On September 28 2011 19:07 GeyzeR wrote: Peter Schiff Cut Off By CNN for Speaking Truth, 11/24/2008
Peter Schiff was being interviewed live on C.N.N. just now about the current state of affairs, and he really gave his opinion clearly and without reservations.
He mentioned that he opposed the bailout, and would let failing corporations like AIG and CITI simply fail because "there´s a reason they failed"
"We should also not promote public spending or boost the economy, this is exactly why the U.S. economy failed in the first place. We have been spending way too much on credit and have had others pick up the bills we cannot possibly pay back".
He went on to say that Americans should create and save instead of spend.
On and on, hard truth after hard truth. The moment he started to make comments about the Federal Reserve system and why their policies have brought the U.S. where it is today, he was cutoff in midsentence (complete screen went to colored bars) leaving the interviewer baffled for about five seconds after which she went on to mumble "Technical difficulties" and jumping right on the good news of todays market recovery.
Peter Schiff was right in 2006 - 2007, but everybody laugh at him.
Uhm. I don't see why you think they cut him off. They let him speak for a good four minutes, and they knew very well in advance what his opinions are and what he was going to say.
I'm sorry, but that's just bad conspiracy theorizing.
To be fair, he was about to level specific allegations against the current (bush) administration, whereas up to that point he had been speaking only about the economy itself...
Not proof in itself, just another piece in a growing pile of circumstantial evidence that mass news media in general has certain... no-no's, if you will, in that there are certain things that they will just not touch.
Shame that this sometimes(?) turns out to be THE TRUTH.
There are a lot of reasons to be pissed about the economy these days (and hell, just things in general), and even though I think this protest is a huge waste of time and effort, there are definitely things that need to happen as far as regulations and what not.
however, these photos are examples of stupid ass kids making stupid ass, uninformed decisions about their education and finances, and nothing else. This is what happens when kids decide they want to study limted liberal arts degrees at private schools that cost $40k a year. You must take on some kind of debt to start a school, start a business, buy a home. You don't need to get two bachelors, especially for teaching. If you start taking school loans and drop out because you can't afford it after $10k -- i don't even know what to say to that one.
Well first the $16 trillion was largely, if not entirely repaid. The Fed usually lends in very short-term durations (24hr, week, month) so any lending they did gets repaid very quickly.
Second, any lending they did that is still outstanding would not be in the public debt figures. Public debt figures is money owed by the government to outside lenders. The Fed is reverse - money owed by outside borrowers to the Fed.
Right now there's about $2 trillion in debt on the Fed's balance sheet. Of that $1 trillion is us treasuries. That $1 trillion in treasuries is either counted as public debt (gross debt) or not (net debt) depending on who you ask.
Now, keep in mind like I've already said that $2 trillion is not owed by the Fed to anybody - rather they owe it to the Fed.
--------------------------------------------
Public Debt:
Now, currently total US debt is about $14 trillion (gross). This is money owed by the Treasury to people outside the government who gave the government $14 trillion in cash and now have a claim (bond) to get repaid with interest.
This is separate from any Fed issues. The Fed (central bank) and Treasury (US Federal Government) are not the same.
Apparently you missed the crucial word "secret" loans in the article. No, none of the 14 trillion dollars is listed on the Federal Reserve balance sheet. That's what the word secret means. None of it has been repaid, it was immediately thrown down the derivatives black hole of JPMorgan, Barclay's, Societe Generale, and others. And as we see with the ongoing collapse of the Eurozone banks and the Inter-Alpha group, it accomplished absolutely nothing. The reason for the audit in the first place was because Bernanke refused to reveal who was getting loans or for how much, so your conception that the loans have been repaid because they do not appear on the balance sheet of the Fed is hopelessly misinformed. The secrecy of the Federal Reserve and the fact that it has never been audited in 98 years of existence is a legitimate concern of the anti-Fed crowd. If the loans were public knowledge and listed on the balance sheet there would have been no need to audit the Fed in the first place.
