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On October 03 2011 06:17 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +Why on earth would you want to accept everyone for who they are?
I fail to see how that's a positive trait. Why on earth would anyone accept anyone as they are, everyone you know has some kind of fucked up shit going on that you would spit nails at them for probably if you knew. Just walk up on everyone and be like "What the fuck fix your shit pussy bitch we all know what I'm talking about." While swinging a lead pipe around. And then you could be a Juggalo too.
Eh, none of that makes any sense actually.
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On October 02 2011 21:30 HellRoxYa wrote:
So what about the guy who met that brain surgeon and who himself wanted to be a doctor?
Yeah, I'm sure he's qualified and is well on his way to becoming a doctor. (That's sarcasm)
Or maybe, just maybe, it's some of the same idealistic bullshit that lazy people tell themselves. Oh, I want to be a doctor because, like, maybe I can like help people or some shit. But in the meantime, I'm going to come out here and get jacked upon *insert drug cocktail here*. That's certainly going to help him on the road to being a doctor. (Also sarcasm)
Then you have the 6 month pregnant girl smoking a cigarette - fantastic stuff. And the family with 2 kids there. I feel so bad for those kids who are basically pigeonholed into this dead-end lifestyle, not to mention all of the shit they're going to take (or probably already take) at school. (Not sarcasm)
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Eh, none of that makes any sense actually.
Oh, but it would if you didn't live in Montenegro but instead here in the US and had actually met some of these people.
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On October 03 2011 06:24 DeepElemBlues wrote:Oh, but it would if you didn't live in Montenegro but instead here in the US and had actually met some of these people.
Wait, how is what you're posting in any way related to what I am posting?
I'm confused.
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On October 03 2011 06:18 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 06:12 ICarrotU wrote:On October 03 2011 06:03 Hnnngg wrote:On October 03 2011 05:53 Silver_Thor wrote:
As for the attack on Tila Tequila yes it was a bit much but she brought the incident on herself, she was insulting the fans before going on stage, was told not to go on, and refused originally to leave the stage when security asked her to because she wanted to show her boobs off
So attack her? Right? That makes sense, bring a child up in that environment. We should also hurl our own excrement like apes (oh ha, I already mentioned this) at her. It's all excusable because she insulted us and was told to not go in front of the excrement-hurling apes. I guess that makes sense, people would tell you it's foolish to jump into a Gorilla habitat at the zoo and expose your breasts and sing like Tila Tequila. Then again, those people are human and their actions are inexcusable, regardless of how much Tila was warned how populistic those "people" are. You sure sound like you have an axe to grind with juggalos, did they pick on you in school or something? There's plenty of 'stupid' cultures/groups out there, this isn't special. I wouldn't necessarily say they're celebrating anti-intellectualism, it's not as if a majority of University students don't party just as hard. As far as I can tell, they seem to be a rather accepting bunch (save for the tila tequila thing, but she knew the risks) for being a bunch of tweakers/alcoholics. In the end, life's just about having a good time and enjoying it, I doubt even 1% of the users of TL have made or will make a significant change in the world for the better, and these juggalos are no different. I went to a private school, Juggalo's couldn't afford to get in. Being excessively tolerant doesn't make them angels, it makes them dangerous. There are certain lifestyles that are toxic and should not be acceptable. It's not about partying, it's about populism, violence, and aggression as well as the lack of vocabulary, syntax, and humanism. Your doubt about TL members is unwarranted, unscientific and therefore unpublishable.
Again, this isn't the only group that shares those traits, you may as well be speaking of all those affected by poverty. I fail to see how being excessively tolerant makes them any more dangerous that being excessively intolerant. With these people's emphasis on family, one could argue that they fuel humanism.
Again, I ask, what about them makes you so upset?
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Wait, how is what you're posting in any way related to what I am posting?
I'm confused.
Satire be lost on you. Sorry 
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Gosh, there was no way to tell.
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On October 03 2011 06:27 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +Wait, how is what you're posting in any way related to what I am posting?
I'm confused. Satire be lost on you. Sorry
You are really bad at this.
