EPTCalifornia Raids Rawesome Food - Page 24
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Ig
United States417 Posts
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Cold-Blood
United States200 Posts
On August 08 2011 17:32 MamiyaOtaru wrote: Not much, but they have every right to regulate what people sell / make available to large numbers of other people. They didn't arrest you, they arrested the guy selling the goods that didn't measure up to health standards Agreed, maybe they don't have a right to tell YOU what to drink, but they are responsible for all 300 millions lives in this country and if they feel something is unhealthy they have a right to act on something that could potentially harm masses of people. Even if you are 100% positive and sure that it is not harmful, better safe than not right? | ||
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iba001
Australia156 Posts
On August 06 2011 14:34 Disquiet wrote: I'm pretty sure you can eat whatever organic food you want, but if you want to sell it you have to comply with regulations/agree to have your product tested to ensure it meets standard. This guy didn't and got arrested, simple as that. and its nothing to do with the law against drugs, its about preventing selling of food that has not been tested and may not be safe. no, the selling of raw milk in itself was what got them arrested, not the selling of unsafe raw milk. You cannot legally sell raw milk in USA, and I'm pretty sure Australia as well. On August 06 2011 14:34 Disquiet wrote: By the way organic food is a scam its +50% in price for absolutely no health benefit, and it usually tastes worse. source? I buy organics sometimes (mostly apples) and I can tell the difference. Just my opinion though: which is also how you should have prefaced your "fact". | ||
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lozarian
United Kingdom1043 Posts
What the hell? I'm British, we don't have raw milk here. I have never ever seen raw milk on sale in a shop, and I'm a pretentious bastard who frequents the sort of shop that might have it. The French drink UHT for god's sake. You can barely call it milk, let alone raw milk. It also makes crap tea. The only time I've ever had anything approximating raw milk was a non pasteurised cheese in France, which from what I've read - is both legal and consumed if not often then moderately frequently in the US. | ||
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Cold-Blood
United States200 Posts
source? I buy organics sometimes (mostly apples) and I can tell the difference. Just my opinion though: which is also how you should have prefaced your "fact". Yes thank you downing on organic/healthy food means nothing without source/facts. If that is your opinion it's perfectly fine just do not state it as such a true fact. I whole-heartedly agree though that I can tell the difference as well. I am a runner and I normally have breathing problems/cramps on weeks where I eat foods considered 'bad or worse' for you as to when I eat more fruits and vegetable throughout the week I breathe better and cramp almost never. | ||
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Brotkrumen
Germany193 Posts
On August 08 2011 17:37 iba001 wrote: no, the selling of raw milk in itself was what got them arrested, not the selling of unsafe raw milk. You cannot legally sell raw milk in USA, and I'm pretty sure Australia as well. source? I buy organics sometimes (mostly apples) and I can tell the difference. Just my opinion though: which is also how you should have prefaced your "fact". There was some post further up that linked the regulations for different kinds of milk. You can sell raw milk in the states, but you have to be the producer and you have to be certified. The scam part is that "organic" gets slapped onto everything these days even when industrial production does not differ from organic production, because there is no different way to produce the good, there are two prices for the products. It's like your toast is called "whole wheat" because the law requires a product to contain 25% of whole wheat products to be called whole wheat. At last, the data on health benefits for organic food is mixed. Some organic foods do better, some worse, some nothing. Another post further up posted the abstract of a meta-study of organic foods. Funnily enough, the abstract in total said "no measurable effect of organic foods shown except in in-vitro studies where positive effects were present". The poster, being an organic enthusiast proceeded to ignore the whole abstract except "positive effects were present" | ||
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Deja Thoris
South Africa646 Posts
I bought organic stuff from a farm collectve type thing in the UK that did boxes of what was fresh picked in the last few days. Although they touted the "organic" heavily the lack of a long supply chain meant the stuff arrived fresh. It was fucking delicious too, the difference was night and day compared to stuff you would buy out of a supermarket that had been shipped around the world 3 times while frozen. Some "organic" stuff is a farce but if you get the right stuff it tastes waaaaay better. The only way to convince people that think otherwise would be to get them to try it. Your tastebuds would have to be dead for you not to see a dramatic difference. On August 08 2011 18:00 Cold-Blood wrote: I whole-heartedly agree though that I can tell the difference as well. I am a runner and I normally have breathing problems/cramps on weeks where I eat foods considered 'bad or worse' for you as to when I eat more fruits and vegetable throughout the week I breathe better and cramp almost never. This doesn't really have anything to do with the organic or not debate. Most fruit and veg is farmed by non-organic means. It's really a case of good eating habits versus poorer ones. | ||
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Traeon
Austria366 Posts
On August 08 2011 18:45 Brotkrumen wrote: At last, the data on health benefits for organic food is mixed. Some organic foods do better, some worse, some nothing. Another post further up posted the abstract of a meta-study of organic foods. Funnily enough, the abstract in total said "no measurable effect of organic foods shown except in in-vitro studies where positive effects were present". The poster, being an organic enthusiast proceeded to ignore the whole abstract except "positive effects were present" I think you're the one ignoring the reduced occurrence of allergies in people eating organic foods. Also, positive effect on animal weight, growth, fertility and immune system with organic feeds. http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.njas.2011.01.004 These are readily explained by the reduced nitrate and pesticide content as well as the higher nutrient content that were also measured in organic foods. So we have a measured positive effect and a plausible explanation for it. I also dislike how you're belittling in-vitro studies as if they don't matter. In-vitro isn't the same as the real thing, but you can't just dismiss them outright without coming over as biased. They still have significance. | ||
