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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

Posts of the following nature are banned:
1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post.
2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no.
3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture.
4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments.

Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating.
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4211 Posts
August 10 2015 02:50 GMT
#13561
That's like saying you know how to play WoW because you watched the "Leeroy Jenkins" video a lot of times.....
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
August 10 2015 02:59 GMT
#13562
On August 10 2015 11:50 Impervious wrote:
That's like saying you know how to play WoW because you watched the "Leeroy Jenkins" video a lot of times.....

No, it's like saying you know how to give the impression to other plebs you know how to play WoW because you watched a bunch of tutorials, successful examples of raids you want to do, and tactics on how to bring down bosses before logging in for the first time.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
August 10 2015 09:32 GMT
#13563
On August 07 2015 13:35 Dagobert wrote:
"You're so funny." - red flag
"You think I'm <insert negative>?" - red flag
"Meet my friends! <after days/weeks dating>" - red flag
"Meet my parents!" - "No, thank you."
"See this <insert costly item>? It's so <insert positive>" - "Riveting, gotta go."
"My ex..." - Leave. Don't look back.
"My bf..." - Drop her fish tank, walk away.


You're welcome.

...
I do #3 the friends one.
The others come up a lot
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
coloursheep
Profile Joined May 2011
China497 Posts
August 10 2015 10:05 GMT
#13564
On August 10 2015 08:14 LemOn wrote:
By the way for you guys in committed relationships. What are the ways you mix it up to keep your women guessing / surprised / how do you keep mystery to be present in the relationship?


Can you clarify if you are asking about the relationship in general or specifically sexually or both?
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
August 10 2015 12:51 GMT
#13565
Both!
I.E. besides both following their self development path as individuals
how do you keep the spark and escitement in long relationships
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45060 Posts
August 10 2015 12:58 GMT
#13566
On August 10 2015 08:14 LemOn wrote:
By the way for you guys in committed relationships. What are the ways you mix it up to keep your women guessing / surprised / how do you keep mystery to be present in the relationship?


That's a very important question, because I've found (anecdotally, of course), that over half of my friends who had been in a relationship that was 3+ years long end up breaking up for one very specific reason: complacency. Things get boring and stale, they (or their partners) stop trying, there's no more magic left, the excitement's gone, etc.

It's tough, especially when you feel like you've done everything already. But at the same time, the conversations you have with your significant other should continuously suggest new interests or topics you haven't explored yet. I've been dating my girlfriend (now fiancee) for over 9 years, and our interests and tastes have grown from high school through college through grad school and afterwards. We know everything about each other, which is why trying new things adds a novelty element.

Tired of your usual date activities/ want to go out and mix things up a bit? Google your area for activities, try Groupon, try LivingSocial, etc. Want to try a new restaurant or cuisine? Yelp and Google that shit. Find something neither of you have done before, and possibly something you guys might be uncomfortable doing- it gets easier if you're doing it together. Go on a day trip to somewhere- anywhere, really. An amusement park, the beach, a museum, a sports game, New York City/ some other city and just explore some shops (you don't even have to "go shopping" per se) and get some good food, etc. Bowling and miniature golf and movies and relaxing at home are always nice and comfortable options, but why not try wine/ cheese/ chocolate tasting? Why not go skydiving? Why not take a dance class? Why not go to a club or lounge and relax somewhere else? Why not go to a barcraft or arcade? Worst case scenario is that your experience ends up being lame and you can check that off the list and try something else another time. The important part is that you guys tried something new. Together. It makes for a new experience and possibly an interesting story

Every suggestion above is something that my fiancee and I have done (and had a relatively good time doing)- and I've rarely had to drag her to any of these, because she too is open to new things. For example, she went to vet school in Philly, and was happy to come with me to a barcraft there a few years ago, because she knew how much I loved StarCraft. We got there, entered into a barcraft raffle, and she ended up winning us tickets to IPL3 in Atlantic City, which was an awesome experience. Things like that don't happen to people who don't try new things. In the words of Nike/ Shia LaBeouf: Just do it.

