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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On October 11 2011 15:53 Velr wrote: It's REALLY simpel when it comes to investing and the whole stockmarket? Long term investment/derivates... = Good Short term = Bad... Everything seems simple when you can't comprehend the level of complication involved. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14036 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10791 Posts
On October 11 2011 16:00 Kaitlin wrote: Everything seems simple when you can't comprehend the level of complication involved. You just don't have to understand every bullshit some greedy assholes made up to get more money not caring about the consequences.... Trading for tradings sake is just bad and unecessary (investing is good!). Why do you think they are working right now at laws/taxes against "automated trading" or whatever exactly it's called? "Shortterm" trading serves only the traders and has bad effects on all "others".. | ||
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Nightfall.589
Canada766 Posts
On October 11 2011 15:59 Kaitlin wrote: Any I'm fairly confident that any beatings going on are a direct result of physical non-compliance with law enforcement. So, let's not get our panties in a bunch about police brutality. And if the shit hits the fan tomorrow, I guess that's better than that hippie shitting on the patrol car. Being present at the site of a protest very frequently qualifies for physical non-compliance with law enforcement. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On October 11 2011 14:59 AmishNukes wrote: Some estimates place coal subsidies higher than nuclear per kwh. The problem is it's nearly impossible to follow all the money governments are throwing around. The energy economy is a complicated system and I have a nuclear engineering degree. We spent a lot of time discussing different energy sources and their pros/cons. I'm not working in the industry so I have no interest in telling you nuclear is great. I personally would love if more of our energy came from solar, geothermal, and wind, but nuclear IS one of the safest and cheapest sources of energy as of today. Taking into account all civilian nuclear accidents in the history of the world, nothing compares to nuclear's safety. You can do some research yourself on the matter. I believe you'll find what I say is true. My point is, do some real research before you make an unsupported claim. If you want to Wait, what claim is it that you have a problem with now? Because you said nothing refuting any of the claims I actually made; namely that nuclear power plants cost a shit ton to start up, are heavily subsidized and that nuclear power producers have limited liability. That nuclear power is safe* or that other fuel sources receive subsidies too is mostly beside the point. *and it's obviously not safe enough for private insurers or we could've done away with the Price-Anderson act | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 11 2011 16:00 sermokala wrote: you know If you look at it competly objectively. Camping out on public property isn't that smart of an idea. I mean theres already laws in place and you'll be treated just like anyone else who would do the same. Nazi support rallies have to be protected but they follow all the laws set in front of them pretty well. If you're not getting arrested you're not protesting, get battered by the police sent to arrest you clog the system as that's the only way to make noise. No one pays attention to a protest that doesn't inconvenience people and that's frankly the truth want news time get arrested. Although i wouldn't advocate getting arrested by rioting,which just invalidates w.e you're doing in like 10 seconds, frankly much better footage comes out of people shouting and not complying with the police and then getting thrown to the ground from it. Sure it sucks to be that guy but you'll get shit ton more news time from it. And i don't blame the police easiest way to handle a group of people is to scare of the majority and arrest a good number of them to arrest everyone just taxes the system. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
![[image loading]](http://cdn.leasticoulddo.com/comics/20111011.gif) As for everyone talking about investment vs trading, the stock market connects people with money with producers, so it's a mechanism of investment. It's just not simple venture capitalism, but it adds a ton of money into the overall amount invested. Look at the details and regulations if you want to criticize, but the idea itself is one of investment. | ||
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Stirbend
United States45 Posts
On October 11 2011 14:13 Mindcrime wrote: Yeah, once you have the massive government subsidies, limited liability and an already operating plant it's cheap. :| Actually some rather large power companies are willing to foot the bill for a couple of plants. The problem is, the gvt. makes getting the license to construct, fuel, and then operate these plants near impossible. Its been 2+ years since i looked into this, though, and i don't remember who they are. So not only is nuclear cheap for the consumer, its profitable enough for the private sector to want to run it. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On October 11 2011 17:15 Stirbend wrote: Actually some rather large power companies are willing to foot the bill for a couple of plants. The problem is, the gvt. makes getting the license to construct, fuel, and then operate these plants near impossible. Its been 2+ years since i looked into this, though, and i don't remember who they are. So not only is nuclear cheap for the consumer, its profitable enough for the private sector to want to run it. as long as they get the massive subsidies and loan guarantees And, well, I guess we'll see how profitable these new plants are; it's been a few months, but last time I looked, ground had only been broken in a couple locations. And, given the recent history of nuclear plant cost estimates, the chance that these plants will never be completed is still there. | ||
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KiaL.Kiwi
Germany210 Posts
Concerning Boston: even though this may sound cynical to the people involved, police brutality and exclusion of the media while committing those crimes is something that will actually help the movement. We had a similar case here recently where people were protesting against a huge new train station and the police destroyed the eyes of some poor senior with water cannons and was convicted of using agent provocateurs to get the whole water shooting startet. Those actions always shed some light on who is the supresser and who are the supressed and evokes emotional sympathy for the protesters, even from people who were sceptical or opposed before the police brutality. All the best to the protesters. On a sidenote: Is it somehow possible to report Endymion? The guy has done nothing but offensive, dumb 1-line trolling for the last five pages that would have gotten any regular user banned a long time ago. | ||
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BioNova
United States598 Posts
