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On September 27 2011 21:23 craz3d wrote:
Yes, the western European powers are hypocritical, but then again no country wants scum like these.
How is this post not racist?
On the subject, I believe after having studied the subject in relation to my own country (Denmark) That Roma's as a minority is hugely discriminated in every way. It is as if people have inherited the belief that most "gypsies" / roma people choose to live the way they do, because it is part of their culture, and with the belief of a choice comes the idea that we can discriminate them with no repercussions at all. We view them as though they are all alike and act similarly, which is, very untrue and very judgmental.
However they don't have a choice and in most countries are treated as lesser people in all ways, which is wrong and illegal. It is really disturbing to me that a person will rage if they hear about blacks /jews / arabs being discriminated, only to go on and call "gypsies" scum, now THAT is hypocritical.
talk about the roma / gypsie issue? Well we are the issue, in not providing these people with the basic rights they deserve as humans, and for judging them based on prejudices and general cultural ideas.
Personally i think the descision to compensate in this situation is not only "right" it is the only thing to do. We can not allow for people to start to think that some people somehow deserve to be treated different because of their race or ethnicity.
think people.... THINK! *sigh*
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Also most pro racism people in this thread seem to bring up single events as proof that all Romas are thieves, rapists, murderers and evil in general.
Seems like you are a real humanist. It is not a single event. This event only started something that was escalating for years. And again nobody is generalizating all gypsies.
If "stealing, pickpocketing and other shady things" are indeed integrated into their culture, then ask yourself why?.
Answer: Because it's far easy for them and they get more money from that (and because they are lazy is fuck)
You didn't watch that video don't you?Because those gypsies were saying this there.
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On September 29 2011 05:46 TWIX_Heaven wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 21:23 craz3d wrote:
Yes, the western European powers are hypocritical, but then again no country wants scum like these. How is this post not racist? On the subject, I believe after having studied the subject in relation to my own country (Denmark) That Roma's as a minority is hugely discriminated in every way. It is as if people have inherited the belief that most "gypsies" / roma people choose to live the way they do, because it is part of their culture, and with the belief of a choice comes the idea that we can discriminate them with no repercussions at all. We view them as though they are all alike and act similarly, which is, very untrue and very judgmental. However they don't have a choice and in most countries are treated as lesser people in all ways, which is wrong and illegal. It is really disturbing to me that a person will rage if they hear about blacks /jews / arabs being discriminated, only to go on and call "gypsies" scum, now THAT is hypocritical. talk about the roma / gypsie issue? Well we are the issue, in not providing these people with the basic rights they deserve as humans, and for judging them based on prejudices and general cultural ideas. Personally i think the descision to compensate in this situation is not only "right" it is the only thing to do. We can not allow for people to start to think that some people somehow deserve to be treated different because of their race or ethnicity. think people.... THINK! *sigh*
All is nice and dandy but you must look at all sides of the issue here. These people are illiterate, non-working, non-tax-paying. Don't know about other countries but here in Poland their usual income sources include: begging (they've even got entire organized beggar networks), pickpocketing, fortune telling and the like.
I have absolutely nothing against immigrants, as long as they bring something positive to the society (even if it's just simple workforce). Romas don't. Add to that their reputation (most of which is true) and you've got a pretty good target for public hate.
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On September 29 2011 05:46 TWIX_Heaven wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 21:23 craz3d wrote:
Yes, the western European powers are hypocritical, but then again no country wants scum like these. How is this post not racist? On the subject, I believe after having studied the subject in relation to my own country (Denmark) That Roma's as a minority is hugely discriminated in every way. It is as if people have inherited the belief that most "gypsies" / roma people choose to live the way they do, because it is part of their culture, and with the belief of a choice comes the idea that we can discriminate them with no repercussions at all. We view them as though they are all alike and act similarly, which is, very untrue and very judgmental. However they don't have a choice and in most countries are treated as lesser people in all ways, which is wrong and illegal. It is really disturbing to me that a person will rage if they hear about blacks /jews / arabs being discriminated, only to go on and call "gypsies" scum, now THAT is hypocritical. talk about the roma / gypsie issue? Well we are the issue, in not providing these people with the basic rights they deserve as humans, and for judging them based on prejudices and general cultural ideas. Personally i think the descision to compensate in this situation is not only "right" it is the only thing to do. We can not allow for people to start to think that some people somehow deserve to be treated different because of their race or ethnicity. think people.... THINK! *sigh*
How do you know if a person is a Roma? Can you tell me?
