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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 02 2012 19:19 GMT
#10141
$3 per day is a lot of money. That said, the law students could definitely pay for that out of their drinking budgets. You have no fucking idea how much they drink.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15728 Posts
March 02 2012 19:25 GMT
#10142
On March 03 2012 04:19 xDaunt wrote:
$3 per day is a lot of money. That said, the law students could definitely pay for that out of their drinking budgets. You have no fucking idea how much they drink.

Are you operating under the assumption that law students are the only ones who benefit from birth control? :p
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 20:16:42
March 02 2012 19:26 GMT
#10143
On March 03 2012 03:56 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 03:44 kwizach wrote:
On March 03 2012 03:16 xDaunt wrote:
On March 03 2012 03:11 Focuspants wrote:
On March 03 2012 02:47 xDaunt wrote:
On March 03 2012 02:37 Signet wrote:
Condoms don't just prevent pregnancy, they also prevent the spread of STDs. They are also health insurance business.


Yeah, this is the point being lost in this whole debate. From a guy's point of view, you have to be an utter idiot to rely solely upon the pill for protection during sex. STD's are too rampant to not use condoms, and women simply can't be trusted to reliably use the pill. There are too many occurrences where a girl says she is taking the pill but isn't doing it properly. It isn't worth the risk.


That has nothing to do with it at all. You havent seemed to accept the fact that the pill is used for other purposes, aside from birth control. I have a couple friends that arent sexually active at the moment, but have been on the pill for years due to various issues. You want to tell these women "deal with your cramps, your acne, your cysts, your increased chance of cancer, etc... because you just want to be a slut"?

You havent seen the point 2 pages of posters have been trying to make. Stop being stubborn and realize this isnt a slut vs. not-slut issue, its far deeper an issue than that. Thats only besides the point that offering viagra, which is ONLY for boning to non married men, makes this entire debate hypocritical.

Yet again I am left baffled at how this is actually even a political issue. My fiancee has been on the pill for 6 years, hasnt paid a penny, and overall, weve probably saved the system money. We cant afford a child being only 24, and finishing our degrees. We would be 100x more of a burden to the system if we had a child, and were coming from middle class families. The poor, who procreate the most, cause an incredible burden, and offering them contraception can curb that rate and save the system way more money than dealing with 18 more poor kids would cost.


I'm well aware of the other reasons why birth control is prescribed, and, quite frankly, they're all irrelevant to the larger point that I am going blue in the face repeating:

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES NOT HAVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL POWER TO MANDATE THAT PRIVATE PERSONS BUY OR SELL SPECIFIC PRODUCTS AND SERVICES.

Sure it does. See the 1937 Supreme court rulings on the social security act.


No, those aren't the same. Those were states rights and powers of taxation cases, which are different. The better examples are the commerce clause cases, particularly Wickard v. Filburn where the Court said that the government had the power to apply and enforce wheat supply quotas for the purpose of regulating the price of wheat nationally. However, this is still a little bit different because it's a restraint on production rather than a affirmative mandate to buy or sell. (As I have said elsewhere, the Supreme Court is probably going to gut Wickard when it rules on Obamacare).

They're not different in that the justification was Article I Section 8 of the Constitution which says "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the [...] general Welfare of the United States". The Supreme court could very well argue that this section also applies to what we're talking about.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 20:26:41
March 02 2012 20:23 GMT
#10144
On March 03 2012 04:25 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 04:19 xDaunt wrote:
$3 per day is a lot of money. That said, the law students could definitely pay for that out of their drinking budgets. You have no fucking idea how much they drink.

Are you operating under the assumption that law students are the only ones who benefit from birth control? :p


No, I just wanted to poke fun at law students because 1) we're commenting on the testimony of a female law student from Georgetown about how expensive birth control is for her, and 2) I was a law student. On the latter point, I can say with some authority that female law students tend to be fairly defective on a personal level. Don't get me wrong, many of them are brilliant and make great lawyers, but it's those same traits that make them horrible people to date. Unfortunately, I didn't figure that one out until half way through law school.
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
March 02 2012 20:33 GMT
#10145
On March 03 2012 05:23 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 04:25 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 03 2012 04:19 xDaunt wrote:
$3 per day is a lot of money. That said, the law students could definitely pay for that out of their drinking budgets. You have no fucking idea how much they drink.

