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GreenManalishi
Canada834 Posts
On January 17 2012 13:13 Falling wrote: Wait. Why do they keep saying it's a two person race between Romney and Gingerich? Gingerich has been doing terrible at the primaries. Because people want to pretend that there is a candidate, besides Romney, who is electable. A one horse race is pretty boring. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
edit: 3rd in iowa indeed | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On January 17 2012 13:09 xDaunt wrote: The alternatives were to refuse to raise the debt ceiling or to give Obama a blank check debt ceiling raise. Neither is particularly good. Basically, the democrats didn't give republicans much of a choice. Consequently, I have absolutely no problem laying 100% of the blame at the feet of democrats for the military reductions. Think about it this way, if the republicans introduced a bill to reverse the automatic military spending cuts (which they absolutely would if they thought it would pass), do you think that democrats would support it? Hell no. Well you reap what you sow. The reps had been pushing Obama all year for major deficit reforms, they pushed the debt ceiling issue and it back-fired. Obama called their bluff with a huge bill that might actually do something and they balked. So in response they agree to the super committee and now blame Obama for that agreement? Sorry no dice with me. They had an opportunity to come to agreement prior to the debt ceiling issue and they chose to play the beligerent game. I am not saying Obama is not to blame but to absolve the Reps of any part of this is just not fair. | ||
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GreenManalishi
Canada834 Posts
On January 17 2012 13:15 darthfoley wrote: The audiences at these things never cease to amaze me. Ron Paul, after getting 2nd in every primary is somehow seat on the farthest right. Ha. Fox News at its finest. He didn't get 2nd in Iowa, he got 3rd. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On January 17 2012 13:19 GreenManalishi wrote: He didn't get 2nd in Iowa, he got 3rd. Ah, you're right. My apologies. Either way he's been the arguably the second most consistent candidate. | ||
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
On January 17 2012 13:15 darthfoley wrote: The audiences at these things never cease to amaze me. Ron Paul, after getting 2nd in every primary is somehow seat on the farthest right. Ha. Fox News at its finest. and given the least amount of speaking time. Freaking absurd that he got to talk like 5 times when perry who is pretty much last in the polls got so much more speaking time | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On January 17 2012 13:22 Housemd wrote: and given the least amount of speaking time. Freaking absurd that he got to talk like 5 times when perry who is pretty much last in the polls got so much more speaking time Perry's on life support, i'm surprised he hasn't quit yet. | ||
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
On January 17 2012 13:23 darthfoley wrote: Perry's on life support, i'm surprised he hasn't quit yet. Yea me too. and he still gets so much time to speak. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On January 17 2012 13:09 xDaunt wrote: The alternatives were to refuse to raise the debt ceiling or to give Obama a blank check debt ceiling raise. Neither is particularly good. Basically, the democrats didn't give republicans much of a choice. Consequently, I have absolutely no problem laying 100% of the blame at the feet of democrats for the military reductions. Think about it this way, if the republicans introduced a bill to reverse the automatic military spending cuts (which they absolutely would if they thought it would pass), do you think that democrats would support it? Hell no. Obama offered both a 3:1 and a 2.5:1 spending:tax deal during the debt ceiling fight. Guess which party rejected it? I mean, seriously, you're trying to paint the Democrats for hard-lining when they offered the most spending cuts to tax increases since Reagan, and the Republicans rejected the deal, before it even got to specifics? And blaming Democrats for tying defense cuts to the trigger because the Republicans rejected tax hikes as part of the trigger? What kind of parallel universe do you live in? | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On January 17 2012 13:36 acker wrote: Obama offered both a 3:1 and a 2.5:1 spending:tax deal during the debt ceiling fight. Guess which party rejected it? I mean, seriously, you're trying to paint the Democrats for hard-lining when they offered the most spending cuts to tax increases since Reagan, and the Republicans rejected the deal? And blaming Democrats for tying defense cuts to the trigger because the Republicans rejected tax hikes as part of the trigger? What kind of parallel universe do you live in? Well said. | ||
Falling
Canada11607 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
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BobTheBuilder1377
Somalia335 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On January 17 2012 13:41 Falling wrote: Hm. I missed most of the debate, but reading some summaries, I take it the gladiator crowd is back? Cheering about American soldiers pissing on dead bodies? Basically, booing ron paul for saying basically "think of it from their point of view" | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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SerpentFlame
418 Posts
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SoLaR[i.C]
United States2969 Posts
On January 17 2012 13:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: New Ron Paul ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSVi45vfA6o Solid ad. It really is true - Ronnie boy is the only one who never strays from his ideals. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On January 17 2012 13:05 Housemd wrote: I think that romney definitely screwed up. He didn't seem as confident with his answers and newt plus rick slammed him hard both at the start and at the end of the race. And god that crowd seemed hostile towards pauls foreign policy. At least he was able to redeem himself with the war mongering idea that he uses. I read before that fox hires their crowd specifically those that are as biased as the news organization. Anyone confirm or deny that fact Well we know they tell crowds to yell what and when in the background when they are showing stuff from the field. Wouldn't put it past them to only give seats to those people who are for whoever canidate they endorse. Anyway I think of myself a liberal and democrat in most senses and I just think most of the Republican candidates just seem like major retards tbh. I'd only possible think about voting for Paul because he seems like he actually knows what hes talking about and would get something done, though some of his views I don't agree with. Still voting for Obama though because I feel like hes the better decision. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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SoLaR[i.C]
United States2969 Posts
On January 17 2012 14:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6GqWqikTns Ratio-wise, did Ron Paul get that amount of time to talk? That video sickens me. They phrase the question so it looks like Ron Paul doesn't get a shit about national security and then a bunch of war-mongering idiots boo him. | ||
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