Bulgarian Riots - Page 36

On September 29 2011 16:46 Rebel_lion wrote:
They should go steal some computers and internet so they can defend themselves from this mob.

On September 29 2011 15:12 zalz wrote:
Circular logic is claiming that gypsies are commiting crimes because they aren't accepted into society.
They dont want to get in society, they have their century old rules and still live by them.How can you get accepted in a society when you dont do something good for it, aka working and paying taxes like everybody else.They dont go to schools, many of them are 40years old and dont know how to write or read, but they have driving license and drive 40-100k euro cars.

Gypsy culture has rejected mainstream society, it never intends to integrate.That would all be fine and dandy if they could actually support themselves, but they can't.
Really?
palace 1
palace 2
palace 3
Then i guess these palaces just built themselves.All of them are built with money form begging, stealing and other criminal activities.They have these palaces and still take social security, cause they have no job->no income, and the IRS doesnt even bother to check where the money came form.So next time think before giving a coin to a gypsy, because you are helping them buy cars and houses you will never have in your life even if u work 24/7.



So what is one to do who doesn't want to become a part of society but does want all the perks like food? Build your own industry to provide these things or steal. The more likely choice is obvious.
True.

Gypsies are never going to integrate because they don't want to integrate. They will keep stealing because they don't have much of an alternative when they are busy actively rejecting mainstream society.
Very true!They dont give a crap about reintegration programs in society and schools.


The solution isn't to be nice and invite them into society because their response will be "thanks but no thanks".
True, the only way is to force them, you need to make them understand that this is the 21st century and not the middle ages.

To classify them as a culture of thieves is actually far more accurate then to claim they are innocent since the majority engage in criminal activity.


Or maybe go the dutch approach. We give them villa's to live in. For some strange reason they still keep being anti-social rejects despite living tax free in a house far bigger then mine whilst i had to actually work for it.

On September 29 2011 10:02 cellblock wrote:

lol. there is no difference between people...? Yes, there is a huge difference between gypsies and other citizens. they have been disliked by all nations they have moved to since hundreds of years ago, and that is because of their thief culture.

you want the media to hide the facts, just like they do in Sweden? what a joke.

On September 29 2011 18:05 hgt1002 wrote:
this thread truly saddens me. it really predicts the future...
in few years, when the civil war breaks out all the eastern euros will be like "we knew it"... while all the outsider will be still blinking their eye like "how could it happen?"
you dont have no idea how much people being fed up both from the gypsys activities and both from others labeling them as racist everytime they trying to talk open about the issues...
and no... not some right-wingers. not football hooligans... everyone. left-wing voters, elders, young, those who live in big citys, especially those who are in villages...etc

On September 29 2011 16:46 Rebel_lion wrote:
They should go steal some computers and internet so they can defend themselves from this mob.

Edit- When i lived in Germany the locals would all say the same things about Turkish people for what its worth. Are they as bad as gypsies?

On September 29 2011 18:45 Pika Chu wrote:
And to give you background to understand this problem and this "hate" better imagine you're not living in USA, Sweden, Norway etc. Nope, you're living in Romania or Bulgaria where justice is crap, it's hard to live (we're quite poor), the police is pretty much useless, the corruption is blatant.

Back in the communist era of Romania (i don't know how it was in Bulgaria) the militia (the police from back then) was very harsh, we had a very high level of security (simply because the state couldn't afford to have any citizens revolt for anything) so even with their culture, so the gypsies were forced to work in factories and etc, school was compulsory so a decent number of gypsies had the chance to finish a school, and the level of criminality was very low, and even so most were getting caught which gave an example to anyone inclined for an "easier living".

On September 29 2011 18:37 Ricjames wrote:
If the government doesn't do something fast, more and more people will start thinking according to Cloud's post and it will be just a matter of time before something terrible happens.

On September 29 2011 17:22 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
^
The above poster isn't simply quoting a comment but adding in his own writing in italics, in case anyone thinks of slamming him for only quoting a post.

That said, later than usual on the entry to controversial threads, zalz, but as you see much detail has already spent (including a bit from myself) on dispersing the myths of unanimous Bulgarian and Romanian racism and gypsies not being allowed to be a part of society that a few of my Internet hero countrymen and people to the north seem to be claiming here.

Overall, this thread comes down to people who experience this everyday and know what goes on, against people who probably have never heard of Romania or Bulgaria outside of some random mention who are claiming that there is nothing wrong with how Gypsies (as in, the overwhelming majority of their population, not a completely negligible number of gangsta thugs who completely contradict their American culture and social values, who on top of that, are part of American society, not their own) do things and all fault is placed on the Bulgarians, Romanians, French, etc., who are supposedly all terribly hateful people.

Is this trolling, or just unexplainable fanatical rejection of simple facts?

On September 29 2011 19:33 bOne7 wrote:


Sad thing they are not really that aggressive tho .... If they were like the bloods or the creeps it would've been more fun because no1 would have enough balls to bitch about them.

Look a simple solution to solve to roma people ... Take all the profit money that is made from cancer treatments ( that in all cases destroy the human immune system + medical insurance doesn't cover it ) and give it towards the education of the "bad breed" amongst us . If you don't know about it .... It's the most profitable section of the medical system .

On September 29 2011 11:30 Probulous wrote:


I think what he is trying to say is that there is a reason for this behaviour. If you say that they behave badly because of their culture, what makes their culture promote this kind of behaviour. You either believe that this group of people are somehow biologically inferior or you believe that their circumstances bring about these actions. This is what he means when he says "there is no difference between people and people"

Well, what is about their circumstances / culture that causes this behaviour? It is very easy to say "They behave that way because that is how they always behaved". It is much harder to say "They behave that way because they believe that by integrating that are losing their history and this is more important to them than conforming to society's expectations." An alternative explanation may be that it is simply easier for them to "leach" off of society than it is to integrate. Well that isn't a problem with gypsies it is a problem with governance. Find a reason and you can find a solution.

Ultimately blaming a people as a whole is a nice excuse to ignore a real problem. You either believe there is a reason people behave like this, or you believe thay cannot be helped.

Sad thing they are not really that aggressive tho .... If they were like the bloods or the creeps it would've been more fun because no1 would have enough balls to bitch about them.

Look a simple solution to solve to roma people ... Take all the profit money that is made from cancer treatments ( that in all cases destroy the human immune system + medical insurance doesn't cover it ) and give it towards the education of the "bad breed" amongst us . If you don't know about it .... It's the most profitable section of the medical system .