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AmishNukes
Profile Joined May 2010
United States98 Posts
October 11 2011 05:59 GMT
#1201
On October 11 2011 14:13 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 13:59 AmishNukes wrote:
On October 11 2011 13:48 Mindcrime wrote:
On October 11 2011 13:02 Stirbend wrote:
As far as Nuclear power goes, i'll just say that most of the energy we use here comes from nuclear power plants, and we have some of the lowest power costs in the USA. Nuclear is renewable, and cheap. I really couldn't care less about costs for nuclear energy from a country thats regulating the crap out of it to keep it from popping up.


Where did you get the idea that nuclear power was cheap?


He's actually right about nuclear power being low-cost. The issue is that it has extremely high upfront capital requirements.
http://nuclearfissionary.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/total-cost-electricity-production-per-kwh.jpg
This graph is from: http://nuclearfissionary.com/2010/04/02/comparing-energy-costs-of-nuclear-coal-gas-wind-and-solar/
This is clearly a pro nuclear site so they may devalue the cost of decommishing but the per kwh production numbers are in line with many others I have seen so I'm not looking for another source at 1 am. These are good enough for the point: once you have nuclear it is cheap.
They also haveper kwh)
Nuclear: $0.019
Coal: $0.027
Natural Gas: $0.081
Wind:$0.030
Hydroelectric: $0.009
Solar: No estimate found


Yeah, once you have the massive government subsidies, limited liability and an already operating plant it's cheap.

:|


Some estimates place coal subsidies higher than nuclear per kwh. The problem is it's nearly impossible to follow all the money governments are throwing around. The energy economy is a complicated system and I have a nuclear engineering degree. We spent a lot of time discussing different energy sources and their pros/cons. I'm not working in the industry so I have no interest in telling you nuclear is great. I personally would love if more of our energy came from solar, geothermal, and wind, but nuclear IS one of the safest and cheapest sources of energy as of today. Taking into account all civilian nuclear accidents in the history of the world, nothing compares to nuclear's safety. You can do some research yourself on the matter. I believe you'll find what I say is true.

My point is, do some real research before you make an unsupported claim. If you want to
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
October 11 2011 06:00 GMT
#1202
On October 11 2011 14:48 sermokala wrote:
The generation 4 nuclear reactors Are so sexy. Thorium instead of plutonium and salt water instead of heavy water. UMFGH

Sad the problem with the nuclear waste. Would be the perfect power source to solve all problems.


I have no idea about the magnitude of nuclear waste produced, but it would be nice if we could shoot that shit into outer space, wouldn't it ? Not sure if it's possible.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14176 Posts
October 11 2011 06:05 GMT
#1203
On October 11 2011 15:00 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 14:48 sermokala wrote:
The generation 4 nuclear reactors Are so sexy. Thorium instead of plutonium and salt water instead of heavy water. UMFGH

Sad the problem with the nuclear waste. Would be the perfect power source to solve all problems.


I have no idea about the magnitude of nuclear waste produced, but it would be nice if we could shoot that shit into outer space, wouldn't it ? Not sure if it's possible.



Head desk No no it would be a very poor idea to do that. From the fundamental failure of an idea of lowering the amount of mass the earth has to the possibility of fission reactions reusing the waste. They constantly are getting better at mashing a lot of the waste together and then reusing it.

its actually a very good target for terrorist attacks. thank god they're all incompetent.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
October 11 2011 06:09 GMT
#1204
On October 11 2011 15:05 sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 15:00 Kaitlin wrote:
On October 11 2011 14:48 sermokala wrote:
The generation 4 nuclear reactors Are so sexy. Thorium instead of plutonium and salt water instead of heavy water. UMFGH

Sad the problem with the nuclear waste. Would be the perfect power source to solve all problems.


I have no idea about the magnitude of nuclear waste produced, but it would be nice if we could shoot that shit into outer space, wouldn't it ? Not sure if it's possible.


its actually a very good target for terrorist attacks. thank god they're all incompetent.


It's not actually, the fuel in nuclear power plants isn't even the same as in nuclear bombs, like Iran is now at the stage where they can make nuclear power plants but nuclear bombs, there's no risk of a Hiroshima explosion from a power plant.

And shooting waste into space gets rid of the efficiency from nuclear since it takes so much energy to get to space.

Anyway right now nuclear is the cleanest most efficient form of energy, new forms of solar wind or geothermal might overtake it though.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-11 06:19:19
October 11 2011 06:17 GMT
#1205
Apparently the Boston Police Department thinks that performing mass arrests and destroying tents, and signs at night means nobody is watching.

http://www.livestream.com/occupyboston

EDIT: Expect this to go viral as the cops are beating veterans.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Macabre
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1262 Posts
October 11 2011 06:18 GMT
#1206
On October 11 2011 15:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Apparently the Boston Police Department thinks that performing mass arrests and destroying tents, and signs at night means nobody is watching.

http://www.livestream.com/occupyboston


Blatant disrespect for personal property. I can't believe it. I've been watching it. There are youtube videos popping up from inside the park.
Those who know how to think need no teachers. Tasteless - I think I'll take my shirt off and let my muscles do the casting
XerrolAvengerII
Profile Joined January 2010
United States510 Posts
October 11 2011 06:18 GMT
#1207
Boston police department know beating peaceful protesters and performing mass arrests; There was no real warning, they simply surrounded the protesters, and then told them they were going to arrest them.
Here is the government silencing the people's protest of big business and political corruption.
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14176 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-11 06:24:53
October 11 2011 06:18 GMT
#1208
On October 11 2011 15:09 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 15:05 sermokala wrote:
On October 11 2011 15:00 Kaitlin wrote:
On October 11 2011 14:48 sermokala wrote:
The generation 4 nuclear reactors Are so sexy. Thorium instead of plutonium and salt water instead of heavy water. UMFGH

Sad the problem with the nuclear waste. Would be the perfect power source to solve all problems.