Not providing them with the basic rights? You have got to be kidding me, i'll consider this a joke. (hint : they have the same rights as everyone else)
People in this thread still think that race even matters here, jesus christ. It's been explained too many times already, dont wanna do it again, look at the last 20 pages or so.
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On September 29 2011 05:56 vasatko2 wrote:Show nested quote +Also most pro racism people in this thread seem to bring up single events as proof that all Romas are thieves, rapists, murderers and evil in general. Seems like you are a real humanist. It is not a single event. This event only started something that was escalating for years. And again nobody is generalizating all gypsies. Show nested quote +If "stealing, pickpocketing and other shady things" are indeed integrated into their culture, then ask yourself why?. Answer: Because it's far easy for them and they get more money from that (and because they are lazy is fuck) You didn't watch that video don't you?Because those gypsies were saying this there.
Also because they are run like a criminal international enterprise, where constant small crime by children are used to generate profit for the leaders, and everyone at the lowest level make some money, but don't keep much if anything of it.
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On September 29 2011 05:19 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 04:56 Thorakh wrote:On September 29 2011 04:50 Euronyme wrote:On September 29 2011 02:26 tomatriedes wrote:Anyone who thinks there's absolutely nothing wrong with these Gypsy clans and anyone who criticizes them is racist should watch the entirety of this video that was posted earlier: http://www.megavideo.com/?v=HUB1YBODSeriously, watch it. Some highlights include: Selling off 12 year old daughters for marriage, forcing children as young as 10 to beg and steal all day, keeping children locked up at night as slaves etc. Seriously saying someone is racist for criticizing these things is as stupid as calling someone racist against Italians for criticizing the Mafia. See that's the thing though. You can't critizise all Italians for the mafia, which is what you're trying to do. All Romas don't do that stuff. Condemn criminals, not cultures or races. If you do something illegal you should be punished, regardless of your background. Why do you even have to bring in the fact that they happen to be Romas? It's irrelevant. Because apparently stealing, pickpocketing and other shady things are integrated into their culture. At the end of the video even a gypsy mafia boss agrees that this cannot continue any longer. He says the gypsy children should go to school and study, not roam the streets trying to rob people. Stealing, begging and being involved in the mafia isn't part of the Italian culture, just like it isn't part of the African American culture. Evidently it is part of the gypsy culture and therefore the gypsy culture is bad. The Roma people are not inherently bad, no race is. Their culture is bad. Discriminating against Roma is racism, discriminating against gypsies is not (if gypsy = culture and Roma = ethnicity). I am confident that there are great parts to gypsy culture, but some things are rotten about it and should be taken care of. Just because they have good traits doesn't mean nothing bad should be said about the culture. That video is really amazing by the way. Well FYI Roma and Gypsy is the same thing. Gypsy would be the equivilant of calling someone a nigger. I just get goose bumps when someone says overarching things about huge amount of people, as if they had a clue. Also most pro racism people in this thread seem to bring up single events as proof that all Romas are thieves, rapists, murderers and evil in general. If "stealing, pickpocketing and other shady things" are indeed integrated into their culture, then ask yourself why?. Maybe because they've been hunted down, force sterelized no longer than 30 years ago, had their ears cut off, been enslaved etc etc. This has systematically been going on in Europe for the past 700+ years. There are famous musicians, smiths and artist among the Roma people. These "cultural differences" are exactly what was the standpoint behind the genocides during ww2. How can generalizing culture groups possible be defendable? Please answere my question as well. If you don't like thieves and murderers, why do you have to bring in an entire group of people as responsible for these actions? (I highly doubt all murderers and thieves in any country are Romas, even though that's appearantly what you want me to believe). Why isn't it enough to say that murder and theft is bad and we have to do something about problems with increased criminality?
id say considering your PMs and posts you have very little understanding about the specific gypsy issue youre just opposing against racism in general, which is a good thing, i opposing myself aswell. nothing hurts more the progress of the solution than right wingers.