There are a lot of reasons to be pissed about the economy these days (and hell, just things in general), and even though I think this protest is a huge waste of time and effort, there are definitely things that need to happen as far as regulations and what not.
however, these photos are examples of stupid ass kids making stupid ass, uninformed decisions about their education and finances, and nothing else. This is what happens when kids decide they want to study limted liberal arts degrees at private schools that cost $40k a year. You must take on some kind of debt to start a school, start a business, buy a home. You don't need to get two bachelors, especially for teaching. If you start taking school loans and drop out because you can't afford it after $10k -- i don't even know what to say to that one.
Them damned liberals! Talkin' 'bout that - that - THINKING! and - and them FEELINS!
It's a sad state of affairs when someone who has a BA degree in, say, psychology has to nut up and flip burgers to pay the bills because he didn't 'pick the right career'
The thing that sickens me is that I have the equivalent of an 8-year degree in 'Military Science' and have to continually resist the urge to just take one of the low-hanging fruit contracts for $200k/yr. There is no reason that I should be getting paid more than someone with a PhD just because of a life choice made at age 18.
How does being fiscally prudent have to do with anything being liberal or conservative??
I mean, never mind that those pics have almost zero to do with what is at hand, you don't think that the person who decides to say, study theater at NYU for $40k a year bears the responsibility for their actions?
There's a lot of problems with government and the economy at large, but i'd argue that there's just as great of a problem with the majority of US citizens living well beyond their means in every way imaginable. It starts right there, with parents encouraging their kids to pursue degrees that will never pay for themselves at expensive schools.
On October 01 2011 03:49 Hawk wrote: How does being fiscally prudent have to do with anything being liberal or conservative??
I mean, never mind that those pics have almost zero to do with what is at hand, you don't think that the person who decides to say, study theater at NYU for $40k a year bears the responsibility for their actions?
There's a lot of problems with government and the economy at large, but i'd argue that there's just as great of a problem with the majority of US citizens living well beyond their means in every way imaginable. It starts right there, with parents encouraging their kids to pursue degrees that will never pay for themselves at expensive schools.
I get the typical denial vibe here, along of the lines of "people are only in the situation they are in because they are inept" and "people are only poor because they're bad at managing money" and similar lines of thinking. Which is to say, you want nothing to do with the problem - not a courageous nor respectable stance or way of saying it to say the least. You should acknowledge that other people may be seriously affected by external factors.
If a person chose to go to an expensive private school over the public university for four years (or even smarter--2 years of CC and then public uni) for a career which the name of your school is not much of a factor, are they not responsible for failing to properly research their career path? What external factors are at play here that override common sense and basic research that most people do for life changing decisions such as college??
that's an incredible stretch to equate me saying that people make shit ass decisions when going to college with essentially laughing at poor people and saying that they are there because they're all fucking deadbeats. But ok!
Here, for a very specific example: In college a few years back, I had a teacher who studied journalism at Columbia University (that's about $45k/yr now) without any kind of scholarship. That's a field that has paid in peanuts for years. She'd be lucky to get $45k a year five years into her career. She is now unemployed and broke.
at what point does personal responsibility come into play?
On October 01 2011 03:42 Ympulse wrote: It's a sad state of affairs when someone who has a BA degree in, say, psychology has to nut up and flip burgers to pay the bills because he didn't 'pick the right career'
if you got just a BA in psych and expected anything other than some abysmally low salary as a social worker, yes, that is absolutely your own damn fault. That's one of the most oversaturated bachelor programs at most schools for people who have no clue what they're doing. People who go into that looking for a viable career go on to further their education
On October 01 2011 05:33 Hawk wrote: If a person chose to go to an expensive private school over the public university for four years (or even smarter--2 years of CC and then public uni) for a career which the name of your school is not much of a factor, are they not responsible for failing to properly research their career path? What external factors are at play here that override common sense and basic research that most people do for life changing decisions such as college??
that's an incredible stretch to equate me saying that people make shit ass decisions when going to college with essentially laughing at poor people and saying that they are there because they're all fucking deadbeats. But ok!
Here, for a very specific example: In college a few years back, I had a teacher who studied journalism at Columbia University (that's about $45k/yr now) without any kind of scholarship. That's a field that has paid in peanuts for years. She'd be lucky to get $45k a year five years into her career. She is now unemployed and broke.
at what point does personal responsibility come into play?