The same goes with gifts and special events. Flowers and chocolates and nice restaurants are all well and good (and everything certainly depends on your budget), but what about making a romantic dinner for her at home? I guarantee you it's cheaper, and I guarantee you that you don't have less experience cooking than I do. But it's the thought that counts, and the best way to learn is by doing (take that advice from the teacher-side of me lol). You can practice your surprises and preparations, especially if it's food-related. Plus, there's no rule that says you can't do something nice or new or surprising for your partner on a random weekend or night together; don't just be romantic on Valentine's Day, because that seems like a requirement. Be romantic and spontaneous and interesting at any given time

You could make her something too, instead of buying it. She's much more creative than I am, but I wrote- and sang- her a song about her (and I cannot sing). Do you know the song "Brandy (You're A Fine Girl)" by Looking Glass? I rewrote the lyrics to be relevant to my fiancee (Andrea) and our relationship, and titled the song "Andi (You're A Fine Girl)". "Brandy" wasn't even a song she particularly loved, but "Andi" was hands down one of her favorite gifts ever. I can't play music, so I found the karaoke (background music) version of "Brandy" on YouTube/ iTunes and just sang over it. You really tend to find creative ways to do things that make your partner happy

I also kept track of all her favorite Disney/ Pixar characters, and worked with a friend to create a hand-drawn collage of her favorite characters. Predictably, she gushed over it. I framed it, and now it's hanging on her wall. A particular stuffed animal or other trinket can go a long way too, if it's the kind of character/ animal/ genre she loves. So I think it's just a matter of paying attention to her interests and brainstorming what you could do with those facts- whether it's planning events or future gifts. Being in a relationship takes commitment and hard work- it's simple to say that "it should be easy", but that rarely tells the whole story. It should be easy to love the person you're with. It should be easy to connect and communicate and trust the person you're with. But it's also easy to fall into complacency, and you should be actively looking for ways to make your relationship feel new and exciting.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
waffelz
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Germany711 Posts
August 10 2015 13:50 GMT
#13567
On August 10 2015 21:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 08:14 LemOn wrote:
By the way for you guys in committed relationships. What are the ways you mix it up to keep your women guessing / surprised / how do you keep mystery to be present in the relationship?


That's a very important question, because I've found (anecdotally, of course), that over half of my friends who had been in a relationship that was 3+ years long end up breaking up for one very specific reason: complacency. Things get boring and stale, they (or their partners) stop trying, there's no more magic left, the excitement's gone, etc.

It's tough, especially when you feel like you've done everything already. But at the same time, the conversations you have with your significant other should continuously suggest new interests or topics you haven't explored yet. I've been dating my girlfriend (now fiancee) for over 9 years, and our interests and tastes have grown from high school through college through grad school and afterwards. We know everything about each other, which is why trying new things adds a novelty element.

Tired of your usual date activities/ want to go out and mix things up a bit? Google your area for activities, try Groupon, try LivingSocial, etc. Want to try a new restaurant or cuisine? Yelp and Google that shit. Find something neither of you have done before, and possibly something you guys might be uncomfortable doing- it gets easier if you're doing it together. Go on a day trip to somewhere- anywhere, really. An amusement park, the beach, a museum, a sports game, New York City/ some other city and just explore some shops (you don't even have to "go shopping" per se) and get some good food, etc. Bowling and miniature golf and movies and relaxing at home are always nice and comfortable options, but why not try wine/ cheese/ chocolate tasting? Why not go skydiving? Why not take a dance class? Why not go to a club or lounge and relax somewhere else? Why not go to a barcraft or arcade? Worst case scenario is that your experience ends up being lame and you can check that off the list and try something else another time. The important part is that you guys tried something new. Together. It makes for a new experience and possibly an interesting story

Every suggestion above is something that my fiancee and I have done (and had a relatively good time doing)- and I've rarely had to drag her to any of these, because she too is open to new things. For example, she went to vet school in Philly, and was happy to come with me to a barcraft there a few years ago, because she knew how much I loved StarCraft. We got there, entered into a barcraft raffle, and she ended up winning us tickets to IPL3 in Atlantic City, which was an awesome experience. Things like that don't happen to people who don't try new things. In the words of Nike/ Shia LaBeouf: Just do it.

