• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:01
CEST 09:01
KST 16:01
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5: Vote to Decide Ladder Maps!0[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High14Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments2[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon10
Community News
Classic wins RSL Revival Season 20Weekly Cups (Sept 15-21): herO Goes For Four2SC2 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes + Sept 22nd update235BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch4Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4
StarCraft 2
General
Why Storm Should NOT Be Nerfed – A Core Part of Pr SC2 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes + Sept 22nd update Classic wins RSL Revival Season 2 Question about resolution & DPI settings SC2 Weekly Cups (Sept 15-21): herO Goes For Four
Tourneys
Prome's Evo #1 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo) Monday Nights Weeklies RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 Stellar Fest
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 492 Get Out More Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone Old rep packs of BW legends [ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro8 Day 2 [ASL20] Ro8 Day 1 [ASL20] Ro16 Group D BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Borderlands 3 General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
[ASL20] Players bad at pi…
pullarius1
Kendrick, Eminem, and "Self…
Peanutsc
Too Many LANs? Tournament Ov…
TrAiDoS
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1537 users

American Juggalo- celebrating anti-intellectuism? - Page 13

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 21 Next All
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
October 02 2011 21:20 GMT
#241
On October 03 2011 06:17 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
Why on earth would you want to accept everyone for who they are?

I fail to see how that's a positive trait.


Why on earth would anyone accept anyone as they are, everyone you know has some kind of fucked up shit going on that you would spit nails at them for probably if you knew. Just walk up on everyone and be like "What the fuck fix your shit pussy bitch we all know what I'm talking about." While swinging a lead pipe around.

And then you could be a Juggalo too.


Eh, none of that makes any sense actually.
yakitate304
Profile Joined April 2009
United States655 Posts
October 02 2011 21:22 GMT
#242
On October 02 2011 21:30 HellRoxYa wrote:
So what about the guy who met that brain surgeon and who himself wanted to be a doctor?


Yeah, I'm sure he's qualified and is well on his way to becoming a doctor. (That's sarcasm)


Or maybe, just maybe, it's some of the same idealistic bullshit that lazy people tell themselves. Oh, I want to be a doctor because, like, maybe I can like help people or some shit. But in the meantime, I'm going to come out here and get jacked upon *insert drug cocktail here*. That's certainly going to help him on the road to being a doctor. (Also sarcasm)


Then you have the 6 month pregnant girl smoking a cigarette - fantastic stuff. And the family with 2 kids there. I feel so bad for those kids who are basically pigeonholed into this dead-end lifestyle, not to mention all of the shit they're going to take (or probably already take) at school. (Not sarcasm)
Yaki's Streaming Madness: twitch.tv/YakiSC ||| FRB Grand Tournament Organizer ||| @YakiStarCraft ||| Youtube.com/YakiStarCraft
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 21:24:38
October 02 2011 21:24 GMT
#243
Eh, none of that makes any sense actually.


Oh, but it would if you didn't live in Montenegro but instead here in the US and had actually met some of these people.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
October 02 2011 21:25 GMT
#244
On October 03 2011 06:24 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
Eh, none of that makes any sense actually.


Oh, but it would if you didn't live in Montenegro but instead here in the US and had actually met some of these people.


Wait, how is what you're posting in any way related to what I am posting?

I'm confused.
ICarrotU
Profile Joined February 2011
United States254 Posts
October 02 2011 21:25 GMT
#245
On October 03 2011 06:18 Hnnngg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 06:12 ICarrotU wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:03 Hnnngg wrote:
On October 03 2011 05:53 Silver_Thor wrote:
As for the attack on Tila Tequila yes it was a bit much but she brought the incident on herself, she was insulting the fans before going on stage, was told not to go on, and refused originally to leave the stage when security asked her to because she wanted to show her boobs off


So attack her? Right? That makes sense, bring a child up in that environment. We should also hurl our own excrement like apes (oh ha, I already mentioned this) at her. It's all excusable because she insulted us and was told to not go in front of the excrement-hurling apes.

I guess that makes sense, people would tell you it's foolish to jump into a Gorilla habitat at the zoo and expose your breasts and sing like Tila Tequila.

Then again, those people are human and their actions are inexcusable, regardless of how much Tila was warned how populistic those "people" are.


