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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 06 2011 14:00 redwingxviii wrote: "demanding better" sounds awfully greedy to me. If you never strive to be better yourself and push others to be better then nothing gets done =p What to know what's greedy it costs cents like maybe 9 cents max in the US per the gigabyte for the isp's but then they set caps and charge you 15 bucks for 50 more gigs of data for dsl or cable which is just... | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On October 06 2011 14:13 semantics wrote: If you never strive to be better yourself and push others to be better then nothing gets done =p What to know what's greedy it costs cents like maybe 9 cents max in the US per the gigabyte for the isp's but then they set caps and charge you 15 bucks for 50 more gigs of data for dsl or cable which is just... The beauty of capitalism is that if an ISP has such low costs and high profits, then anyone else can come along and compete against them, and prices come down. If there are significant barriers to entry into the market, then your analysis isn't taking those costs into account, otherwise people would be entering the market and shaving their own slice of that profit pie. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 06 2011 14:19 Kaitlin wrote: The beauty of capitalism is that if an ISP has such low costs and high profits, then anyone else can come along and compete against them, and prices come down. If there are significant barriers to entry into the market, then your analysis isn't taking those costs into account, otherwise people would be entering the market and shaving their own slice of that profit pie. There is plenty of places i live in cali i can get like 6 isp's(last time i checked) in my area 3 of which offer unlimited but the 2 largest in the country ie comcast and at&t is not unlimited data. Most people who live in like south dakota get boned between those two. See the beauty of capitalism is that if you pay enough lawyers you can say oh you have a choice between 2 isp's so it's not like it's a monopoly abusing their consumer base, even though i well know that at&t's profit margin for their dsl service is over 80% on avg which is bullshit pricing for a service they give to alot of people it's not a luxury good anymore... ofc this is the only way at&t can stay profitable with their phone service which holds the same infrastructure. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
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Saji
Netherlands262 Posts
FOX news attacked by NYPD, officer shows his eagerness to hit protesters with his collapsible baton, protesters attacked, unprovoked attack on journalist with a camera | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 06 2011 15:12 Kaitlin wrote: If the service isn't worth the price being charged, don't buy it. If you don't have options then it's a choice between having something and not. And in the case of Internet few will go without =p | ||
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znowstorm
Australia281 Posts
America succeeds. The populace cheers U,S,A greatest nation on earth. Global Financial Crisis. Capitalists are greedy! | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
![[image loading]](http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2011_10_ows09.jpg?800) EDIT: Possible connection the officers are older and are less concerned about not getting Pensions etc. | ||
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Saji
Netherlands262 Posts
MSNBC on NYPD Police Brutality during Occupy Wall Street Lawrence O'donnell with "The Last Word" An excellent piece of main stream coverage on this past weekend, I'm sure this video wont be up long, but figured the folks looking at the vids on this channel would appreciate it. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On October 06 2011 15:59 Saji wrote: Don't know if this was posted but i think its a good report MSNBC on NYPD Police Brutality during Occupy Wall Street Lawrence O'donnell with "The Last Word" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgr3DiqWYCI&feature=watch_response_rev Lawrence O'Donnell is "main-stream" ? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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SySLeif
United States123 Posts
Then why don't you start your own business or live without it? Most things Americans buy are luxuries. We buy things that are not needed but then accuse someone of greed when we can't pay for our own necessities. The generations before us didn't accuse someone else of greed. They just kept working hard their whole lives and didn't spoil themselves or their kids. This generation is so spoiled I can't believe it. Example. I.E. Something I notice a TON! A person has cable TV, internet, has a cell phone, some have nice cars (most likely with high insurance), always has nice, newer clothes, but can't pay his own medical bills or for his own insurance. Why? I dare someone to go to Muskegon, MI and find out why half those people don't have jobs. Most likely because they are all too lazy and are living off the government. I've talked to those people, I know what's going through their head. Most of them even admit it. I can walk down Apple (Muskegon's sort of main street) and find 3 temp agencies with over 500 jobs each. On top of it anyone can go to McDonalds and get a part time job. Or almost anywhere for that matter (for big commercial entities). But people think they are above it. No one is above it, it's work. So you don't make good money, sure looks good on a resume instead of someone who hasn't worked for 6 months. Anyways I'm just ranting. But all in all I think people are just lazy today and too spoiled and think they need things to live that they don't. They prioritize things completely wrong and are so greedy as to call for the government to give them more and more until the government runs out of money (sound familiar)? The only things that needs to be fixed on Wall Street is our loopholes. But don't blame them, I know plenty of Americans that get more back then they pay in for taxes because they have loopholes too. Heck over 40% of Americans don't even pay taxes! Edit: This is my opinion and you shouldn't reply or quote me because there's no point in starting a huge argument and flaming war. But please feel free to post your opinion. