the processor market for quite a while.

All these reviews use DDR3-1600 when the Bulldozer's NATIVE RAM is DDR3-1866(and yes I know the difference is minuscule most of the time), that would make quite a difference on quite a few of those benchmarks.


EDIT: I agree that it's probably a flaw in the architectural design of the processor, AMD hasn't been known for great single-threaded performance.. But it's a very likely scenario that Bulldozer's issue does lie with scheduling.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
October 14 2011 02:43 GMT
#323
On October 14 2011 11:41 Myrmidon wrote:
How is the poor single thread performance because of scheduling issues? It's not hard to figure out where to schedule 1 thread (hint: any core will do).

It's probably some games or other workloads where resource sharing could be beneficial, where BD module-aware scheduling will help out. Also, smarter scheduling for some tasks may involve grouping tasks on the same modules so the remaining modules can be parked, allowing for higher Turbo Core frequency boosts.


Hey, none of those fancy technical details, we're talking about computers, powered by the same devilry as Tarot cards, Astrology, and Ouija boards!

And TL is famous enough to pop near the top of the Google results, so they sent their advertisers here to make up for the bad hype.
ilovelings
Profile Joined January 2011
Argentina776 Posts
October 14 2011 02:44 GMT
#324
The interwebz is going crazy with this. It's not even funny anymore.

bull shit dozer.
People is diying.
PunkyBrewster
Profile Joined October 2011
22 Posts
October 14 2011 03:01 GMT
#325
I shouldn't expect logical arguments from people on a gaming website. I thought people posting in this forum would act a bit more rational. ... But talking about technical problems with people that are fans of a company because their favorite team is sponsored by them is what I should have expected. Why would you want Bulldozer to fail? Competition is what drives the market. It wasn't so long ago that AMD was king, or have all you fanboys forgotten about the P4?

Intel may own desktop processors, but AMD still has the majority of the server market. I'm not claiming that Bulldozer lived up to its hype, but i'm not going to make my judgment on the first few days of release. The design still has quite a bit of potential.
FinBenton
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland870 Posts
October 14 2011 03:07 GMT
#326
What? Amd has 10% share in servers while intel at 90%...

You want some logic? The all new bulldozer is crap and consumes wayyyyyyyy too much power.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 03:11:37
October 14 2011 03:08 GMT
#327
AMD doesn't own the majority of server marketshare, where the hell do you get this information from? Lol.
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
October 14 2011 03:14 GMT
#328
Their shares recently closed at 4.90 USD.

and don't they only have like 7% ( rounded up from 6.5% ) of the market share...
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
October 14 2011 03:16 GMT
#329
On October 14 2011 12:01 PunkyBrewster wrote:
I shouldn't expect logical arguments from people on a gaming website. I thought people posting in this forum would act a bit more rational. ... But talking about technical problems with people that are fans of a company because their favorite team is sponsored by them is what I should have expected. Why would you want Bulldozer to fail? Competition is what drives the market. It wasn't so long ago that AMD was king, or have all you fanboys forgotten about the P4?

Intel may own desktop processors, but AMD still has the majority of the server market. I'm not claiming that Bulldozer lived up to its hype, but i'm not going to make my judgment on the first few days of release. The design still has quite a bit of potential.


This is the most moronic excuse for a "logical" argument I've heard on behalf of AMD yet. Just a few days ago I was repeatedly subjected to your horrendous hype over and over again watching IPL, just like everyone else here. AMD sponsors a ton of Starcraft related events, and if we went based on sponsorship, A: we'd all be broke with shitty PCs, and B, we'd all use AMD.
r4pture
Profile Joined May 2011
United States397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 03:19:14
October 14 2011 03:18 GMT
#330
It looks like this bulldozer couldn't handle pushing the sand...

...off the bridge.



To add some content, I'm really really disappointed in this. I really want to like AMD, but with the problems I'm having with their video drivers and releasing a CPU that, in some test, is worse then its previous...sigh. No one wins.

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Miss_Cleo
Profile Joined March 2010
United States406 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 03:22:20
October 14 2011 03:22 GMT
#331
On October 14 2011 12:18 r4pture wrote:
It looks like this bulldozer couldn't handle pushing the sand...

...off the bridge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YMPAH67f4o

To add some content, I'm really really disappointed in this. I really want to like AMD, but with the problems I'm having with their video drivers and releasing a CPU that, in some test, is worse then its previous...sigh. No one wins.


i think intel does in this situation
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
October 14 2011 03:28 GMT
#332
On October 14 2011 12:01 PunkyBrewster wrote:
I shouldn't expect logical arguments from people on a gaming website. I thought people posting in this forum would act a bit more rational. ... But talking about technical problems with people that are fans of a company because their favorite team is sponsored by them is what I should have expected. Why would you want Bulldozer to fail? Competition is what drives the market. It wasn't so long ago that AMD was king, or have all you fanboys forgotten about the P4?

Intel may own desktop processors, but AMD still has the majority of the server market. I'm not claiming that Bulldozer lived up to its hype, but i'm not going to make my judgment on the first few days of release. The design still has quite a bit of potential.


... The only market AMD has the majority of is the bargain bin desktops. Everywhere else AMD either eats up too much power or doesn't offer the same robustness as Intel.

Don't get me wrong. I want AMD to do well in all markets, but not by ignoring their weaknesses compared to Intel. You said yourself that Intel based their duel-core designs off of the Athlon64 (a claim I don't feel like validating right now), which shows they were willing to address the shortfalls of their design philosophy. AMD continues to believe they don't have memory architecture (and philosophy) problems and continue to push their processors to their power boundaries. I don't have respect for that approach.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
October 14 2011 03:31 GMT
#333
Oh, and I like how he says 8150 "completely obliterated 2600k in x264 encoding...
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 03:35:02
October 14 2011 03:34 GMT
#334
As bad as AMD is doing in the desktop business they are actually getting eaten up even worse in the server market. I have no idea where that guy got his information from.

I haven't dabbled in it personally, but Im pretty sure the intel Xeon Westmere Hexacores are imba imba.
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Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
October 14 2011 03:39 GMT
#335
Well... IMO AMD's laptop solutions are really great.

The APU system, where you get like a 2.4ghz 4 core and a videocard for the same price as an i3 + intergrated graphics...owns
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
October 14 2011 03:41 GMT
#336
On October 14 2011 12:39 Twistacles wrote:
Well... IMO AMD's laptop solutions are really great.

The APU system, where you get like a 2.4ghz 4 core and a videocard for the same price as an i3 + intergrated graphics...owns


Notebook Llano is relevant to FX underperforming how, exactly?
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 14 2011 03:43 GMT
#337
It isn't. But it's always nice to look at the brighter side of competition.

Do we really get forum infiltrators in TL? I know some companies do this but you can see post count so easily here.
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
October 14 2011 03:45 GMT
#338
He signed up today to start posting in this thread, and hasn't gotten nuked for being an alt account.

He rabidly defends a bad product, has excellent spelling and grammar, and sounds like a bad late night TV infomercial.

Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5913 Posts
October 14 2011 04:16 GMT
#339
On October 14 2011 12:31 JingleHell wrote:
Oh, and I like how he says 8150 "completely obliterated 2600k in x264 encoding...


Why are you using the quick benchmark tool which can't account for system settings and versioning when you can instead quote Anand's own head to head...?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested/7
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nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
October 14 2011 04:20 GMT
#340
That last one would've still been the 2600k if only they bumped the multiplier by 2x to match it in frequency and it'd still use significantly less power
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