You sure sound like you have an axe to grind with juggalos, did they pick on you in school or something?

There's plenty of 'stupid' cultures/groups out there, this isn't special. I wouldn't necessarily say they're celebrating anti-intellectualism, it's not as if a majority of University students don't party just as hard.
As far as I can tell, they seem to be a rather accepting bunch (save for the tila tequila thing, but she knew the risks) for being a bunch of tweakers/alcoholics. In the end, life's just about having a good time and enjoying it, I doubt even 1% of the users of TL have made or will make a significant change in the world for the better, and these juggalos are no different.


I went to a private school, Juggalo's couldn't afford to get in. Being excessively tolerant doesn't make them angels, it makes them dangerous. There are certain lifestyles that are toxic and should not be acceptable.

It's not about partying, it's about populism, violence, and aggression as well as the lack of vocabulary, syntax, and humanism.

Your doubt about TL members is unwarranted, unscientific and therefore unpublishable.


Again, this isn't the only group that shares those traits, you may as well be speaking of all those affected by poverty. I fail to see how being excessively tolerant makes them any more dangerous that being excessively intolerant. With these people's emphasis on family, one could argue that they fuel humanism.

Again, I ask, what about them makes you so upset?
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
October 02 2011 21:27 GMT
#246
Wait, how is what you're posting in any way related to what I am posting?

I'm confused.


Satire be lost on you. Sorry
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
October 02 2011 21:30 GMT
#247
Gosh, there was no way to tell.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
October 02 2011 21:32 GMT
#248
On October 03 2011 06:27 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
Wait, how is what you're posting in any way related to what I am posting?

I'm confused.


Satire be lost on you. Sorry

You are really bad at this.
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 21:33:52
October 02 2011 21:32 GMT
#249
On October 03 2011 06:25 ICarrotU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 06:18 Hnnngg wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:12 ICarrotU wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:03 Hnnngg wrote:
On October 03 2011 05:53 Silver_Thor wrote:
As for the attack on Tila Tequila yes it was a bit much but she brought the incident on herself, she was insulting the fans before going on stage, was told not to go on, and refused originally to leave the stage when security asked her to because she wanted to show her boobs off


So attack her? Right? That makes sense, bring a child up in that environment. We should also hurl our own excrement like apes (oh ha, I already mentioned this) at her. It's all excusable because she insulted us and was told to not go in front of the excrement-hurling apes.

I guess that makes sense, people would tell you it's foolish to jump into a Gorilla habitat at the zoo and expose your breasts and sing like Tila Tequila.

Then again, those people are human and their actions are inexcusable, regardless of how much Tila was warned how populistic those "people" are.


You sure sound like you have an axe to grind with juggalos, did they pick on you in school or something?

There's plenty of 'stupid' cultures/groups out there, this isn't special. I wouldn't necessarily say they're celebrating anti-intellectualism, it's not as if a majority of University students don't party just as hard.
As far as I can tell, they seem to be a rather accepting bunch (save for the tila tequila thing, but she knew the risks) for being a bunch of tweakers/alcoholics. In the end, life's just about having a good time and enjoying it, I doubt even 1% of the users of TL have made or will make a significant change in the world for the better, and these juggalos are no different.


I went to a private school, Juggalo's couldn't afford to get in. Being excessively tolerant doesn't make them angels, it makes them dangerous. There are certain lifestyles that are toxic and should not be acceptable.

It's not about partying, it's about populism, violence, and aggression as well as the lack of vocabulary, syntax, and humanism.

Your doubt about TL members is unwarranted, unscientific and therefore unpublishable.


Again, this isn't the only group that shares those traits, you may as well be speaking of all those affected by poverty. I fail to see how being excessively tolerant makes them any more dangerous that being excessively intolerant. With these people's emphasis on family, one could argue that they fuel humanism.

Again, I ask, what about them makes you so upset?


Emphasis on family is not humanist, not in anyway. Especially considering that the family that emphasis is on is anti-intellectual for both being religious fanatics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wraith:_Shangri-La) and populists. For the people affected by poverty, those people were born into povery, juggalos are not born (regardless of what they might say). Being excessively tolerant or intolerant is bad because it's in excess. Excess is those cases is objectively bad. You are supposed to be intolerant of alcoholics, you should not tolerate that shit. You should also not tolerate this populism and religious zealotry.

