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Saji
Netherlands262 Posts
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muse5187
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RvB
Netherlands6190 Posts
On September 27 2011 23:08 Saji wrote: Hahahaha Human Nature what garbage are you ousting, many Scientist disagree with your fallacy. For example Dr Robert Saposlky Professor of Neurological Science, Stanford University Dr. James Gilligan Former Director: Center for the Study of Violence, Harvard Medical School Dr. Gabor Maté Physician, Author Portland Society Richard Wilkinson Professor Emeritus of Social Epidemiology, University of Nottingham You come with a clip from zeitgeist... And besides it's not the point how you name it, fact is there have always been people troughout the entire history of mankind that there are people who do everything for power ( or money ) even killing people. It's not capitalism that does that, it's not the system it's the sick people behind it that do such stuff. | ||
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LarJarsE
United States1378 Posts
probably posted, but must see | ||
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Saji
Netherlands262 Posts
TheRealNews op 27 sep 2011 | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
More pictures from today I believe. | ||
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Pesto
United States121 Posts
Most of the footage in this has already been posted in this thread. But this hasn't been posted yet and it is the only mainstream TV footage (that I could find) of the demonstrations, and this commentator doesn't pull his punches (no pun intended) in terms of his opinions on the issue. I'd be interested to read some reactions, particularly from people who disagree and find this to be hyperbole. My gut reaction as to why a corporate media station would cover this is that the issue is being steered away from the issues of the protest (corporate greed and corruption of government) itself and toward the issue of police brutality (which is still certainly of tremendous importance). Edit: only mainstream footage I could find, let me know if there has been anything else. | ||
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iamahydralisk
United States813 Posts
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
I'd be interested to read some reactions, particularly from people who disagree and find this to be hyperbole. MSNBC hires outspoken progressives to push an outspoken progressive line to get progressive viewers. Of course the protestors weren't doing anything; they never are. Except whatever they are doing, of course. Not allowing police to set up a waist-high plastic fence, blocking traffic, whatever. And then they refuse to stop doing whatever they are doing, which is illegal, no matter how many times they scream that they aren't doing anything. And then the police try to detain or arrest them and they wig out which results in a chaotic scene. They (protestors and people like Dylan Ratigan or whoever that is, is that him? Or is it Lawrence O'Donnell? I think it's Lawrence now that I think about it...) never understand why their movements never grow past the true believer stage, because non-political people watch this and see them throwing tantrums and see their claims of police brutality as mostly childish whining. And even the most non-political person unless they live in a cave knows what happens to protestors in Iran (shot, beaten, arrested and then tortured / raped), and see six cops restraining one guy (to be able to restrain him without really hurting him) with hundreds of people screaming at the cops from a few feet away. The "Silent Majority" know full well that the cops could just be beating people on the head with nightsticks, they are not impressed at claims that six cops holding down one guy is police brutality. Despite claims to the contrary, they see police exercising restraint and protestors not acting like adults, which hurts their movement. They don't understand this. If you want the masses to get behind you you have to first of all establish your movement as something to look up to, contrived squabbles with the police presented as police brutality doesn't work at accomplishing that. | ||
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Pesto
United States121 Posts
On September 28 2011 08:56 DeepElemBlues wrote: MSNBC hires outspoken progressives to push an outspoken progressive line to get progressive viewers. Of course the protestors weren't doing anything; they never are. Except whatever they are doing, of course. Not allowing police to set up a waist-high plastic fence, blocking traffic, whatever. And then they refuse to stop doing whatever they are doing, which is illegal, no matter how many times they scream that they aren't doing anything. And then the police try to detain or arrest them and they wig out which results in a chaotic scene. They (protestors and people like Dylan Ratigan or whoever that is, is that him? Or is it Lawrence O'Donnell? I think it's Lawrence now that I think about it...) never understand why their movements never grow past the true believer stage, because non-political people watch this and see them throwing tantrums and see their claims of police brutality as mostly childish whining. And even the most non-political person