The same goes with gifts and special events. Flowers and chocolates and nice restaurants are all well and good (and everything certainly depends on your budget), but what about making a romantic dinner for her at home? I guarantee you it's cheaper, and I guarantee you that you don't have less experience cooking than I do. But it's the thought that counts, and the best way to learn is by doing (take that advice from the teacher-side of me lol). You can practice your surprises and preparations, especially if it's food-related. Plus, there's no rule that says you can't do something nice or new or surprising for your partner on a random weekend or night together; don't just be romantic on Valentine's Day, because that seems like a requirement. Be romantic and spontaneous and interesting at any given time

You could make her something too, instead of buying it. She's much more creative than I am, but I wrote- and sang- her a song about her (and I cannot sing). Do you know the song "Brandy (You're A Fine Girl)" by Looking Glass? I rewrote the lyrics to be relevant to my fiancee (Andrea) and our relationship, and titled the song "Andi (You're A Fine Girl)". "Brandy" wasn't even a song she particularly loved, but "Andi" was hands down one of her favorite gifts ever. I can't play music, so I found the karaoke (background music) version of "Brandy" on YouTube/ iTunes and just sang over it. You really tend to find creative ways to do things that make your partner happy

I also kept track of all her favorite Disney/ Pixar characters, and worked with a friend to create a hand-drawn collage of her favorite characters. Predictably, she gushed over it. I framed it, and now it's hanging on her wall. A particular stuffed animal or other trinket can go a long way too, if it's the kind of character/ animal/ genre she loves. So I think it's just a matter of paying attention to her interests and brainstorming what you could do with those facts- whether it's planning events or future gifts. Being in a relationship takes commitment and hard work- it's simple to say that "it should be easy", but that rarely tells the whole story. It should be easy to love the person you're with. It should be easy to connect and communicate and trust the person you're with. But it's also easy to fall into complacency, and you should be actively looking for ways to make your relationship feel new and exciting.


I second that, even though my longest relationship only lasted a bit longer then 5 years. For the gift thing, I might add that you can use creative ways to present them, even if you aren't crafty. I got my ex on of her birthdays the missing mangas of a series I know she liked a lot (which in itself is almost like a proposal given my deep hatred for manga/anime), but instead of just giving them to her I mixed things up a bit. I got her a small gift and sneaked in a note that contained a hint where another gift was and so on. So she had to go on a scavenger hunt for the remaining gifts that actually took her a while (wrap a book in wallpaper/paper that fits your ceiling and hide it at a ceiling-lamp. She almost lost her mind on that one since it was a 1 room apartment but she still couldn't find it for quite some time).
Give gifts not only on the usual occasions, don't be shy to sneak some romantic notes in her stuff and don't be lazy about the relationship in general.
Surprising your partner with a meal is also usually a great success, especially when its usually her who cooks.
What also helped a lot to keep motivated, is to remind yourself what you really love about your partner, especially the small things that occur regularly. Those are the things that get overlooked very easy. You still enjoy them, but you just gotten used to them so you only realize them when they are gone - actively try to prevent that.
I think the biggest problem though is that all this is almost useless if it only comes from one side. If you are with a partner that's just to lazy of a person/someone who really prefers things to be regular and predictable, and doesn't want to put in the same effort, there is not much you can do. This is actually the part of being in a relationship that still really scares me: you can do your best and be really good at it, but in the end it is possible that it won't matter at all.
RIP "The big travis CS degree thread", taken from us too soon | Honourable forum princess, defended by Rebs-approved white knights
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
August 10 2015 14:34 GMT
#13568
On August 10 2015 21:51 LemOn wrote:
Both!
I.E. besides both following their self development path as individuals
how do you keep the spark and escitement in long relationships


Well, I think this actually comes down to two categories: regular things (daily/weekly/perconversation) and occasional things (surprises, special occasions, etc.)

But Yo, why are you saying regular things? I'm talking special things to keep the spark!