I don't know how many times I should say it, but these people are populists and religious fanatics.
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 21:33:22
October 02 2011 21:33 GMT
#250
double post
Magic_Mike
Profile Joined May 2010
United States542 Posts
October 02 2011 21:43 GMT
#251
Some of the neighbors from down my road are juggalos. Seem like alright people. I occasionally go down there to borrow movies. They seem like a pretty normal couple who keep to themselves and don't cause any trouble.

On the other hand, his wife has a younger brother who is extremely irresponsible. He's got kids he doesn't pay for cause he doesn't have a job, he's been to jail about every other year of his life and half the people in the neighborhood know to look out for him because he's been known to steal even from his own family.

I think you have good and bad in every culture of people. This music or culture could mean get fucked up do drugs and ditch all responsibility to one person and the next it is a sense of community and acceptance that they didn't get elsewhere. I don't see the problem with it. Looked like a decent party in the video. I probably would have gone when I was younger but since, I've had kids, I don't think I'd fit in with most of these people.

ICarrotU
Profile Joined February 2011
United States254 Posts
October 02 2011 21:46 GMT
#252
On October 03 2011 06:32 Hnnngg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 06:25 ICarrotU wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:18 Hnnngg wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:12 ICarrotU wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:03 Hnnngg wrote:
On October 03 2011 05:53 Silver_Thor wrote:
As for the attack on Tila Tequila yes it was a bit much but she brought the incident on herself, she was insulting the fans before going on stage, was told not to go on, and refused originally to leave the stage when security asked her to because she wanted to show her boobs off


So attack her? Right? That makes sense, bring a child up in that environment. We should also hurl our own excrement like apes (oh ha, I already mentioned this) at her. It's all excusable because she insulted us and was told to not go in front of the excrement-hurling apes.

I guess that makes sense, people would tell you it's foolish to jump into a Gorilla habitat at the zoo and expose your breasts and sing like Tila Tequila.

Then again, those people are human and their actions are inexcusable, regardless of how much Tila was warned how populistic those "people" are.


You sure sound like you have an axe to grind with juggalos, did they pick on you in school or something?

There's plenty of 'stupid' cultures/groups out there, this isn't special. I wouldn't necessarily say they're celebrating anti-intellectualism, it's not as if a majority of University students don't party just as hard.
As far as I can tell, they seem to be a rather accepting bunch (save for the tila tequila thing, but she knew the risks) for being a bunch of tweakers/alcoholics. In the end, life's just about having a good time and enjoying it, I doubt even 1% of the users of TL have made or will make a significant change in the world for the better, and these juggalos are no different.


I went to a private school, Juggalo's couldn't afford to get in. Being excessively tolerant doesn't make them angels, it makes them dangerous. There are certain lifestyles that are toxic and should not be acceptable.

It's not about partying, it's about populism, violence, and aggression as well as the lack of vocabulary, syntax, and humanism.

Your doubt about TL members is unwarranted, unscientific and therefore unpublishable.


Again, this isn't the only group that shares those traits, you may as well be speaking of all those affected by poverty. I fail to see how being excessively tolerant makes them any more dangerous that being excessively intolerant. With these people's emphasis on family, one could argue that they fuel humanism.

Again, I ask, what about them makes you so upset?


Emphasis on family is not humanist, not in anyway. Especially considering that the family that emphasis is on is anti-intellectual for both being religious fanatics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wraith:_Shangri-La) and populists. For the people affected by poverty, those people were born into povery, juggalos are not born (regardless of what they might say). Being excessively tolerant or intolerant is bad because it's in excess. Excess is those cases is objectively bad. You are supposed to be intolerant of alcoholics, you should not tolerate that shit. You should also not tolerate this populism and religious zealotry.

I don't know how many times I should say it, but these people are populists and religious fanatics.


I feel that you're making a fair bit of assumptions because you have some odd sort of hate for this group of people.

The Insane Clown Posse released a cd with a religious message and it makes every Juggalo a religious fanatic? How is populism anti-intellectual? How do you know that none of these people are born into and affected by poverty?