On October 01 2011 03:42 Ympulse wrote: It's a sad state of affairs when someone who has a BA degree in, say, psychology has to nut up and flip burgers to pay the bills because he didn't 'pick the right career'
if you got just a BA in psych and expected anything other than some abysmally low salary as a social worker, yes, that is absolutely your own damn fault. That's one of the most oversaturated bachelor programs at most schools for people who have no clue what they're doing. People who go into that looking for a viable career go on to further their education
Some of the stories are a little hard to sympathize with, but they're far from the norm.
A lot of these are much more depressing. Veterans who were denied any employment, people who lost their jobs/insurance after on-the-job accidents, single mothers skipping meals so their children can eat, etc. A few stories made me think "uh, chalk that up to poor life decisions", but many more are just sad.
On October 01 2011 05:33 Hawk wrote: If a person chose to go to an expensive private school over the public university for four years (or even smarter--2 years of CC and then public uni) for a career which the name of your school is not much of a factor, are they not responsible for failing to properly research their career path? What external factors are at play here that override common sense and basic research that most people do for life changing decisions such as college??
that's an incredible stretch to equate me saying that people make shit ass decisions when going to college with essentially laughing at poor people and saying that they are there because they're all fucking deadbeats. But ok!
Here, for a very specific example: In college a few years back, I had a teacher who studied journalism at Columbia University (that's about $45k/yr now) without any kind of scholarship. That's a field that has paid in peanuts for years. She'd be lucky to get $45k a year five years into her career. She is now unemployed and broke.
at what point does personal responsibility come into play?
On October 01 2011 03:42 Ympulse wrote: It's a sad state of affairs when someone who has a BA degree in, say, psychology has to nut up and flip burgers to pay the bills because he didn't 'pick the right career'
if you got just a BA in psych and expected anything other than some abysmally low salary as a social worker, yes, that is absolutely your own damn fault. That's one of the most oversaturated bachelor programs at most schools for people who have no clue what they're doing. People who go into that looking for a viable career go on to further their education
Well help me then, I'm 17 and trying to figure out what college to go to and what to study. I don't really know what I want to spend the rest of my life working on, and I don't see how I could, life is pretty fucking long when you're focused on one thing. I am looking for a relatively cheap undergrad school, most likely a liberal arts one because I don't know what to specialize in yet. I don't know what to do. And I am not a person of means: I have a job despite attending a school that gives a ton of work, my brother who just graduated is struggling to find a job, and while my mother is working, my father died a couple of years ago, so we're in a bind financially. Explain to me what I am supposed to do. Guess what I'm going to want to devote my life to?
(I'm not trying to sound aggressive, I just don't know what to do with my life and am getting sick of the pressure to just KNOW when I'm only 17.
On October 01 2011 05:33 Hawk wrote: If a person chose to go to an expensive private school over the public university for four years (or even smarter--2 years of CC and then public uni) for a career which the name of your school is not much of a factor, are they not responsible for failing to properly research their career path? What external factors are at play here that override common sense and basic research that most people do for life changing decisions such as college??
that's an incredible stretch to equate me saying that people make shit ass decisions when going to college with essentially laughing at poor people and saying that they are there because they're all fucking deadbeats. But ok!
Here, for a very specific example: In college a few years back, I had a teacher who studied journalism at Columbia University (that's about $45k/yr now) without any kind of scholarship. That's a field that has paid in peanuts for years. She'd be lucky to get $45k a year five years into her career. She is now unemployed and broke.
at what point does personal responsibility come into play?
On October 01 2011 03:42 Ympulse wrote: It's a sad state of affairs when someone who has a BA degree in, say, psychology has to nut up and flip burgers to pay the bills because he didn't 'pick the right career'
if you got just a BA in psych and expected anything other than some abysmally low salary as a social worker, yes, that is absolutely your own damn fault. That's one of the most oversaturated bachelor programs at most schools for people who have no clue what they're doing. People who go into that looking for a viable career go on to further their education
Well help me then, I'm 17 and trying to figure out what college to go to and what to study. I don't really know what I want to spend the rest of my life working on, and I don't see how I could, life is pretty fucking long when you're focused on one thing. I am looking for a relatively cheap undergrad school, most likely a liberal arts one because I don't know what to specialize in yet. I don't know what to do. And I am not a person of means: I have a job despite attending a school that gives a ton of work, my brother who just graduated is struggling to find a job, and while my mother is working, my father died a couple of years ago, so we're in a bind financially. Explain to me what I am supposed to do. Guess what I'm going to want to devote my life to?
