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Macpo
453 Posts
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
These protest weren't anti-gypsy. The anti-gypsy waves came later, with planted provocateurs in peaceful protests, and are just government trying to ride it into the coming elections. The elections are less than a month away. The amount of anti-racist drivel that's being spewed unfoundedly is staggering, especially when my countrymen are painted more or less as massively racist, when they had a legitimate gripe with a single family is staggering. | ||
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vasatko2
Czech Republic28 Posts
On September 29 2011 07:22 Macpo wrote: This whole thread is racist... Please Teamliquid do something. Such garbage really doesn't help much TL's image. Exactly, poor gypsies are rasistic towerds Bulgarians who work for them, feed them maybe Bulgarians could become regular slaves for them don't you think | ||
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ene13
50 Posts
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Bigpet
Germany533 Posts
-People with a legitimate concern. -Racist people. -Over political correct crowd which attributes ALL the blame for the situation on the non-roma. | ||
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Josealtron
United States219 Posts
Sigh. Why does hate always have to be the strongest? | ||
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HereticSaint
United States240 Posts
On September 29 2011 07:26 Nikon wrote: Let me reiterate just one last time. These protest weren't anti-gypsy. The anti-gypsy waves came later, with planted provocateurs in peaceful protests, and are just government trying to ride it into the coming elections. The elections are less than a month away. The amount of anti-racist drivel that's being spewed unfoundedly is staggering, especially when my countrymen are painted more or less as massively racist, when they had a legitimate gripe with a single family is staggering. Maybe the initial protests weren't racially motivated, but that's where it led. "I disagree with you, therefore I'm going to call what you are saying stupid.". Yeah, people only suggested executing them through terrorist methods, mass deporting of them to God knows where, judging by the average poster on your side of the boat they'd prefer the middle of the ocean. I watched that 50~ minute documentary about gangs earlier. If anything, that paired with the posts in this thread tell me that there is an extreme amount of racism directed towards roma, so much so that I very legitimately see why they don't want to integrate themselves into your school system and further your workplaces, they take the welfare they are given because to not do so would mean they would all have to steal and murder. People also like to point out specific things like, "Oh, this one gypsy is selling their daughter!" Like that somehow all of a sudden makes all gypsies that way. I do enjoy the constant reiteration throughout this thread that 95%, 99%, 99.9% of them are evil, thieving, murderers though. It is racist, by the way, because gypsy is commonly used to refer to them as a whole, even the ones who aren't bad. This thread doesn't have a bunch of people going, "I don't like all the pick pockets here." or, "I don't like all the murderers here.", or "I don't like all the gangs here." They say someone higher up who isn't a gypsy is pulling the strings and quite frankly I wouldn't be at all surprised if that were entirely true. The racism is strong in this thread and is even displayed by a mod, which is a little baffling. Edit: If TL takes a stand so that racism is okay as long as it's backed up by factual studies (Which I still haven't actually seen one about gypsies, just videos which really proved nothing) then there should be an announcement. Because I could point to factual studies that would basically, "allow" for racism directed towards other races if this became the case. It's not like there are a lot of options for what can be done either, they improve their efforts (in which case that also means you wait for them to do so, if that even happens), you improve your efforts (by fighting against, "racism"), or they are expelled/massacred. | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On September 29 2011 07:58 HereticSaint wrote: Maybe the initial protests weren't racially motivated, but that's where it led. "I disagree with you, therefore I'm going to call what you are saying stupid.". Yeah, people only suggested executing them through terrorist methods, mass deporting of them to God knows where, judging by the average poster on your side of the boat they'd prefer the middle of the ocean. I watched that 50~ minute documentary about gangs earlier. If anything, that paired with the posts in this thread tell me that there is an extreme amount of racism directed towards roma, so much so that I very legitimately see why they don't want to integrate themselves into your school system and further your workplaces, they take the welfare they are given because to not do so would mean they would all have to steal and murder. The racism is strong in this thread and is even displayed by a mod, which is a little baffling. What could I possibly say to you? You're removed from the situation so far, that even when I type it out for you, you can not grasp it. And then you just called me a racist and everything and everything is ok. The part that I struck out? It's not even fucking relevant - the gypsies are just benefiting from a broken government. Nothing more, nothing less. | ||
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