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On October 03 2011 06:25 ICarrotU wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 06:18 Hnnngg wrote:On October 03 2011 06:12 ICarrotU wrote:On October 03 2011 06:03 Hnnngg wrote:On October 03 2011 05:53 Silver_Thor wrote:
As for the attack on Tila Tequila yes it was a bit much but she brought the incident on herself, she was insulting the fans before going on stage, was told not to go on, and refused originally to leave the stage when security asked her to because she wanted to show her boobs off
So attack her? Right? That makes sense, bring a child up in that environment. We should also hurl our own excrement like apes (oh ha, I already mentioned this) at her. It's all excusable because she insulted us and was told to not go in front of the excrement-hurling apes. I guess that makes sense, people would tell you it's foolish to jump into a Gorilla habitat at the zoo and expose your breasts and sing like Tila Tequila. Then again, those people are human and their actions are inexcusable, regardless of how much Tila was warned how populistic those "people" are. You sure sound like you have an axe to grind with juggalos, did they pick on you in school or something? There's plenty of 'stupid' cultures/groups out there, this isn't special. I wouldn't necessarily say they're celebrating anti-intellectualism, it's not as if a majority of University students don't party just as hard. As far as I can tell, they seem to be a rather accepting bunch (save for the tila tequila thing, but she knew the risks) for being a bunch of tweakers/alcoholics. In the end, life's just about having a good time and enjoying it, I doubt even 1% of the users of TL have made or will make a significant change in the world for the better, and these juggalos are no different. I went to a private school, Juggalo's couldn't afford to get in. Being excessively tolerant doesn't make them angels, it makes them dangerous. There are certain lifestyles that are toxic and should not be acceptable. It's not about partying, it's about populism, violence, and aggression as well as the lack of vocabulary, syntax, and humanism. Your doubt about TL members is unwarranted, unscientific and therefore unpublishable. Again, this isn't the only group that shares those traits, you may as well be speaking of all those affected by poverty. I fail to see how being excessively tolerant makes them any more dangerous that being excessively intolerant. With these people's emphasis on family, one could argue that they fuel humanism. Again, I ask, what about them makes you so upset?
Emphasis on family is not humanist, not in anyway. Especially considering that the family that emphasis is on is anti-intellectual for both being religious fanatics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wraith:_Shangri-La) and populists. For the people affected by poverty, those people were born into povery, juggalos are not born (regardless of what they might say). Being excessively tolerant or intolerant is bad because it's in excess. Excess is those cases is objectively bad. You are supposed to be intolerant of alcoholics, you should not tolerate that shit. You should also not tolerate this populism and religious zealotry.
I don't know how many times I should say it, but these people are populists and religious fanatics.
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Some of the neighbors from down my road are juggalos. Seem like alright people. I occasionally go down there to borrow movies. They seem like a pretty normal couple who keep to themselves and don't cause any trouble.
On the other hand, his wife has a younger brother who is extremely irresponsible. He's got kids he doesn't pay for cause he doesn't have a job, he's been to jail about every other year of his life and half the people in the neighborhood know to look out for him because he's been known to steal even from his own family.
I think you have good and bad in every culture of people. This music or culture could mean get fucked up do drugs and ditch all responsibility to one person and the next it is a sense of community and acceptance that they didn't get elsewhere. I don't see the problem with it. Looked like a decent party in the video. I probably would have gone when I was younger but since, I've had kids, I don't think I'd fit in with most of these people.
