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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

Posts of the following nature are banned:
1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post.
2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no.
3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture.
4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments.

Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating.
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
September 25 2015 18:07 GMT
#14001
Let's turn this situation around. Here is what I would think if a girl I have dated for 4 months would act the same way you are acting:

-Talk about future after just 4 months? Back off and chill the fuck out.
-The sooner and more often a person says I love you to me the more meaningless it becomes.

Then again I might be an emotionally very unhealthy person and not realize it yet..
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
September 25 2015 20:10 GMT
#14002
On September 26 2015 03:07 B.I.G. wrote:
Let's turn this situation around. Here is what I would think if a girl I have dated for 4 months would act the same way you are acting:

-Talk about future after just 4 months? Back off and chill the fuck out.
-The sooner and more often a person says I love you to me the more meaningless it becomes.

Then again I might be an emotionally very unhealthy person and not realize it yet..

I think this is a good attitude to have. Take your time. It takes long to get to know someone, and even longer until real love develops. 4 months seems quick to be worrying about this kind of stuff.
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
September 25 2015 20:30 GMT
#14003
On September 26 2015 03:00 LemOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2015 16:24 Mikau wrote:
I've been with my girlfriend almost 4 months now. She's my first girlfriend, first sexual encounter, first kiss. Seeing as this was and is all new to me, in my naiveté I asked her about saying 'I love you' on holiday last month. I knew I had strong feelings for her, but (cliché), I didn't know what 'loving somebody' in that sense meant. Ofcourse I love my close family, but other than that I don't think I have anybody I would describe as more than 'I'm very fond of you'.

So I told her this, and she told me that she sees saying 'I love you' to a romantic partner as more of a 'I'll love you forever' thing. There have been things in her past that make her a bit cynical towards the concept of love and trusting sombody completely like that, and I fully understand. She has no problem saying it to her friends, but I guess that's very different from feeling it for your SO.

Now, in the last month, things have changed. My feelings for her are getting stronger and stronger, and where I didn't know what 'I love you' felt like before, during our last two perfect days together I had the urge to say it. Her actions indicate that her feelings are getting stronger as well and that some of her walls are starting to crumble, but I very much doubt she'd say it back if I did tell her.

So now the question becomes, do I censor myself because I know she'll likely won't say it back and it'll make it awkward for the both of us? I honestly don't know if I'll be able to deal with her not saying it back (I have a history with insecurity, and while it's mostly gone it has still manifested itself sometimes in this new part of my life). At the same time, it puts pressure on her that I'm not sure I want to put on her. She has commitment-phobia to some degree. On the other hand, I should be able to say something I feel, right? I kind of fear saying it will change (potentially for the worse) what we have right now, because it has felt perfect the last weeks.

As a bit of extra background. We're both 26, she had had multiple LTR and was even engaged a few times. She moved to my country from a very strict orthodox country, and she was basically pressured into those engagements by societal norms.

Yours truly from our last mascot virgin

Chill man, it's just 4 months, give her time!

Of course you can say it when you strongly feel it... Just don't expect anything back, and choose a tone that makes it clear, use it mid conversation..."I love you because of...what happened/she did" or "I'm really in love with you right now. So do you feel more like Mexican or Chinese tonigh?" as a statement/like it's no big deal and keep the conversation going.

If I was a betting man I'd bet that you told her I love you and it was as if a Puppy brought the master a stick, was wagging it's tail expecting a scratch behind the ears, otherwise she wouldn't feel the need to justify not saying it back to you.

Good thing you're not a betting man . I didn't tell her I loved her, and I never expected her to say anything of the sort either. I merely expressed the same thing I did here (not knowing what love was because of my inexperience, and asking her input). That also wasn't what caused said 'episode'.

On September 26 2015 03:07 B.I.G. wrote:
Let's turn this situation around. Here is what I would think if a girl I have dated for 4 months would act the same way you are acting:

-Talk about future after just 4 months? Back off and chill the fuck out.
-The sooner and more often a person says I love you to me the more meaningless it becomes.