I fail to see how any part of what they do celebrates anti-intellectualism (other than what I've stated previously) or how they act like 'religious zealots'.
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
October 02 2011 21:51 GMT
#253
On October 03 2011 06:46 ICarrotU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 06:32 Hnnngg wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:25 ICarrotU wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:18 Hnnngg wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:12 ICarrotU wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:03 Hnnngg wrote:
On October 03 2011 05:53 Silver_Thor wrote:
As for the attack on Tila Tequila yes it was a bit much but she brought the incident on herself, she was insulting the fans before going on stage, was told not to go on, and refused originally to leave the stage when security asked her to because she wanted to show her boobs off


So attack her? Right? That makes sense, bring a child up in that environment. We should also hurl our own excrement like apes (oh ha, I already mentioned this) at her. It's all excusable because she insulted us and was told to not go in front of the excrement-hurling apes.

I guess that makes sense, people would tell you it's foolish to jump into a Gorilla habitat at the zoo and expose your breasts and sing like Tila Tequila.

Then again, those people are human and their actions are inexcusable, regardless of how much Tila was warned how populistic those "people" are.


You sure sound like you have an axe to grind with juggalos, did they pick on you in school or something?

There's plenty of 'stupid' cultures/groups out there, this isn't special. I wouldn't necessarily say they're celebrating anti-intellectualism, it's not as if a majority of University students don't party just as hard.
As far as I can tell, they seem to be a rather accepting bunch (save for the tila tequila thing, but she knew the risks) for being a bunch of tweakers/alcoholics. In the end, life's just about having a good time and enjoying it, I doubt even 1% of the users of TL have made or will make a significant change in the world for the better, and these juggalos are no different.


I went to a private school, Juggalo's couldn't afford to get in. Being excessively tolerant doesn't make them angels, it makes them dangerous. There are certain lifestyles that are toxic and should not be acceptable.

It's not about partying, it's about populism, violence, and aggression as well as the lack of vocabulary, syntax, and humanism.

Your doubt about TL members is unwarranted, unscientific and therefore unpublishable.


Again, this isn't the only group that shares those traits, you may as well be speaking of all those affected by poverty. I fail to see how being excessively tolerant makes them any more dangerous that being excessively intolerant. With these people's emphasis on family, one could argue that they fuel humanism.

Again, I ask, what about them makes you so upset?


Emphasis on family is not humanist, not in anyway. Especially considering that the family that emphasis is on is anti-intellectual for both being religious fanatics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wraith:_Shangri-La) and populists. For the people affected by poverty, those people were born into povery, juggalos are not born (regardless of what they might say). Being excessively tolerant or intolerant is bad because it's in excess. Excess is those cases is objectively bad. You are supposed to be intolerant of alcoholics, you should not tolerate that shit. You should also not tolerate this populism and religious zealotry.

I don't know how many times I should say it, but these people are populists and religious fanatics.


I feel that you're making a fair bit of assumptions because you have some odd sort of hate for this group of people.

The Insane Clown Posse released a cd with a religious message and it makes every Juggalo a religious fanatic? How is populism anti-intellectual? How do you know that none of these people are born into and affected by poverty?

I fail to see how any part of what they do celebrates anti-intellectualism (other than what I've stated previously) or how they act like 'religious zealots'.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism

Sources of Anti-intellectualism: Religion, Authoritarianism, and Populism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insane_Clown_Posse#Spirituality

There are juggalos that have their every thought and movement affected by their religion. That makes them zealots or fanatics. It's similar to the difference between Zionists and Jews and Islamists and Muslims, there are Juggalists. Is there a 100% spread of Juggalism amongst Juggalos? Definitely not, but the original band are Juggalists or at least fake Juggalists trying to move their brand. That makes the ideal form Juggalists, as the original is that way.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
October 02 2011 22:00 GMT
#254
On October 03 2011 06:18 asdlkj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 21:00 Silidons wrote:
It's no more anti-intellectual than any modern religion, I don't see why this is bad. Yes I went there, but it's the cold hard truth no matter how much it stings. I'm sure many people have had their runs with ICP, even I used to listen to some of their music and enjoy a song here and there for the fun aspect of it, I really don't see why we should care about what they do at their concerts and gatherings though.