If someone, who is the same race as you are, was stealing from you - you would also hate him. So why can't i hate those people without being called racist... | ||
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HereticSaint
United States240 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:07 Nikon wrote: What could I possibly say to you? You're removed from the situation so far, that even when I type it out for you, you can not grasp it. And then you just called me a racist and everything and everything is ok. The part that I struck out? It's not even fucking relevant - the gypsies are just benefiting from a broken government. Nothing more, nothing less. It's relevant because people posted about it in this thread and I am responding to them regarding it. It's relevant because people are saying they aren't being racist. But keep on thinking whatever the hell you want from your perch up there. I don't think watching a 50 minute documentary (Plus some of the other videos posted here) as well as all the comments makes me an expert, but it does give me enough evidence to say that the gypsies are hardly given a fair shot from integrating into society without extreme prejudice directed towards them in the process, so much so that they decide against it. | ||
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
On September 29 2011 06:39 lololol wrote: "What the fuck is up with the prejudice regarding"... nazis? Why are you hating on nazism? That's racist! There were nazi musicians, smiths and artists, so nazism is perfectly fine and people that complain about nazism are racists. Replace nazi and nazism with gypsy and gypsy culture. Suddenly, the "arguments" magically become valid! Damn racist bigots hating on nazis! In before "they haven't killed enough people to be compared to the nazis, even though I just compared gypsies being given free apartments and education to genocide". I love you. Also - pepole who don't read the thread and just call everyone racist amaze me, every single time. | ||
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Switchy
343 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:09 Ricjames wrote: Please just imagine how would things work if the word racism and it's meaning never existed. It woud be just a comon hate towards something (in this case group of people) that are commiting crime and stealing from other people directly and stealing from states by not paying taxes and just living on welfare. You offer them work and they don't accept cause they don't want to work. Why do all people have to work and pay taxes and they can only fuck, make kids and commit crime?? Everyone who says: "wtf i hate this bullshit" is concerned racist. I wish the word racism was never used connected to gypsies issue. If someone, who is the same race as you are, was stealing from you - you would also hate him. So why can't i hate those people without being called racist... Indeed, i would say the political correctness enforced on people these days is just as bad as racism. | ||
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Bigpet
Germany533 Posts
On September 29 2011 07:58 HereticSaint wrote: I watched that 50~ minute documentary about gangs earlier. If anything, that paired with the posts in this thread tell me that there is an extreme amount of racism directed towards roma, so much so that I very legitimately see why they don't want to integrate themselves into your school system and further your workplaces, they take the welfare they are given because to not do so would mean they would all have to steal and murder. Again, there is racism in this thread. There are very inflated numbers being spewed around, like 95% unemployment which is not true. However you seem to lump the people that have a legitimate concern about the problems that a part of the roma people cause. In the documentary you saw people being offered help. Only a small percentage took the help. Most people in this thread don't have a problem with the Roma that actually try to get out of their ghettos (for which they are ostracized by the Roma that live there). Some were offered free shelter and food with the sole obligation of sending their children to school and even then one family still couldn't refrain from sending their kids to steal instead of to school. Yes, Racism is part of the problem. But to imply that there is no problem endemic to parts of the Roma culture is just as ignorant as wanting to burn all of them at the stake. | ||
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:10 HereticSaint wrote: I don't think watching a 50 minute documentary (Plus some of the other videos posted here) as well as all the comments makes me an expert, but it does give me enough evidence to say that the gypsies are hardly given a fair shot from integrating into society without extreme prejudice directed towards them in the process, so much so that they decide against it. It doesn't mean you are right though, certainly you are free to say it. I mainly object to your 'so that they decide against it' because you don't know their thought process, and word extreme combined with prejudice - because while prejudice exist, I don't see it as extreme. As evidenced by the fact that a lot from that culture that chose to integrate, manage. | ||
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vasatko2
Czech Republic28 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:10 HereticSaint wrote: It's relevant because people posted about it in this thread and I am responding to them regarding it. It's relevant because people are saying they aren't being racist. But keep on thinking whatever the hell you want from your perch up there. I don't think watching a 50 minute documentary (Plus some of the other videos posted here) as well as all the comments makes me an expert, but it does give me enough evidence to say that the gypsies are hardly given a fair shot from integrating into society without extreme prejudice directed towards them in the process, so much so that they decide against it. ok a simple question Do you think that i am a rasist if i don't like people who steal and parasitate on me? | ||