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 06 2011 15:45 znowstorm wrote: America tries to become greatest capitalist nation. America succeeds. The populace cheers U,S,A greatest nation on earth. Global Financial Crisis. Capitalists are greedy! Your msg doesn't gain traction until ppl really fuck up. The bit's always been there but ever sense the california anti tax reganiates came into play greed has been considered good. And frankly it is good if you make a person's greed work for the greater good. A person making 1 mill will still do his job making 800k hell if i made 1 mil i'd still do my job if i only took home 500k it's not pennies here and unless i can get a similar position at more pay fuck that. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 06 2011 16:15 SySLeif wrote: Beauty of capitalism. If you don't like it, buy somewhere else. O.. wait... there is no where else.. Then why don't you start your own business or live without it? Most things Americans buy are luxuries. We buy things that are not needed but then accuse someone of greed when we can't pay for our own necessities. The generations before us didn't accuse someone else of greed. They just kept working hard their whole lives and didn't spoil themselves or their kids. This generation is so spoiled I can't believe it. Example. I.E. Something I notice a TON! A person has cable TV, internet, has a cell phone, some have nice cars (most likely with high insurance), always has nice, newer clothes, but can't pay his own medical bills or for his own insurance. Why? I dare someone to go to Muskegon, MI and find out why half those people don't have jobs. Most likely because they are all too lazy and are living off the government. I've talked to those people, I know what's going through their head. Most of them even admit it. I can walk down Apple (Muskegon's sort of main street) and find 3 temp agencies with over 500 jobs each. On top of it anyone can go to McDonalds and get a part time job. Or almost anywhere for that matter (for big commercial entities). But people think they are above it. No one is above it, it's work. So you don't make good money, sure looks good on a resume instead of someone who hasn't worked for 6 months. Anyways I'm just ranting. But all in all I think people are just lazy today and too spoiled and think they need things to live that they don't. They prioritize things completely wrong and are so greedy as to call for the government to give them more and more until the government runs out of money (sound familiar)? The only things that needs to be fixed on Wall Street is our loopholes. But don't blame them, I know plenty of Americans that get more back then they pay in for taxes because they have loopholes too. Heck over 40% of Americans don't even pay taxes! Edit: This is my opinion and you shouldn't reply or quote me because there's no point in starting a huge argument and flaming war. But please feel free to post your opinion. Yup anyone can get a job at mcdonalds... http://consumerist.com/2011/05/mcdonalds-hires-62000-at-job-event-turns-down-938000.html And those 62000 not all are full time. It is true american will not do some jobs, like being payed min wage at a farm to pick cabbage off the floor for 8 hours in the direct sun. But just because jobs are available doesn't mean a person with a B.S. degree would ever want such a position. On October 06 2011 16:37 sleepingdog wrote: I know it's a bit of topic, but in Europe, the probably most socialist country, Greece, is about to destroy the Euro with its relentless spending, corruption and public debt Leave Wall Street alone, those guys at least have a basic understanding of the fact that you shouldn't really spend more than you earn... Also in the economic society it's a commonly known fact by now that not bankers but interventionistic politics has caused the economic crisis. The funny thing is: if people who work 40 hours a week or are unemployed demand stuff from the state/society/whatever, it is called "fair", "human", "socialistic" if people who work 80 hours a week only demand that the state doesn't take away even more from them than he already does, it is called "greed" fucked up world, if you ask me Lol Leave Wall Street alone, those guys at least have a basic understanding of the fact that you shouldn't really spend more than you earn... Yeah you should spend other peoples money, then sell it to your buddies who keep selling it in a circle jerk and crash he econ because you were all full of shit. Economic crisis was cased by lax regulations and fankly bullshit way of regulating a market they made up and who's regulators are payed for by them and people selling and insuring assets that were based off giving loans to people who could not afford it and would historically never gotten such loans in the first place. The Greek problem and well Italian and span's problem is due to corruption and in part just people taking what they wanted out of the government and the government taking out loans for such things, ie you get stories like being paid large sums of cash on government dime in Greece for working half a year then being on vacation for the next half but i digress | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