for example in hungary there is a term gypsy-crime which is popularized by right wingers. most people denied the fact its exist because the term itself racist and segregating. the thing is there is special cases of crimes where the offenders 99% are gypsy. for example committing (armed) robbery or and assault for very little value, like a 50-100$ cellphone and some cash. or loaning out money with stellar (100-200%) interest rate. [most gypsys obv. dont get along from welfare because they already owe these people and their money being taken by the collectors in front of the post office where they receive it]...
now as talking about the case being constantly ignored people starting to get fed up, and some radicalists already took action. a group of man started random killings in the side of gypsy villages. they got caught, but murdered several gypsys, based on pure chace. who happened to live there. this is obviously as horrible as it could get.
you have to accept if a lot of people have problem with them, because labeling them as racist and not listening their reasons / accepting their points is only hurting the progress of the solution and indeed already leaded to terrible things.
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Ok, i have to post some sort response, some sort of reply to all this shit. I cant think of any good ways to describe the ignorance and racism going on in this thread, and i posted my first reply without having read through the entire thing..... but i will try nevertheless to be somewhat collected and composed when replying now here again.......
First of all, is it ok on TeamLiquid to call a group of people (minority/race/religion) scum? Or is that only if talking about the generally accepted minorities that through history have proved they deserve our guilt and pitty? If not i suggest the ban hammer rolls, because the general oppinion of a lot of people (sadly too many) in this thread seems to belief that "gypsies" are scum... sigh.
Second, What the fuck is up with the prejudice regarding this issue, and the apparent accept of this? "They choose this way" "It is a part of their way of life" "They steal, kill and live of welfare" ect ect ect....... what the hell people? are YOU a "gypsy"? how the fuck do you know, and what the hell gives you the right to speak on their behalf!
Numerous studies (especially in europe) show that the treatment they get by being in contact with officials gives a pretty good idea of why they do not want to be a part of it (forced abortion, forced sterilization - yes this still happens, no rights, harassment and several other issues).
Thirdly the whole "you cant compare this to the Nazi exterminations of Jews, the Jews didn't do anything to deserve it, the gypsies do" - well what the fuck. Do you think Hitler just said, well i do not like Jews, therefore we must eradicate them? Of course fucking not, they too where considered a plague, they "took the hard-working Germans jobs, they stole, they cheated, they were a lower race, they ate their children and feasted on poor Germans!" These were what Germans at the time thought ( or at least the Nazis did - not every German was Nazi, but you knew that right???? RIGHT????) And so they justified their hatred and channelled their wrong opinion of human life, which led to the death of millions and the suffering of even more.
What exactly is different in the various statements in this thread? That is right there are none! You should be ashamed of yourselves to even try and justify these "facts"!
Finally, their is a problem yes, but this is not cultural, it is not a choice and most true of all, it is not up to "them" to fix it. Now, you might say, It is cultural, choice and "their" fault, but that is just generalizing, like I did, only I did it in a positive way!
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I am truly sad and truly disgusted.... And a little astonished at the moderation of this thread, as if "some racism is ok, just keep it low-key" wtf....
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"What the fuck is up with the prejudice regarding"... nazis?
Why are you hating on nazism? That's racist!
There were nazi musicians, smiths and artists, so nazism is perfectly fine and people that complain about nazism are racists.
Replace nazi and nazism with gypsy and gypsy culture.
Suddenly, the "arguments" magically become valid!
Damn racist bigots hating on nazis!
In before "they haven't killed enough people to be compared to the nazis, even though I just compared gypsies being given free apartments and education to genocide".
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it's quite funny to read all of these posts and the opinions from my westren friends in Canada and the US. I was born and raised in Canada and have visted Eastren Europe often to see family (actually I am in EU right now) and I honestly don't think people from the US and Canada understand who and what gypsies are and do. They are not anything like the Native Canadians or Americans.. not one bit. I am happy I live around what we call 'poverty' and 'crime' in Canada in regards to the Native people because it sure as hell is 50x better in Canada then the Roma here in East EU. For god sakes I seen a mother breast feeding.... a THREE YEAR OLD.... topless?!? Not to mention the kid had no pants on.... in the middle of a busy street? While her other kids begged for money and stole food from food stands.. I also seen a child around 6 or 7 years old smoking with his older brother... just blows my mind cause you dont see that here in the US or Canada. Its all quite sad sad sad...