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On October 03 2011 06:32 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 06:25 ICarrotU wrote:On October 03 2011 06:18 Hnnngg wrote:On October 03 2011 06:12 ICarrotU wrote:On October 03 2011 06:03 Hnnngg wrote:On October 03 2011 05:53 Silver_Thor wrote:
As for the attack on Tila Tequila yes it was a bit much but she brought the incident on herself, she was insulting the fans before going on stage, was told not to go on, and refused originally to leave the stage when security asked her to because she wanted to show her boobs off
So attack her? Right? That makes sense, bring a child up in that environment. We should also hurl our own excrement like apes (oh ha, I already mentioned this) at her. It's all excusable because she insulted us and was told to not go in front of the excrement-hurling apes. I guess that makes sense, people would tell you it's foolish to jump into a Gorilla habitat at the zoo and expose your breasts and sing like Tila Tequila. Then again, those people are human and their actions are inexcusable, regardless of how much Tila was warned how populistic those "people" are. You sure sound like you have an axe to grind with juggalos, did they pick on you in school or something? There's plenty of 'stupid' cultures/groups out there, this isn't special. I wouldn't necessarily say they're celebrating anti-intellectualism, it's not as if a majority of University students don't party just as hard. As far as I can tell, they seem to be a rather accepting bunch (save for the tila tequila thing, but she knew the risks) for being a bunch of tweakers/alcoholics. In the end, life's just about having a good time and enjoying it, I doubt even 1% of the users of TL have made or will make a significant change in the world for the better, and these juggalos are no different. I went to a private school, Juggalo's couldn't afford to get in. Being excessively tolerant doesn't make them angels, it makes them dangerous. There are certain lifestyles that are toxic and should not be acceptable. It's not about partying, it's about populism, violence, and aggression as well as the lack of vocabulary, syntax, and humanism. Your doubt about TL members is unwarranted, unscientific and therefore unpublishable. Again, this isn't the only group that shares those traits, you may as well be speaking of all those affected by poverty. I fail to see how being excessively tolerant makes them any more dangerous that being excessively intolerant. With these people's emphasis on family, one could argue that they fuel humanism. Again, I ask, what about them makes you so upset? Emphasis on family is not humanist, not in anyway. Especially considering that the family that emphasis is on is anti-intellectual for both being religious fanatics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wraith:_Shangri-La) and populists. For the people affected by poverty, those people were born into povery, juggalos are not born (regardless of what they might say). Being excessively tolerant or intolerant is bad because it's in excess. Excess is those cases is objectively bad. You are supposed to be intolerant of alcoholics, you should not tolerate that shit. You should also not tolerate this populism and religious zealotry. I don't know how many times I should say it, but these people are populists and religious fanatics.
I feel that you're making a fair bit of assumptions because you have some odd sort of hate for this group of people.
The Insane Clown Posse released a cd with a religious message and it makes every Juggalo a religious fanatic? How is populism anti-intellectual? How do you know that none of these people are born into and affected by poverty?
I fail to see how any part of what they do celebrates anti-intellectualism (other than what I've stated previously) or how they act like 'religious zealots'.
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On October 03 2011 06:46 ICarrotU wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 06:32 Hnnngg wrote:On October 03 2011 06:25 ICarrotU wrote:On October 03 2011 06:18 Hnnngg wrote:On October 03 2011 06:12 ICarrotU wrote:On October 03 2011 06:03 Hnnngg wrote:On October 03 2011 05:53 Silver_Thor wrote:
As for the attack on Tila Tequila yes it was a bit much but she brought the incident on herself, she was insulting the fans before going on stage, was told not to go on, and refused originally to leave the stage when security asked her to because she wanted to show her boobs off
So attack her? Right? That makes sense, bring a child up in that environment. We should also hurl our own excrement like apes (oh ha, I already mentioned this) at her. It's all excusable because she insulted us and was told to not go in front of the excrement-hurling apes. I guess that makes sense, people would tell you it's foolish to jump into a Gorilla habitat at the zoo and expose your breasts and sing like Tila Tequila. Then again, those people are human and their actions are inexcusable, regardless of how much Tila was warned how populistic those "people" are. You sure sound like you have an axe to grind with juggalos, did they pick on you in school or something? There's plenty of 'stupid' cultures/groups out there, this isn't special. I wouldn't necessarily say they're celebrating anti-intellectualism, it's not as if a majority of University students don't party just as hard. As far as I can tell, they seem to be a rather accepting bunch (save for the tila tequila thing, but she knew the risks) for being a bunch of tweakers/alcoholics. In the end, life's just about having a good time and enjoying it, I doubt even 1% of the users of TL have made or will make a significant change in the world for the better, and these juggalos are no different. I went to a private school, Juggalo's couldn't afford to get in. Being excessively tolerant doesn't make them angels, it makes them dangerous. There are certain lifestyles that are toxic and should not be acceptable. It's not about partying, it's about populism, violence, and aggression as well as the lack of vocabulary, syntax, and humanism. Your doubt about TL members is unwarranted, unscientific and therefore unpublishable. Again, this isn't the only group that shares those traits, you may as well be speaking of all those affected by poverty. I fail to see how being excessively tolerant makes them any more dangerous that being excessively intolerant. With these people's emphasis on family, one could argue that they fuel humanism. Again, I ask, what about them makes you so upset? Emphasis on family is not humanist, not in anyway. Especially considering that the family that emphasis is on is anti-intellectual for both being religious fanatics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wraith:_Shangri-La) and populists. For the people affected by poverty, those people were born into povery, juggalos are not born (regardless of what they might say). Being excessively tolerant or intolerant is bad because it's in excess. Excess is those cases is objectively bad. You are supposed to be intolerant of alcoholics, you should not tolerate that shit. You should also not tolerate this populism and religious zealotry. I don't know how many times I should say it, but these people are populists and religious fanatics. I feel that you're making a fair bit of assumptions because you have some odd sort of hate for this group of people. The Insane Clown Posse released a cd with a religious message and it makes every Juggalo a religious fanatic? How is populism anti-intellectual? How do you know that none of these people are born into and affected by poverty? I fail to see how any part of what they do celebrates anti-intellectualism (other than what I've stated previously) or how they act like 'religious zealots'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism
Sources of Anti-intellectualism: Religion, Authoritarianism, and Populism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insane_Clown_Posse#Spirituality
There are juggalos that have their every thought and movement affected by their religion. That makes them zealots or fanatics. It's similar to the difference between Zionists and Jews and Islamists and Muslims, there are Juggalists. Is there a 100% spread of Juggalism amongst Juggalos? Definitely not, but the original band are Juggalists or at least fake Juggalists trying to move their brand. That makes the ideal form Juggalists, as the original is that way.