Then again I might be an emotionally very unhealthy person and not realize it yet..

-I didn't necessarily talk about the future in that way. I merely wondered what the hypothetical next step would be (we were on our first vacation together at the time). I wasn't talking to her about moving in with me and having my babies if that's what you're expecting. Furthermore, we had talked about the future before (her initiative rather than mine). I just hit a nerve, probably relating to her past. She even told me I didn't necessarily come on too strong, but something just hit her differently than she expected.

-I didn't say it yet, and up until the last week I haven't felt the need to either. Hell, most people here I think here agree that 4 months in isn't even necessarily that early.


I think you guys are confusing my inexperience with emotional immaturity or stupidity. I won't say I haven't made mistakes, but you're exaggerating the extent of it a bit here.
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
September 25 2015 20:59 GMT
#14004
Broke off my LDR, meeting the girl from last weekend tomorrow. Could not be more excited. WOOHOO!
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solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
September 25 2015 21:03 GMT
#14005
On September 26 2015 05:59 DickMcFanny wrote:
Broke off my LDR, meeting the girl from last weekend tomorrow. Could not be more excited. WOOHOO!

Well I think this is what most of us were expecting . Good that you broke off the LDR girl and didnt drag her along. I wish you the best of luck with the girl from last weekend!
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
September 25 2015 21:44 GMT
#14006
On September 26 2015 05:59 DickMcFanny wrote:
Broke off my LDR, meeting the girl from last weekend tomorrow. Could not be more excited. WOOHOO!

Well, she couldn't expect someone called MrDickMcFanny to be faithful could she really :D
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
September 25 2015 22:02 GMT
#14007
I have been faithful.
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waffelz
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Germany711 Posts
September 25 2015 22:58 GMT
#14008
On September 26 2015 05:59 DickMcFanny wrote:
Broke off my LDR, meeting the girl from last weekend tomorrow. Could not be more excited. WOOHOO!


Whelp. If anything, that was a quick change of heart. Still wish you the best of luck.
RIP "The big travis CS degree thread", taken from us too soon | Honourable forum princess, defended by Rebs-approved white knights
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45070 Posts
September 26 2015 01:57 GMT
#14009
On September 26 2015 05:59 DickMcFanny wrote:
Broke off my LDR, meeting the girl from last weekend tomorrow. Could not be more excited. WOOHOO!


I'm sure you'll update us!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 26 2015 01:59 GMT
#14010
Get a girl interested in me, time to meet her for food... aaaand a plague spreads through the school and now we're both too sick to do anything.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
September 26 2015 03:16 GMT
#14011
On September 26 2015 07:02 DickMcFanny wrote:
I have been faithful.


I think you are in a pretty grey area. A monkey swinging from vine to vine. I bet your now ex is/would be pretty upset if she knew the full story. For the faithful there is no vine, you crash to the ground and have to climb back up. But Justin Timberlake made a song about this with ScarJo in the video.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
September 26 2015 08:30 GMT
#14012
You're either completely pissed, or I'm totally out of the loop on some pop culture reference. :D
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45070 Posts
September 26 2015 11:03 GMT
#14013
He's referring to this video:



And probably how a willingness to cheat or be unfaithful can come back to haunt you.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
September 27 2015 06:53 GMT
#14014
I am a 28 year old single dude that just got a vacestomy a month ago. All the girls I date around my age talk about how they can't wait to have kids in a few years and get married etc. Should I be telling the girls I date that I have been fixed or just omit and play along like "oh yea I can't wait to have kids also! I never find the right words to say once the kids topic pops up.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
Fyodor
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada971 Posts
September 27 2015 07:25 GMT
#14015
On September 27 2015 15:53 whatisthisasheep wrote:
I am a 28 year old single dude that just got a vacestomy a month ago. All the girls I date around my age talk about how they can't wait to have kids in a few years and get married etc. Should I be telling the girls I date that I have been fixed or just omit and play along like "oh yea I can't wait to have kids also! I never find the right words to say once the kids topic pops up.