Yeah, but the main trick is actually not the special stuff. You need it from time to time, but relationships aren't about always having some completely new scheme to do something like tricking a sky-writer into writing her name in the sky.

The best way to keep it fresh is to have things you always think to do, ideally that are always evolving. A few examples:
-Regular dates
....Dates don't have to be expensive. Running around a city, going someplace you've never been, eating a picnic by the side of a river or highway all work just fine. Date quality is measured by fun and novelty, not money spent. Put another way, dates are a way of making it "fresh" because a person you love will always respond in fascinating ways to any new experience, no matter how many years you have under your belt.
.........Side note on above: advanced technique can actually do the whole thing mentally. Talking through a new potential experience or imaginary scenario can be a lot of fun, and can show you all sorts of things you don't know.
....Always bring flowers. This is a personal thing, but I try to always bring at least one flower, ideally more, depending on finances and availability. If you don't know her 5 favorite flowers in rank order, find out. She may not know, but figure it out from what she likes and how much.
-Conversational rituals
....Pet names can help, but be wary. Don't get stuck on any one name, and try to avoid overly clilched names, or anything you called your ex or she was called by hers. Still, special names or nicknames or whatever can be a nice way to bond.
....Say I love you. A lot. It helps. It really does.
....Have sex. A lot. (wait, why is this in conversation... oohh, ahhh...)

I've got more but need to go to work. More later maybes.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45060 Posts
August 10 2015 14:40 GMT
#13569
On August 10 2015 22:50 waffelz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2015 21:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 10 2015 08:14 LemOn wrote:
By the way for you guys in committed relationships. What are the ways you mix it up to keep your women guessing / surprised / how do you keep mystery to be present in the relationship?


That's a very important question, because I've found (anecdotally, of course), that over half of my friends who had been in a relationship that was 3+ years long end up breaking up for one very specific reason: complacency. Things get boring and stale, they (or their partners) stop trying, there's no more magic left, the excitement's gone, etc.

It's tough, especially when you feel like you've done everything already. But at the same time, the conversations you have with your significant other should continuously suggest new interests or topics you haven't explored yet. I've been dating my girlfriend (now fiancee) for over 9 years, and our interests and tastes have grown from high school through college through grad school and afterwards. We know everything about each other, which is why trying new things adds a novelty element.

Tired of your usual date activities/ want to go out and mix things up a bit? Google your area for activities, try Groupon, try LivingSocial, etc. Want to try a new restaurant or cuisine? Yelp and Google that shit. Find something neither of you have done before, and possibly something you guys might be uncomfortable doing- it gets easier if you're doing it together. Go on a day trip to somewhere- anywhere, really. An amusement park, the beach, a museum, a sports game, New York City/ some other city and just explore some shops (you don't even have to "go shopping" per se) and get some good food, etc. Bowling and miniature golf and movies and relaxing at home are always nice and comfortable options, but why not try wine/ cheese/ chocolate tasting? Why not go skydiving? Why not take a dance class? Why not go to a club or lounge and relax somewhere else? Why not go to a barcraft or arcade? Worst case scenario is that your experience ends up being lame and you can check that off the list and try something else another time. The important part is that you guys tried something new. Together. It makes for a new experience and possibly an interesting story

Every suggestion above is something that my fiancee and I have done (and had a relatively good time doing)- and I've rarely had to drag her to any of these, because she too is open to new things. For example, she went to vet school in Philly, and was happy to come with me to a barcraft there a few years ago, because she knew how much I loved StarCraft. We got there, entered into a barcraft raffle, and she ended up winning us tickets to IPL3 in Atlantic City, which was an awesome experience. Things like that don't happen to people who don't try new things. In the words of Nike/ Shia LaBeouf: Just do it.