I have no idea about the magnitude of nuclear waste produced, but it would be nice if we could shoot that shit into outer space, wouldn't it ? Not sure if it's possible.


its actually a very good target for terrorist attacks. thank god they're all incompetent.


It's not actually, the fuel in nuclear power plants isn't even the same as in nuclear bombs, like Iran is now at the stage where they can make nuclear power plants but nuclear bombs, there's no risk of a Hiroshima explosion from a power plant.

And shooting waste into space gets rid of the efficiency from nuclear since it takes so much energy to get to space.

Anyway right now nuclear is the cleanest most efficient form of energy, new forms of solar wind or geothermal might overtake it though.


I know its not the same. While the construction of a nuclear bomb is actually easier then you might think thats not what I had in mind.

just rig a nasty dirty bomb in a truck with half of this nuclear waste and half actual explosive. drive it to a large collection of people and blow it up. Bam you've now irradiated hundreds or thousands of people who will die now and the nation will have to sit and watch them die slowly while they think about why it happened. If thats not a better terrorist attack then making dead heros out of police and firefighters while killing peoples bankers then I really need to get out of the terror industry... oh wait. SHIT I'm on the FBI watch list now arn't I?

The government has done a lot of red flag assaults on the nuclear reactors and they havn't fared very well to be honest. A terrorist cell of suicidal people assault the place get to the reactor controls and follow the pre planned instructions or the given instructions from a third off site party to drive the reactor into meltdown would do a hell of a lot of damage.


Edit:And police did warnings of the park after setting up the perimeter. They're forcing everyone off the park and cleaning up the tents and signs (you can see a lot of garbage trucks) Smart doing it at night. Gives them time to react to situations and have a good story of it on the morning news. What are the news organizations going to trust longtime police or a bunch of chaotic protesters? If people aren't aware of their city ordinance they deserve the consequences. So funny that they're getting people to call the numbers when they all already know and where probably told a few hours ago.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 11 2011 06:20 GMT
#1209
Yeah and beating peaceful protesters, who are veterans, will just heighten the amount of shit that will hit the fan.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
XerrolAvengerII
Profile Joined January 2010
United States510 Posts
October 11 2011 06:20 GMT
#1210
Dump trucks are crushing personal property; media is barred from area; protestors hit with batons, digital media confiscated.. #OccupyBoston

http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/#BPD
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Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
October 11 2011 06:22 GMT
#1211
gogo boston police!
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 11 2011 06:23 GMT
#1212
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
October 11 2011 06:24 GMT
#1213
"We're mad!"

Politicians can't do anything despite all the bravado. Honestly.

"We're mad!"

Scrooge McDuck doesn't care.

I'm mad. This situation sucks.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
October 11 2011 06:27 GMT
#1214
On October 11 2011 15:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Yeah and beating peaceful protesters, who are veterans, will just heighten the amount of shit that will hit the fan.


Probably still be labeled as hippies. :\
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
October 11 2011 06:28 GMT
#1215
On October 11 2011 15:27 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 15:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Yeah and beating peaceful protesters, who are veterans, will just heighten the amount of shit that will hit the fan.


Probably still be labeled as hippies. :\


because they're hippies.
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
AmishNukes
Profile Joined May 2010
United States98 Posts
October 11 2011 06:28 GMT
#1216
Can't actually tell what's going on from grainy streams but if they are arresting people in Boston and the protesters were not breaking the law (loose interpretations of pointless laws don't count, I mean attacking people etc.) Then more shit needs to happen in Boston. That's unacceptable.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
October 11 2011 06:29 GMT
#1217
On October 11 2011 15:28 AmishNukes wrote:
Can't actually tell what's going on from grainy streams but if they are arresting people in Boston and the protesters were not breaking the law (loose interpretations of pointless laws don't count, I mean attacking people etc.) Then more shit needs to happen in Boston. That's unacceptable.


yeah, what do laws besides murder and assault mean anyways..
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Macabre
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1262 Posts
October 11 2011 06:29 GMT
#1218
On October 11 2011 15:28 Endymion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 15:27 aksfjh wrote:
On October 11 2011 15:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Yeah and beating peaceful protesters, who are veterans, will just heighten the amount of shit that will hit the fan.


Probably still be labeled as hippies. :\


because they're hippies.


Yup, every single person out there occupying is a hippy.
Those who know how to think need no teachers. Tasteless - I think I'll take my shirt off and let my muscles do the casting
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
October 11 2011 06:30 GMT
#1219
On October 11 2011 15:29 Macabre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 15:28 Endymion wrote:
On October 11 2011 15:27 aksfjh wrote:
On October 11 2011 15:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Yeah and beating peaceful protesters, who are veterans, will just heighten the amount of shit that will hit the fan.


Probably still be labeled as hippies. :\


because they're hippies.


Yup, every single person out there occupying is a hippy.


agreed!
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
XerrolAvengerII
Profile Joined January 2010
United States510 Posts
October 11 2011 06:31 GMT
#1220
On October 11 2011 15:30 Endymion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 15:29 Macabre wrote:
On October 11 2011 15:28 Endymion wrote:
On October 11 2011 15:27 aksfjh wrote:
On October 11 2011 15:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Yeah and beating peaceful protesters, who are veterans, will just heighten the amount of shit that will hit the fan.


Probably still be labeled as hippies. :\


because they're hippies.


Yup, every single person out there occupying is a hippy.


agreed!


wtf is your fail logic? Hippies != War Veterans...

That doesn't even fucking compute!
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