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On October 03 2011 06:18 asdlkj wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 21:00 Silidons wrote:
It's no more anti-intellectual than any modern religion, I don't see why this is bad. Yes I went there, but it's the cold hard truth no matter how much it stings. I'm sure many people have had their runs with ICP, even I used to listen to some of their music and enjoy a song here and there for the fun aspect of it, I really don't see why we should care about what they do at their concerts and gatherings though. Lol atheists are some of the most pathetic human beings out there. Brb calling religious people idiots who need to stop spreading their belief down my throat, while I non nonchalantly call their holy book a "fairy tale" and constantly start arguments for no reason.
some atheists are sure.. but...., your making assumptions about a group of people, just like he did about religious groups.
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On October 03 2011 06:51 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 06:46 ICarrotU wrote:On October 03 2011 06:32 Hnnngg wrote:On October 03 2011 06:25 ICarrotU wrote:On October 03 2011 06:18 Hnnngg wrote:On October 03 2011 06:12 ICarrotU wrote:On October 03 2011 06:03 Hnnngg wrote:On October 03 2011 05:53 Silver_Thor wrote:
As for the attack on Tila Tequila yes it was a bit much but she brought the incident on herself, she was insulting the fans before going on stage, was told not to go on, and refused originally to leave the stage when security asked her to because she wanted to show her boobs off
So attack her? Right? That makes sense, bring a child up in that environment. We should also hurl our own excrement like apes (oh ha, I already mentioned this) at her. It's all excusable because she insulted us and was told to not go in front of the excrement-hurling apes. I guess that makes sense, people would tell you it's foolish to jump into a Gorilla habitat at the zoo and expose your breasts and sing like Tila Tequila. Then again, those people are human and their actions are inexcusable, regardless of how much Tila was warned how populistic those "people" are. You sure sound like you have an axe to grind with juggalos, did they pick on you in school or something? There's plenty of 'stupid' cultures/groups out there, this isn't special. I wouldn't necessarily say they're celebrating anti-intellectualism, it's not as if a majority of University students don't party just as hard. As far as I can tell, they seem to be a rather accepting bunch (save for the tila tequila thing, but she knew the risks) for being a bunch of tweakers/alcoholics. In the end, life's just about having a good time and enjoying it, I doubt even 1% of the users of TL have made or will make a significant change in the world for the better, and these juggalos are no different. I went to a private school, Juggalo's couldn't afford to get in. Being excessively tolerant doesn't make them angels, it makes them dangerous. There are certain lifestyles that are toxic and should not be acceptable. It's not about partying, it's about populism, violence, and aggression as well as the lack of vocabulary, syntax, and humanism. Your doubt about TL members is unwarranted, unscientific and therefore unpublishable. Again, this isn't the only group that shares those traits, you may as well be speaking of all those affected by poverty. I fail to see how being excessively tolerant makes them any more dangerous that being excessively intolerant. With these people's emphasis on family, one could argue that they fuel humanism. Again, I ask, what about them makes you so upset? Emphasis on family is not humanist, not in anyway. Especially considering that the family that emphasis is on is anti-intellectual for both being religious fanatics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wraith:_Shangri-La) and populists. For the people affected by poverty, those people were born into povery, juggalos are not born (regardless of what they might say). Being excessively tolerant or intolerant is bad because it's in excess. Excess is those cases is objectively bad. You are supposed to be intolerant of alcoholics, you should not tolerate that shit. You should also not tolerate this populism and religious zealotry. I don't know how many times I should say it, but these people are populists and religious fanatics. I feel that you're making a fair bit of assumptions because you have some odd sort of hate for this group of people. The Insane Clown Posse released a cd with a religious message and it makes every Juggalo a religious fanatic? How is populism anti-intellectual? How do you know that none of these people are born into and affected by poverty? I fail to see how any part of what they do celebrates anti-intellectualism (other than what I've stated previously) or how they act like 'religious zealots'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualismSources of Anti-intellectualism: Religion, Authoritarianism, and Populism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insane_Clown_Posse#SpiritualityThere are juggalos that have their every thought and movement affected by their religion. That makes them zealots or fanatics. It's similar to the difference between Zionists and Jews and Islamists and Muslims, there are Juggalists. Is there a 100% spread of Juggalism amongst Juggalos? Definitely not, but the original band are Juggalists or at least fake Juggalists trying to move their brand. That makes the ideal form Juggalists, as the original is that way.