Lol atheists are some of the most pathetic human beings out there.

Brb calling religious people idiots who need to stop spreading their belief down my throat, while I non nonchalantly call their holy book a "fairy tale" and constantly start arguments for no reason.


some atheists are sure.. but...., your making assumptions about a group of people, just like he did about religious groups.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
KiaL.Kiwi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 22:10:33
October 02 2011 22:07 GMT
#255
On October 03 2011 06:51 Hnnngg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 06:46 ICarrotU wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:32 Hnnngg wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:25 ICarrotU wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:18 Hnnngg wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:12 ICarrotU wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:03 Hnnngg wrote:
On October 03 2011 05:53 Silver_Thor wrote:
As for the attack on Tila Tequila yes it was a bit much but she brought the incident on herself, she was insulting the fans before going on stage, was told not to go on, and refused originally to leave the stage when security asked her to because she wanted to show her boobs off


So attack her? Right? That makes sense, bring a child up in that environment. We should also hurl our own excrement like apes (oh ha, I already mentioned this) at her. It's all excusable because she insulted us and was told to not go in front of the excrement-hurling apes.

I guess that makes sense, people would tell you it's foolish to jump into a Gorilla habitat at the zoo and expose your breasts and sing like Tila Tequila.

Then again, those people are human and their actions are inexcusable, regardless of how much Tila was warned how populistic those "people" are.


You sure sound like you have an axe to grind with juggalos, did they pick on you in school or something?

There's plenty of 'stupid' cultures/groups out there, this isn't special. I wouldn't necessarily say they're celebrating anti-intellectualism, it's not as if a majority of University students don't party just as hard.
As far as I can tell, they seem to be a rather accepting bunch (save for the tila tequila thing, but she knew the risks) for being a bunch of tweakers/alcoholics. In the end, life's just about having a good time and enjoying it, I doubt even 1% of the users of TL have made or will make a significant change in the world for the better, and these juggalos are no different.


I went to a private school, Juggalo's couldn't afford to get in. Being excessively tolerant doesn't make them angels, it makes them dangerous. There are certain lifestyles that are toxic and should not be acceptable.

It's not about partying, it's about populism, violence, and aggression as well as the lack of vocabulary, syntax, and humanism.

Your doubt about TL members is unwarranted, unscientific and therefore unpublishable.


Again, this isn't the only group that shares those traits, you may as well be speaking of all those affected by poverty. I fail to see how being excessively tolerant makes them any more dangerous that being excessively intolerant. With these people's emphasis on family, one could argue that they fuel humanism.

Again, I ask, what about them makes you so upset?


Emphasis on family is not humanist, not in anyway. Especially considering that the family that emphasis is on is anti-intellectual for both being religious fanatics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wraith:_Shangri-La) and populists. For the people affected by poverty, those people were born into povery, juggalos are not born (regardless of what they might say). Being excessively tolerant or intolerant is bad because it's in excess. Excess is those cases is objectively bad. You are supposed to be intolerant of alcoholics, you should not tolerate that shit. You should also not tolerate this populism and religious zealotry.

I don't know how many times I should say it, but these people are populists and religious fanatics.


I feel that you're making a fair bit of assumptions because you have some odd sort of hate for this group of people.

The Insane Clown Posse released a cd with a religious message and it makes every Juggalo a religious fanatic? How is populism anti-intellectual? How do you know that none of these people are born into and affected by poverty?

I fail to see how any part of what they do celebrates anti-intellectualism (other than what I've stated previously) or how they act like 'religious zealots'.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism

Sources of Anti-intellectualism: Religion, Authoritarianism, and Populism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insane_Clown_Posse#Spirituality

There are juggalos that have their every thought and movement affected by their religion. That makes them zealots or fanatics. It's similar to the difference between Zionists and Jews and Islamists and Muslims, there are Juggalists. Is there a 100% spread of Juggalism amongst Juggalos? Definitely not, but the original band are Juggalists or at least fake Juggalists trying to move their brand. That makes the ideal form Juggalists, as the original is that way.

You're having a pretty strong opinion considering we're talking about some small subculture (20.000 people at the yearly festival? That's comparable to 5k people over here and that just sounds like peanuts), when you could as well interchange every Juggalo by Republican and every Juggalist by Republic Base (or Tea Party or Redneck) and your post would make exactly as much sense as before.
There are always extremists in every kind of movement that make all the other people look retarded.