On October 11 2011 15:49 jalstar wrote: Do you have a retirement account? Do you like the fact that the return is fairly consistent compared to the market as a whole? Thank derivatives and the people who trade them then. I really hope not, my family is in the top 1% (not finance) Your so full of shit. Probably the worst post i have even seen. | ||
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RJGooner
United States2076 Posts
On October 11 2011 16:08 Velr wrote: You just don't have to understand every bullshit some greedy assholes made up to get more money not caring about the consequences.... Trading for tradings sake is just bad and unecessary (investing is good!). Why do you think they are working right now at laws/taxes against "automated trading" or whatever exactly it's called? "Shortterm" trading serves only the traders and has bad effects on all "others".. Actually high-frequency trading helps the market because it vastly increases market liquidity. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
Anyway it would be nice for all the people living in fantasyland here if there really was some kind of attempt to end public order on a large scale by the protesters, we could cut to the chase instead of having to wait for months for their movement to fizzle out otherwise, and who wants to be annoyed by a fringe minority acting like some kind of revolution is coming that long? You can almost hear the thirst for blood in the posts of people like Macabre, it's disgusting to see people talk that way but that is the spirit of Occupy Wall Street, all about empty threats of what's going to happen, and then hilariously dishonest wailing about how the police are brutalizing them. Maybe you should stop making threats before you start whining about how mean the police are to you. I was being heavily sarcastic. They are Americans fighting to see the people who wrecked the economy be held accountable. You should thank them. Nah, they're fighting for the political power to oppress the people they think deserve oppressing. They're primitive authoritarians, just like you. Apparently the Boston Police Department thinks that performing mass arrests and destroying tents, and signs at night means nobody is watching. http://www.livestream.com/occupyboston EDIT: Expect this to go viral as the cops are beating veterans. Yeah and beating peaceful protesters, who are veterans, will just heighten the amount of shit that will hit the fan. What beatings? What beatings? Where? Didn't see any in your video or any other ones posted. In your mind, maybe? Apparently the Occupy Boston protesters think they can take over any piece of property they want. Which sums up the movement pretty well. "Thanks for fucking up my park!" Yes. Your park. A conspicuous lack of beatings as well. Another conspicuous lack of beatings. I do see a bunch of assholes who think that they can do whatever they want trespassing and refusing to obey lawful orders and generally once again acting like they are superior to everyone else. And then crying like little bitches when the police move in and pull them away. They pull them away, 4 or 5 cops to a wildly struggling, undoubtedly rank as shit "veteran." I didn't know using a half-dozen men to pull someone out of a crowd without hitting him or using tear gas or anything was a beating. It's almost enough to make you wonder if people know what "beatings" really are. Concerning Boston: even though this may sound cynical to the people involved, police brutality and exclusion of the media while committing those crimes is something that will actually help the movement. Honestly do people like you even watch the videos, or are you comfortable being liars and not even knowing if your lies are any good? | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On October 11 2011 22:24 KiaL.Kiwi wrote: Happy to see the movement gaining so much momentum. When the thread startet I expected it to die down pretty quickly. Concerning Boston: even though this may sound cynical to the people involved, police brutality and exclusion of the media while committing those crimes is something that will actually help the movement. We had a similar case here recently where people were protesting against a huge new train station and the police destroyed the eyes of some poor senior with water cannons and was convicted of using agent provocateurs to get the whole water shooting startet. Those actions always shed some light on who is the supresser and who are the supressed and evokes emotional sympathy for the protesters, even from people who were sceptical or opposed before the police brutality. All the best to the protesters. On a sidenote: Is it somehow possible to report Endymion? The guy has done nothing but offensive, dumb 1-line trolling for the last five pages that would have gotten any regular user banned a long time ago. As a person in favour of the revolutions in the middle east it is a positive thing to see peaceful protests anywhere, no matter the cause. It means people care! I think certain persons should think about contributing with links/news or discussion instead of quoting bumper stickers and throwing mud in this thread. I know the media and politicians are very much disagreeing on what is going on and why, but show some respect. Calling anyone "those damn commies, hippies, druggies and freebees" is not a way - let aside a good way - to discuss anything. Also an apology to xDaunt. I may have overinterpreted your comment. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
I think certain persons should think about contributing with links/news or discussion instead of quoting bumper stickers and throwing mud in this thread. I know the media and politicians are very much disagreeing on what is going on and why, but show some respect. Calling anyone "those damn commies, hippies, druggies and freebees" is not a way - let aside a good way - to discuss anything. Calling them what they are is a great way to discuss them. Also, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, as soon as they stop things like this: Maybe then nicer terms will be more appropriate for them. Clueless is about the best they deserve at the moment. Wannabe-dictators with a sprinkling of anti-semites would be more accurate. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 11 2011 23:02 radiatoren wrote: Also an apology to xDaunt. I may have overinterpreted your comment. No problem. | ||
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Yacobs
United States846 Posts
On October 11 2011 16:08 Velr wrote: Trading for tradings sake is just bad and unecessary (investing is good!). Why do you think they are working right now at laws/taxes against "automated trading" or whatever exactly it's called? "Shortterm" trading serves only the traders and has bad effects on all "others".. Wrong. Do you know what liquidity means? Apparently not. The laws against program trading have nothing to do with short-term trading. It has to do with preventing micro-crashes. I.e., a phenomenon that reduces liquidity. Sense a common theme here? | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
Wrong. Do you know what liquidity means? Apparently not. The laws against program trading have nothing to do with short-term trading. It has to do with preventing micro-crashes. I.e., a phenomenon that reduces liquidity. Sense a common theme here? They think most "rich" are Scrooge McDuck with all his gold in the vault or some Jew with all his gold in his Jew-cave, apparently. | ||
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