EPTPossible Al Qaeda Attack on 9/11 - Page 4
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Stop the country bashing, and the conspiracy theories or bans will start to be handed out. | ||
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Thrasymachus725
Canada527 Posts
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Kluey
Canada1197 Posts
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OscarN
Cape Verde292 Posts
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Dapper_Cad
United Kingdom964 Posts
On September 10 2011 06:42 Roe wrote: he's one of those 9/11 truthers. (he thinks the US attacked itself) Or he thinks that US actions ensure the continued relevance of al qaeda. On September 10 2011 06:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote: What War besides the Iraq war are we talking about? The Afghan one was legitimate, when it began at least. Arguably not, though it depends how you define "legitimate war". On both these points this is interesting: http://www.truth-out.org/after-911-was-war-only-option/1315582873 | ||
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
I'm sorry american intelligencies but this is too fucked up to be believable. Watch TV shows, you might get better ideas. I trully don't hope you're gonna blow another thing and that your next "bill of right" that'll trade freedom for security won't pass. I'm not buying that shit | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On September 10 2011 06:41 Popss wrote: I would but if I was put in the same position except as a head of state and my option is to order this individual to torture this person to save 1,000 lives, would I do it? No, I need to find another way to protect those lives as if one of the objectives of my theoretical state is to respect human rights that objective doesn't take precedence over the objective to protect my citizens. You can't expect people to act this principled but a state has to. The same argument can be applied to an individual who is obligated not to violate the rights of others and avoid causing harm, unless you don't believe individuals have such obligations . Going through with it or not definitely depends on your political and ethical/moral beliefs though for both cases. I don't think it would be any harder to argue that there is nothing wrong with expecting people to act as principled as a state, or the other way around, than it would be to argue that you can't. It just comes down to how important things like individual rights are compared to the greater good, ends vs means, etc etc... I'm not saying your beliefs are wrong, I'm just gonna say I'm not sure that you're right either. On September 10 2011 06:44 Thrasymachus725 wrote: Enjoy living with your fear. Enjoy living with your false, unjustified belief that I live in fear. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On September 10 2011 06:44 Thrasymachus725 wrote: What the US has done has done as a result of 9/11 is nothing short of barbaric. If you ask me, they have far surpassed the horrific event on 9/11 with their revenge. Enjoy living with your fear. Really ? If this doesn't deserve a ban, I don't know what does. | ||
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Craze
United States561 Posts
As an American I'm perfectly willing to have my email looked at by some government agency if it means they may catch a terrorist and save families from going through the same pain experienced on 9/11. And lets get real, we live in a world where things aren't all hunky dory. Sometimes people have to do tough shit, and if the government needs to "torture" some terrorist intent on killing as many people as possible then go for it. Governments know this, it's the outraged populace that complain that we can't sing campfire songs and hold hands with Al Qaeda that don't get it. These people don't want friends, they don't even want us to leave them alone, they want us to burn. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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Destro
Netherlands1206 Posts
On September 10 2011 06:50 Kaitlin wrote: Really ? If this doesn't deserve a ban, I don't know what does. he deserves a ban because he has an alternate opinion to you? I don't see how that is fair. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On September 10 2011 05:05 klops wrote: i live in DC and everyone's quite on edge this weekend. that's all i'll say. Isn't DC one of the most violent cities in the US? On average they should be more worried about being in a traffic accident or getting killed in a robbery. | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
Heck, Coconuts falling on people have killed more than Al Quade has in the US the last 10 years... No disrespect for any Americans or whatnot whom are deeply saddened or emotionally invested in this, I can understand that some people are, but for someone who isn't american and has seen so much suffering and death in the world first hand I just find it hard to care when so few of the worlds richest people die when millions or poor die and nobody gives two shits. | ||
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Popss
Sweden176 Posts
On September 10 2011 06:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote: The same argument can be applied to an individual who is obligated not to violate the rights of others and avoid causing harm, unless you don't believe individuals have such obligations . Going through with it or not definitely depends on your political and ethical/moral beliefs though for both cases. I don't think it would be any harder to argue that there is nothing wrong with expecting people to act as principled as a state, or the other way around, than it would be to argue that you can't. I believe individual have such obligations, but I don't expect them to follow them to such extremes as I would expect states to. And you're right it depends on your political, ethical and moral beliefs. Just I thought the U.S. had certain beliefs about for example human rights that meant they would never do many of the things they did in fact do in the "war on terror". My point is simply that for me and many others the view on America has unfortunately changed for the worse over the last 10 years. And I find that sad because it all started with these scum of the earth murdering 3,000 innocent civilians. | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On September 10 2011 07:05 Krehlmar wrote: God I am so bored with this whole 9/11 thing... christ 