Are you operating under the assumption that law students are the only ones who benefit from birth control? :p


No, I just wanted to poke fun at law students because 1) we're commenting on the testimony of a female law student from Georgetown about how expensive birth control is for her, and 2) I was a law student. On the latter point, I can say with some authority that female law students tend to be fairly defective on a personal level. Don't get me wrong, many of them are brilliant and make great lawyers, but it's those same traits that make them horrible people to date. Unfortunately, I didn't figure that one out until half way through law school.


lol, this post made my day. so true.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
March 02 2012 20:39 GMT
#10146
Limbaugh is such an asshole. He's hurting your cause, I don't see why people still support him.

The sad thing is that he's actually intelligent, but he has such severe personality defects.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
March 02 2012 20:49 GMT
#10147
The thing about Limbaugh is he isn't funny. He says things, they just aren't funny. He could get away with more of it if he was actually funny.
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
March 02 2012 20:53 GMT
#10148
On March 03 2012 04:12 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 04:07 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Just to put a little perspective on this contraception issue:

$3,000 over three years is under 3 dollars a day.

You're telling me this law student couldn't afford 3 dollars a day?


$3/day is roughly $90 a month. That's a lot of money.

it's 3 dollars a day.

i gaurantee you this woman spent more than 3 dollars a day on things that weren't essential to her health.

i'm poor as shit and i manage to get by spending $5/day on cigarettes.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 20:54:38
March 02 2012 20:54 GMT
#10149
On March 03 2012 05:39 Jibba wrote:
Limbaugh is such an asshole. He's hurting your cause, I don't see why people still support him.

The sad thing is that he's actually intelligent, but he has such severe personality defects.


Its definitely part of a business plan. I know for damn sure the guy is smart, but he also knows what he's doing by sensationalizing things, it serves as exploitation of emotions for viewership numbers. The key to is to balance it just enough and not go overboard too many times (like our old friends Glenn Beck or Keith Olbermann).
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 02 2012 20:55 GMT
#10150
Rhetoric aside, people support Limbaugh because he articulates "the cause" better than anyone else alive, and he does so with zero equivocation. There is no better example of this than his "I hope Obama fails" speech from 2009.
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
March 02 2012 21:00 GMT
#10151
On March 03 2012 05:39 Jibba wrote:
Limbaugh is such an asshole. He's hurting your cause, I don't see why people still support him.

The sad thing is that he's actually intelligent, but he has such severe personality defects.

Seems like an act. People pay for what they want to hear, and he knows that. Same with Bill O'Reilly or Glenn Beck, to varying degrees.

It's the social conservative base that's screwed up. If there's enough demand for a product, someone who can supply it will.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
March 02 2012 21:02 GMT
#10152
Well the unfortunate reality of American Protestant politics is that fire and brimstone rules all. I think even Catholics are uncomfortable with polarized view of the world presented.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 21:04:24
March 02 2012 21:04 GMT
#10153
On March 03 2012 06:00 Signet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 05:39 Jibba wrote:
Limbaugh is such an asshole. He's hurting your cause, I don't see why people still support him.

The sad thing is that he's actually intelligent, but he has such severe personality defects.

Seems like an act. People pay for what they want to hear, and he knows that. Same with Bill O'Reilly or Glenn Beck, to varying degrees.

It's the social conservative base that's screwed up. If there's enough demand for a product, someone who can supply it will.

Yes, but it hurts the relationship between deep social conservatives and moderates/libertarians. Even Santorum and Boehner are criticizing it now.
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DamnCats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1472 Posts
March 02 2012 21:27 GMT
#10154
I'm almost positive Rush Limbaugh is single-handedly responsible for a large percentage of anti depressants sold in America today. I've honestly tried to listen to him a few times with as much of an open mind as I can possibly muster and after 15 or 20 minutes I'm so seriously fucking depressed that a cretin such as him actually has people listening to him that I can barely muster the will to operate my own lungs.

