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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

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Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
March 15 2016 19:02 GMT
#16221
Marriage is still highly regarded in china, and you probably shouldn't even go exclusive with a girl you know you wont marry and be very upfront about it. thats the issue that led my ex of 4Years to cheat in very elaborate ways, she was doing simmilar stuff to your chick.
You need to be the stable calm rock in your relationship who uses complete honesty and forces these conversations. And in my case wed simply breakup on friendly terms or be in an open relationship and thered be no cheating in the first place.
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-15 19:06:58
March 15 2016 19:06 GMT
#16222
For guys not realizing this, you can be a female millionaire that built her own empire but if youre after 28 and not married in china people will look at you through their fingers and youll have yo keep justifying it...
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
March 15 2016 20:52 GMT
#16223
Chinese culture is fundamentally different from western. Yes they do the same or similar things like us (like getting married), but it rarely means or works the same as im western culture.

CptMarvel, I think you should be the bigger person and break it off with her. She'll be back on her feet in no-time. Yes she messed up with you but now you are just using her. Nothing good to say for that.
CptMarvel
Profile Joined May 2014
France236 Posts
March 16 2016 01:35 GMT
#16224
Another major motive I feel protective of her is, and I know I should have mentioned it before (wanted unbiased opinions first), she was abused by her douche of a father on a couple of instances and have had older guys _ especially in the modeling world she can't stop getting involved in _ consider her an object (other abuses involved, sexual harassment which I'll skip the details of) for a while.
She's messed up indeed but I'm having trouble putting the blame on her. Chinese society can be tricky to cope with when you're a woman with the right genes.
waffelz
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Germany711 Posts
March 16 2016 10:12 GMT
#16225
On March 16 2016 10:35 CptMarvel wrote:
Another major motive I feel protective of her is, and I know I should have mentioned it before (wanted unbiased opinions first), she was abused by her douche of a father on a couple of instances and have had older guys _ especially in the modeling world she can't stop getting involved in _ consider her an object (other abuses involved, sexual harassment which I'll skip the details of) for a while.
She's messed up indeed but I'm having trouble putting the blame on her. Chinese society can be tricky to cope with when you're a woman with the right genes.


If you really want to help/protect her you have to guide her into a direction where she learns to solve her problems. Not sure how mental health is treated in china though and I also have no idea of chinese society in general, besides that occacionally they are very strange.
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B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
March 16 2016 10:30 GMT
#16226
You say you feel you need to protect her. How? Will you marry her? Let her live with you forever? Do you know how to undo the damage done to her by others in the past? China is a predetorial society where the strong abuse the weak, and if you don't take care of yourself noone will. If you are not planning to stay with her and care for her for the rest of her life you better not get mixed up in any of this. And besides, it's not about assigning blame. It's about accepting it's not working between you two and not dragging it out unnecessarily long.

That doesn't mean you can't help her at all though. You can maybe help her improve her english or help her get a job for example. In general though people like her often have to follow a completely different set of rules in order to get ahead in life.
CptMarvel
Profile Joined May 2014
France236 Posts
March 16 2016 10:49 GMT
#16227
On March 16 2016 19:30 B.I.G. wrote:
You say you feel you need to protect her. How? Will you marry her? Let her live with you forever? Do you know how to undo the damage done to her by others in the past? China is a predetorial society where the strong abuse the weak, and if you don't take care of yourself noone will. If you are not planning to stay with her and care for her for the rest of her life you better not get mixed up in any of this. And besides, it's not about assigning blame. It's about accepting it's not working between you two and not dragging it out unnecessarily long.

That doesn't mean you can't help her at all though. You can maybe help her improve her english or help her get a job for example. In general though people like her often have to follow a completely different set of rules in order to get ahead in life.