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 29 2011 06:02 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 05:46 TWIX_Heaven wrote:On September 27 2011 21:23 craz3d wrote:
Yes, the western European powers are hypocritical, but then again no country wants scum like these. How is this post not racist? On the subject, I believe after having studied the subject in relation to my own country (Denmark) That Roma's as a minority is hugely discriminated in every way. It is as if people have inherited the belief that most "gypsies" / roma people choose to live the way they do, because it is part of their culture, and with the belief of a choice comes the idea that we can discriminate them with no repercussions at all. We view them as though they are all alike and act similarly, which is, very untrue and very judgmental. However they don't have a choice and in most countries are treated as lesser people in all ways, which is wrong and illegal. It is really disturbing to me that a person will rage if they hear about blacks /jews / arabs being discriminated, only to go on and call "gypsies" scum, now THAT is hypocritical. talk about the roma / gypsie issue? Well we are the issue, in not providing these people with the basic rights they deserve as humans, and for judging them based on prejudices and general cultural ideas. Personally i think the descision to compensate in this situation is not only "right" it is the only thing to do. We can not allow for people to start to think that some people somehow deserve to be treated different because of their race or ethnicity. think people.... THINK! *sigh*
How do you know if a person is a Roma? Can you tell me?
Not providing them with the basic rights? You have got to be kidding me, i'll consider this a joke. (hint : they have the same rights as everyone else)
People in this thread still think that race even matters here, jesus christ. It's been explained too many times already, dont wanna do it again, look at the last 20 pages or so.
First of all, yes Romas are identifiable, they share (those who are culturally and racially bound) a language which most research shows that it probably stems from indo european cultures. That they racially have an origin also has many supporting theories (read up on The Osman Empire and general history of indian/turkish influence on culture and language in the eastern europe around 1000-1300). Anyway, discussing whether or not "Roma's" are an actual minority or just a myth is quite unfathomable.
Second of all, no rights. Since their are many examples of Roma's Being treated as if their don't have any rights i will take an example which you might remember since you too seem to be from Denmark. Last year the Danish foreign administration decided to deport 23 Roma's without them having actually done anything. Now there was a lot of speculation on what they might have done and what they might could have done, but they were never put on trial or judged. Instead they were considered a threat to society and could therefore be deported without reason and could do so without ever getting to court. They later sued the Danish government and won. There are many more examples of these kinds of things happening (especially in France and Italy) So with that statement I will consider you attempt to disregard a valid point an utter joke as well.*
Thirdly i think this is a great example of the amount of ignorance in the world regarding "gypsies" and it just goes to show that people haven't got a clue.
*Read up on :
http://www.information.dk/240902
http://www.information.dk/telegram/239857
http://www.information.dk/238582
http://modkraft.dk/nyheder/article/amnesty-kritiserer-udvisning-af
(all articles are in danish)
again - Sigh
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Ok, i have to post some sort response, some sort of reply to all this shit. I cant think of any good ways to describe the ignorance and racism going on in this thread, and i posted my first reply without having read through the entire thing.....
PLEASE read the whole thread, then you will realise that the only one who is ignorant is you at this moment.
First of all, is it ok on TeamLiquid to call a group of people (minority/race/religion) scum?
It is OK to call people who destroy principles of socialization a scum or parasites or whatever you want.
Second, What the fuck is up with the prejudice regarding this issue, and the apparent accept of this? "They choose this way" "It is a part of their way of life" "They steal, kill and live of welfare" ect ect ect....... what the hell people? are YOU a "gypsy"? how the fuck do you know, and what the hell gives you the right to speak on their behalf!
The right gives us democracy and it seems like you never have never seen a problematic gypsy only that can justify your statement.
And i think ur rest of your post is full of emotions... that just blinds you view, get a soda to cool your head
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I have a relative who works taking care of prisoners... They have a workshop creating random stuff from orders they get.
He can indeed confirm that, even in prison with nothing else to do, eastern Europeans refuse to work. They just sit around doing nothing and talking shit. The other criminals have better work morals.