(I'm not trying to sound aggressive, I just don't know what to do with my life and am getting sick of the pressure to just KNOW when I'm only 17.
Any quanitative science and youll be fine. Math, Physics, Computer Science, and any other engineering degree will have demand for you when you get out. Coincidentally quantitative science is fucking hard and takes real dedication to finish, meaning college isnt like that stupid fucking song where you party 8 days a week. Anything else i wouldn't waste money/time getting a degree in (Business/Econ will play higher then lib arts but still much lower then quantitative science, assuming you can get hired).
On October 01 2011 05:33 Hawk wrote: If a person chose to go to an expensive private school over the public university for four years (or even smarter--2 years of CC and then public uni) for a career which the name of your school is not much of a factor, are they not responsible for failing to properly research their career path? What external factors are at play here that override common sense and basic research that most people do for life changing decisions such as college??
that's an incredible stretch to equate me saying that people make shit ass decisions when going to college with essentially laughing at poor people and saying that they are there because they're all fucking deadbeats. But ok!
Here, for a very specific example: In college a few years back, I had a teacher who studied journalism at Columbia University (that's about $45k/yr now) without any kind of scholarship. That's a field that has paid in peanuts for years. She'd be lucky to get $45k a year five years into her career. She is now unemployed and broke.
at what point does personal responsibility come into play?
On October 01 2011 03:42 Ympulse wrote: It's a sad state of affairs when someone who has a BA degree in, say, psychology has to nut up and flip burgers to pay the bills because he didn't 'pick the right career'
if you got just a BA in psych and expected anything other than some abysmally low salary as a social worker, yes, that is absolutely your own damn fault. That's one of the most oversaturated bachelor programs at most schools for people who have no clue what they're doing. People who go into that looking for a viable career go on to further their education
Some of the stories are a little hard to sympathize with, but they're far from the norm.
A lot of these are much more depressing. Veterans who were denied any employment, people who lost their jobs/insurance after on-the-job accidents, single mothers skipping meals so their children can eat, etc. A few stories made me think "uh, chalk that up to poor life decisions", but many more are just sad.
Oh yeah I'm not denying that many are not just sad, but totally fucked. Vets get fucked so hard in so many ways in this country. There's a lot of others that are real bad too, and not through the fault of the person.
however, something like what I mentioned above is absolutely 100% on the person that makes the decision to go to the super expensive school without any kind of research. You can google anything these days, you have access to many advisors, you have the ability to not declare a major for two years before you start, allowing you to try things before committing.
it's not a 'poor people are retarded' mentality. it's you're going to college, you're supposed to be smart, act like it and try doing basic research
On October 01 2011 05:48 Darclite wrote: (I'm not trying to sound aggressive, I just don't know what to do with my life and am getting sick of the pressure to just KNOW when I'm only 17.
you don't have to know at 17! I thought I did too, and that's why I declared psych and started taking psych courses as a freshman and wasted a fuckload of money when I transfered!
What the guy above me said is a decent option. You can also go to a community college for the first two years (it's so much more cost effective, it's easy, and no uni will give a shit. Plus, you get an associates) and transfer. While there, you can take electives in fields that interest you, or find internships/jobs in those fields. Do research. A shitload of research. Talk to people in the fields that interest you... people love hearing themselves talk and all you have to do is listen. Shit, even talk to people who are just a few years ahead of you like myself to learn what NOT to do
there's very few fields in which the name recognition of a top level, big money school really, truly makes a difference. Most tend to be higher education (this is very big in law). People, for whatever reason, are conditioned to think that more money = better, when the state university is probably every bit as good when it comes to getting a job. Try hard, research you options and network the shit out of yourself.
somewhere in the equation you've got to factor in doing what you enjoy along with doing something that pays for itself. But even if what you love pays shit, you can still find ways in while having a solid back up plan. I have a friend who loves theater and always wanted to be a stage manager. He studied teaching in school, but worked on every goddamn performance that came through his university. He's been the stage manager at major productions in casinos and various venues acorss the country, and he's still got a back up plan in a more stable field when he's done.
there are certainly ways to get a good education and good job for cheap, but it requires time, effort, discipline and responsibility, something that people lack a lot of these days.