Yea, true
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-16 11:11:16
March 16 2016 11:10 GMT
#16228
This is our town, scrub
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
March 16 2016 14:42 GMT
#16229
CptMarvel, be with someone who wants you, not someone who needs you.
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
March 16 2016 22:22 GMT
#16230
On March 15 2016 17:31 CptMarvel wrote:
Alright so I'm here to share a story complicated enough for me to omit, on purpose, a lot of details. More of a self-reflective article than an actual dating question.
I've been in China, as a foreign language teacher, for almost two years now. I consider myself an okay+ looking guy, the cute sweet-talking type that only occasionally works in the western world (where girls are way more drawn to a virility I've always lacked on) but is, when you factor exotism in the equation, super successful here.
I've spent the first year messing around, getting as many chicks as I could with relative ease before growing fed up with it. Second year I figured I'd try to actually date a Chinese and go for an intercultural relationship. I passed on a couple of opportunities with girls I didn't consider worth a try (not fun enough, too traditional) before meeting, by sheer coincidence, my current "girlfriend" _ she's from one of the western minorities (meaning she looks half-blood) and is a rocket physically, cute beyond compare, part-time model, true 9/10, a girl I would just be the "fun friend" of in Europe. She's also much easier-going than her peers and doesn't mind settling for a western lifestyle. Better yet, she came on to me and hence took much of the pressure I felt away in the first dates. Anyway, it seemed like the perfect deal and I went for it head first without giving it much second thoughts.
It's been roughly four months and she's been living with me for most of it _ I realize this is a mistake to go that far that fast with any bird but we get along so well the cohabitation has really never been an issue.
Thing is, as western as she's willing to go, she's still Chinese and, as a consequence, EXTREMELY immature (note that don't mean to discriminate, I'm stating a fact, it's a societal thing).
I went back to France for a month to spend christmas with family. I'm not much for long-distance relationships and don't know how to take care of a girl from half the world away so we naturally ended up talking a lot less during that time, which pushed her to go on dates with some chinese guys (dozens queue up and wait for their turn), one of which she ended up liking a lot (led to some kissing). She told me the day before I took my plane back and I, though a little upset, didn't mind that much. First two days back in China she kept talking to that guy through the phone and telling me he was taking care of her better than I do (understand : his wallet is a lot bigger than mine), I quickly grew tired of how disrespectful she was being so I broke up with her. She cried for an hour and asked me not to. That's when I start being too kind-hearted _ I let her have a side relationship with that dude WHILE living with me as friends with benefits until she figured out what she wanted. Chinese guy quickly found out she was still living with me (she lied to him on monumental scales), told her to move out, she refused, he got rid of her.
Now I know what y'all think : that girl is a twisted little spoiled brat who wants her cake and eat it, kick her out of your place and move on. I would, I really would, but I'm 26 and I know it's the last time I'll enjoy dating such a drama queen. I'm never bored with her, she's like the cheesy soaps you feel guilty watching. She's so moody and intense about the littlest things it's almost poetic. Everything is a tragedy, she goes from tears to laughs every ten minutes when she's in shape. A true fucking champion. I see her as a 5 years old child in a woman's body (common syndrom here) and feel very protective of her. She's emotionally retarded (not her fault, being an only child and everyone's sweetheart doesn't help) and has a lot of feeling issues. I have, over time, stopped being a boyfriend and am now more of a big brother, a father and a shrink all at once _ a status I'm enjoying a lot more than I should.
I know she needs me more than I need her and that if I cut the bridges she'll get deeply hurt. So here I stand, wondering what decision to make and changing my mind ten times a day on whether I should, or not, keep her. She's as fun to hang out with as she's unstandable when she goes on her inevitable nervous breakdowns and I know I won't have the stamina to carry on much longer.
I want to end this on a good note but I don't think it can be done.