So the evidence from this small empirical sample is...
*Eastern European citizens
*Likes to travel to foreign countries
*Habit of committing crimes
I cannot say what ethnic group they descend from more specifically. But you can draw conclusions on your own.
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On September 29 2011 06:25 TWIX_Heaven wrote:
First of all, is it ok on TeamLiquid to call a group of people (minority/race/religion) scum?
Since when is it wrong to call thiefs scum?
On September 29 2011 06:25 TWIX_Heaven wrote:
Second, What the fuck is up with the prejudice regarding this issue, and the apparent accept of this? "They choose this way" "It is a part of their way of life" "They steal, kill and live of welfare" ect ect ect....... what the hell people? are YOU a "gypsy"? how the fuck do you know, and what the hell gives you the right to speak on their behalf!
how do we know.... well shit maybe because they live in our countries and we meet them on daily basis? Its not like its a minority of them that fail to act like a normal person, its the extreme majority.
Hint: Czech republic recently got a deal with Canada for something like a "green card" - meaning both the countries could travel and stay there without any big paperwork. It had to be cancelled because gypsies started traveling to Canada and applying their lifestyle there.
And thats just the tiny amount of gypsies that live in here and have enough money to fly there.
Also, please watch the documentary before you post any more comments.
Its easy for people who dont know them to flipout the racist card, comparing it to the situation blacks had in America.
The difference is that when you say most black people are thiefs and dont want to work is stupid as it is not true.
When you say most gypsies are thiefs and dont want to work you are stating the truth.
We wish we could convert them to our society, but we have given them homes many times and encourage them to get jobs but they CHOOSE to live of the social support/thievery.
Ofcourse, there are a few of them who want to work, and they do, but will probably face some prejudice because of the rest of their race. That is the real problem.
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On September 27 2011 21:26 aTnClouD wrote:
tbh the only way of dealing with the gypsies problem is becoming a terrorist and kill as many as you can. if you drive them out of your country they will inevitably plague another place and it's a culture that is not really fit for living along with any other.
User was temp banned for this post.
tbh the only way of dealing with the JEWS problem is becoming a terrorist and kill as many as you can. if you drive them out of your country they will inevitably plague another place and it's a culture that is not really fit for living along with any other.
You just sounded like that guy that wrote mein kampf... you really need some help.
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On September 28 2011 18:54 hgt1002 wrote:
discodancer, another all-knowing american.
district full of gypsys? and only 3 of them in school? =)))
a six grader cannot read (age of 12)? =)))
illegal borders crossing in the european union? =))))
"Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think."
I'm not American. Do you even read?
I assumed France deported them for being there illegally, I didn't know what law specifically they breached. Deportation was a legal act, go back and read the quotes I provided.
Why are you questioning stupid shit like a 6 grader who cannot read? We had 9 graders who could barely read and they were local white majority, just trash kids in general. If you are not old enough to know how post-soviet school system worked you shouldn't really argue. No one ever got kicked out of school. There was no option like that, only on paper.
Once again, I moved to US 7 years ago. I have no idea if Bulgarians and Romanians are allowed to freely cross European borders, back in a day people would laugh at the idea of letting Eastern European nations in PERIOD.
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On September 29 2011 06:25 TWIX_Heaven wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Ok, i have to post some sort response, some sort of reply to all this shit. I cant think of any good ways to describe the ignorance and racism going on in this thread, and i posted my first reply without having read through the entire thing..... but i will try nevertheless to be somewhat collected and composed when replying now here again.......
First of all, is it ok on TeamLiquid to call a group of people (minority/race/religion) scum? Or is that only if talking about the generally accepted minorities that through history have proved they deserve our guilt and pitty? If not i suggest the ban hammer rolls, because the general oppinion of a lot of people (sadly too many) in this thread seems to belief that "gypsies" are scum... sigh.
Second, What the fuck is up with the prejudice regarding this issue, and the apparent accept of this? "They choose this way" "It is a part of their way of life" "They steal, kill and live of welfare" ect ect ect....... what the hell people? are YOU a "gypsy"? how the fuck do you know, and what the hell gives you the right to speak on their behalf!