You're having a pretty strong opinion considering we're talking about some small subculture (20.000 people at the yearly festival? That's comparable to 5k people over here and that just sounds like peanuts), when you could as well interchange every Juggalo by Republican and every Juggalist by Republic Base (or Tea Party or Redneck) and your post would make exactly as much sense as before.
There are always extremists in every kind of movement that make all the other people look retarded.
It's a subculture of young people doing what those subcultures tend to do. Separating themselves, bonding in their group, acting selfishly, setting up some pretty extreme ideals to believe into. Mountains and molehills 
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On October 02 2011 21:09 sigma_x wrote:
I think that the anti-intellectualism associated with that band is probably no more than any other similar group However, on the broader point of 'anti-intellectualism', it is a worrying sign in the US where in no less than a year we have seen the shutting down of the Tevatron and the shutting down of Nasa's space shuttle program.
It's not all bad. While the shuttle may me gone, we're going back to the moon!
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2011/09/sls-mission-improving-crewed-moon-mission-2019/
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On October 03 2011 07:07 KiaL.Kiwi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 06:51 Hnnngg wrote:On October 03 2011 06:46 ICarrotU wrote:On October 03 2011 06:32 Hnnngg wrote:On October 03 2011 06:25 ICarrotU wrote:On October 03 2011 06:18 Hnnngg wrote:On October 03 2011 06:12 ICarrotU wrote:On October 03 2011 06:03 Hnnngg wrote:On October 03 2011 05:53 Silver_Thor wrote:
As for the attack on Tila Tequila yes it was a bit much but she brought the incident on herself, she was insulting the fans before going on stage, was told not to go on, and refused originally to leave the stage when security asked her to because she wanted to show her boobs off
So attack her? Right? That makes sense, bring a child up in that environment. We should also hurl our own excrement like apes (oh ha, I already mentioned this) at her. It's all excusable because she insulted us and was told to not go in front of the excrement-hurling apes. I guess that makes sense, people would tell you it's foolish to jump into a Gorilla habitat at the zoo and expose your breasts and sing like Tila Tequila. Then again, those people are human and their actions are inexcusable, regardless of how much Tila was warned how populistic those "people" are. You sure sound like you have an axe to grind with juggalos, did they pick on you in school or something? There's plenty of 'stupid' cultures/groups out there, this isn't special. I wouldn't necessarily say they're celebrating anti-intellectualism, it's not as if a majority of University students don't party just as hard. As far as I can tell, they seem to be a rather accepting bunch (save for the tila tequila thing, but she knew the risks) for being a bunch of tweakers/alcoholics. In the end, life's just about having a good time and enjoying it, I doubt even 1% of the users of TL have made or will make a significant change in the world for the better, and these juggalos are no different. I went to a private school, Juggalo's couldn't afford to get in. Being excessively tolerant doesn't make them angels, it makes them dangerous. There are certain lifestyles that are toxic and should not be acceptable. It's not about partying, it's about populism, violence, and aggression as well as the lack of vocabulary, syntax, and humanism. Your doubt about TL members is unwarranted, unscientific and therefore unpublishable. Again, this isn't the only group that shares those traits, you may as well be speaking of all those affected by poverty. I fail to see how being excessively tolerant makes them any more dangerous that being excessively intolerant. With these people's emphasis on family, one could argue that they fuel humanism. Again, I ask, what about them makes you so upset? Emphasis on family is not humanist, not in anyway. Especially considering that the family that emphasis is on is anti-intellectual for both being religious fanatics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wraith:_Shangri-La) and populists. For the people affected by poverty, those people were born into povery, juggalos are not born (regardless of what they might say). Being excessively tolerant or intolerant is bad because it's in excess. Excess is those cases is objectively bad. You are supposed to be intolerant