EPTthough this is hardly a war on organic food
California Raids Rawesome Food - Page 2
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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Cold-Blood
United States200 Posts
On August 06 2011 14:29 shinosai wrote: It's my opinion here that this raid was absurd, and so is California law. How dare the government try and tell us what is healthy, when they created the joke that is known as the food pyramid. And whether or not you think raw milk is unsafe, what right do they have to regulate what I choose to drink. It's not even a drug! After I saw this I was extremely amazed you were smart enough to find this information and make a post. What is going through your head dumbass? The food pyramid wasn't made by the government, it's a real scientific truth..... They tell us what is safe and healthy so their entire nation doesn't ummmmm I don't know....die? Wow User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Binky1842
United States2599 Posts
On August 06 2011 14:40 Triscuit wrote: So is it your right to sell potentially harmful milk products to someone, who may or may not know the risk of consuming raw milk? What if said person feeds milk to her children, who have less established immune systems? Pasteurization is done for a reason. people don't go out and buy raw milk on a whim. raw milk, where i'm from, is about $15 a gallon. people who buy it know what raw milk is and have done their research on it to justify the price of purchasing it. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On August 06 2011 15:04 Binky1842 wrote: people don't go out and buy raw milk on a whim. raw milk, where i'm from, is about $15 a gallon. people who buy it know what raw milk is and have done their research on it to justify the price of purchasing it. They do research like the people who don't vaccinate their kids do research. | ||
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shinosai
United States1577 Posts
On August 06 2011 15:01 Cold-Blood wrote: After I saw this I was extremely amazed you were smart enough to find this information and make a post. What is going through your head dumbass? The food pyramid wasn't made by the government, it's a real scientific truth..... They tell us what is safe and healthy so their entire nation doesn't ummmmm I don't know....die? Wow Calling me a dumbass is not acceptable etiquette here on TL. Please respond with respect and I will do so in return, whether or not I agree with you. Anyways, it is fairly common knowledge that the food pyramid is highly outdated, and has often been linked to the growing obesity problem. I would encourage you to visit the teamliquid health and fitness initiative, and read up on why. Grains are supposed to be the largest part of our diet, but as much scientific research points out, they are often poisonous to our body. The food pyramid wasn't made by the government, but it was institutionalized and endorsed by it in our educational system. They are not qualified to tell us whether or not organic food is healthy, when they already encourage a diet that may be a contributing factor to obesity. | ||
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gorbonic
United States73 Posts
For reference: FDA information on Milk Safety Is it safe to consume raw milk? A: No. Raw milk is inherently dangerous and it should not be consumed by anyone at any time for any purpose...From 1998 to 2008, 85 outbreaks of human infections resulting from consumption of raw milk were reported to CDC. These outbreaks included a total of 1,614 reported illnesses, 187 hospitalizations and 2 deaths. Because not all cases of foodborne illness are recognized and reported, the actual number of illnesses associated with raw milk likely is greater. I hope that clears up any misconceptions. EDIT: Also, certain kinds of cheese do not fall under the category of "raw milk product" in California, and are legal for sale. If it's ripened or cured for at least 60 days, it can be raw and you'll face no consequences. Once again, good cheese is not an issue. Starcraft players may find this troubling: good cheese? Here is a summary of California's raw milk laws, according to a pro-raw milk advocacy group (their summary appears to be objective). I've put in bold some lines of interest: Sales of raw milk and raw milk products are legal both in stores and on the farm. In order for raw milk to be sold legally, it must be 'market milk. 'This is milk that meets the standards provided in the Milk and Milk Products Act of 1947. Under the Act, market milk is graded and designated into three classes:'certified milk,' 'guaranteed milk,' and 'Grade A milk. 'Of the three classes, only Grade A raw milk is available for sale today in California. The standards for guaranteed raw milk to be market milk are more stringent than those for Grade A raw milk. While the Milk and Milk Products Act calls for county milk commissions to set the standards for certified raw milk, not a single county milk commission still exists. Raw milk dairy farmers need market milk permits in order to produce their product. In addition, any person engaged in an aspect of the milk business that falls under the statutory definition of milk products plant must obtain a milk products plant license. There is an exemption from the license requirement, however, for "any producer whose business consists exclusively of producing and distributing raw market milk produced by such producer." Raw milk and most raw milk products require warning labels. Municipalities and counties in the state have the power to establish compulsory pasteurization laws but only Humboldt County has done so. Based on what has been reported, here's what seems to have happened: - The FDA was involved, which means the people arrested were probably selling raw milk products that crossed state lines, or else were suspected of doing so. - Selling raw milk is legal in California, so the suspects probably did some stupid things like sell unlabeled jugs of non-grade A milk without a license. - They had probably made their illegal activities habitual and had no plans to conform to law, even though it would have been both possible and reasonable to do so. My conclusion is that the suspects are trying to drum up publicity for their pet ideology. I prefer to stand in line with the scientists and health care workers and people who pay health insurance who have to deal with the "natural" consequences of shady business practice. | ||
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S.O.L.I.D.