It's a subculture of young people doing what those subcultures tend to do. Separating themselves, bonding in their group, acting selfishly, setting up some pretty extreme ideals to believe into. Mountains and molehills
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
October 02 2011 22:08 GMT
#256
On October 02 2011 21:09 sigma_x wrote:
I think that the anti-intellectualism associated with that band is probably no more than any other similar group However, on the broader point of 'anti-intellectualism', it is a worrying sign in the US where in no less than a year we have seen the shutting down of the Tevatron and the shutting down of Nasa's space shuttle program.

It's not all bad. While the shuttle may me gone, we're going back to the moon!

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2011/09/sls-mission-improving-crewed-moon-mission-2019/
Who called in the fleet?
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
October 02 2011 22:18 GMT
#257
On October 03 2011 07:07 KiaL.Kiwi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 06:51 Hnnngg wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:46 ICarrotU wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:32 Hnnngg wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:25 ICarrotU wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:18 Hnnngg wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:12 ICarrotU wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:03 Hnnngg wrote:
On October 03 2011 05:53 Silver_Thor wrote:
As for the attack on Tila Tequila yes it was a bit much but she brought the incident on herself, she was insulting the fans before going on stage, was told not to go on, and refused originally to leave the stage when security asked her to because she wanted to show her boobs off


So attack her? Right? That makes sense, bring a child up in that environment. We should also hurl our own excrement like apes (oh ha, I already mentioned this) at her. It's all excusable because she insulted us and was told to not go in front of the excrement-hurling apes.

I guess that makes sense, people would tell you it's foolish to jump into a Gorilla habitat at the zoo and expose your breasts and sing like Tila Tequila.

Then again, those people are human and their actions are inexcusable, regardless of how much Tila was warned how populistic those "people" are.


You sure sound like you have an axe to grind with juggalos, did they pick on you in school or something?

There's plenty of 'stupid' cultures/groups out there, this isn't special. I wouldn't necessarily say they're celebrating anti-intellectualism, it's not as if a majority of University students don't party just as hard.
As far as I can tell, they seem to be a rather accepting bunch (save for the tila tequila thing, but she knew the risks) for being a bunch of tweakers/alcoholics. In the end, life's just about having a good time and enjoying it, I doubt even 1% of the users of TL have made or will make a significant change in the world for the better, and these juggalos are no different.


I went to a private school, Juggalo's couldn't afford to get in. Being excessively tolerant doesn't make them angels, it makes them dangerous. There are certain lifestyles that are toxic and should not be acceptable.

It's not about partying, it's about populism, violence, and aggression as well as the lack of vocabulary, syntax, and humanism.

Your doubt about TL members is unwarranted, unscientific and therefore unpublishable.


Again, this isn't the only group that shares those traits, you may as well be speaking of all those affected by poverty. I fail to see how being excessively tolerant makes them any more dangerous that being excessively intolerant. With these people's emphasis on family, one could argue that they fuel humanism.

Again, I ask, what about them makes you so upset?


Emphasis on family is not humanist, not in anyway. Especially considering that the family that emphasis is on is anti-intellectual for both being religious fanatics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wraith:_Shangri-La) and populists. For the people affected by poverty, those people were born into povery, juggalos are not born (regardless of what they might say). Being excessively tolerant or intolerant is bad because it's in excess. Excess is those cases is objectively bad. You are supposed to be intolerant of alcoholics, you should not tolerate that shit. You should also not tolerate this populism and religious zealotry.

I don't know how many times I should say it, but these people are populists and religious fanatics.


I feel that you're making a fair bit of assumptions because you have some odd sort of hate for this group of people.

The Insane Clown Posse released a cd with a religious message and it makes every Juggalo a religious fanatic? How is populism anti-intellectual? How do you know that none of these people are born into and affected by poverty?