The same goes with gifts and special events. Flowers and chocolates and nice restaurants are all well and good (and everything certainly depends on your budget), but what about making a romantic dinner for her at home? I guarantee you it's cheaper, and I guarantee you that you don't have less experience cooking than I do. But it's the thought that counts, and the best way to learn is by doing (take that advice from the teacher-side of me lol). You can practice your surprises and preparations, especially if it's food-related. Plus, there's no rule that says you can't do something nice or new or surprising for your partner on a random weekend or night together; don't just be romantic on Valentine's Day, because that seems like a requirement. Be romantic and spontaneous and interesting at any given time

You could make her something too, instead of buying it. She's much more creative than I am, but I wrote- and sang- her a song about her (and I cannot sing). Do you know the song "Brandy (You're A Fine Girl)" by Looking Glass? I rewrote the lyrics to be relevant to my fiancee (Andrea) and our relationship, and titled the song "Andi (You're A Fine Girl)". "Brandy" wasn't even a song she particularly loved, but "Andi" was hands down one of her favorite gifts ever. I can't play music, so I found the karaoke (background music) version of "Brandy" on YouTube/ iTunes and just sang over it. You really tend to find creative ways to do things that make your partner happy

I also kept track of all her favorite Disney/ Pixar characters, and worked with a friend to create a hand-drawn collage of her favorite characters. Predictably, she gushed over it. I framed it, and now it's hanging on her wall. A particular stuffed animal or other trinket can go a long way too, if it's the kind of character/ animal/ genre she loves. So I think it's just a matter of paying attention to her interests and brainstorming what you could do with those facts- whether it's planning events or future gifts. Being in a relationship takes commitment and hard work- it's simple to say that "it should be easy", but that rarely tells the whole story. It should be easy to love the person you're with. It should be easy to connect and communicate and trust the person you're with. But it's also easy to fall into complacency, and you should be actively looking for ways to make your relationship feel new and exciting.


I second that, even though my longest relationship only lasted a bit longer then 5 years. For the gift thing, I might add that you can use creative ways to present them, even if you aren't crafty. I got my ex on of her birthdays the missing mangas of a series I know she liked a lot (which in itself is almost like a proposal given my deep hatred for manga/anime), but instead of just giving them to her I mixed things up a bit. I got her a small gift and sneaked in a note that contained a hint where another gift was and so on. So she had to go on a scavenger hunt for the remaining gifts that actually took her a while (wrap a book in wallpaper/paper that fits your ceiling and hide it at a ceiling-lamp. She almost lost her mind on that one since it was a 1 room apartment but she still couldn't find it for quite some time).
Give gifts not only on the usual occasions, don't be shy to sneak some romantic notes in her stuff and don't be lazy about the relationship in general.
Surprising your partner with a meal is also usually a great success, especially when its usually her who cooks.
What also helped a lot to keep motivated, is to remind yourself what you really love about your partner, especially the small things that occur regularly. Those are the things that get overlooked very easy. You still enjoy them, but you just gotten used to them so you only realize them when they are gone - actively try to prevent that.
I think the biggest problem though is that all this is almost useless if it only comes from one side. If you are with a partner that's just to lazy of a person/someone who really prefers things to be regular and predictable, and doesn't want to put in the same effort, there is not much you can do. This is actually the part of being in a relationship that still really scares me: you can do your best and be really good at it, but in the end it is possible that it won't matter at all.


Yeah I agree; a relationship has to go both ways. That's why spontaneity isn't the only thing that matters in a successful relationship. Two of the most important factors are honesty and communication. Both parties need to be open to discussing their expectations and values and hopes and dreams. It's nice to have a confidant, and it certainly makes it easier to build a relationship and focus on what really matters if you know what she wants and she knows what you want. Or perhaps you two just disagree on some fundamentals that end up being dealbreakers, but at least both parties have clarity and the breaking up is more mutual and respectful.

I also really like your suggestion about making the presentation of the gifts interesting Anything to mix things up a bit, no matter how simple or complex!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
waffelz
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Germany711 Posts
August 10 2015 16:00 GMT
#13570
On August 10 2015 23:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I also really like your suggestion about making the presentation of the gifts interesting Anything to mix things up a bit, no matter how simple or complex!

