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On September 09 2011 17:19 InTheCloudss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 10:50 Falling wrote:
I could maybe agree with the bolded part, but this is not the way to do it. Furthermore, quite contrary to getting soft on children, there's quite a few children growing up suffering from child abuse (and I would imagine, they would be much more impervious to this sort of tactic- random stranger or your parent? Which will be more damaging?) as well as far more children getting stuck in custody battles and fears of kidnapping because of said custody battles. If society is softer on children, it's become just as hard as well. Or perhaps it was always hard, I have no idea. yes there are cases of things like that happening but i that's not what i meant, im talking about the large part of the parents who spoil their children to death and cry out of outrage when a child gets punished by anything else then a "timeout" They let them do whatever they want and brush it off whit, he is just a child (the age of remaining a child is rising too :S)
to me this whole "rising age of remaining a child" is bad for responsiblity.
It teaches kids they can be irresponsible douchebags, and then when 18 years old rolls around, suddenly they have to change? This goes against ALL known understanding of how the brain works, and how psychology works. Ingrained patterns cant suddenly SWITCH at the drop of a birthday.
Its the fault of newer parent generations trying to "protect" and baby their children for as long as possible, that is leading to what we're having to deal with now. Generations of "children" who are immature, irresponsible, etc.
In all human history before the 1800's, you grew up at 12-14. And if you didn't you were punished to make damn sure you did. This died off in the western world early, but persisted in the East until the early to mid 1900's, and persists today in many Middle Eastern parts. Age Of Sexual Consent is directly tied to their lifestyle and when they start treating "children" as people needing to get responsible and grow up. It points in the direction of how the society teaches children to grow up (or to not to and suffer the consequences of thinking they are when they are still acting like children from all that ingrained behavior pattern that has been set up by being allowed to stay children).
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Have you ever typed up a decent amount of content for a reply on one of these threads, spent a little time editing it and thinking about the depth and accuracy of said content, and then simply sat back, said , "Fuck it." and just highlighted and deleted the whole thing?
I did that with this thread. Had some good tirades about the two shows (OG scared straight and this new "beyond" one) and the range of behavioral shortcomings the two shows present the viewer.
Then I realized I was spending an hour on a TL thread again, trying to conceptualize some deep shit that would in fact be glazed over with little to no thought or attention paid to it. Not trollin just accepting the realities of digital interaction: good intentions for having thoughtful discussions on deep subjects that rarely pan out in any kind of beneficial way.
Ironically I still typed up something and posted in spite of deleting the original. Had I been upset over wasted time the first typing around, you can imagine I'm pissed about having just doubled the time spent. LOLZ
I will say this, it seems to me that they basically took the old show concept where the inmates do the scaring, added a new adjective to the SAME FUCKING TITLE, and then showed you what giving authority to human beings results in and have the guards do the scaring.
Ok so maybe there is more to the show but if you've EVER been even CLOSE to the inside of jail you don't want to be spending precious entertainment time being reminded of how shitty and fucked up the whole goddamn institution is.
The Stanford Prison experiment demonstrated rather well just how fucked up people become when given even the slightest amount of authority over their OWN PEERS let alone people they know nothing about.
For those who don't know about the Stanford prison experiment please see http://www.prisonexp.org/links.htm and check that shit out. Specifically, if you don't know about it and have a minimally evolved mammal brain (no lizards, birds, or fish) please also read http://www.prisonexp.org/pdf/geninfo.pdf
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On September 09 2011 21:11 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 10:40 SpoR wrote:
The thing is if the kids aren't fucking stupid then they know the inmates and cops won't do anything to them and then the whole thing is just a joke. You can stand there and yell back, close your eyes and pretend you are asleep, whatever the fuck you want because they can't touch you and nothing bad will ever happen. Just like stupid fear factor, how is that shit even scary? You are hooked up to the most ridiculous safety rigs in the world.
Also, just from personal experience dealing with yelling from adults when I was an adolescent and teen, I generally just sat there nodding my head and just ignoring the tons of bullshit coming out." In one ear, out the other" as the saying goes. Usually afterwords, I left the office or whatever just going "hey look all I have to deal with when I get in trouble is some stupid fucks yelling/preaching, nothing I haven't heard at home or outside my entire life". It's not even punishment, it's not going to set anyone straight 100% of the time, and it teaches kids to just work the system. Even when threatened with detention or grounding it's nothing because all you do is sit there bored and think of (probably bad shit to do to fill the time). you must be Einstein. This show isn't reality TV, considering it was around in fucking 1978. That shit isn't fake. Act up and smile in their faces and get your teeth knocked down your fucking throat. Yell back and try to act big and bad. "They can't touch you" - are you a dunce? These are guys in prison for life. I'm sure beating the smirk off of some kid's face is going to make them think twice. /sarcasm
Reality is not new first of all. Second of all these inmates are obviously doing this for some benefit. If they hit a kid, the prison or someone will be sued and the prisoner will obviously not get his bonus and probably might even be thrown in the hole and beaten down by the guards.
/not scared
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On September 10 2011 04:46 ins(out)side wrote:
Have you ever typed up a decent amount of content for a reply on one of these threads, spent a little time editing it and thinking about the depth and accuracy of said content, and then simply sat back, said , "Fuck it." and just highlighted and deleted the whole thing?