And the only answer is he articulates "the cause" well? What exactly is "the cause"? Genuinely curious what this is. All I can think of is sarcasm :-/
Disciples of a god, that neither lives nor breathes.
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
March 02 2012 21:43 GMT
#10155
I think you are forgetting that Rush Limbaugh is a total clown. He loves making extremely controversial remarks because they get him attention. Well he successfully got attention, so he wins out. We're totally encouraging this kind of behavior. The Senate is condemning him? Sweet! How many people can say they got condemned by the Senate??

I mean I think he would actually need some sort of incentive to back off this kind of thing. It's not like he's going to lose advertising from this.

OH WAIT: Rush Limbaugh in hot water with sponsors after 'slut' remark
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
March 02 2012 21:43 GMT
#10156
On March 03 2012 06:04 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 06:00 Signet wrote:
On March 03 2012 05:39 Jibba wrote:
Limbaugh is such an asshole. He's hurting your cause, I don't see why people still support him.

The sad thing is that he's actually intelligent, but he has such severe personality defects.

Seems like an act. People pay for what they want to hear, and he knows that. Same with Bill O'Reilly or Glenn Beck, to varying degrees.

It's the social conservative base that's screwed up. If there's enough demand for a product, someone who can supply it will.

Yes, but it hurts the relationship between deep social conservatives and moderates/libertarians. Even Santorum and Boehner are criticizing it now.

You're probably right, but I'm not sure that it matters in practice. Until moderate conservatives and libertarians start voting for Democrats or Libertarian Party candidates, the deep social conservatives can say and do basically whatever they want as long as the keep taxes low.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 02 2012 22:07 GMT
#10157
I would be incredibly disappointed if Rush apologized. Fortunately he is in a position where he doesn't have to, and I expect him not to.
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 22:15:23
March 02 2012 22:12 GMT
#10158
the reason why conservatives like rush limbaugh is because, in their view, he states conservatism in a simple, funny, entertaining, no-fear way. he doesn't have to pander to liberals and the pc brigade because he is popular enough that he will always have a radio show.

all this outrage against him using the word "slut" is especially funny when it's thrown by people who have made fun of rush for his weight, his drug addiction, his perscription to viagra, his hearing loss, his wife, etc.


edit: apparently it's ok to call people retarded, stupid, idiots, etc.

but when rush calls someone a name, it's suddenly the end of the world...
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
DamnCats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1472 Posts
March 02 2012 22:13 GMT
#10159
On March 03 2012 07:07 xDaunt wrote:
I would be incredibly disappointed if Rush apologized. Fortunately he is in a position where he doesn't have to, and I expect him not to.


Yea, it's great being able to say stupid shit with absolutely no consequences because you're a politician who isn't running for office, but for a bigger bank account. And by great I of course mean is one of the main reasons American politics are so fucking retarded. It's the Sarah Palin effect, the dumber shit you spew, the richer you get! What a great country.
Disciples of a god, that neither lives nor breathes.
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
March 02 2012 22:18 GMT
#10160
On March 03 2012 07:12 sc2superfan101 wrote:
the reason why conservatives like rush limbaugh is because, in their view, he states conservatism in a simple, funny, entertaining, no-fear way. he doesn't have to pander to liberals and the pc brigade because he is popular enough that he will always have a radio show.

all this outrage against him using the word "slut" is especially funny when it's thrown by people who have made fun of rush for his weight, his drug addiction, his perscription to viagra, his hearing loss, his wife, etc.


edit: apparently it's ok to call people retarded, stupid, idiots, etc.

but when rush calls someone a name, it's suddenly the end of the world...

Personally, I don't give a damn what Rush says. It's just entertainment, and sometimes it's funny.

People point out his drug addiction / weight / viagra use etc because he's a fucking hypocrite to say the things he does about other people while having those things going on in his own life.
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