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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
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HereticSaint
United States240 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:26 Nikon wrote: So, because other people in the thread say racist things, you think that I do too? Did you even read what I wrote or what? Fucking trolls man... You're right, because you are unable to understand my formatting and that my entire post isn't directed towards you I'm a troll. You are smart. | ||
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vasatko2
Czech Republic28 Posts
It depends on the context. If you truly hate someone who steals from you to feed their family as they may have no other way then I have issue with you. I understand you earned or were given what you have and it's yours, but people need to realize there are people on the other end as well. Sure, some of the time these are terrible people who deserve to be imprisoned or worse but acting as if they all should be is wrong They have other way, but they choosed to steal no matter what. (even if govement helps them to find a job and give wellfare) So tell me am i a rasist? if not then all the text you wrote is false | ||
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Josealtron
United States219 Posts
I've given up on this thread. It was stupid of me to believe that Europeans were any better than Americans when it came to hate and bigotry. American treatment of muslims, hispanics, gays, etc. is terrible in many cases, but this is the most openly racist thread I've ever seen on this website, and all the racism is coming from Europeans. You can keep saying "you're from the US/Canada, you don't know anything". It's still stupid logic, it's still wrong, and it still fails to justify the blatant racism and hatred that's here. I'm out of here. I hope I never see another thread this bad on TeamLiquid again | ||
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HereticSaint
United States240 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:28 vasatko2 wrote: They have other way, but they choosed to steal no matter what. (even if govement helps them to find a job and give wellfare) So tell me am i a rasist? if not then all the text you wrote is false See, you say they have other ways and yet they are met with racism when they try to integrate themselves (Maybe not by everyone, but clearly it's there) and at the same time people are proclaiming that the rest of the gypsy community turns on them. So everyone hates them, everyone attacks them, sometimes actually physically. Stealing doesn't seem so bad in comparison. Yes, stealing is wrong, no they shouldn't do it. But to say a majority of them do is silly. Maybe if you take every crime imaginable, no matter how petty and then take the percentage of their population that actively do that or beg it's larger than other areas, but for some of them it very well can be out of necessity. The problem isn't going to get better or go away, people should be focusing on how to improve it. Even if that doesn't mean more financial help and instead more speaking back and forth between the parties. | ||
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Awesomeness
Germany1361 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:17 HereticSaint wrote: I don't go on a rant about how everyone on welfare in the US should be ostracized and if I were to have something stolen from me by a minority trying to feed their family, yes I would be pissed off that I had something stolen from me, but at the same time I wouldn't want them to die and I wouldn't start condemning all people from that minorities group. So you are saying that stealing is ok if they feed their family with that money? In what kind of society do you want to live in? The level of hypocrisy in your posts is just amazing. It is not racist to object a culture/lifestyle. If I say that I disagree with how they threat women in Saudi-Arabia, am I being racist, because it is their culture? Except for some idiots no one is suggesting that gypsys are born like that (Which is...well the definition of racism?), but most families have a lifestyle they object and I totaly agree with them on that. | ||
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HereticSaint
United States240 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:34 Awesomeness wrote: So you are saying that stealing is ok if they feed their family with that money? In what kind of society do you want to live in? The level of hypocrisy in your posts is just amazing. It is not racist to object a culture/lifestyle. If I say that I disagree with how they threat women in Saudi-Arabia, am I being racist, because it is their culture? Except for some idiots no one is suggesting that gypsys are born like that (Which is...well the definition of racism?), but most families have a lifestyle they object and I totaly agree with them on that. It becomes racist when they say that 99% of Saudi-Arabians beat their women, especially without studies to back it up. Yes, it probably happens a lot, but lumping them all in there just because you can is unfair and discriminatory judgment of a people as a whole. Also, in that same post I point out that I don't think stealing is okay, but that to suggest murdering or dumping them in the middle of nowhere as an entire entity is a thousand times more ridiculous. | ||
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
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Tudi
Romania127 Posts
People in this thread still think that race even matters here, jesus christ. It's been explained too many times already, dont wanna do it again, look at the last 20 pages or so. People are impervious to new/different information. I'll just bring back the culture card in case anyone missed the last 30 pages: When your parents teach you to steal for a living, I couldn't give an ounce of fuck about your slightly different chromatic alleles, what I care about is your culture that directly disrupts my society. Want to be a social deviant? Feel free to do so, just do it without your hand elbow-deep in my pockets. | ||
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Fighter