If you want to build a solid mutually beneficial relationship based on trust and love tell the truth when it comes up.
if you just wanna get some casual tail and they want a solid relationship with children then you need to lie.
If they don't want a solid relationship and you don't either, then the topic won't come up.

Another option would be to say that you're not yet comfortable talking about this. Sort of half-way between lying and telling the truth.
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bloodwhore~
Profile Joined September 2014
1010 Posts
September 27 2015 10:29 GMT
#14016
God damn it. So I was going on a date today with the girl I went climbing with and now I'm thinking about cancelling.

I'll just go through our interaction:
She texted a picture of her drinking at like 03.00 today.
When I woke up I asked how often she parties.
She responds with that she just "chill partied".
I responded saying that she was quite the party animal (she has been out like three times this week).
She stated that she is working every weekend until the 6th of november. And said she is still drunk (at 11:00).
I asked if she was going to be hungover at our date.
She said "Am I allowed to be? You can pass on the date if you feel it will be (dont really have a good translation for the word but) tiresome..."

Damn, I'm actually really disappointed, really started looking forward to it. Now I am not even sure I want to meet her again, at least not today. She knew she was meeting me days before and she still decides to drink so much that she is drunk at 11? Yeah not a good sign in my eyes, doesn't really make me feel like she wanted to see me. I find it odd too since she was the one who said was unsure if I even wanted to see her again.

I haven't answered yet.. will go climbing in before I do so I don't do anything rash.

If I decide not to I'll probably say something like..
"I think I will pass. I'm actually kind of disappointed, started to look forward to this quite a bit. I've gone on date with a girl who was hung over before and it was not an enjoyable experience. However it's not even only that the date could be bad. You knew you had a date and still you drink as much so you could possibly be hungover, that's a huge red flag in my eyes. Possibly another time but I don't know..."
"Allahu akbar" - Techies.
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
September 27 2015 11:51 GMT
#14017
Blew a chance on friday to get laid with my best friends best friend (or sth like that) who was born here but lives currently in London. Every two or three months she's here for a couple of weeks to visit her parents. Anyways, now I hate myself for it! The only thing I had to do was, to ask her whether she would like to come to my place. And I'm 100% sure she would have agreed. What kept me from asking was, that I felt "inhibited"(?) because I know that these two girls will talk about everything.
How long I lasted, what I did to her, how often and so on, whether it was good/bad ... that made me nervous af. >_> Normally I do not care about these things... but this time? IDK.... fuck. :-/ Got her number though, thinking about giving her a call before she leaves on... tuesday, I believe.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45070 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-27 12:07:30
September 27 2015 12:07 GMT
#14018
On September 27 2015 15:53 whatisthisasheep wrote:
I am a 28 year old single dude that just got a vacestomy a month ago. All the girls I date around my age talk about how they can't wait to have kids in a few years and get married etc. Should I be telling the girls I date that I have been fixed or just omit and play along like "oh yea I can't wait to have kids also! I never find the right words to say once the kids topic pops up.


I understand where you're coming from, but that question just seems really sleezy to me lol

I think Fyodor gave a good answer to it- depends on the circumstances... although I'd add that you probably shouldn't trying to get "casual tail" from girls who are actually looking for a meaningful relationship. Look for hookups with girls who want hookups. Don't lead anyone on.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8764 Posts
September 27 2015 12:53 GMT
#14019
thoughts on dating a friends ex?
i have a really close friend who went out with a girl about 5 years ago. the relationship wasnt a really long one but it has massive significance to him as she was the reason why he moved to a different country to study (couldnt handle the breakup). he also says he hasnt been able to find a girl ever since who could make him feel as happy as he did with her, although that seems to be changing with his latest (current) gf. now he says he doesnt give a shit about the ex and wouldnt care if i went out with her but you cant be sure.
would any of you go out (or have gone out) with a close friends ex?
Snotling
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany885 Posts
September 27 2015 13:05 GMT
#14020
I would not do it. It generally isnt worth the trouble.
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