of alcoholics, you should not tolerate that shit. You should also not tolerate this populism and religious zealotry. I don't know how many times I should say it, but these people are populists and religious fanatics. I feel that you're making a fair bit of assumptions because you have some odd sort of hate for this group of people. The Insane Clown Posse released a cd with a religious message and it makes every Juggalo a religious fanatic? How is populism anti-intellectual? How do you know that none of these people are born into and affected by poverty? I fail to see how any part of what they do celebrates anti-intellectualism (other than what I've stated previously) or how they act like 'religious zealots'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualismSources of Anti-intellectualism: Religion, Authoritarianism, and Populism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insane_Clown_Posse#SpiritualityThere are juggalos that have their every thought and movement affected by their religion. That makes them zealots or fanatics. It's similar to the difference between Zionists and Jews and Islamists and Muslims, there are Juggalists. Is there a 100% spread of Juggalism amongst Juggalos? Definitely not, but the original band are Juggalists or at least fake Juggalists trying to move their brand. That makes the ideal form Juggalists, as the original is that way. You're having a pretty strong opinion considering we're talking about some small subculture (20.000 people at the yearly festival? That's comparable to 5k people over here and that just sounds like peanuts), when you could as well interchange every Juggalo by Republican and every Juggalist by Republic Base (or Tea Party or Redneck) and your post would make exactly as much sense as before. There are always extremists in every kind of movement that make all the other people look retarded. It's a subculture of young people doing what those subcultures tend to do. Separating themselves, bonding in their group, acting selfishly, setting up some pretty extreme ideals to believe into. Mountains and molehills
All my opinions are strong. I don't see the worth of having weak opinions. The number of people doesn't matter to me, I don't care if it's 20,000 or 1,000,000. It's bad no matter how big or small it is.
The difference between other groups is the originator. The original republican would not be an example of the Republican Base, or Tea Party or whatever. The extremists in this movement are the original example.
This is a molehill, at least on a scale of Juggalos to non-Juggalos. But if we look into ideals and that their acceptable within this culture, but also in other cultures, then we have the problem. This would be the absolute easiest group to start with because of their size, history, and creation.
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On October 03 2011 07:18 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 07:07 KiaL.Kiwi wrote:On October 03 2011 06:51 Hnnngg wrote:On October 03 2011 06:46 ICarrotU wrote:On October 03 2011 06:32 Hnnngg wrote:On October 03 2011 06:25 ICarrotU wrote:On October 03 2011 06:18 Hnnngg wrote:On October 03 2011 06:12 ICarrotU wrote:On October 03 2011 06:03 Hnnngg wrote:On October 03 2011 05:53 Silver_Thor wrote:
As for the attack on Tila Tequila yes it was a bit much but she brought the incident on herself, she was insulting the fans before going on stage, was told not to go on, and refused originally to leave the stage when security asked her to because she wanted to show her boobs off
So attack her? Right? That makes sense, bring a child up in that environment. We should also hurl our own excrement like apes (oh ha, I already mentioned this) at her. It's all excusable because she insulted us and was told to not go in front of the excrement-hurling apes. I guess that makes sense, people would tell you it's foolish to jump into a Gorilla habitat at the zoo and expose your breasts and sing like Tila Tequila. Then again, those people are human and their actions are inexcusable, regardless of how much Tila was warned how populistic those "people" are. You sure sound like you have an axe to grind with juggalos, did they pick on you in school or something? There's plenty of 'stupid' cultures/groups out there, this isn't special. I wouldn't necessarily say they're celebrating anti-intellectualism, it's not as if a majority of University students don't party just as hard. As far as I can tell, they seem to be a rather accepting bunch (save for the tila tequila thing, but she knew the risks) for being a bunch of tweakers/alcoholics. In the end, life's just about having a good time and enjoying it, I doubt even 1% of the users of TL have made or will make a significant change in the world for the better, and these juggalos are no different. I went to a private school, Juggalo's couldn't afford to get in. Being excessively tolerant doesn't make them angels, it makes them dangerous. There are certain lifestyles that are toxic and should not be acceptable. It's not about partying, it's about populism, violence, and aggression as well