Numerous studies (especially in europe) show that the treatment they get by being in contact with officials gives a pretty good idea of why they do not want to be a part of it (forced abortion, forced sterilization - yes this still happens, no rights, harassment and several other issues).
Thirdly the whole "you cant compare this to the Nazi exterminations of Jews, the Jews didn't do anything to deserve it, the gypsies do" - well what the fuck. Do you think Hitler just said, well i do not like Jews, therefore we must eradicate them? Of course fucking not, they too where considered a plague, they "took the hard-working Germans jobs, they stole, they cheated, they were a lower race, they ate their children and feasted on poor Germans!" These were what Germans at the time thought ( or at least the Nazis did - not every German was Nazi, but you knew that right???? RIGHT????) And so they justified their hatred and channelled their wrong opinion of human life, which led to the death of millions and the suffering of even more.
What exactly is different in the various statements in this thread? That is right there are none! You should be ashamed of yourselves to even try and justify these "facts"!
Finally, their is a problem yes, but this is not cultural, it is not a choice and most true of all, it is not up to "them" to fix it. Now, you might say, It is cultural, choice and "their" fault, but that is just generalizing, like I did, only I did it in a positive way!
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I am truly sad and truly disgusted.... And a little astonished at the moderation of this thread, as if "some racism is ok, just keep it low-key" wtf....
I have to say that you have probably never ever ran into an incident with the true roma "gipsy" in your whole life. Otherwise you couldn't say anything like this. It is not about the race, it is about the lifestyle. I know some roms that are socially accepted, have jobs and have 2-3 children in a family. They are fine and they make good living with nobody saying bad things about them. Then you have families with 10 kids, none of the go to school (i would like to remind you that it is their choice, not that they could not go to school). Usually it is because they have to take care of their younger siblings, because their parents are too busy drinking and beling lazy fucks. These people make kids as their jobs, the more kids they have - more money they get. Also they send kids to steal from people, because law can't do anything against little kid stealing. Anytime people do fight their crimes...they call Racism all around the world......and you are defedning these people here. I recommend visiting their neighborhood somewhere, they basically live in thrash and it is not because they are poor, it is because they are lazy to even clean around themselves....
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On September 28 2011 19:09 pred470r wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 19:05 Boblion wrote:On September 28 2011 18:49 dakalro wrote:On September 28 2011 11:39 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:
Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here.
And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments. Yeah I have no idea about Eastern Europe even though I lived there for 19 years before moving to the US. Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think. I lived in a district full of gypsies and went to school with at least 3 of them. In 6th grade they couldn't read for shit but that's not the point, is it? I saw just as many local white majority kids selling stolen cellphones and getting shitfaced and hustling people for money. Don't exaggerate because someone like me will always call you out on your bullshit. End of story. And yeah, Sarkozy deported gypsies back to where they came from because they crossed the border illegally and if it was an illegal Bulgarian he would have been deported exactly the same way. Not because he is Bulgarian. There is no illegal border crossing anymore dude. France has no limitations on bulgarians/romanians going there for various purposes. Get a grip. They just got deported for being gypsies. At the current time there simply is no solution outside of forging each and every family to let their children get an education. And there just isn't enough police to force all of them. Romania and Bulgaria are not members of the Schengen Agreement. Just sayin' Well in a few months maybe in a year at max when the two countries become members of the agreement, what are the other countries gonna do when the gypsies finally have the legal rights to go wherever the fuck in Europe they want and start stealing/prostituting/drug-dealing/murdering/raping and all the other crimes they commit in our countries, what are the western governments gonna do then? You don't think that people won't start protests in your countries?
Haha, this turned out funny after all.
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On September 29 2011 07:10 discodancer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 18:54 hgt1002 wrote:
discodancer, another all-knowing american.
district full of gypsys? and only 3 of them in school? =)))
a six grader cannot read (age of 12)? =)))
illegal borders crossing in the european union? =))))
"Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think." back in a day people would laugh at the idea of letting Eastern European nations in PERIOD.
Wish this was true still... I don't like the concept of mixing totally different cultures. What good can come from having two parallel societies in the same country? Countries should be for cultural unification. Will be easier to retain their own values and have them supported by the host country.
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