I did that with this thread. Had some good tirades about the two shows (OG scared straight and this new "beyond" one) and the range of behavioral shortcomings the two shows present the viewer.
Then I realized I was spending an hour on a TL thread again, trying to conceptualize some deep shit that would in fact be glazed over with little to no thought or attention paid to it.
Yeah I go on tirades all the time then delete it midpost, glad im not the only one. And the funny thing is I kind of felt like skipping through most of your post also :p . Its not just the nature of the internet, its kind of how it has to be when ur talking with so many people, where individuality drowns out until someone says something wrong and gets picked off, ridiculed and eaten by a roaring wave of political correct trolls or hit by a random meaningless reply as this.
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This disturbs you? You'll probably want to stay away from anything depicting military bootcamp, let alone experiencing the real deal.
Anyways I love the show. As someone who's experienced something similar through NROTC, it's pretty entertaining to see these kids get a taste of a high stress environment. But it's also more than just that. Seeing success stories at the end of the episode is just great.
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No way to take the hardass out of someone faster than to show them they're not the hardest one in the room. I'm pretty liberal and I don't see the down side to the show at all. Got to break someone to rebuild them. Not like they can actually lay hands on the kids so when they drag them aside and get "real" it's not like they're in any danger whatsoever.
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On September 10 2011 05:59 SpoR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 21:11 Ace wrote:On September 09 2011 10:40 SpoR wrote:
The thing is if the kids aren't fucking stupid then they know the inmates and cops won't do anything to them and then the whole thing is just a joke. You can stand there and yell back, close your eyes and pretend you are asleep, whatever the fuck you want because they can't touch you and nothing bad will ever happen. Just like stupid fear factor, how is that shit even scary? You are hooked up to the most ridiculous safety rigs in the world.
Also, just from personal experience dealing with yelling from adults when I was an adolescent and teen, I generally just sat there nodding my head and just ignoring the tons of bullshit coming out." In one ear, out the other" as the saying goes. Usually afterwords, I left the office or whatever just going "hey look all I have to deal with when I get in trouble is some stupid fucks yelling/preaching, nothing I haven't heard at home or outside my entire life". It's not even punishment, it's not going to set anyone straight 100% of the time, and it teaches kids to just work the system. Even when threatened with detention or grounding it's nothing because all you do is sit there bored and think of (probably bad shit to do to fill the time). you must be Einstein. This show isn't reality TV, considering it was around in fucking 1978. That shit isn't fake. Act up and smile in their faces and get your teeth knocked down your fucking throat. Yell back and try to act big and bad. "They can't touch you" - are you a dunce? These are guys in prison for life. I'm sure beating the smirk off of some kid's face is going to make them think twice. /sarcasm Reality is not new first of all. Second of all these inmates are obviously doing this for some benefit. If they hit a kid, the prison or someone will be sued and the prisoner will obviously not get his bonus and probably might even be thrown in the hole and beaten down by the guards. /not scared
The point is to show them the circumstances they would be living in if they continue their ways. Make no mistake about it, if someone in prison wants to hurt another prisoner, the guards won't be able to stop it.
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On September 10 2011 07:06 OuchyDathurts wrote:
No way to take the hardass out of someone faster than to show them they're not the hardest one in the room. I'm pretty liberal and I don't see the down side to the show at all. Got to break someone to rebuild them. Not like they can actually lay hands on the kids so when they drag them aside and get "real" it's not like they're in any danger whatsoever.
Well, they "could" lay hands on the kids (as in there are no force fields preventing it). However, the prisoners involved in that program are trying to help the kids, not hurt them. Also, hurting children is one of those "unacceptable" actions in the prisoner "code". However, if these kids don't wise up, they could find themselves in places like that, in which case they wouldn't be kids, and would be in for a world of hurt.
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On September 10 2011 07:10 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 07:06 OuchyDathurts wrote:
No way to take the hardass out of someone faster than to show them they're not the hardest one in the room. I'm pretty liberal and I don't see the down side to the show at all. Got to break someone to rebuild them. Not like they can actually lay hands on the kids so when they drag them aside and get "real" it's not like they're in any danger whatsoever. Well, they "could" lay hands on the kids (as in there are no force fields preventing it). However, the prisoners involved in that program are trying to help the kids, not hurt them. Also, hurting children is one of those "unacceptable" actions in the prisoner "code". However, if these kids don't wise up, they could find themselves in places like that, in which case they wouldn't be kids, and would be in for a world of hurt.
They're not stupid enough to attack a kid on camera, surrounded by guards. They're literally in no harm in every sense of the word. May as well have force fields around them.
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On September 08 2011 04:25 tdynasty wrote:
I've even heard of kids dying.
The truth is this type of correctional facility being on TV is a good thing.
Now the public can openly critise this and in turn more attention will be given to the brutality endured by these kids.
Ahaha, you have a wonderfully high opinion of people who watch reality TV.
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I think the show is excellent, gotta go to extremes to be able to reach out to these thugs, they're so in their own bubble that they need to see what'll happen if they keep going.
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