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saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
September 14 2011 15:25 GMT
#241
Personally, making a public facebook mourn page is fucking dumb and just screaming for trolls. I don't really have much sympathy for people who commit suicide, so all mourning should be done in real life or at least between people who care about the girl.

Although it was immature for the guy to troll like that I don't think the troll deserves such harsh punishment.
Whoranzone
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany330 Posts
September 14 2011 15:26 GMT
#242
According to most people in this topic you could just start jailing about every comedian or cabaret artist.
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3822 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-14 15:29:30
September 14 2011 15:26 GMT
#243
On September 15 2011 00:15 HoldenR wrote:
This is fucking ludicrous. They might as well throw just about 90% of every middle and high schooler in jail, because the stuff that goes down between teenagers in real life is far more scarring than some dumb kid on the internet.

I cannot, for the life of me, understand the policies on "internet bullying". Is this just old men making legislation based on things they don't understand? And why on earth doesn't real life bullying, which is a million times more prevelant and impactful, get treated the same way - if not with a far less lenient policy?

Call me crazy for feeling this way, and while it's certainly far from a nice thing that he did, I can't help but feel this is just completely backwards. When is the last time a teacher took a bullying charge seriously? Someone getting the shit kicked out of them for being an outcast? Ever try stepping to other authorities with that? Good luck. Hell, most of the time the teachers treat the kid getting bullied worse than the others, but that's flown for dozens of years now, why is internet bullying suddenly so important?

Soooooooooooooooo instead of fixing the problem with idiot teachers not taking bullying seriously, let's just let people be fucking morons?

In any event, the whole concept of bullying IS being taken more seriously around the world. See for example what is dubbed "Broadie's Law", which is a significant overhaul of criminal legislation here in Victoria specifically targeting the type of behaviour you're describing.

http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/domino/Web_Notes/LDMS/PubPDocs.nsf/ee665e366dcb6cb0ca256da400837f6b/78edf40a8f5c481cca257869007c7c73/$FILE/571060bi1.pdf
Desirous
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada95 Posts
September 14 2011 15:27 GMT
#244
There are many jokes at the expense of the less fortunate. Should we jail them all?

If we're going to lock up people for stupid shit that doesn't affect anyone anymore than they'll let it, then let's lock up all the idiots who think no Jews died in WW2. I think that would be a lot more justified than some guy editing videos and trolling.
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3822 Posts
September 14 2011 15:29 GMT
#245
On September 15 2011 00:27 Desirous wrote:
There are many jokes at the expense of the less fortunate. Should we jail them all?

If we're going to lock up people for stupid shit that doesn't affect anyone anymore than they'll let it, then let's lock up all the idiots who think no Jews died in WW2. I think that would be a lot more justified than some guy editing videos and trolling.

Can people stop with the terrible analogies?

....


Fuck me..
theaxis12
Profile Joined March 2011
United States489 Posts
September 14 2011 15:31 GMT
#246
OP pic: lol the new face of trolls, thank god this is the man that will pop up when people in the future look up "troll"
Shut your mouth and put your head back in the clouds.
hypnoxide
Profile Joined August 2011
240 Posts
September 14 2011 15:32 GMT
#247
On September 15 2011 00:29 Brett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 00:27 Desirous wrote:
There are many jokes at the expense of the less fortunate. Should we jail them all?

If we're going to lock up people for stupid shit that doesn't affect anyone anymore than they'll let it, then let's lock up all the idiots who think no Jews died in WW2. I think that would be a lot more justified than some guy editing videos and trolling.

Can people stop with the terrible analogies?

....


Fuck me..

Should we stick with your piss weak car unlocked and a thief stealing it analogy instead?
Proud hipster of the SlayersCoCa fanclub!
Whoranzone
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany330 Posts
September 14 2011 15:32 GMT
#248
On September 15 2011 00:29 Brett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 00:27 Desirous wrote:
There are many jokes at the expense of the less fortunate. Should we jail them all?

If we're going to lock up people for stupid shit that doesn't affect anyone anymore than they'll let it, then let's lock up all the idiots who think no Jews died in WW2. I think that would be a lot more justified than some guy editing videos and trolling.

Can people stop with the terrible analogies?

....


Fuck me..