Yeah, I am really playful with that kind of stuff
- making it a scavenger hunt
- having her solve a crossword puzzle to be able to access it
- not saying anything, and leaving a gift in a spot where she will find it eventually
- in case of a poem or other small stuff sneaking it into her work stuff
- Making a reservation and not telling her. Wait until she leaves the bathroom from after her after work-shower and having one of her favourite outfits laying on the bed instead of the stuff she took out. Still not really telling anything, just that she should come with me. This needs to have access to a co-worker she's somewhat close with though, since you need to know how tiring her day was.
- I got quite good at origami which is also a really cheap and awesome way to make small gestures and it isn't that hard. Mostly the instructions just suck, unless for the really hardcore stuff.
- cut her breakfast cheese/sausages in heart-shapes
- a calendar with something nice written on each page is also always a great gift
- back/foot massages are also usually very good and the ever favourite rubbing/scratching the spots where her bra usually is after it came off. Though I would say, this should rather be regular things.
- Since I always had the fortune of having busty girlfriends, sneaking a sticky-note under her boobs was also an all-time favourite of mine : D. Should be used with caution(like not if she goes to work and has to work with clients etc. ofc).

When it came to the relationship that lasted 5 years, her father got really annoyed by me since her mother was giving him shit every time my ex told her about those surprises/gifts
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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 17:13:13
August 10 2015 17:09 GMT
#13571
Wow the dates you guys are describing is pretty much what I do from day1
5 months and not one date has been the same
I guess it's important to keep in mind how important it is to keep doing until we break up. Or Die - a date, once per week, thought out with awesome stuff, regardless if I know her for 2 weeks or 20 years and we live together with kids.

On Sunday I will tell her we are taking a train. And then pick a totally random destination just go there :D
Thursday she has a groupon for some apparently awesome activity outside, all I know that I need sports shoes and no chewing gums and what time I'm meeting her.


The little gifts seem great though. I was purposefully holding out on gifts completely, besides her birthday and paper roses I shot at Funfair. Well and a lego my little sister won and didn't need. And she brought me a cake, a seashell, and told me to close my eyes and brought 5 whisky tasters (to prove tullamore dew isn't shit which I was telling her all the time. She loves it. I recognized it right away ha). I guess spacing those out to once per month-ish should be fine? It just came naturally without thinking much so far.




How do you guys keep the variety in sex btw? I got edible chocolate body paint for Sunday (She won't know, I will blindfold her telling her I don't trust she won't be looking), we do a lot of public stuff (sex, BJ, or heavy PDA on most dates). Do you often change up dirty talk? When is the right time to introduce anal, vibrators, sex toys, threesomes, swinging etc.
I do a lot of teasing - would withholding sex once in a while a good idea, just get her horny and say goodnight etc, so she can't expect the same stuff always?
Is changing pace and what you do besides positions important, how exactly do you do it? (I often fall into a routine especially around the point where I am now with a girl)
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waffelz
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Germany711 Posts
August 10 2015 17:46 GMT
#13572
On August 11 2015 02:09 LemOn wrote:
How do you guys keep the variety in sex btw? I got edible chocolate body paint for Sunday (She won't know, I will blindfold her telling her I don't trust she won't be looking), we do a lot of public stuff (sex, BJ, or heavy PDA on most dates). Do you often change up dirty talk? When is the right time to introduce anal, vibrators, sex toys, threesomes, swinging etc.
I do a lot of teasing - would withholding sex once in a while a good idea, just get her horny and say goodnight etc, so she can't expect the same stuff always?
Is changing pace and what you do besides positions important, how exactly do you do it? (I often fall into a routine especially around the point where I am now with a girl)


Variety in sex:
Role-playing seems always to work out great. Also stuff like making a trip to a city, acting like you where complete strangers and then go to a hotel room worked out great for me in the past. The usual rough-sex/bondage stuff also works of course. Its very common for women to fantasize about being taken/used in various ways. It depends on the women (who had thought that women have different preferences...), universally it is important though to end the session in a cuddling fashion then. And it is something that you should hold out with until you both really trust each other and to start slowly.