On October 01 2011 05:33 Hawk wrote: If a person chose to go to an expensive private school over the public university for four years (or even smarter--2 years of CC and then public uni) for a career which the name of your school is not much of a factor, are they not responsible for failing to properly research their career path? What external factors are at play here that override common sense and basic research that most people do for life changing decisions such as college??
that's an incredible stretch to equate me saying that people make shit ass decisions when going to college with essentially laughing at poor people and saying that they are there because they're all fucking deadbeats. But ok!
Here, for a very specific example: In college a few years back, I had a teacher who studied journalism at Columbia University (that's about $45k/yr now) without any kind of scholarship. That's a field that has paid in peanuts for years. She'd be lucky to get $45k a year five years into her career. She is now unemployed and broke.
at what point does personal responsibility come into play?
On October 01 2011 03:42 Ympulse wrote: It's a sad state of affairs when someone who has a BA degree in, say, psychology has to nut up and flip burgers to pay the bills because he didn't 'pick the right career'
if you got just a BA in psych and expected anything other than some abysmally low salary as a social worker, yes, that is absolutely your own damn fault. That's one of the most oversaturated bachelor programs at most schools for people who have no clue what they're doing. People who go into that looking for a viable career go on to further their education
Well help me then, I'm 17 and trying to figure out what college to go to and what to study. I don't really know what I want to spend the rest of my life working on, and I don't see how I could, life is pretty fucking long when you're focused on one thing. I am looking for a relatively cheap undergrad school, most likely a liberal arts one because I don't know what to specialize in yet. I don't know what to do. And I am not a person of means: I have a job despite attending a school that gives a ton of work, my brother who just graduated is struggling to find a job, and while my mother is working, my father died a couple of years ago, so we're in a bind financially. Explain to me what I am supposed to do. Guess what I'm going to want to devote my life to?
(I'm not trying to sound aggressive, I just don't know what to do with my life and am getting sick of the pressure to just KNOW when I'm only 17.
Any quanitative science and youll be fine. Math, Physics, Computer Science, and any other engineering degree will have demand for you when you get out. Coincidentally quantitative science is fucking hard and takes real dedication to finish, meaning college isnt like that stupid fucking song where you party 8 days a week. Anything else i wouldn't waste money/time getting a degree in (Business/Econ will play higher then lib arts but still much lower then quantitative science, assuming you can get hired).
But I am horrible at those things, can't handle calculus, hate quantitative science in general, and don't really have access to any affordable schools that will give me a good degree in it from what I have looked into. And if my college experience will be shit sp I can devote my life to something I hate, then there is a problem.
There are a lot of reasons to be pissed about the economy these days (and hell, just things in general), and even though I think this protest is a huge waste of time and effort, there are definitely things that need to happen as far as regulations and what not.
however, these photos are examples of stupid ass kids making stupid ass, uninformed decisions about their education and finances, and nothing else. This is what happens when kids decide they want to study limted liberal arts degrees at private schools that cost $40k a year. You must take on some kind of debt to start a school, start a business, buy a home. You don't need to get two bachelors, especially for teaching. If you start taking school loans and drop out because you can't afford it after $10k -- i don't even know what to say to that one.
Them damned liberals! Talkin' 'bout that - that - THINKING! and - and them FEELINS!
It's a sad state of affairs when someone who has a BA degree in, say, psychology has to nut up and flip burgers to pay the bills because he didn't 'pick the right career'
The thing that sickens me is that I have the equivalent of an 8-year degree in 'Military Science' and have to continually resist the urge to just take one of the low-hanging fruit contracts for $200k/yr. There is no reason that I should be getting paid more than someone with a PhD just because of a life choice made at age 18.