How is that a terrible analogy ?
Juanald
Profile Joined February 2011
United States354 Posts
September 14 2011 15:32 GMT
#249
On September 15 2011 00:25 hypnoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 00:23 Juanald wrote:
On September 15 2011 00:19 HereticSaint wrote:
On September 15 2011 00:16 Juanald wrote:
their seems to be a strong devide between people from europe and the united statess about this and im suprised to say i gotta side with the euros... i cant tell you how many times ive seen someone attack top players like incontrol crunCher and machine for having an off day if there was a threat of jail for this kind of trolling maybe they wouldnt do it... just my 2 sense


I'm pretty sure if you asked inControl himself if people should get jailed for trolling he'd disagree, then again I could be completely wrong...but from his overall personality the only person he'd do that to is maybe CombatEx.


dont do the crime if u cant do the time.

Implying what he did is actually worthy of any amount of "time".


look you got to take responsibility for youre actions. in united states we might not be as sophisticated as korea or europe but hopefully well get there. cyberbullying is not acceptable. as a prominant member of slayers pointed out you dont have to hit someone for it to be assault.
"hey it could happen!" ~ angels n the outfield
Bulkers
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland509 Posts
September 14 2011 15:33 GMT
#250
About time there should be TPD, Troll Police Department
Whoranzone
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany330 Posts
September 14 2011 15:33 GMT
#251

look you got to take responsibility for youre actions. in united states we might not be as sophisticated as korea or europe but hopefully well get there. cyberbullying is not acceptable. as a prominant member of slayers pointed out you dont have to hit someone for it to be assault.

Sticks and stones...ahh I am sure you know the rest.
HoldenR
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands256 Posts
September 14 2011 15:34 GMT
#252
On September 15 2011 00:26 Brett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 00:15 HoldenR wrote:
This is fucking ludicrous. They might as well throw just about 90% of every middle and high schooler in jail, because the stuff that goes down between teenagers in real life is far more scarring than some dumb kid on the internet.

I cannot, for the life of me, understand the policies on "internet bullying". Is this just old men making legislation based on things they don't understand? And why on earth doesn't real life bullying, which is a million times more prevelant and impactful, get treated the same way - if not with a far less lenient policy?

Call me crazy for feeling this way, and while it's certainly far from a nice thing that he did, I can't help but feel this is just completely backwards. When is the last time a teacher took a bullying charge seriously? Someone getting the shit kicked out of them for being an outcast? Ever try stepping to other authorities with that? Good luck. Hell, most of the time the teachers treat the kid getting bullied worse than the others, but that's flown for dozens of years now, why is internet bullying suddenly so important?

Soooooooooooooooo instead of fixing the problem with idiot teachers not taking bullying seriously, let's just let people be fucking morons?

In any event, the whole concept of bullying IS being taken more seriously around the world. See for example what is dubbed "Broadie's Law", which is a significant overhaul of criminal legislation here in Victoria specifically targeting the type of behaviour you're describing.

http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/domino/Web_Notes/LDMS/PubPDocs.nsf/ee665e366dcb6cb0ca256da400837f6b/78edf40a8f5c481cca257869007c7c73/$FILE/571060bi1.pdf


But it's ass backwards. Literally, you cannot possibly compare people being mean online(and at what point do you even draw the line? You might as well say flaming on a forum deserves jailtime - that's malicious and shows clear intent to harass, too) to what happens in real life, which despite some law in Australia, is a horrible overlooked "flaw in the system" that everyone knows happens, but no one really wants to acknowledge it exists.

I might support this, although obviously not as heavily as in this case, if people would actually try to fix the broken system in the real world. But let's face it, this isn't even a tenth as impactful as real life bullying.
SevenBunnies
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States24 Posts
September 14 2011 15:34 GMT
#253
On September 15 2011 00:06 mr_tolkien wrote:
I'm very happy not to know you personnaly.


Dear Mr. Tolkien:

The man you insulted is very super sad because some life event just happened to him that has clouded his logical thinking. Your insult was horribly malicious. You will be getting a court summons in a few days.

To any victims: do not worry! In the next couple of days we will be going after anyone who chooses to say the government is bad. They are being horribly malicious by this statement, as in fact, the government is amazing!

Thank you for you time,
U.K. Government
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
September 14 2011 15:34 GMT
#254
There's a difference between trolling and what happened here imo. What happened here was harassment and I feel the time in jail is justified. If the girl was psychologically fragile what he did there might have had dangerous repercussions. Besides what he did was uncalled for and even if the sentence was a little "harsh", it can't go unpunished.