I fail to see how any part of what they do celebrates anti-intellectualism (other than what I've stated previously) or how they act like 'religious zealots'.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism

Sources of Anti-intellectualism: Religion, Authoritarianism, and Populism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insane_Clown_Posse#Spirituality

There are juggalos that have their every thought and movement affected by their religion. That makes them zealots or fanatics. It's similar to the difference between Zionists and Jews and Islamists and Muslims, there are Juggalists. Is there a 100% spread of Juggalism amongst Juggalos? Definitely not, but the original band are Juggalists or at least fake Juggalists trying to move their brand. That makes the ideal form Juggalists, as the original is that way.

You're having a pretty strong opinion considering we're talking about some small subculture (20.000 people at the yearly festival? That's comparable to 5k people over here and that just sounds like peanuts), when you could as well interchange every Juggalo by Republican and every Juggalist by Republic Base (or Tea Party or Redneck) and your post would make exactly as much sense as before.
There are always extremists in every kind of movement that make all the other people look retarded.

It's a subculture of young people doing what those subcultures tend to do. Separating themselves, bonding in their group, acting selfishly, setting up some pretty extreme ideals to believe into. Mountains and molehills


All my opinions are strong. I don't see the worth of having weak opinions. The number of people doesn't matter to me, I don't care if it's 20,000 or 1,000,000. It's bad no matter how big or small it is.

The difference between other groups is the originator. The original republican would not be an example of the Republican Base, or Tea Party or whatever. The extremists in this movement are the original example.

This is a molehill, at least on a scale of Juggalos to non-Juggalos. But if we look into ideals and that their acceptable within this culture, but also in other cultures, then we have the problem. This would be the absolute easiest group to start with because of their size, history, and creation.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
October 02 2011 22:53 GMT
#258
On October 03 2011 07:18 Hnnngg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 07:07 KiaL.Kiwi wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:51 Hnnngg wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:46 ICarrotU wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:32 Hnnngg wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:25 ICarrotU wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:18 Hnnngg wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:12 ICarrotU wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:03 Hnnngg wrote:
On October 03 2011 05:53 Silver_Thor wrote:
As for the attack on Tila Tequila yes it was a bit much but she brought the incident on herself, she was insulting the fans before going on stage, was told not to go on, and refused originally to leave the stage when security asked her to because she wanted to show her boobs off


So attack her? Right? That makes sense, bring a child up in that environment. We should also hurl our own excrement like apes (oh ha, I already mentioned this) at her. It's all excusable because she insulted us and was told to not go in front of the excrement-hurling apes.

I guess that makes sense, people would tell you it's foolish to jump into a Gorilla habitat at the zoo and expose your breasts and sing like Tila Tequila.

Then again, those people are human and their actions are inexcusable, regardless of how much Tila was warned how populistic those "people" are.


You sure sound like you have an axe to grind with juggalos, did they pick on you in school or something?

There's plenty of 'stupid' cultures/groups out there, this isn't special. I wouldn't necessarily say they're celebrating anti-intellectualism, it's not as if a majority of University students don't party just as hard.
As far as I can tell, they seem to be a rather accepting bunch (save for the tila tequila thing, but she knew the risks) for being a bunch of tweakers/alcoholics. In the end, life's just about having a good time and enjoying it, I doubt even 1% of the users of TL have made or will make a significant change in the world for the better, and these juggalos are no different.


I went to a private school, Juggalo's couldn't afford to get in. Being excessively tolerant doesn't make them angels, it makes them dangerous. There are certain lifestyles that are toxic and should not be acceptable.

It's not about partying, it's about populism, violence, and aggression as well as the lack of vocabulary, syntax, and humanism.

Your doubt about TL members is unwarranted, unscientific and therefore unpublishable.


Again, this isn't the only group that shares those traits, you may as well be speaking of all those affected by poverty. I fail to see how being excessively tolerant makes them any more dangerous that being excessively intolerant. With these people's emphasis on family, one could argue that they fuel humanism.

Again, I ask, what about them makes you so upset?


Emphasis on family is not humanist, not in anyway. Especially considering that the family that emphasis is on is anti-intellectual for both being religious fanatics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wraith:_Shangri-La) and populists. For the people affected by poverty, those people were born into povery, juggalos are not born (regardless of what they might say). Being excessively tolerant or intolerant is bad because it's in excess. Excess is those cases is objectively bad. You are supposed to be intolerant of alcoholics, you should not tolerate that shit. You should also not tolerate this populism and religious zealotry.