unless they live in a cave knows what happens to protestors in Iran (shot, beaten, arrested and then tortured / raped), and see six cops restraining one guy (to be able to restrain him without really hurting him) with hundreds of people screaming at the cops from a few feet away. The "Silent Majority" know full well that the cops could just be beating people on the head with nightsticks, they are not impressed at claims that six cops holding down one guy is police brutality. Despite claims to the contrary, they see police exercising restraint and protestors not acting like adults, which hurts their movement. They don't understand this. If you want the masses to get behind you you have to first of all establish your movement as something to look up to, contrived squabbles with the police presented as police brutality doesn't work at accomplishing that. MSNBC is certainly as outwardly "progressive" as Fox News is outwardly "conservative". However, when it comes to the problem that the protestors are trying to address, namely, corporate greed, right/left is a false dichotomy. Politics on both sides, as we all know, is corporately funded and influenced. (anyone care to disagree?) For that reason, if you agree with that statement, you regard any corporate media's depiction of the event with suspicion, because of the inherent conflict of interest. I absolutely agree that for the most part, (with the exception of the usage of mace, perhaps? We can skip the debate about what means are necessary or ethical etc) the police were acting professionally, nobody was truly harmed (the way that man was "thrown" against the car actually impressed me with its ability to get him in to a sitting position without harm....). But you may be making some assumptions about the tactics of these protestors. The fact is that police action is what gets attention, and what they want are numbers. I know they make clear their desire for it to be a peaceful protest, that they have nothing against police; so my concern with this footage (taking into account perhaps my biased suspicion <tinfoil hat> of corporate media) is that MSNBC is trying to subvert this protest into something akin to the Rodney King riots, where there is hostility and violence between the police and protestors. | ||
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Saji
Netherlands262 Posts
Published: 27 September, 2011, 20:13 Cops might be cracking down on Occupy Wall Street protesters in New York City, but activists are now bringing their big-bank bashing across the country with demonstrations springing up from coast-to-coast. More than a week after protests began in Lower Manhattan, the Occupy Wall Street movement is moving, well, off of Wall Street. Both Los Angeles, California and Chicago, Illinois have both hosted demonstrators in the days since the first protest kicked off in New York, and now dozens of more locales across America are expected to be swarmed upon by citizens sick and tired of corrupt corporations and financial institutions run amuck by mismanagement and greed. Within the next few days, occupation-style protests like the one happening in Liberty Plaza Park, Manhattan are expected to occur in Washington DC, Lexington, Kentucky and San Francisco, California. Elsewhere organizers are laying down the groundwork to soon wage demonstrations in cities like Omaha, Birmingham and Philadelphia, as well. Occupytogether.org has started up as an online hub so that like-minded individuals that have had enough of the corrupt ties between K Street and Wall Street can launch protests across America. “We will only grow stronger in our solidarity and we will be heard, not just in New York, but in echoes across this nation,” writes a post on the homepage of Occupy Together. https://rt.com/usa/news/occupy-wall-street-spreads-505/ | ||
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TLisfaggots
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GeyzeR
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Peter Schiff was being interviewed live on C.N.N. just now about the current state of affairs, and he really gave his opinion clearly and without reservations. He mentioned that he opposed the bailout, and would let failing corporations like AIG and CITI simply fail because "there´s a reason they failed" "We should also not promote public spending or boost the economy, this is exactly why the U.S. economy failed in the first place. We have been spending way too much on credit and have had others pick up the bills we cannot possibly pay back". He went on to say that Americans should create and save instead of spend. On and on, hard truth after hard truth. The moment he started to make comments about the Federal Reserve system and why their policies have brought the U.S. where it is today, he was cutoff in midsentence (complete screen went to colored bars) leaving the interviewer baffled for about five seconds after which she went on to mumble "Technical difficulties" and jumping right on the good news of todays market recovery. Peter Schiff was right in 2006 - 2007, but everybody laugh at him. | ||
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Gnial
Canada907 Posts
The stupidity of the whole thing hurts my mind. edit. I should clarify that they are protesting these many, diverse topics under the banner of "Occupy Wallstreet" | ||