It's not like it was an accident or anything, or weird circumstances. He did everything with the intent of causing harm.

So yeah I agree with this.
maru lover forever
BarbieHsu
Profile Joined September 2011
574 Posts
September 14 2011 15:35 GMT
#255
On September 14 2011 20:38 HereticSaint wrote:
Completely stupid and pointless case and a waste of money for everyone involved.

This is the equivalent to prosecuting a random 14 year old girl for illegally downloading music, sure it stirs up some press and may make it into the paper but in the end it deters absolutely no one from doing said action because in the end they aren't going to go after everyone doing it and you are just as likely to win the lottery as you are to get prosecuted for it.

As for the family and parents? They need to toughen up, I've had people comment about family members of mine that are dead probably thousands of times, you don't see me sitting in a courtroom every time that happens, even the especially bad times.

Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 20:37 syno wrote:
On September 14 2011 20:32 Sea_Food wrote:
On September 14 2011 20:29 syno wrote:
And if u were her mother, would u just ban him?
Wouldnt u prefer to see him in jail


If victims would be judges, the human race would have ended in extinction already.


Yes.
But just try to think like the mother/parents.
Wouldnt you try everything to see this idiot paying for what he's done?


Who cares what the mother wants, that has absolutely no relevance. I want a million dollars, I want idiots to die, I want to know how to pilot an F-16. What the hell is your point? Really?


Yes, but at least they're doing something about it. It's a start. I do want to see certain abuses of internet anonymity punished; such as his. Let's hope enforcement becomes better.
Whoranzone
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany330 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-14 15:37:38
September 14 2011 15:36 GMT
#256
On September 15 2011 00:34 Incognoto wrote:
If the girl was psychologically fragile what he did there might have had dangerous repercussions.

Wait what ? Not sure how this is supposed to work to be honest ? And again the article mentions two messages - hardly constitutes as harassment.
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3822 Posts
September 14 2011 15:37 GMT
#257
On September 15 2011 00:32 hypnoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 00:29 Brett wrote:
On September 15 2011 00:27 Desirous wrote:
There are many jokes at the expense of the less fortunate. Should we jail them all?

If we're going to lock up people for stupid shit that doesn't affect anyone anymore than they'll let it, then let's lock up all the idiots who think no Jews died in WW2. I think that would be a lot more justified than some guy editing videos and trolling.

Can people stop with the terrible analogies?

....


Fuck me..

Should we stick with your piss weak car unlocked and a thief stealing it analogy instead?

I'd love to see you post a reasonable argument that counters anything I've said. I've been disappointed thus far...
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
September 14 2011 15:38 GMT
#258
If you're going to make an online public forum about your daughter then you should be prepared to handle public scrutiny. What if this were a memorial page for a serial killer and people went out of their way to call him a monster and a piece of scum. People should be sent to jail for that? Or does protection from trolling only extend to little girls?
Horst
Profile Joined November 2010
338 Posts
September 14 2011 15:40 GMT
#259
While it was a dick move, I can't help but think we don't have all the facts.

If all he did was post on a facebook page and make a fake video, then obviously he doesn't deserve to go to jail... There are dicks on the internet everywhere, and you can't stop that.

He must have done other things besides this... if he made phone calls / sent letters, or things like that, then yes I can see this as justified.

But just trolling isn't punishable by jail. And to be honest, I giggled a little bit when I read that he edited that video with the girls face. Yes, I may be a terrible person, but still, many people online are.
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
September 14 2011 15:41 GMT
#260
On September 15 2011 00:32 Whoranzone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 00:29 Brett wrote:
On September 15 2011 00:27 Desirous wrote:
There are many jokes at the expense of the less fortunate. Should we jail them all?

If we're going to lock up people for stupid shit that doesn't affect anyone anymore than they'll let it, then let's lock up all the idiots who think no Jews died in WW2. I think that would be a lot more justified than some guy editing videos and trolling.

Can people stop with the terrible analogies?

....


Fuck me..

How is that a terrible analogy ?
Because you can't fucking compare making a joke or a one time insult, to continued harassment with the sole intent of causing emotional harm to the victim. Is this really that hard to understand?
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