2900 people is not a large quantity nor percantage of the american people, abhorrent yes, terrible yes, but there is still 10 000 people dying for starvation every day and more than four times as many people die from murders just in the US. Heck, Coconuts falling on people have killed more than Al Quade has in the US the last 10 years... No disrespect for any Americans or whatnot whom are deeply saddened or emotionally invested in this, I can understand that some people are, but for someone who isn't american and has seen so much suffering and death in the world first hand I just find it hard to care when so few of the worlds richest people die when millions or poor die and nobody gives two shits. Well people care about things they can relate to, obviously. Only like 80 (?) people died in Norway, but it's still on the news every now and again here in Denmark so long afterwards. If someone you know dies you care more. For the same reason people care more when 2900 Americans die than if 10,000 Africans die. I really dislike the "but so many other people are dying why are you caring about so few" argument, because it's idiotic. And yea they say this every year but nothing ever happens, terrorists havent really done much lately, they're not really that scary. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On September 10 2011 06:59 Craze wrote: For all the people complaining, would you rather the government not take action to stop a possible attack and/or warn the public? Like say... exactly what the administration did before 9/11 when they had information about the attack but thought it unlikely to occur? 3,000 people dying that you don't know may seem trivial to you, but it's not to 3,000 families, friends and loved ones. As an American I'm perfectly willing to have my email looked at by some government agency if it means they may catch a terrorist and save families from going through the same pain experienced on 9/11. And lets get real, we live in a world where things aren't all hunky dory. Sometimes people have to do tough shit, and if the government needs to "torture" some terrorist intent on killing as many people as possible then go for it. Governments know this, it's the outraged populace that complain that we can't sing campfire songs and hold hands with Al Qaeda that don't get it. These people don't want friends, they don't even want us to leave them alone, they want us to burn. Tens of thousands of people die in traffic accidents every year. Do you support mandatory alcohol detectors in cars and systems that prevent them from going faster than the speed limit? These are arguably less drastic measures than reading email or airport patdowns, cost a fraction of what the US spends on counter-terrorism every year and would save tens of thousands of lives every year. | ||
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Sovern
United States312 Posts
On September 10 2011 06:44 Thrasymachus725 wrote: What the US has done has done as a result of 9/11 is nothing short of barbaric. If you ask me, they have far surpassed the horrific event on 9/11 with their revenge. Enjoy living with your fear. I'm sorry that we didn't wag our tail between our legs like your county would have done. In my opinion its much better to try to eliminate the problem (Al Qaeda) than to let them get away with thousands of murders and continue to grow as a terrorist group. If we want to grow as a world, we have to get rid of these terrorist groups. It was either go after the source of the terrorist attacks or be cowards and let them grow as a terrorist group. You cant just ignore a problem (terrorist groups) and expect them to disappear. On September 10 2011 07:16 hypercube wrote: Tens of thousands of people die in traffic accidents every year. Do you support mandatory alcohol detectors in cars and systems that prevent them from going faster than the speed limit? These are arguably less drastic measures than reading email or airport patdowns, cost a fraction of what the US spends on counter-terrorism every year and would save tens of thousands of lives every year. I agree with hypercube, I don't mind having my email checked and I also don't mind having something installed in my car that would detect if I was intoxicated or not. Both of these things would save thousands of lives but some people care too much about their "freedom". Too much freedom and we make the planet unlivable with overpopulation (right now anybody can plop out as many babies as they want and the government will support them) and innocent people will continue to die because stupid people will continue to do stupid things (people that probably don't even know what freedom is). | ||
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Antares777
United States1971 Posts
On September 10 2011 07:05 Krehlmar wrote: God I am so bored with this whole 9/11 thing... christ 2900 people is not a large quantity What? nor percantage of the american people, abhorrent yes, terrible yes, but there is still 10 000 people dying for starvation every day and more than four times as many people die from murders just in the US. Heck, Coconuts falling on people have killed more than Al Quade has in the US the last 10 years... I do not think so. Coconut trees do not grow everywhere in the U.S., only in the tropical-ish areas. If coconuts killed more people in the U.S. than Al Qaeda, I'd be really surprised. No disrespect for any Americans or whatnot whom are deeply saddened or emotionally invested in this, I can understand that some people are, but for someone who isn't american and has seen so much suffering and death in the world first hand I just find it hard to care when so few of the worlds richest people die when millions or poor die and nobody gives two shits. You think that the 3 000 or so people that died from the 9/11 terrorist attack are among the worlds richest people? That's how I am reading this, I'm sure you didn't mean it that way though, so moving on. It's not true that no one cares about starvation, I agree that a lot more could be done to stop it from happening though. I understand that some people who are not from/live in the U.S. would care little or even not at all about the 9/11 terrorist attacks, but if a terrorist attack with equal to or greater magnitude of 9/11 were to happen in your country, then I'm sure it would invoke a lot of emotion. | ||
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Ryfje
United Kingdom23 Posts
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