Korea (South)1531 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:36 HereticSaint wrote: It becomes racist when they say that 99% of Saudi-Arabians beat their women, especially without studies to back it up. Yes, it probably happens a lot, but lumping them all in there just because you can is unfair and discriminatory judgment of a people as a whole. Also, in that same post I point out that I don't think stealing is okay, but that to suggest murdering or dumping them in the middle of nowhere as an entire entity is a thousand times more ridiculous. That's not racism, that's stereotyping. Racism suggests that something is inherently due to their biological race, which your statement does not say. I haven't seen anyone here say that gypsies are biologically prone towards criminal behavior, so I'd say the accusations of racism are pretty unjustified. If you want to talk about whether their statements consist of stereotypes, or whether or not their generalizations are justified or not, then do that instead of talking about racism. | ||
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HereticSaint
United States240 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:38 Tudi wrote: People are impervious to new/different information. I'll just bring back the culture card in case anyone missed the last 30 pages: When your parents teach you to steal for a living, I couldn't give an ounce of fuck about your slightly different chromatic alleles, what I care about is your culture that directly disrupts my society. Want to be a social deviant? Feel free to do so, just do it without your hand elbow-deep in my pockets. My response has an will be; LA Gang culture. Does that all of a sudden give me a right to go on a crusade against minorities? No it doesn't. The people trying to make this some sort of technical linguistic debate are either missing the point or trying to redirect it somewhere that doesn't matter. Maybe it isn't dictionary definition of racism, but it is discrimination of an ethnicity based on the fact that they are an ethnicity and lumping them together as a whole piece even though they are individuals. So nearly the same thing. People aren't talking about thieves or murderers or gangs (At least the people I'm trying to respond to), they are talking about gypsies and labeling them all as this. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
How can we rightfully judge the Europeans to be shallow, racist people if we ourselves are making shallow judgments based on 0 exposure to the topic at hand? | ||
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Taguchi
Greece1575 Posts
what do u not get about a majority of gypsies living in accordance with gypsy culture not sending their children to school and instead forcing them to work the streets via begging, thieving or peddling wares like packs of lighters or small toys? ive talked to kids who live like this, my cousin has befriended one and he gives regular updates about his life (he tried to go back to school by himself, got forced to go back to the streets by his family, he has to deliver a certain amount each night or else he gets beaten up, or at least thats what he claims) this is real! what part of political correctness lets u immunize that kid's parents from criticism? and again, this aint a minority! among gypsies living in camps, this is the rule! its not about not having the means to survive either, those people got money, they got nice cars and all that jazz but they still dont care enough about their children to provide a better life for them! do u think so many people in this thread are lying to u? whatever for? a whole bunch of europeans suddenly decided to troll a few americans and are laughing it up on irc now or something? sure there are some genuine idiots/racists here like that italian guy, but think a little before forming an opinion on a sidenote, expecting stats and analyses concerning a largely unregistered group of people living mostly in rural eastern europe is... kind of unrealistic (i am greek, if u think we're good with statskeeping uve been out of the loop for a while :p ) | ||
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vasatko2
Czech Republic28 Posts
See, you say they have other ways and yet they are met with racism when they try to integrate themselves (Maybe not by everyone, but clearly it's there) and at the same time people are proclaiming that the rest of the gypsy community turns on them. So everyone hates them, everyone attacks them, sometimes actually physically. Stealing doesn't seem so bad in comparison. Yes, stealing is wrong, no they shouldn't do it. But to say a majority of them do is silly. Maybe if you take every crime imaginable, no matter how petty and then take the percentage of their population that actively do that or beg it's larger than other areas, but for some of them it very well can be out of necessity. The problem isn't going to get better or go away, people should be focusing on how to improve it. Even if that doesn't mean more financial help and instead more speaking back and forth between the parties I am glad that i am not a rasist in your view any more The problem with them will be here forever i guess because majority of them have no will to integrate no matter what. watch that documentary about bulgarian gypsies (some pages back) who live like a kings from what they stole -> then you will understant why SO HATE SO TO ALL AMERICANS : STOP CALL US RASISTS | ||
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Awesomeness