The longer you wait, the more you're missing out on opportunities to be with someone who isn't crazy. You're probably better served by cutting your losses NOW and moving on, I mean this girl respects you so little that she wanted to have a side relationship with someone while in a relationship with you, that should be all it takes to see how she truly sees you
bloodwhore~
Profile Joined September 2014
1010 Posts
March 18 2016 22:34 GMT
#16231
Got on a date tomorrow. We're going to a place called "the phenonomen magazine", sort of like a museum type thing but you can interact with the sciency stuff there.
"Allahu akbar" - Techies.
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
March 19 2016 08:10 GMT
#16232
So to continue from last time which was like a month ago in this thread, the guy I am seeing with the fiance seems to have lost interest in me. He is talking to me less and he does not seem to want to sleep with me, preferring his girl more. I knew this is how things were going to end ultimately, but I still feel pretty sad.
In the mean time, I have been moving on and have been talking to this one guy I met at a host club(?) event I do. I was super surprised and happy to learn that he is not straight as I expected and he likes games but whenever I talk to him via text, it feels like I have to keep the conversation alive. How do I deal with situations like this or am I best with accepting that maybe we do not have as much in common as we hoped?
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8915 Posts
March 19 2016 09:17 GMT
#16233
wait..are you gay?
or are you a girl who just met a gay guy
confused as fuck cause the first guy you mentioned has a girl but you apparently slept with him already. so if youre a dude that would make that guy bi?
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
March 19 2016 09:38 GMT
#16234
The guy turned out to be bi but I was pleasantly surprised to learn he's not straight cause he certainly did not give off any signs.
And I swing both ways.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
March 19 2016 13:53 GMT
#16235
On March 19 2016 18:38 Shiragaku wrote:
The guy turned out to be bi but I was pleasantly surprised to learn he's not straight cause he certainly did not give off any signs.
And I swing both ways.


Bi people have always seem the hardest to uderstand to me, given how different man//woman are (Liking either man or woman seems more understandable)

Do you like "manly" girls and "girly" boys or just average guy/girls?
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
March 19 2016 13:57 GMT
#16236
You're trans right?
And you are making a pretty big mistake here, whatever the sex is there's no point in trying to "keep the conversation alive" over texts. Main purpose should always always be to set up real in person dates where you can build mutual attraction.
I think it's a good rule to have to never have actually consequential conversations over the phone and keep it strictly for setting up logistics, and optionally for giving the other person value without expecting anything back
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
March 19 2016 14:07 GMT
#16237
On March 19 2016 22:57 LemOn wrote:
You're trans right?
And you are making a pretty big mistake here, whatever the sex is there's no point in trying to "keep the conversation alive" over texts. Main purpose should always always be to set up real in person dates where you can build mutual attraction.
I think it's a good rule to have to never have actually consequential conversations over the phone and keep it strictly for setting up logistics, and optionally for giving the other person value without expecting anything back


I would write this as a sticky note and post it on the door frame.

I've basically lost 2 relationships over whatsapp texting fights; when people can't see their faces they "say" way harsher things than they would actually do; Also, meaning on words is lost and you can't really connect with the other person to make amends. I hope to never make the same mistake again .
waffelz
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Germany711 Posts
March 19 2016 14:58 GMT
#16238
On March 19 2016 23:07 GoTuNk! wrote:
I would write this as a sticky note and post it on the door frame.

I've basically lost 2 relationships over whatsapp texting fights; when people can't see their faces they "say" way harsher things than they would actually do; Also, meaning on words is lost and you can't really connect with the other person to make amends. I hope to never make the same mistake again .


And text is always open for interpretation, even if it’s just by choosing the voice in which you read it in your head. A lot of people tend to project their fears and their anger into these conversations which cause them to (unconsciously) bend things to confirm their bias.

Never ever fight over text unless both are overconscious persons. Conversations from best tot worst: in person > calling with some sort of video chat > just calling > texting.
RIP "The big travis CS degree thread", taken from us too soon | Honourable forum princess, defended by Rebs-approved white knights
puerk
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany855 Posts
March 19 2016 15:06 GMT
#16239
Well that is not necessarily true... my girlfriend and me had some very difficult issues going from an open arrangement to a closed one, and i think it helped a lot that she started the reconciliation and gave a long hand written letter to explain in full without interruption her feelings and proposal to go forward.
waffelz
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Germany711 Posts
March 19 2016 15:16 GMT
#16240
On March 20 2016 00:06 puerk wrote:
Well that is not necessarily true... my girlfriend and me had some very difficult issues going from an open arrangement to a closed one, and i think it helped a lot that she started the reconciliation and gave a long hand written letter to explain in full without interruption her feelings and proposal to go forward.


Of course there are always exceptions. And a handwritten letter also has the benefit of often being considered as a romantic/meaningful gesture, especially in times of whatsapp/facebook.
RIP "The big travis CS degree thread", taken from us too soon | Honourable forum princess, defended by Rebs-approved white knights
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