United States792 Posts
On August 06 2011 14:49 Ingenol wrote: This is disgusting. The government has no business telling anyone what they can or cannot put in or do to their bodies, or to tell anyone what they can or cannot sell to someone. It's YOUR body and you need to be responsible for it. So cocaine, methamphetamine, and heroin should be legal, and selling them should be too? Sure, it's your body, but it's the government's responsibility to keep its people safe, and selling food that hasn't been regulated by the FDA and such is not safe (not necessarily unsafe, but one cannot be sure of how safe it is). Hell just look at the post above mine. | ||
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Nagano
United States1157 Posts
On August 06 2011 15:01 Cold-Blood wrote: After I saw this I was extremely amazed you were smart enough to find this information and make a post. What is going through your head dumbass? The food pyramid wasn't made by the government, it's a real scientific truth..... They tell us what is safe and healthy so their entire nation doesn't ummmmm I don't know....die? Wow Food pyramid...scientific truth.... Can't....stop ... Laughing.... Loooooooool. Knowledge, fill yourself with it. I can buy smokes, some 90 proof that will fuck up anyone in 1 minute flat, hfcs up the ass guaranteed to hook me into the healthcare system when I'm 50, fat, and diabetic. Yet, raw milk I beyond that line. All I'm saying is be open to challenging what is in plain sight, instead of trying to be some letter-of-the-law internet hardass. | ||
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RaLakedaimon
United States1564 Posts
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theBizness
United States696 Posts
Sigh, and CA is supposed to be full of "liberal hippies". I still can't find cheese worth a damn here. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On August 06 2011 15:06 semantics wrote: They do research like the people who don't vaccinate their kids do research. I wish those kind of people wouldn't have been vaccinated T_T | ||
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
I'm not sure if you guys are aware of it but a very recent bill forbid any american to possess and grow natural seeds. This is one of the most disgusting rule out there. You can not feed your cows or grow your own vegetables with seeds that doesn't come from the corporate industry. This senate bill has been voted without consentment of the public and has not been mediatizied. There is something terribly wrong and I see that as a criminal act from the US governement. You can't forbid the nature, that's stupid and immoral. It seems they don't want you to be self dependant, wich is a shame in an economical crise. I don't know if the farmer were arrested for that, but that could be a reason... | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On August 06 2011 15:14 theBizness wrote: This is the reason why cheese is so much better in Europe. I'll give you a hint - they don't pasteurize it. America loves it's processed/subsidized/lobbyist industries. Cellulose additives to dairy products? Sure. Cotton in salad dressing? Sure. Orange juice deoxygenated and stripped of flavor then flavor derived from oranges re-added to the juice (it's how Tropicana et al make their stuff)? Sure. Sigh, and CA is supposed to be full of "liberal hippies". I still can't find cheese worth a damn here. You can make cheese from unpasteurized milk as long as you store it at the right temperature and hold it for 60+ days to age. That's not dangerous. Milk is a different story, raw milk is considered a safety hazard because of all the deaths it has caused. It still kills people every couple of years, and makes thousands of others sick. | ||
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warblob004
United States198 Posts
http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2010/07/26/cheese-seized-public-health-department-raids-raw-dairy-vendor/ Though it also seems like total overkill... destroying the shop & arresting the owner without reading his rights? Even if it was illegal, can those measures be taken? Seems like both sides are at fault | ||
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Nagano
United States1157 Posts
On August 06 2011 15:11 S.O.L.I.D. wrote: So cocaine, methamphetamine, and heroin should be legal, and selling them should be too? Sure, it's your body, but it's the government's responsibility to keep its people safe, and selling food that hasn't been regulated by the FDA and such is not safe (not necessarily unsafe, but one cannot be sure of how safe it is). Guess what, if you wanted coke and meth, you could get it. If some mindless crackhead can score it daily, so can you. The point is less govt intervention, more freedom. Oh, you know, the principles upon which this country was founded. You honestly believe, that in the 21st century, if substances like marijuana were made legal, its usage would RISE? I want to live in a country where if I wanted raw humane milk, I could get it from farmer John down the block. Every year new laws are being put in place widely influenced by big agro. That's not the road I'd want to continue down. | ||
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Nagano
United States1157 Posts
On August 06 2011 15:09 gorbonic wrote: As a general response (I can't hold back): Please, please, please note the difference between raw and organic milk. Pasteurized organic milk is perfectly legal in California. What "the government" is wary of is RAW (unpasteurized) milk. This is also a Federal issue. For reference: FDA information on Milk Safety I hope that clears up any misconceptions. Holy shit 2 deaths in 10 years, someone call the SWAT team. Oh wait.... | ||
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Crisco
1170 Posts
On August 06 2011 15:19 warblob004 wrote: Seems like a built up reaction - supposedly the feds have been trying to arrest this guy since 2005. http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2010/07/26/cheese-seized-public-health-department-raids-raw-dairy-vendor/ Though it also seems like total overkill... destroying the shop & arresting the owner without reading his rights? Even if it was illegal, can those measures be taken? Seems like both sides are at fault it can be interpreted as knowingly endangering the lives of others (regardless of the other's consent or not) | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On August 06 2011 15:22 Nagano wrote: Holy shit 2 deaths in 10 years, someone call the SWAT team. Oh wait.... It was only 2 deaths because selling raw milk was illegal during that 10 year period and very little raw milk was consumed as a result of strict enforcement of the law. | ||
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l00l
179 Posts
On August 06 2011 15:18 Diks wrote: http://www.naturalnews.com/030418_Food_Safety_Modernization_Act_seeds.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEr9EeXe4I0 I'm not sure if you guys are aware of it but a very recent bill forbid any american to possess and grow natural seeds. This is one of the most disgusting rule out there. You can not feed your cows or grow your own vegetables with seeds that doesn't come from the corporate industry. This senate bill has been voted without consentment of the public and has not been mediatizied. There is something terribly wrong and I see that as a criminal act from the US governement. You can't forbid the nature, that's stupid and immoral. It seems they don't want you to be self dependant, wich is a shame in an economical crise. I don't know if the farmer were arrested for that, but that could be a reason... http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-510 | ||
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