Education is either two things: a leisure activity or an investment in your human capitol. If you can afford to take lib arts or psychology classes because the subject matter interests you then great for you, its a decent hobby. If your trying to invest in your human capitol well then that is the "wrong career" because theres high supply and low demand for labor with those skills. Basically all that liberal arts/psychology nonsense doesn't pay because think about, what do you do with that degree? You dont build airplanes or make a product, how do you make SOMEONE ELSE money with your degree? That's how you get hired, by making someone else money. If they're looking to go to college in order to invest in their human capitol, then they should analyze the situation a little bit more and realized a degree is not a sufficient condition for a high salary.
There are a lot of reasons to be pissed about the economy these days (and hell, just things in general), and even though I think this protest is a huge waste of time and effort, there are definitely things that need to happen as far as regulations and what not. however, these photos are examples of stupid ass kids making stupid ass, uninformed decisions about their education and finances, and nothing else. This is what happens when kids decide they want to study limted liberal arts degrees at private schools that cost $40k a year. You must take on some kind of debt to start a school, start a business, buy a home. You don't need to get two bachelors, especially for teaching. If you start taking school loans and drop out because you can't afford it after $10k -- i don't even know what to say to that one.
That sure is one helluva inference you drew from that picture. More importantly, I don't follow your example at all.
Clearly said 2 bachelor's degrees and works three jobs due to lack of teaching jobs available. Last time I checked, there's even government sponsored grants for taking up teaching as well as all sorts of encouraging programs to help those who desire to teach (since we need educators) get into that spot.
So, how you decided this picture says he got liberal arts degrees (which I don't even understand why this is the new scapegoat. Most jobs out there require simply a degree they don't care where or what it's in.) from a picture...I don't know.
Also, how you decided it's a must for debt is astounding. I know and have met plenty of people who follow the idea that you should never be indebted and they do just fine. Encouraging debt is not something I would like to preset as a standard. That's me though.
Also, then the drop out comment. Once again...you're just making scenarios up and trying to derail this protester. Don't over generalize.
On October 01 2011 05:33 Hawk wrote: If a person chose to go to an expensive private school over the public university for four years (or even smarter--2 years of CC and then public uni) for a career which the name of your school is not much of a factor, are they not responsible for failing to properly research their career path? What external factors are at play here that override common sense and basic research that most people do for life changing decisions such as college??
that's an incredible stretch to equate me saying that people make shit ass decisions when going to college with essentially laughing at poor people and saying that they are there because they're all fucking deadbeats. But ok!
Here, for a very specific example: In college a few years back, I had a teacher who studied journalism at Columbia University (that's about $45k/yr now) without any kind of scholarship. That's a field that has paid in peanuts for years. She'd be lucky to get $45k a year five years into her career. She is now unemployed and broke.
at what point does personal responsibility come into play?
On October 01 2011 03:42 Ympulse wrote: It's a sad state of affairs when someone who has a BA degree in, say, psychology has to nut up and flip burgers to pay the bills because he didn't 'pick the right career'
if you got just a BA in psych and expected anything other than some abysmally low salary as a social worker, yes, that is absolutely your own damn fault. That's one of the most oversaturated bachelor programs at most schools for people who have no clue what they're doing. People who go into that looking for a viable career go on to further their education
Well help me then, I'm 17 and trying to figure out what college to go to and what to study. I don't really know what I want to spend the rest of my life working on, and I don't see how I could, life is pretty fucking long when you're focused on one thing. I am looking for a relatively cheap undergrad school, most likely a liberal arts one because I don't know what to specialize in yet. I don't know what to do. And I am not a person of means: I have a job despite attending a school that gives a ton of work, my brother who just graduated is struggling to find a job, and while my mother is working, my father died a couple of years ago, so we're in a bind financially. Explain to me what I am supposed to do. Guess what I'm going to want to devote my life to?
(I'm not trying to sound aggressive, I just don't know what to do with my life and am getting sick of the pressure to just KNOW when I'm only 17.