Germany1361 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:36 HereticSaint wrote: It becomes racist when they say that 99% of Saudi-Arabians beat their women, especially without studies to back it up. Yes, it probably happens a lot, but lumping them all in there just because you can is unfair and discriminatory judgment of a people as a whole. You really don't get what I'm saying here. I disagree with how they threat women in the Saudi-Arabian society as a whole. I disagree with their culture of patriarchy and I don't think it's justified by their religion or anything. Am I being ignorant, because I object this lifestyle? Are you that politically correct that you can't say that you don't accept this kind of behaviour? Same thing applies to the gypsy-culture. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:45 HereticSaint wrote: My response has an will be; LA Gang culture. Does that all of a sudden give me a right to go on a crusade against minorities? No it doesn't. The people trying to make this some sort of technical linguistic debate are either missing the point or trying to redirect it somewhere that doesn't matter. Maybe it isn't dictionary definition of racism, but it is discrimination of an ethnicity based on the fact that they are an ethnicity and lumping them together as a whole piece even though they are individuals. So nearly the same thing. People aren't talking about thieves or murderers or gangs (At least the people I'm trying to respond to), they are talking about gypsies and labeling them all as this. I dont see the issue here. It looks to me like the people youre arguing against are saying, "We hate their culture and that way of life" while youre saying "Dont blame it on their race, blame it on bad culture." Arent you guys arguing the same point? | ||
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HereticSaint
United States240 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:48 vasatko2 wrote: I am glad that i am not a rasist in your view any more The problem with them will be here forever i guess because majority of them have no will to integrate no matter what. watch that documentary about bulgarian gypsies (some pages back) who live like a kings from what they stole -> then you will understant why SO HATE SO TO ALL AMERICANS : STOP CALL US RASISTS I've watched the documentary already, I think there are two sides to it. Yes, some of them are legitimately evil probably but a lot of them are getting forced into it either by outside pressure or the people in power over the community who not only live like a king but rule like a king. You can't blame the roma people as a whole when this type of grasp on power is allowed to be maintained by people perpetuating this behavior. Also, yes there are some people calling all Europeans racist but I am not one of them, there are some however that posted in this very thread and I was merely pointing towards them. (Or whatever you want to call discrimination against an ethnic minority as a whole due to incidents of parts of the whole). On September 29 2011 08:52 Supamang wrote: I dont see the issue here. It looks to me like the people youre arguing against are saying, "We hate their culture and that way of life" while youre saying "Dont blame it on their race, blame it on bad culture." Arent you guys arguing the same point? I'm trying to say that saying every roma is a thieving murderer is no better than if I go, "every African American living in LA is a member of a gang who engages in illegal activity, such as drugs, arms dealing, murder, robbery, etc". | ||
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Fighter
Korea (South)1531 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:45 HereticSaint wrote: My response has an will be; LA Gang culture. Does that all of a sudden give me a right to go on a crusade against minorities? No it doesn't. The people trying to make this some sort of technical linguistic debate are either missing the point or trying to redirect it somewhere that doesn't matter. Maybe it isn't dictionary definition of racism, but it is discrimination of an ethnicity based on the fact that they are an ethnicity and lumping them together as a whole piece even though they are individuals. So nearly the same thing. People aren't talking about thieves or murderers or gangs (At least the people I'm trying to respond to), they are talking about gypsies and labeling them all as this. That's the thing, it's NOT. People don't hate them because they're brown, they hate them because they steal! Instead of acting like you're above technical issues like linguistics (i.e. using words the right way to facilitate communication), why don't you actually look at the logical steps you're taking in your arguments? The fact that you're sloppy with your words just shows how sloppy your thinking is in general. | ||
Bigpet
Germany533 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:52 Supamang wrote: I dont see the issue here. It looks to me like the people youre arguing against are saying, "We hate their culture and that way of life" while youre saying "Dont blame it on their race, blame it on bad culture." Arent you guys arguing the same point? exactly. This whole thread is a huge semantic clusterfuck. Also blanket statements on both sides. "Everybody is racist", "Nobody has a racist motivation" "They all steal"(and again the semantic of who "they" are). This is a topic that wanders so far in the grey zone that any little statement that can be construed as "there is no fault on their side" or "we want discriminate against people for belonging to that group" immediately is met with vehement responses. Regardless of whether this was meant by the commenter or not. | ||
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HereticSaint
United States240 Posts
On September 29 2011 08:55 Fighter wrote: That's the thing, it's NOT. People don't hate them because they're brown, they hate them because they steal! Instead of acting like you're above technical issues like linguistics (i.e. using words the right way to facilitate communication), why don't you actually look at the logical steps you're taking in your arguments? The fact that you're sloppy with your words just shows how sloppy your thinking is in general. The problem comes when you label the thieves as a group of people. It is the exact same thing again as if I were to go, "In order to cut down on illegal gang activity we need to target the African American population in Los Angeles." I would be targeting a group of people and going, "You are all a problem" even though some of them are a problem, even though their culture perpetuates it doesn't make it alright. You can call it political correctness if you want, I'm not trying to appease someones moral view here though, merely using my own. | ||
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