Usage of toys:
Once again, its depends on your partner. How open is she with that kind of stuff? Threesome's for example are less likely to occur, same goes for swinging (and both is a bad idea in my opinion, especially the last one). For vibrators, I suggest start by getting something that you both can use together. Like massage/vibrating eggs, or finger-vibrators that she can use on herself, but you can also use on her and then go from there.

Anal:
Always a hot topic. First of all, you should be clear that besides being a fantasy, its not much of a different for the men. The true strength of anal-sex is that it offers a whole new stimulation for the women. Keeping this in mind helps with not rushing it, which would be the most common mistake that most men do. When you got a good level of trust and openness regarding sex, you can start talking about it. Tell her what it can offer her. Sex toys should be introduced first though, since the easiest way to prepare for anal are some good ol' buttplugs. Don't skip that part, the first try is usually the most important since she can get easily scared away by a painful experience. Also make sure to have her already stimulated, its required for her to enjoy anal.

Changing pace/positions:
Change positions during the act, switch between positions that give one partner more control then the other. You can turn it also into a competition of who finishes first, or set yourself some own goals like getting her to beg or making her moan if she's usually the quiet type. And try some new stuff to see if she likes it. Different movement, rhythm... . It also helps to remember that the journey is the destination to some degree for the women. The way to her orgasm is most of the times more important than the orgasm itself.

One last thing that always helps to keep in mind is: You don't have to both like it. As long as both of you agree upon it, you can and should do whatever you feel like. Pure egoism and sex doesnt go well in a relationship.
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Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
August 10 2015 18:35 GMT
#13573
On August 10 2015 06:29 LemOn wrote:
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On August 09 2015 23:25 Mikau wrote:
My girlfriend of a little over 2 months just wanted some 'me-time' (IE spending time with a friend and reading after) after spending pretty much the last 48 hours together and while also having plans with me for the next day. I'm guessing this is completely normal (actually I'm surprised that hasn't happened to me yet, I'm big on me-time normally), but seeing as this is my first relationship I'm not sure I should be slightly worried. Would having tentative plans before deciding otherwise ('we could get together after work!') change anything?

Do you want to keep this girl, or do you want to enjoy the thrill of dating her as much as possible and then move on?

If the 1st thing, you should avoid making any dates or making any plans to be together whatsoever actually during a date unless she brings it up. Have a banging time focus on the present, leave her with a passionate kiss telling her how awesome she is...
And then let her contact you first.
And when she does just say "Hey, I'd love to see you - when are you free to get together?"
Well and if she doesn't, wait 3-5 days, call her, and say the same.

What you are doing will be unsustainable in 99% cases long term I'd say and you will smother her eventually, that she has to actively ask for "me" time is a big warning sign tbh.

If you want to just use her as much as possible, and you don't mind that the relationship will most likely burn out fast then there's no issue, just respect when she asks for free time.

First of all, I'm in this for the long run, and unless she's been actively trying to deceive me so is she.

Do you say this because you assume (probably correctly) that I'm doing the 'first relationship' thing of pressing too hard on being with her without allowing her her personal space, or because of a gender role situation I'm not aware about? If the former, I don't think you need to worry too much. She initiates contact and get togethers as much if not more so as I do (in fact, the tentative meeting for that night was her suggestion in the first place, she only changed her schedule after I told her I was working later) . We're going to Rome for a week together in 2 weeks (mostly her initiative) and she's already talking about going away for a weekend after that. While we apparently take things faster than you have (though I think if I told her I loved her anywhere close to now she'd probably kill me), I don't think it's in a way where either of us is pushing the other person into it.

She also wasn't actively asking for me-time as much as she just responded "no I think I'll just stay at home and read a book" when I asked her if she wanted to sleep over.

On August 09 2015 23:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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On August 09 2015 23:25 Mikau wrote:
My girlfriend of a little over 2 months just wanted some 'me-time' (IE spending time with a friend and reading after) after spending pretty much the last 48 hours together and while also having plans with me for the next day. I'm guessing this is completely normal (actually I'm surprised that hasn't happened to me yet, I'm big on me-time normally), but seeing as this is my first relationship I'm not sure I should be slightly worried. Would having tentative plans before deciding otherwise ('we could get together after work!') change anything?