Any quanitative science and youll be fine. Math, Physics, Computer Science, and any other engineering degree will have demand for you when you get out. Coincidentally quantitative science is fucking hard and takes real dedication to finish, meaning college isnt like that stupid fucking song where you party 8 days a week. Anything else i wouldn't waste money/time getting a degree in (Business/Econ will play higher then lib arts but still much lower then quantitative science, assuming you can get hired).
But I am horrible at those things, can't handle calculus, hate quantitative science in general, and don't really have access to any affordable schools that will give me a good degree in it from what I have looked into. And if my college experience will be shit sp I can devote my life to something I hate, then there is a problem.
Well that's part of the reason they pay so well, there is sufficient demand for it. Basically your ability to make other people money is what determines your salary, so take up a trade or start your own business. No one wants to pay someone who spent 4 years studying classical jazz to do anything (except lecture on classical jazz). There is no demand for these shit degrees and very high supply of dunce students who get them. You should seriously consider a trade if you don't want a degree in quantitative science, or think about starting a business. There are some well paid trades like Machinist and Mechanics.
On the other hand, the more you do math the easier it is. There is so much that you dont know right now, to say you dont like "it" dismisses the chance that you could find Brownian Motion fascinating (perhaps combinatorics would have been a better math example, but you get the point). There is literally SO much that im sure one subset would interest you, but you have to do a bunch of uninteresting shit. Your not the only one that feels that way, im a math major and i have to do shit i dont like. I prefer computational mathematics and im stuck doing real analysis (proving calculus with bare logic). Its work, but i wont specialize in it when im done.
On October 01 2011 05:33 Hawk wrote: If a person chose to go to an expensive private school over the public university for four years (or even smarter--2 years of CC and then public uni) for a career which the name of your school is not much of a factor, are they not responsible for failing to properly research their career path? What external factors are at play here that override common sense and basic research that most people do for life changing decisions such as college??
that's an incredible stretch to equate me saying that people make shit ass decisions when going to college with essentially laughing at poor people and saying that they are there because they're all fucking deadbeats. But ok!
Here, for a very specific example: In college a few years back, I had a teacher who studied journalism at Columbia University (that's about $45k/yr now) without any kind of scholarship. That's a field that has paid in peanuts for years. She'd be lucky to get $45k a year five years into her career. She is now unemployed and broke.
at what point does personal responsibility come into play?
On October 01 2011 03:42 Ympulse wrote: It's a sad state of affairs when someone who has a BA degree in, say, psychology has to nut up and flip burgers to pay the bills because he didn't 'pick the right career'
if you got just a BA in psych and expected anything other than some abysmally low salary as a social worker, yes, that is absolutely your own damn fault. That's one of the most oversaturated bachelor programs at most schools for people who have no clue what they're doing. People who go into that looking for a viable career go on to further their education
Well help me then, I'm 17 and trying to figure out what college to go to and what to study. I don't really know what I want to spend the rest of my life working on, and I don't see how I could, life is pretty fucking long when you're focused on one thing. I am looking for a relatively cheap undergrad school, most likely a liberal arts one because I don't know what to specialize in yet. I don't know what to do. And I am not a person of means: I have a job despite attending a school that gives a ton of work, my brother who just graduated is struggling to find a job, and while my mother is working, my father died a couple of years ago, so we're in a bind financially. Explain to me what I am supposed to do. Guess what I'm going to want to devote my life to?
(I'm not trying to sound aggressive, I just don't know what to do with my life and am getting sick of the pressure to just KNOW when I'm only 17.
Any quanitative science and youll be fine. Math, Physics, Computer Science, and any other engineering degree will have demand for you when you get out. Coincidentally quantitative science is fucking hard and takes real dedication to finish, meaning college isnt like that stupid fucking song where you party 8 days a week. Anything else i wouldn't waste money/time getting a degree in (Business/Econ will play higher then lib arts but still much lower then quantitative science, assuming you can get hired).
wait since when did business/econ get out of the lib arts field? what is it...a science or a math? and since when is psych a lib art..everything you learn is based on biology and chemistry as well as statistics and empirical data.
EPT
![[image loading]](http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsaq7rvh8M1r25y9yo1_500.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsarto7evA1r25y9yo1_500.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls9kebpNcf1r25y9yo1_500.jpg)