I don't know how many times I should say it, but these people are populists and religious fanatics.


I feel that you're making a fair bit of assumptions because you have some odd sort of hate for this group of people.

The Insane Clown Posse released a cd with a religious message and it makes every Juggalo a religious fanatic? How is populism anti-intellectual? How do you know that none of these people are born into and affected by poverty?

I fail to see how any part of what they do celebrates anti-intellectualism (other than what I've stated previously) or how they act like 'religious zealots'.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism

Sources of Anti-intellectualism: Religion, Authoritarianism, and Populism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insane_Clown_Posse#Spirituality

There are juggalos that have their every thought and movement affected by their religion. That makes them zealots or fanatics. It's similar to the difference between Zionists and Jews and Islamists and Muslims, there are Juggalists. Is there a 100% spread of Juggalism amongst Juggalos? Definitely not, but the original band are Juggalists or at least fake Juggalists trying to move their brand. That makes the ideal form Juggalists, as the original is that way.

You're having a pretty strong opinion considering we're talking about some small subculture (20.000 people at the yearly festival? That's comparable to 5k people over here and that just sounds like peanuts), when you could as well interchange every Juggalo by Republican and every Juggalist by Republic Base (or Tea Party or Redneck) and your post would make exactly as much sense as before.
There are always extremists in every kind of movement that make all the other people look retarded.

It's a subculture of young people doing what those subcultures tend to do. Separating themselves, bonding in their group, acting selfishly, setting up some pretty extreme ideals to believe into. Mountains and molehills


All my opinions are strong. I don't see the worth of having weak opinions.



Could you elaborate on that?
LoveIsSimple
Profile Joined August 2011
United States14 Posts
October 02 2011 22:55 GMT
#259
Did everyone in this thread miss the fact that this is all just a big joke? I'm usually not one to poop on a discussion, but I think arguing about the origin of populism in the juggalo subculture is just a little... I dunno retarded? Not smoking while pregnant retarded, but still pretty dumb.

To me it just seems like anyone who truly believes that by hammering out the details of the flaws of juggaloism, they are somehow doing this planet some great service, is more dangerous, and more deluded than any face painted juggalo.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Watching intelligent people vapidly debate shit that it's obvious nobody gives two fucks about is more unsettling to me then seeing some dude with a mid eighties IQ huffing whipits in his campsite.

Let's be honest. A lot of these people never had any potential to begin with, and by virtue of that fact no potential is being wasted. The Juggalo Carnival is like an attraction where you have to be "At least this stupid" just to ride. Juggaloism isn't attracting America's best and brightest future leaders of tomorrow. Our Ivy League schools aren't plagued by juggalos. It's a special club for those vestigal hominids who still linger among us like shadows of our evolutionary past.

Am I somehow alarmed that above all odds two fat dudes who have no talent somehow figured out a way to preach acceptance and unconditional love to the bottom sector of society? Nope, not really. I almost think in some kind of strange way it was a badass thing to do.

AutomatonOmega
Profile Joined February 2011
United States706 Posts
October 02 2011 23:02 GMT
#260
People have been getting fucked up and doing stupid shit for literally millennia.

Labeling it as something uniquely American and using it as a platform to further anti-American agendas is pretty blatant.
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 21 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 59m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
PianO 388
sSak 231
sorry 100
Shine 42
Noble 28
ivOry 28
ajuk12(nOOB) 15
Icarus 8
League of Legends
JimRising 559
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor116
Other Games
summit1g7953
B2W.Neo523
C9.Mang0360
XaKoH 185
NeuroSwarm114
SortOf94
Trikslyr25
kaitlyn13
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick656
BasetradeTV75
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH111
• practicex 52
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1460
• Lourlo1055
• Stunt508
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2h 59m
Afreeca Starleague
2h 59m
Snow vs EffOrt
Wardi Open
3h 59m
PiGosaur Monday
16h 59m
LiuLi Cup
1d 3h
OSC
1d 7h
The PondCast
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
Serral vs herO
Clem vs Reynor
[BSL 2025] Weekly
4 days
[ Show More ]
[BSL 2025] Weekly
4 days
BSL Team Wars
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
RSL Revival: Season 2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2025-26
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.