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Slegg
Czech Republic75 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:10 HereticSaint wrote: It's relevant because people posted about it in this thread and I am responding to them regarding it. It's relevant because people are saying they aren't being racist. But keep on thinking whatever the hell you want from your perch up there Read the bolded sentence. You are the one who has no idea what we are talking about. Notice everyone here from the affected countries understands that and only the countries that have dont have the issue connect this to racism. Everyone from the affected countries understands the hate isnt towards the race (though it will affect the "good gypsies"). We hate the thieves. We try to not hate the ones that act with respect towards our rules. The italian guy who said "kill them all" is a racist. We have people like that, they are a minority, just like actual racists you experience in the US against blacks/mexicans/whatever. | ||
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HereticSaint
United States240 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:14 Bigpet wrote: Again, there is racism in this thread. There are very inflated numbers being spewed around, like 95% unemployment which is not true. However you seem to lump the people that have a legitimate concern about the problems that a part of the roma people cause. In the documentary you saw people being offered help. Only a small percentage took the help. Most people in this thread don't have a problem with the Roma that actually try to get out of their ghettos (for which they are ostracized by the Roma that live there). Some were offered free shelter and food with the sole obligation of sending their children to school and even then one family still couldn't refrain from sending their kids to steal instead of to school. Yes, Racism is part of the problem. But to imply that there is no problem endemic to parts of the Roma culture is just as ignorant as wanting to burn all of them at the stake. I'm not saying none of it is because of the Roma, to do so would be ignorant. However at the same time from a neutral view point taking the information given to me there are some incredible bigots in this thread, the kind that would be almost impossible to find but in the most backwater cities in America. My point being there's not going to be an influx of Roma posters coming to defend themselves, so trying to counteract the most extreme views so there can be a more reasonable approach about the discussion on how to fix the issue is I think the best position I can take. Of course some people say there is no solution except the Roma trying harder and if that is true then we can only wait and there isn't much reason for discussion as it'll just lead to racism. On September 29 2011 08:16 vasatko2 wrote: ok a simple question Do you think that i am a rasist if i don't like people who steal and parasitate on me? It depends on the context. If you truly hate someone who steals from you to feed their family as they may have no other way then I have issue with you. I understand you earned or were given what you have and it's yours, but people need to realize there are people on the other end as well. Sure, some of the time these are terrible people who deserve to be imprisoned or worse but acting as if they all should be is wrong. I don't go on a rant about how everyone on welfare in the US should be ostracized and if I were to have something stolen from me by a minority trying to feed their family, yes I would be pissed off that I had something stolen from me, but at the same time I wouldn't want them to die and I wouldn't start condemning all people from that minorities group. | ||
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seitn
Finland27 Posts
On September 27 2011 22:19 drdreggor wrote: The only way of dealing with narrow minded rasists who plauge our society with their ignorance and non exisiting sympathy is to grab a gun and KILL THEM ALL!! See how your statement is provoking and not so thought out? I can recognize that you have a problem with gypsies in your country but how can you not see the relation between your hatred for a specific group of people with previously done human cleansing etc. You think that gypsies are murderers and thieves, I think that most other races have that too, but that doesn't mean we should murder them. Because of mentality like yours the swedish police is at war with criminal immigrants | ||
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HereticSaint
United States240 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:21 seitn wrote: Because of mentality like yours the swedish police is at war with criminal immigrants There will be criminal immigrants even if you started executing illegal immigrants on the spot. That isn't a solution, I realize nothing is 100%, but to act as if murdering them is the answer is just ridiculous. | ||
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gullberg
Sweden1301 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:21 seitn wrote: Because of mentality like yours the swedish police is at war with criminal immigrants Oh boy here we go. This thread has become a complete clusterfuck of ignorance, racist comments and proof of Godwins law. | ||
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