Leave Wall Street alone, those guys at least have a basic understanding of the fact that you shouldn't really spend more than you earn... Also in the economic society it's a commonly known fact by now that not bankers but interventionistic politics has caused the economic crisis. The funny thing is: if people who work 40 hours a week or are unemployed demand stuff from the state/society/whatever, it is called "fair", "human", "socialistic" if people who work 80 hours a week only demand that the state doesn't take away even more from them than he already does, it is called "greed" fucked up world, if you ask me | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On October 06 2011 16:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBxPzhXFT6c I like the word hopefully used by the fatass who would pass out trying to chase someone with the courage to run away and not have their skull caved in by that neanderthal. | ||
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znowstorm
Australia281 Posts
On October 06 2011 16:29 semantics wrote: Your msg doesn't gain traction until ppl really fuck up. The bit's always been there but ever sense the california anti tax reganiates came into play greed has been considered good. And frankly it is good if you make a person's greed work for the greater good. A person making 1 mill will still do his job making 800k hell if i made 1 mil i'd still do my job if i only took home 500k it's not pennies here and unless i can get a similar position at more pay fuck that. If someone cut your wage in half you would still work for them...you're hired! People get paid high wages for a reason. Generally experience, skills and how much profit they can make for their company using those skills. If a business just arbitrarily pays less they will simply go to another business. Tax laws are one of the massive issues here but at the end of the day rich people get around most tax. If they reach a point where they can no longer do so they generally pack up and take their money to a country where they can. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On October 06 2011 15:28 Saji wrote: officer shows his eagerness to hit protesters with his collapsible baton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNwzMe8A8eY I assume you are referring to when the officer appears to strike the ground with his collapsible nightstick as showing eagerness to hit protestors ? If so, that's not the case. That is how those collapsible batons are closed. On another note, is it just me or did anyone else notice the increase in violence correspond directly to when the union groups got involved ? | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On October 06 2011 16:34 semantics wrote: Economic crisis was cased by lax regulations and people selling and insuring assets that were based off giving loans to people who could not afford it and would historically never gotten such loans in the first place. YES, I agree - but don't you realize what that means. The state, we as a SOCIETY failed and caused the crises. You are also right that people received loans that shouldn't have received loans in the first place. But you have to dig a lot deeper (don't want to sound condescending, but the economic crisis took place when I took my BSc in economics.....basicly every course was about that....). The banks/etc. (grossly simplified) were able to give away those loans, because the interest rate was kept so low by the FED. In a scenario without such screwed up intervention, the banks would have had to borrow the money for a higher interest rate, making the risky loans not worth it any more. And - as has been proven through research - the FED did this (among other reasons obviously) exactly to encourage people to take on loans and build houses. A socialistic reason. The "state" felt that more people should be able to live in sweet, beautiful houses. Therefore it encouraged a system where even people with little money were able to take on loans. This lead to a high demand of "land" (again: grossly simplified) which raised the value of asset backed securities...and the circle starts spinning. You can't really blame Wall Street for that at all. They were doing exactly as they were supposed to do. In fact, much of the economic crisis can be backtracked to a wrong monetary policy by the FED. Only the example that's the easiest to comprehend - FED's benchmark rate for 30 year fixed rate mortgages: ![[image loading]](http://blogs.reuters.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/interestRates_chart.gif) You see that there's something wrong with it, no? | ||
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Dulak
Finland33 Posts
On October 06 2011 05:42 trainRiderJ wrote: I work hard and live within my means. I've done the poor college student eating ramen. I've done the 550 square foot apartment. This really stuck out to me, is a 550 square foot apartment considered small in the US? In Finland most students and single people live in apartments that range from 15 to 25 square meters, which would be around 165 to 270 square feet. I live in a 500 square feet apartment with my wife and we consider it quite comfortable. If 550 square feet is smal do all working people live in palaces over there or what? :D | ||
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