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BlackFlag
499 Posts
On September 28 2011 20:12 Gnial wrote: Oh my God. There are groups in Vancouver and Victoria organizing protests for this... it is the most retarded thing I have ever seen. "Come to downtown Vancouver to protest corporatism, war, racism, etc. etc. etc." The stupidity of the whole thing hurts my mind. edit. I should clarify that they are protesting these many, diverse topics under the banner of "Occupy Wallstreet" Who cares under what banner they protest? We live in a globalized world and protest is globalized too. The message is more important than the name. | ||
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jon arbuckle
Canada443 Posts
On September 28 2011 23:23 BlackFlag wrote: Who cares under what banner they protest? We live in a globalized world and protest is globalized too. The message is more important than the name. I dislike the idea that young Mises.org maniacs who I abhor and confused college anarchists and groovy eco-Marxists who I sympathize with are protesting under the same banner. It's a distressingly vague exercise without a message, unless the message is no more complicated "physically occupy the space designated as Wall Street." | ||
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BlackFlag
499 Posts
On September 28 2011 23:28 jon arbuckle wrote: I dislike the idea that young Mises.org maniacs who I abhor and confused college anarchists and groovy eco-Marxists who I sympathize with are protesting under the same banner. It's a distressingly vague exercise without a message, unless the message is no more complicated "physically occupy the space designated as Wall Street." I don't really understand? I just said this because the poster before me said he think it's stupid that people in Vancouver also protest under the #occupywallstreet tag, but have the same agenda (regulation, big corporations, etc.). And, not that I have read much about these protests, but I hadn't the image that the protesters view capitalism (on your Marxist point) as the problem. Reformers, not revolutionaries. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On Sept. 24, while working on a story about citizen journalism for my employer, I found myself arrested, along with many other people. My arrest gave me a unique vantage point on the risks and rewards of citizen journalists, those non-professionals who capture stories (usually without pay) using videos and images via portable technology like a cell phone camera. Anyone, even a passerby or a police officer can be a citizen journalist. That’s its power. Here’s what happened. My colleague Sam Lewis and I had previously covered Occupy Wall Street, an ongoing demonstration against economic inequality, on the first day it began, Sept.17. Throughout that day we noticed many protesters using their mobile devices to document their own experience, sometimes for themselves or their own blogs, sometimes to share with bona fide media organizations. So, midday this past Saturday, Sept. 24, we headed to Union Square, where the Occupy Wall Street protesters had marched that morning from Lower Manhattan. When we first arrived on the scene, protesters were marching along the sidewalk in unison, chanting. There was no sense of chaos. Many held video and audio recording devices, including camera phones. Source | ||
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Gnial
Canada907 Posts
On September 29 2011 02:39 BlackFlag wrote: I don't really understand? I just said this because the poster before me said he think it's stupid that people in Vancouver also protest under the #occupywallstreet tag, but have the same agenda (regulation, big corporations, etc.). And, not that I have read much about these protests, but I hadn't the image that the protesters view capitalism (on your Marxist point) as the problem. Reformers, not revolutionaries. Sorry for being rude...but are you daft? Illiterate? Or just bored so you're trolling? They don't have the same agenda. Read the list of things I said they were protesting. War. Corporatism (this isn't regulators or big corporations, they are protesting all corporations generally), Racism. I just read that they are also protesting high housing prices in Vancouver...EVEN THOUGH ITS NOT A BUBBLE. Its so stupid. And they do this all under the occupy wall street banner. | ||
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
On September 29 2011 04:51 Gnial wrote: Sorry for being rude...but are you daft? Illiterate? Or just bored so you're trolling? They don't have the same agenda. Read the list of things I said they were protesting. War. Corporatism (this isn't regulators or big corporations, they are protesting all corporations generally), Racism. I just read that they are also protesting high housing prices in Vancouver...EVEN THOUGH ITS NOT A BUBBLE. Its so stupid. And they do this all under the occupy wall street banner. So because these different groups united under the same banner flag different causes they are not united? What? They have to uniformly conform to just a single cause? Because in America thats just not possible. Just look at the Tea party rally. They rally under the same banner so whatever the banner (original group) stands for they stand for too. Or is my logic stupid? | ||
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