Me-time is totally understandable and acceptable. Don't smother her or be overly selfish with stealing all her time You'll only push her away if you try to invade every second of her life.


On August 09 2015 23:49 Yoav wrote:
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On August 09 2015 23:25 Mikau wrote:
My girlfriend of a little over 2 months just wanted some 'me-time' (IE spending time with a friend and reading after) after spending pretty much the last 48 hours together and while also having plans with me for the next day. I'm guessing this is completely normal (actually I'm surprised that hasn't happened to me yet, I'm big on me-time normally), but seeing as this is my first relationship I'm not sure I should be slightly worried. Would having tentative plans before deciding otherwise ('we could get together after work!') change anything?


Sounds like you're doing fine on spending time together. Don't overdo it.

Yeah that's what I thought too, but considering I have no experience in the matter I thought I'd see what you guys thought.

I have since realised however why I think this situation bothered me slightly. Looking back on the past few weeks I see now that as I got more comfortable (and happy) with her and our relationship that I was slowly starting to resent time spent away from her rather than looking forward to seeing her. I think I need to take a step back mentally and realise that I am still my own person with my own life, rather than only focusing on the new and exciting relation ship stuff. With all my friends on holiday and me doing nothing but work (and not having uni to challenge me), and the fact that this is my first time, I guess it's not strange the balance was slipping that way slowly, but I do have to be mindful of keeping that balance in the future. Also, because our work schedules conflict so much (I get done at 9, she starts night shift at 11) we hardly see eachother for more than twice a week (sleepover one day and meeting for coffee another). With how scarce our time was we made the most of it, the idea that we had time to see eachother but didn't end up meeting was somewhat foreign to me (outside of the first 3 weeks).

All in all I think it's mainly me trying to navigate being in relationships in general for the first time, and that's bound to be a learning process wherein I'm going to make some mistakes.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 20:31:35
August 10 2015 20:18 GMT
#13574
Well if you are in it for the long run, and she might be the love of your life
Think about what you will do in many years ahead, and do just that - I found it gets always pretty awry when you need the person, not just want her, and start dropping friends/hobbies, developing yourself as a person etc. That's the beginning of the end as you start looking for satisfaction in the other person. And it's never sustainable as the initial hormone spikes get naturally lower, then the "passion dissipated" bullshit comes etc. Which just means you were with the wrong person in the first place, or you/her or both lost your own identity or strayed from the path of self betterment.

There's no rush, as long as you see her once per week on most weeks, it's all good. That's why I like to keep it on the girls to initiate completely - I'm personally obsessive at start of relationships driven by my dick and girls tend to regulate this stuff better and take their time at first, that's why I give them complete freedom and leaving it up to them for when I ask them out by not setting dates on a date, and asking her out after she contacts me after a date.
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MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
August 10 2015 23:27 GMT
#13575
Guys what's a good Text to send to someone a couple of days after your first tinder date and a couple of days before your second date?

I went with ayyYe bitch what's up?
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18124 Posts
August 10 2015 23:28 GMT
#13576
On August 11 2015 08:27 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Guys what's a good Text to send to someone a couple of days after your first tinder date and a couple of days before your second date?

I went with ayyYe bitch what's up?

Missed a chance for "yo, wanna fuck?"
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
August 10 2015 23:39 GMT
#13577
On August 11 2015 08:27 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Guys what's a good Text to send to someone a couple of days after your first tinder date and a couple of days before your second date?

I went with ayyYe bitch what's up?

Shit if you're dating I thought it would've transformed to normal date by then.
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MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
August 10 2015 23:45 GMT
#13578
Were going running but at the end of the first date she was like if you wusnt sick I'd of danked memed you
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 23:52:59
August 10 2015 23:52 GMT
#13579
Oh, then just use the source of all my glory:

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waffelz
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Germany711 Posts
August 11 2015 00:06 GMT
#13580
lol... just sent her the picture [UoN]Sentinel posted and let her circle her favorite answer. Gonna do this when the time comes for sure, some of them are so terrible, they are almost awesome again.
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