as the lack of vocabulary, syntax, and humanism. Your doubt about TL members is unwarranted, unscientific and therefore unpublishable. Again, this isn't the only group that shares those traits, you may as well be speaking of all those affected by poverty. I fail to see how being excessively tolerant makes them any more dangerous that being excessively intolerant. With these people's emphasis on family, one could argue that they fuel humanism. Again, I ask, what about them makes you so upset? Emphasis on family is not humanist, not in anyway. Especially considering that the family that emphasis is on is anti-intellectual for both being religious fanatics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wraith:_Shangri-La) and populists. For the people affected by poverty, those people were born into povery, juggalos are not born (regardless of what they might say). Being excessively tolerant or intolerant is bad because it's in excess. Excess is those cases is objectively bad. You are supposed to be intolerant of alcoholics, you should not tolerate that shit. You should also not tolerate this populism and religious zealotry. I don't know how many times I should say it, but these people are populists and religious fanatics. I feel that you're making a fair bit of assumptions because you have some odd sort of hate for this group of people. The Insane Clown Posse released a cd with a religious message and it makes every Juggalo a religious fanatic? How is populism anti-intellectual? How do you know that none of these people are born into and affected by poverty? I fail to see how any part of what they do celebrates anti-intellectualism (other than what I've stated previously) or how they act like 'religious zealots'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualismSources of Anti-intellectualism: Religion, Authoritarianism, and Populism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insane_Clown_Posse#SpiritualityThere are juggalos that have their every thought and movement affected by their religion. That makes them zealots or fanatics. It's similar to the difference between Zionists and Jews and Islamists and Muslims, there are Juggalists. Is there a 100% spread of Juggalism amongst Juggalos? Definitely not, but the original band are Juggalists or at least fake Juggalists trying to move their brand. That makes the ideal form Juggalists, as the original is that way. You're having a pretty strong opinion considering we're talking about some small subculture (20.000 people at the yearly festival? That's comparable to 5k people over here and that just sounds like peanuts), when you could as well interchange every Juggalo by Republican and every Juggalist by Republic Base (or Tea Party or Redneck) and your post would make exactly as much sense as before. There are always extremists in every kind of movement that make all the other people look retarded. It's a subculture of young people doing what those subcultures tend to do. Separating themselves, bonding in their group, acting selfishly, setting up some pretty extreme ideals to believe into. Mountains and molehills All my opinions are strong. I don't see the worth of having weak opinions.
Could you elaborate on that?
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Did everyone in this thread miss the fact that this is all just a big joke? I'm usually not one to poop on a discussion, but I think arguing about the origin of populism in the juggalo subculture is just a little... I dunno retarded? Not smoking while pregnant retarded, but still pretty dumb.
To me it just seems like anyone who truly believes that by hammering out the details of the flaws of juggaloism, they are somehow doing this planet some great service, is more dangerous, and more deluded than any face painted juggalo.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Watching intelligent people vapidly debate shit that it's obvious nobody gives two fucks about is more unsettling to me then seeing some dude with a mid eighties IQ huffing whipits in his campsite.
Let's be honest. A lot of these people never had any potential to begin with, and by virtue of that fact no potential is being wasted. The Juggalo Carnival is like an attraction where you have to be "At least this stupid" just to ride. Juggaloism isn't attracting America's best and brightest future leaders of tomorrow. Our Ivy League schools aren't plagued by juggalos. It's a special club for those vestigal hominids who still linger among us like shadows of our evolutionary past.
Am I somehow alarmed that above all odds two fat dudes who have no talent somehow figured out a way to preach acceptance and unconditional love to the bottom sector of society? Nope, not really. I almost think in some kind of strange way it was a badass thing to do.
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People have been getting fucked up and doing stupid shit for literally millennia.
Labeling it as something uniquely American and using it as a platform to further anti-American agendas is pretty blatant.
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