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Cassel_Castle
United States820 Posts
On August 08 2011 17:39 lozarian wrote: "in europe they drink raw milk"? What the hell? I'm British, we don't have raw milk here. I have never ever seen raw milk on sale in a shop, and I'm a pretentious bastard who frequents the sort of shop that might have it. The French drink UHT for god's sake. You can barely call it milk, let alone raw milk. It also makes crap tea. The only time I've ever had anything approximating raw milk was a non pasteurised cheese in France, which from what I've read - is both legal and consumed if not often then moderately frequently in the US. You might have realized this by now but many Americans have a view of Europe as being a completely natural and pure and flawless socialist utopia. | ||
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Traeon
Austria366 Posts
Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_milk | ||
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johanngrunt
Hong Kong1555 Posts
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lozarian
United Kingdom1043 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:21 Cassel_Castle wrote: You might have realized this by now but many Americans have a view of Europe as being a completely natural and pure and flawless socialist utopia. Oh right, I totally forgot about that, the air up here in my 10th century castle is a bit rarified, it affects my memory. Anyway, I'm off to a tea party with the queen where I'll have scones with raw milk cream, then it's off to have a pint of warm ale with Hugh Grant whilst flagrantly disregarding my much needed dental work and trying to avoid the garlic and frogs legs than Jaques insists on eating every day. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4329 Posts
The goal of this exercise is to keep the monopoly of big agriculture operating , they need to shut down the burgeoning smaller organic operators to achieve this. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4329 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:25 Traeon wrote: According to the regulations in the European Union all raw milk products are "legal" and considered "safe for human consumption", and can be sold without any price, variety or quantity restrictions. However, the European countries are free to add certain requirements, usually special sanitary regulations and frequent quality tests (at least once per month) are mandatory. Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_milk Europe will probably ban raw milk soon , didn't they just ban herbal medicines recently? Madness. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10661 Posts
Organic food does not taste "better" than most "conventional" food. The diffrence is that people who buy "organic" actually tend to buy fresh stuff, not crap that has spent a good amount of it's live in some ship. Oh and then there is the psychological effect of something expensive being better... The strawberries from my garden are leaps and bounds better than the ones I can buy in a shop, no matter if organic/biological or not... The main diffrence is, that the ones from my garden are at most 1-2 days old when I eat them and did not travel from spain, south africa or wherever to my place. They are also "better" than the ones from local production, because even here they are most likely just "fresher". I've grown them "organic" and "conventional"... Conventional won, you get more strawberries, less insects... You just get a better "product". I've got tons of Veggies/Berries/Salads in my garden. Organic/Bio does nothing for the taste, more often than not you just have less to harvest and more insects with it... Naturally I'm not filling it up with hormones and truly "hard" stuff, but I wouldn't call the stuff I grow up Bio/Organic... | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4717 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:37 lozarian wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2011 19:21 Cassel_Castle wrote: You might have realized this by now but many Americans have a view of Europe as being a completely natural and pure and flawless socialist utopia. Oh right, I totally forgot about that, the air up here in my 10th century castle is a bit rarified, it affects my memory. Anyway, I'm off to a tea party with the queen where I'll have scones with raw milk cream, then it's off to have a pint of warm ale with Hugh Grant whilst flagrantly disregarding my much needed dental work and trying to avoid the garlic and frogs legs than Jaques insists on eating every day. Oh lozarian, that was refreshing  | ||
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bOne7
Romania85 Posts
Getting off-topic badly but come on .... Our grand-fathers drank raw milk and we're still here .... I guess it's not that dangerous .... Then again Monstanto's putting patents on pigs .... Ok guys ff | ||
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lozarian
United Kingdom1043 Posts
And had a 20 year lower life expectancy. Traditional =/= better. Whilst partially the unpasteurised stuff can be dangerous, there's a significant part of it that we will just feel ill if we drink it, because we're not used to it. Even unpasteurised cheese can make one feel a little queasy. | ||
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bOne7
Romania85 Posts
Life is simple , people complicate it to the point the general people will get confused which in fact we know the simplest way is the best way . Oh well ... I'm talking crap not FACTS Oh and by the way when I was a child i lived for about 12 years in a more rural area , every day I drank raw milk ... And hey look , I'm still here , I go to the physician and I'm still in a very good shape .... Or not .. my doctor is lying to me ... HOLY FUCK PEOPLE | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10661 Posts
On August 08 2011 21:35 bOne7 wrote: I was hate replying to your post lozarion but I guess hate+reason really won't prove anything . Go compare diet with other topics . OH WELL . I'm not saying traditional is better , but consider this .... are we living better now with 1 out of 2.7 people getting cancer ? IS IT THE DIET + ENVIRONMENT ? OK DON'T DRINK RAW MILK , IT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR 99 BILLION DEATHS , GO EAT ALL THE REGULATED FOOD TODAY WHICH WILL NOT MAKE 1 IN 2.7 PEOPLE GET CANCER . Life is simple , people complicate it to the point the general people will get confused which in fact we know the simplest way is the best way . Oh well ... I'm talking crap not FACTS Omg... Your writing such utter bullshit that it hurts to read it... You know why cancer rates are higher nowadays? People get older, sooner or later you just die to something... Add into this that we actually "find" cancer nowadays and people don't just die "after sudden serious illness". To make your argument even better... Ever heard of "the pest" which emptied half of europe due to people doing stuff "the simple way?"... | ||
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